I'd imagine Joker tossing the Calling Card at Giorno and he uses Gold Experience to turn it into a butterfly and letting it fly away to start the fight.
Nah, then the butterfly flies over to Joker, confused by this ability, he slaps the Butterfly, however, the damage sends him right into the ground, THEN it starts, I think it's a good way to represent the fact that if you attack one of Giornos' creations, the damage is done on you.
I really liked the focus on the more rock/orchestral (or at least from what I can hear) approach to the music to symbolize both Joker and Giorno's songs from their respective parts. Also like how you used the Victory theme at the end to basically say Joker won the battle, which is very nice. 9/10.
@@strixtech450 first of all ger’s stats say “none” on them and even then joker has stats on a 5D scale, unless you can prove to me ger having stats “irrelevant” stats as you scales him above high uni joker can one shot him. On top of that joker can resist RTZ too.
Is it wrong if I think that Joker says something regarding Diavolo like, "The devil you fought was a faker. Prepare to die to the hands of the actual devil, Satanael!" or something like that?
Nah man before he says that Giorno should say “W-what is this power....that stand....” while Joker says “This is a persona...this is a power of free will and chaos bestowed to the people under the influence of your mafia...now...Pillage him...SATANAEL!!!”
2:07 I imagine just Giorno being seriously wounded by satanael, and saying while coughing blood. "I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!" As golden experience transforms into GER, and than nulifys all Jokers progress. Than battle continues, and anyone can win this
My money is on Joker. He has a obvious stat advantage and has plenty of Personas to counter Giorno’s hax. As for Requiem, while it’s true it can basically *No* anything, so can Joker with Satinel (did I spell that correctly?) Anyways, this is a great improvement over the already amazing original. It sounds a lot more up beat, and the climax feels more, well, climactic. Edit: ok now that I’ve listened more I can make a better judgement. I feel the reason the ending is more climatic is due to the addition of the guitar. My only complaint is that the move into the ending notes isn’t smooth enough. But besides that, I’d say this is better than the wide majority of Official Death Battle tracks. The only official tracks I like more are dangerous gaze and mighty. You heard me people, I like this more than Emerald Heros. Amazing song, 9.9 out of ten.
Elizabeth McAden Apparently, but realistically it would just end in a loop, not a win if Giorno used Requeim’s *How about no?* technique. So if you can get somebody who can also do that, it’s fair game.
Elizabeth McAden that’s the thing. If it’s not looping, Joker wins. Joker will win the majority of loops due to better stats and hax. Who knows, maybe at one point someone can undo a undo and end the cycle (most likely Joker would do this first).
From what I know, Joker takes the win here. Maybe Giorno could avoid death with GER, resulting in an endless standstill, but Death Battles only end in draws in joke fights, so there has to be a winner, and Joker just has a distinct advantage by those rules.
you know that there's a chance they might use "videogame" giorno meaning that he can do the "reset to zero" to ANYTHING, to the point where giorno honestly tried to detransform above heaven dio into dio
@@ultimatehope8069 then i still see giorno winning taking into account that we dont know if he needs to either kill or touch the opponent to send them to the deathloop, also the fact giorno either speedblitz or just says no to anything (infinite speed or automatic)
As someone who's become vaguely familiar with both franchises since my last comment on the first version of this, You knocked this out of the park, man! I was so hyped to see that you helped Yates out on a commissioned tracked, btw. Now, actually looking at these two, I want to bring up how completely unbalanced this fight really is. Like, there's far better opponents for both of them that better match their power. I think it's important to consider that canonically Joker uses Persona from every single arcana, meaning he'd have access to any Persona he uses in Persona 5, which means he could pull out one that protects him from physical damage fairly easily. However, if we assume that swapping Persona acts like it does in the games, he can't do this often. There's a cooldown that takes place, represented in the game as a turn. I'm not sure how you'd translate this game mechanic to Giorno, but the most realistic solution is to say that Gold Experience isn't a Persona, so it wouldn't have the kinds of damage resistance or vulnerabilities that Personas do. That being said, Joker would need to have a Persona that can not only actually hurt GE but also protect him from physical damage. HOWEVER, this versatility doesn't mean much since the feats of Joker's Personas are nowhere *near* what GE is capable of in its base form. Sure, Joker goes up against some tough opponents in his own universe, but Jojo's power creep outclasses Persona's by a mile. Now, let's talk Gold Experience Requiem. Is it present for this fight? Can Giorno use it? Well, no answer is ever given as to if Requiem stands are permanent. There's evidence both ways. Silver Chariot Requiem persisted beyond its owner's death, but the stand arrow fell out of GER's head at the end of Part 5. I think, based on how Death Battle considered info, they'd rule that Requiem stands can be resummoned by reinserting an arrow into them, which is how Girono summons GER in the video games. It's the best evidence we've got. Diving into fan theory, Requiem stands are created based on a stand owner's desire. I.E, they get a power that's shaped to a problem their owner needs to solve at the moment. So, it's reasonable to assume that Requiem stands to go away once the problem is solved. Silver Charitot requiem never goes away because its owner dies before it can complete the task its requiem form was awoken to do. Going off this reasoning, GER could be reawoken, but it'd have a different unique ability to help Girono specifically against Joker. Using either form of reasoning, Giorno has a hard counter to Joker. Omitting GER, Gold Experience still outclasses Joker's Persona's feats by a mile. There's no world where Joker isn't turned to mush by Giorno. It's nowhere near a fair fight. Thematically, these two work great for a Death Battle. When you actually compare their strengths, it's pretty clear why DB hasn't done this yet. It'd be a disgusting stomp.
You're forgetting one thing - Joker himself outclasses Giorno. One of the big limiting factors in Jojo is a stand's range, and a user's ability to move in order to keep an enemy within that range. Not only can Joker move four, maybe five times better than Giorno in all directions, but he can jump between shadows as a free action with no cooldown. He's also got way more ranged attacks and a stunning amount of variety. GE can be used in a lot of different ways, but Joker has over a hundred different moves and skills, including Debilitate and Tarunda - GE is a C-strength Stand. Any physical debuff will make its fists, it's primary method of dealing damage, highly ineffective. He's also got several personas that are just immune to physical damage - GE's primary method of attack. He'd have to use GE's damage transference to get any damage in, or somehow get joker to switch to a weaker persona.
TheSapphireDarkrai907 satanael makes joker invincible, and has resistances and even nulls most magic elements in the game. joker is also able change fate, and kill gods.
-Battle of the Thieves! (Passione vs Phantom thieves) -Battle of the stylish -Battle of the memes (I had a dream vs He wields a gun) Battle of the Op's (GER vs Sataniel)
@@agentglowstick8704 well of Giorno starts the fight with GER than that's a more fair match because if Giorno stabs Gold experience mid fight then GER will have counters to everything Joker can do which makes things completely unfair for Joker giving Giorno the win. But the chances of that happening is so low and Joker still wins because of better hacks and stats
Star Zero If Giorno starts with GER, it’s unfair for Joker. If Giorno doesn’t start with GER, it’s unfair for Giorno. Joker’s hax and stats and great, but he has no way to win once GER is activated.
@@agentglowstick8704 I think Sataniel can probably defend Joker from GER's attacks but I'm constantly debating with myself if that's true. Personally I don't like This matchup because no matter what you do it's gonna be unfair for both of them.
*giorno is getting his ass handed to him by satanael* Giorno:he's unbeatable, but...(pulls out the requiem arrow) he wasn't always... *giorno stabs himself with arrow* Giorno:GOLD EXPERIENCE.... REQUIEM!!!!
2:07 Joker : It's Over..!, What!? (Reverse) Giorno : This is the power of Gold Experience Requiem... Joker : WHA- WHA- WHA- WHA- WHA-!? (Turn around) 2:35 Giorno : MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDAAAAA!!! Joker : Aghhhh!!
I don't know much about Persona but I'm quite confident that Joker takes the win, sure Golden Experience Requiem is OP as hell but so is Santanael which, from what I have heard, also has the ability to say no to damage. From there it comes down to raw strength, durability and speed which unfortunately, our aspiring Gang - Star falls short on when taking on Joker.
@@bigpapa9458 I don't know much about Satanael or Persona to be fair but if that's the case, then Giorno easily. He can just send Joker to the infinite death zone if he really wanted to. Although without requiem Joker wins but if this fight happens, requiem will definitely be included.
@@bigpapa9458 I feel like they should because sure stands are summoned by arrows and Persona's are summoned when you awaken them but I think they should because they are still a manifestation of the user so I feel like they should see each other even though Personas can be seen by normal people and some stands can be seen by normal people but most of them can only be seen by stand users
Giorno wins, but not specifically because GER is THAT busted. The only ways to make this fight remotely fair is to either a) give real world joker his Personas but no Mementos feats (since he's not in Mementos) or b) put Giorno in Mementos since that's the only place where Joker can canonically summon Personas. If the route is B then Giorno gets massive buffs because his will power is converted to physical power which puts him on par, if not higher, than Joker's Mementos abilities. The only way Joker wins if they give him Mementos feats but leave Giorno how he is and even then his resistance to GER probably isn't enough since it could prevent fated events from happening
Joker's ability DOES work outside of the Metaverse, the previous entries of the persona series make it clear that it depends on the power of the user, Naoya, the weakest persona protagonist so far can use his persona in the human world. Joker's hax >Ger's since Joker can't be effected by time and space, therefore, Ger's Hax is completely worthless.
@@jackour8167 but GER has nothing to do with time and space, it's just that " a reality where GER loses will never happen " , it basically messes with causality where it removes the result of Joker's actions, you can imagine any kind of ability, but it will not work as long as it's in the format of action --> result.
This would be quite an interesting battle, barring Requiem of course. Does Giorno keep it after defeating Diavolo, though? Because if I recall, the Requiem Arrow's effects depends on the user's circumstances, so this would be hazy at best.
@Christian Rho In this case, it's quite nebulous, since Turtle!Polnareff would still count as outside help if that's where it is. In any case, if Giorno has access to GER, then it's no contest. If he doesn't, then it's actually fair.
Leirbag15 Even if he does have it, does GER basically send you to another dimension of death loops? Can’t Joker literally break through dimensions/survive dimensional collapse like he did with the entire metaverse?
@@RoyalT115 The problem with GER is that its power is literally to nullify its opponent's progress. Yes, it's busted as fuck, and completely unfair. If Joker has something that can somehow counter that, then both ultimate Stand/Personna should be banned from the fight.
Leirbag15 The problem is Joker’s speed is infinitely greater than Giorno’s. If Joker can summon Satanael before GE becomes GER, and since Satanael also basically just says no to everything, it really is a stalemate
Hard call in an actual match, but I think Joker could POSSIBLY win. Giorno’s only chance of actual being able to defeat Joker would be Golden Experience Requiem’s return to zero. But the primary question is if it would work on Joker in the first place. Aside from that, Joker’s stats, versatility of abilities, and nullifications would very likely come on top against base Golden Experience no problem, especially by end game.
As much as I like Joker, he doesn’t win this fight. The only way you can stretch it and make him win would be to wank every persona character to outerversal which is inconsistent through the story. So sadly Joker will probably “Experience” every Death imaginable while Giorno takes the “Gold”………………..”requiem”
@@jackour8167 Dude don’t even start this conversation. I have a crap load of statements and evidence to Prove that persona is not outer and even SMT. I’ll give you one to wet your appetite to see if you are capable of debunking me. Morgana states that if mementos disappeared then cognition would lose substance. His wording implies that the cognitive world is in fact a physical world that normal 3D humans can explore and interact with. That’s what substance means. I have tons of more arguments. More than just “Oh well one character had a vague statement stating that he was beyond dimensions”. I can prove that SMT and Persona are consistently 3D
@@zachspool then you're a downplayer, not worth it at all. Nothing you said proves they're below Outereversal, and if anything, you've never played the games nor have you read the novels, and I highly doubt you even know anything about smt. Because if you did, you'd know the verse has platonic concepts and conceptual transcendences. Nothing is vague in smt since everything is based on the human belief, and most people who make statements are humans.
@@zachspool anyway, to debunk your "argument" It really doesn't matter, that simply means the substance inside it is abstract. Doesn't make sense does it now? Well too bad, it won't make sense if it doesn't have to.
@@zachspool and even without the platonic and conceptual transcendences, megaten is far, FAR beyond 3D. The human world is already 5D, beyond EVERYTHING in Jojo. So don't try and play the smarta$$ role.
if giorno catches joker in a vine of plants or inside a tree? Giorno would make a bunch (or an infinity)of wild animals (golden experience has a limit?) And thats with out ger
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I'd imagine Joker tossing the Calling Card at Giorno and he uses Gold Experience to turn it into a butterfly and letting it fly away to start the fight.
Nah, then the butterfly flies over to Joker, confused by this ability, he slaps the Butterfly, however, the damage sends him right into the ground, THEN it starts, I think it's a good way to represent the fact that if you attack one of Giornos' creations, the damage is done on you.
Joker: we'll reach out for the truth!
GER: you'll never reach the truth.
Thats more pf Yu, but u have the spirit
Too bad Ger's Hax is garbage compared to Joker's
I really liked the focus on the more rock/orchestral (or at least from what I can hear) approach to the music to symbolize both Joker and Giorno's songs from their respective parts. Also like how you used the Victory theme at the end to basically say Joker won the battle, which is very nice. 9/10.
how the hell would Joker win the battle
@@strixtech450 via being able to resist/nullify ger.
@@Flap_jacks69 all GER stats are "irrelevant", so basically having durability is useless
@@strixtech450 first of all ger’s stats say “none” on them and even then joker has stats on a 5D scale, unless you can prove to me ger having stats “irrelevant” stats as you scales him above high uni joker can one shot him. On top of that joker can resist RTZ too.
@@Flap_jacks69 there's no such thing as "5D", the number of dimensions isn't power scaling, there are only four width, height length and time
Giorno Giovanna got a calling card from the Phantom Thieves. He founds Joker and the battle starts.
Phantom thieves must have just assumed that all mafia bosses are evil, and need change of hearts
Looks like Joker robbed GioGio in this Golden Experience
The winner Is Joker
Or:
Joker could only dream of beating Giorno
The winner is Giorno Giovanna
this really sound like a deathbattle music
Is it wrong if I think that Joker says something regarding Diavolo like, "The devil you fought was a faker. Prepare to die to the hands of the actual devil, Satanael!" or something like that?
Nah its just badass
Nah man before he says that Giorno should say “W-what is this power....that stand....” while Joker says “This is a persona...this is a power of free will and chaos bestowed to the people under the influence of your mafia...now...Pillage him...SATANAEL!!!”
@@no_0riginality937 Sure, Passione did some awful things in the past. But Giorno strived to reform it for the better.
@@nerbstudios9680 exactly, joker might not know that
2:07
I imagine just Giorno being seriously wounded by satanael, and saying while coughing blood.
"I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!"
As golden experience transforms into GER, and than nulifys all Jokers progress. Than battle continues, and anyone can win this
That's blooming villain that's playing meaning that's Jokers moment
@@Joltscene please leave comment with opinion in other place
@@ДегдарТуменбаев it’s not even an opinion
@@Joltscene it is. Its your opinion that joker is a hero and giorno is a villain
@@ДегдарТуменбаев Pretty sure that’s just the name for the track playing dude
Heh, this would be a good April FOOL'S battle.
"If The Golden Fool is so good why isn't there a The Golden Fool tw-"
Now
Super sons
Ben T. / TehGM !
My money is on Joker. He has a obvious stat advantage and has plenty of Personas to counter Giorno’s hax. As for Requiem, while it’s true it can basically *No* anything, so can Joker with Satinel (did I spell that correctly?)
Anyways, this is a great improvement over the already amazing original. It sounds a lot more up beat, and the climax feels more, well, climactic.
Edit: ok now that I’ve listened more I can make a better judgement. I feel the reason the ending is more climatic is due to the addition of the guitar. My only complaint is that the move into the ending notes isn’t smooth enough. But besides that, I’d say this is better than the wide majority of Official Death Battle tracks. The only official tracks I like more are dangerous gaze and mighty. You heard me people, I like this more than Emerald Heros. Amazing song, 9.9 out of ten.
Its satenael and you just describe why my vote is on Joker as well.
Satanael.
Divine Pillar.
Firm Stance.
Joker's untouchable.
LoliceChief ok thanks.
Elizabeth McAden Apparently, but realistically it would just end in a loop, not a win if Giorno used Requeim’s *How about no?* technique. So if you can get somebody who can also do that, it’s fair game.
Elizabeth McAden that’s the thing. If it’s not looping, Joker wins. Joker will win the majority of loops due to better stats and hax. Who knows, maybe at one point someone can undo a undo and end the cycle (most likely Joker would do this first).
this is a lot more up beat than the previous one
From what I know, Joker takes the win here.
Maybe Giorno could avoid death with GER, resulting in an endless standstill, but Death Battles only end in draws in joke fights, so there has to be a winner, and Joker just has a distinct advantage by those rules.
you know that there's a chance they might use "videogame" giorno meaning that he can do the "reset to zero" to ANYTHING, to the point where giorno honestly tried to detransform above heaven dio into dio
@@alfonsogarcia767 I didn't even know that was a thing.
@@Giant_SewerRat its is, i think the name was "eyes of heven" also, if i remember right G E R was "infinite" speed levels or even automatic
@@alfonsogarcia767 except the video games aren't canon. They'd use Manga Giorno as that's the Canon material.
@@ultimatehope8069 then i still see giorno winning taking into account that we dont know if he needs to either kill or touch the opponent to send them to the deathloop, also the fact giorno either speedblitz or just says no to anything (infinite speed or automatic)
Ooh, Life Will Change was added
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Haha yea
Request from a commissioner
@@SkyeHilda22
I think it's a great touch.
Where at
@@Joltscene
2:30 ish
(Edit:) giving myself a pat on the back, that was spot on.)
Gabriel Gaster wow, right on!
As someone who's become vaguely familiar with both franchises since my last comment on the first version of this,
You knocked this out of the park, man! I was so hyped to see that you helped Yates out on a commissioned tracked, btw.
Now, actually looking at these two, I want to bring up how completely unbalanced this fight really is. Like, there's far better opponents for both of them that better match their power.
I think it's important to consider that canonically Joker uses Persona from every single arcana, meaning he'd have access to any Persona he uses in Persona 5, which means he could pull out one that protects him from physical damage fairly easily. However, if we assume that swapping Persona acts like it does in the games, he can't do this often. There's a cooldown that takes place, represented in the game as a turn. I'm not sure how you'd translate this game mechanic to Giorno, but the most realistic solution is to say that Gold Experience isn't a Persona, so it wouldn't have the kinds of damage resistance or vulnerabilities that Personas do. That being said, Joker would need to have a Persona that can not only actually hurt GE but also protect him from physical damage.
HOWEVER, this versatility doesn't mean much since the feats of Joker's Personas are nowhere *near* what GE is capable of in its base form. Sure, Joker goes up against some tough opponents in his own universe, but Jojo's power creep outclasses Persona's by a mile.
Now, let's talk Gold Experience Requiem. Is it present for this fight? Can Giorno use it? Well, no answer is ever given as to if Requiem stands are permanent. There's evidence both ways. Silver Chariot Requiem persisted beyond its owner's death, but the stand arrow fell out of GER's head at the end of Part 5. I think, based on how Death Battle considered info, they'd rule that Requiem stands can be resummoned by reinserting an arrow into them, which is how Girono summons GER in the video games. It's the best evidence we've got.
Diving into fan theory, Requiem stands are created based on a stand owner's desire. I.E, they get a power that's shaped to a problem their owner needs to solve at the moment. So, it's reasonable to assume that Requiem stands to go away once the problem is solved. Silver Charitot requiem never goes away because its owner dies before it can complete the task its requiem form was awoken to do. Going off this reasoning, GER could be reawoken, but it'd have a different unique ability to help Girono specifically against Joker.
Using either form of reasoning, Giorno has a hard counter to Joker. Omitting GER, Gold Experience still outclasses Joker's Persona's feats by a mile. There's no world where Joker isn't turned to mush by Giorno. It's nowhere near a fair fight.
Thematically, these two work great for a Death Battle. When you actually compare their strengths, it's pretty clear why DB hasn't done this yet. It'd be a disgusting stomp.
You're forgetting one thing - Joker himself outclasses Giorno. One of the big limiting factors in Jojo is a stand's range, and a user's ability to move in order to keep an enemy within that range. Not only can Joker move four, maybe five times better than Giorno in all directions, but he can jump between shadows as a free action with no cooldown. He's also got way more ranged attacks and a stunning amount of variety. GE can be used in a lot of different ways, but Joker has over a hundred different moves and skills, including Debilitate and Tarunda - GE is a C-strength Stand. Any physical debuff will make its fists, it's primary method of dealing damage, highly ineffective. He's also got several personas that are just immune to physical damage - GE's primary method of attack. He'd have to use GE's damage transference to get any damage in, or somehow get joker to switch to a weaker persona.
I love this matchup.
This matchup is extremely close. Both characters can counter the other
Joker has more counters overall
Honestly I’m curious about that...Does Joker’s Satanael have what it takes to take on a reality bender of GER?
Without GER I think Joker would win but GER is basically his end
TheSapphireDarkrai907 satanael makes joker invincible, and has resistances and even nulls most magic elements in the game. joker is also able change fate, and kill gods.
*M E G I D O L A O N*
This fight would be a GOLDEN EXPERIENCE. If you couldn't tell, I was JoJOKING.
JOKER FOR THE WIN
-Battle of the Thieves!
(Passione vs Phantom thieves)
-Battle of the stylish
-Battle of the memes
(I had a dream vs He wields a gun)
Battle of the Op's
(GER vs Sataniel)
Comes down to whether Joker can beat GER and his ability to just say no to anything. If he can, then Joker has a massive stat advantage.
I think there equal in that regard
Joker can’t beat GER, but if Giorno starts the fight with GE instead of GER, Joker blitzes and one shots.
@@agentglowstick8704 well of Giorno starts the fight with GER than that's a more fair match because if Giorno stabs Gold experience mid fight then GER will have counters to everything Joker can do which makes things completely unfair for Joker giving Giorno the win. But the chances of that happening is so low and Joker still wins because of better hacks and stats
Star Zero If Giorno starts with GER, it’s unfair for Joker. If Giorno doesn’t start with GER, it’s unfair for Giorno. Joker’s hax and stats and great, but he has no way to win once GER is activated.
@@agentglowstick8704 I think Sataniel can probably defend Joker from GER's attacks but I'm constantly debating with myself if that's true. Personally I don't like This matchup because no matter what you do it's gonna be unfair for both of them.
*giorno is getting his ass handed to him by satanael*
Giorno:he's unbeatable, but...(pulls out the requiem arrow) he wasn't always...
*giorno stabs himself with arrow*
Giorno:GOLD EXPERIENCE.... REQUIEM!!!!
What if you wanted to go to heaven
but god said:
Gold Experience Requiem!!!!!
But you said: Sataneal!
But what happens if some sneakyboi said:
S A T A N A E L!
But then god putted you in an infinite death loop.
@@Manuel-tb3ew I mean, Satan is still theoretically weaker than god, but I love persona 5 so much that I dont actually care
@@melindabolding5601 joker has the literal plot armor to escape any reality warping illusion
I really like the title cause whoever loses will without a doubt become a golden fool
Joker FTW
I'd love to watch this fight, kinda wanna animate it
Giorno got some buffs so he probably wins now
2:07
Joker : It's Over..!, What!? (Reverse)
Giorno : This is the power of Gold Experience Requiem...
Joker : WHA- WHA- WHA- WHA- WHA-!? (Turn around)
2:35
Giorno : MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDAAAAA!!!
Joker : Aghhhh!!
The problem with this is...
That guitar in the background for the final phase of the fight is playing a Persona theme.
But that's persona music. Giorno only wins if his theme plays like In JoJo. But Since Joker themes played he won
Satanael says “no”
@@phantomgeminithief
Giorno and GER: What?
@@MarioPerez-id8mg now he lose
Amazing!
*yes*
I don't know much about Persona but I'm quite confident that Joker takes the win, sure Golden Experience Requiem is OP as hell but so is Santanael which, from what I have heard, also has the ability to say no to damage. From there it comes down to raw strength, durability and speed which unfortunately, our aspiring Gang - Star falls short on when taking on Joker.
@@bigpapa9458 I don't know much about Satanael or Persona to be fair but if that's the case, then Giorno easily. He can just send Joker to the infinite death zone if he really wanted to. Although without requiem Joker wins but if this fight happens, requiem will definitely be included.
@@bigpapa9458 I feel like they should because sure stands are summoned by arrows and Persona's are summoned when you awaken them but I think they should because they are still a manifestation of the user so I feel like they should see each other even though Personas can be seen by normal people and some stands can be seen by normal people but most of them can only be seen by stand users
This is Golden Food Requiem.
Now look
Joker has Arsene's alt formon the thumbnail and Giorno has GER also so yeah
so yeah depends
Giorno wins, but not specifically because GER is THAT busted. The only ways to make this fight remotely fair is to either a) give real world joker his Personas but no Mementos feats (since he's not in Mementos) or b) put Giorno in Mementos since that's the only place where Joker can canonically summon Personas. If the route is B then Giorno gets massive buffs because his will power is converted to physical power which puts him on par, if not higher, than Joker's Mementos abilities. The only way Joker wins if they give him Mementos feats but leave Giorno how he is and even then his resistance to GER probably isn't enough since it could prevent fated events from happening
They take everyone at peak levels, meaning Joker with end-game AND Mementos feats
Joker's ability DOES work outside of the Metaverse, the previous entries of the persona series make it clear that it depends on the power of the user, Naoya, the weakest persona protagonist so far can use his persona in the human world.
Joker's hax >Ger's since Joker can't be effected by time and space, therefore, Ger's Hax is completely worthless.
@@jackour8167 but GER has nothing to do with time and space, it's just that " a reality where GER loses will never happen " , it basically messes with causality where it removes the result of Joker's actions, you can imagine any kind of ability, but it will not work as long as it's in the format of action --> result.
@@strixtech450 being outside time and space means you have Acausality. Hence, cause and effect minpulation won't work.
C'mon man, hit 1000!
Giorno FTW
Would you care to say that again
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This would be quite an interesting battle, barring Requiem of course. Does Giorno keep it after defeating Diavolo, though? Because if I recall, the Requiem Arrow's effects depends on the user's circumstances, so this would be hazy at best.
@Christian Rho In this case, it's quite nebulous, since Turtle!Polnareff would still count as outside help if that's where it is.
In any case, if Giorno has access to GER, then it's no contest. If he doesn't, then it's actually fair.
Leirbag15 Even if he does have it, does GER basically send you to another dimension of death loops? Can’t Joker literally break through dimensions/survive dimensional collapse like he did with the entire metaverse?
Stealth Idk if it’s classified under any type of actual attack on said person, Satanael nullifies any of that
@@RoyalT115 The problem with GER is that its power is literally to nullify its opponent's progress.
Yes, it's busted as fuck, and completely unfair.
If Joker has something that can somehow counter that, then both ultimate Stand/Personna should be banned from the fight.
Leirbag15 The problem is Joker’s speed is infinitely greater than Giorno’s. If Joker can summon Satanael before GE becomes GER, and since Satanael also basically just says no to everything, it really is a stalemate
Hard call in an actual match, but I think Joker could POSSIBLY win. Giorno’s only chance of actual being able to defeat Joker would be Golden Experience Requiem’s return to zero. But the primary question is if it would work on Joker in the first place. Aside from that, Joker’s stats, versatility of abilities, and nullifications would very likely come on top against base Golden Experience no problem, especially by end game.
As much as I like Joker, he doesn’t win this fight. The only way you can stretch it and make him win would be to wank every persona character to outerversal which is inconsistent through the story. So sadly Joker will probably “Experience” every Death imaginable while Giorno takes the “Gold”………………..”requiem”
Imagine Thinking outer persona is inconsistent lol
There guys are part of smt, a default Outereversal feat lol.
@@jackour8167 Dude don’t even start this conversation. I have a crap load of statements and evidence to Prove that persona is not outer and even SMT. I’ll give you one to wet your appetite to see if you are capable of debunking me.
Morgana states that if mementos disappeared then cognition would lose substance. His wording implies that the cognitive world is in fact a physical world that normal 3D humans can explore and interact with. That’s what substance means.
I have tons of more arguments. More than just “Oh well one character had a vague statement stating that he was beyond dimensions”. I can prove that SMT and Persona are consistently 3D
@@zachspool then you're a downplayer, not worth it at all.
Nothing you said proves they're below Outereversal, and if anything, you've never played the games nor have you read the novels, and I highly doubt you even know anything about smt. Because if you did, you'd know the verse has platonic concepts and conceptual transcendences.
Nothing is vague in smt since everything is based on the human belief, and most people who make statements are humans.
@@zachspool anyway, to debunk your "argument"
It really doesn't matter, that simply means the substance inside it is abstract.
Doesn't make sense does it now? Well too bad, it won't make sense if it doesn't have to.
@@zachspool and even without the platonic and conceptual transcendences, megaten is far, FAR beyond 3D. The human world is already 5D, beyond EVERYTHING in Jojo. So don't try and play the smarta$$ role.
what if giorno uses an armor made of frogs(jojoke)
all attacks go back to joker
Maybe joker could make Pixie imitate a fly and attract the frogs away from Giorno? Lol
Joker will only fall for that once
@@Joltscene tell that to the frogs
if giorno catches joker in a vine of plants or inside a tree?
Giorno would make a bunch (or an infinity)of wild animals (golden experience has a limit?)
And thats with out ger
@@Joltscene and it depends on how powerful joker attack is
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I prefer Giorno vs Twilight and Giorno vs Shulk. Its just my opinion
Pew haha I win
Giorno stomps I don't care what Joker fans say
And I hate Jjba community bc of u ppl