@@johnlober2947 agreed DeNiro is not the great actor everyone is brainwashed into believing. was he good in goodfellas yes was he good in Cape Fear yes, but come on DeNiro just acts like DeNiro in most of his films which he did in this Film!
We Americans only care about anything having to do with Canada when it’s a hilarious train wreck... like Bob Ford, Trudeau, or the amusing fact your largest heist was maple syrup
@@lynnross3390 he’s more interested in ripping off better filmmakers. A friend of mine was in the art dept of his shitty space movie. The only direction he gave them was, “make it look like 2001”
After watching this film the other day and still loving it, an accurate telling of Ness' life would be great to show his rise as he brought down Capone and downfall to poverty and alcoholism.
There was an episode from unsolved mysteries where Elliot Ness solved the Black Dahlia case but did not have enough evidence to lock up the guy. Robert Stack introdced the segment saying that "from I man a knew well, Elliot Ness".
I did read in a book about Capone years ago that he was known to invite people to dinner before killing them. To set them at ease before executing them.
4:46 That picture of the guy with the sign on the back of his car sums up how much a massive failure prohibition truly was. Even if the movie is mostly fictional it's still my favorite gangster film.
The Untouchables is by far one of my favorites by De Palma. If anything, it’s memorable for THAT SCENE. Anyone who’s seen the film will know what I’m talking about.
@@wedgeantilles4712 the first Mission Impossible is fantastic. I rank De Palma similarly to Michael Mann. They’re both masterful at keeping the plot tight. Mann is the king of action scenes though
One thing I've learned about films based on real people who do great things, they can't be liked by those around them and must be treated as an outcast.
It’s part of our individualist philosophy. We assume great people are ahead of the curve always and by extension disliked by others because they can’t see the puzzle pieces fit together. It’s also the plot to just about every musical biopic churned out the last few decades
'The Untouchables' was intended as entertainment first and particularly old-fashioned entertainment. I appreciate the true background information, but the film was always about a modernised old Hollywood style of story telling.
Based on those factual errors, I think that's why some people refer to this movie as an adaptation of the 50s tv-show rather than a legitimate historical drama.
Yea,I read that many years ago and yep,true.From whatI read,Ness was really upset and was really a broken man after that.Now,to his credit,tracking serial killers,took police/FBI and other foreign police/governments years to catch serial killers.
It was Cleveland, but the killer was known in the media as the 'Butcher of Kingsbury Run'. The murders took place in the mid 1930's. They were called the Cleveland Torso Murders. The 'Green River Killer' worked in the Seattle, Washington area in the early 1980's and turned out to be a truck painter by the name of Gary Ridgway who was caught in late November of 2001.
NItti actually committed suicide long after Capone went to prison. Capone died of syphilis but was released from prison first due to the illness. He was basically a simpleton at that point.
This film is typical of the Hollywood treatment. Sean Connery, got an Oscar as well. Billy Drago, Charles Martin Smith & Ennio Morricone were the best things in this.
“I want you to ruin my video with the most annoying backround music made of silly soundeffects mixed louder than my voice- so i can punch myself in the face with solami from a can..”
Bobby D replaced Bob Hoskins at the last moment. Bobby D had turned down the role a dozen times before taking it. Hoskins still got paid for the role he never gave. He later said "if anyone wants to pay me not to act, no problem"
great video! It bothers me when films that are based on a true story don't show what really happened. The movie could have been just as good if they did.
Probably very boring .If Hollywood wanted to make film about senseless violence with lots of shootings , then modern day Chicago and New York Black areas would fit the bill.
I would prefer if this video had focused more on what happened during the making of this film rather than fact vs fiction. Fact vs fiction should be a separate video all together in my opinion. I’d like to know more about how the movie was made, did the actors get along, where did they shoot the movie? Etc
Great movie. I never go to the movies for a history lesson. Amadeus is a great film, but its historical accuracy is sketchy at best. Another good story would be Ness's investigation of the Torso murders. It was one that he could not solve and some think it helped to ramp up his alcoholism.
@ 3:32 it was said that Ness' wife's name wasn't mentioned in the movie; but it was!! Elliott Ness' wife in the movie was named Katherine!! I can't see how that is missed, being that the scene where her name is loudly yelled out, was mentioned in this video @ 9:57. Just thought I'd point that out!!
I always figured this film was tapping into the TV series of the same name from the early '60s. Because of that show, Ness' overblown role in Capone's downfall was already part of American lore when the '87 film came out. So, I don't think we can be so harsh on film for severely veering from historical fact.
It may have been set in Prohibition, but this is a western. Ness forms a posse and goes riding against the outlaws, but he ends up breaking the law himself to get true justice. Classic
It's a great movie. But my heart still pains when Sean Connery's character dies . Never wanted to see his character to die as this might be his greatest supporting role ever.
Fincher could pull out an intriguing movie about accountants (he did magic already with The Social Network), make a new and more faithful take with him on board.
The fact that a Hollywood film be more fiction than fact, even when portraying historical events, is quite normal. If you want more fact than fiction, you should browse the ''Documentary'' section. And even then, I personally tend to doubt the accuracy of any historical document. Anyone who's ever played the ''Telephone Game'' should see what I mean.
One thing that.. comes too my mind, in that era, gansters/mafia had a code.. No innocent bystandards shall be hurt. If you did, you're gonna pay for it with your blood. Theres a story, with Capone paying the bill for a funeral for innocents getting hurt. So for having a small kids getting hurt.. would been a deathsentence on spot.
In this particular case, because history is pretty boring. Who wants to watch a movie about cops that go on raid after raid with little-to-no resistance and never a shot fired in either direction? Or about accountants diligently searching for handwriting samples to compare? Without the heaps of bullshit, there's just not much of a story there.
Looks like the TV show was more accurate than the movie. One thing that most don't realize is that Capone was only in his twenties when running the Chicago mob. He's always portrayed by some middle aged guy.
Jeez, even the original television show got that Nitti not only wasn't killed by Elliott Ness, he did an 18-month term (also for tax evasion) and took over Capone's gang once he got out, which he ran for another decade until he killed himself rather than go back into prison. (Remember those "union problems" Tom Hagan alluded to in the first GODFATHER movie? That was Nitti and the Chicago "Outfit" taking over the labor unions and extorting money from Hollywood.)
When I first saw this film I didn't even know it was based on fact, I just assumed it was made up. Largely it was made up? *shrugs* I don't care really, it's a brilliant film.
thanks for the video but peas consider calling this kind a 'the truth behind...' as opposed to a WTF. Usually there's a ton of documentaries about whatever inspires a film but precious little about the making of the film itself. Your WTF vids are great but this shouldn't be in the same category.
Agreed 100%! I was expecting a great insight as to how the film was made and what went on behind the scenes, but instead we got an episode of Fact vs Fiction. 🤷🏼♂️
Já comentei noutra caixa de comentários +ou- a minha visao geral deste filme magnifico de Brian de Palma! Quero só ressalvare destacar aqui: a magnifica interpretação de Robert de Niro k veste a pele de Al Capone! Pois Robert de Niro embora apareça neste filme com menos representação: é deveras um ator fascinante! Se reparar-mos de Niro engorda para para interpretar Al Capone! É pois um brilhante retrato do verdadeiro Capone! Já comentei e repito: o elenco espetacular dos atores hollywoodianos a brilhante realização dr Brian de palma e o nosso malogrado maestro Ennio Morricone k aproveito: para enviar as minhas sinceras condolências!a quem de direito de: Portugal o meu enorme obrigado!!🙏🙏🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Viva a 7 Arte!!
I saw it when it first came out and I was living in Chicago. I didn't know the history of what really happened, but I could just sense that a lot of those situations were exaggerated or just plain made up. Although entertaining, it never seemed realistic.
I read that Capone actually didn't murder any of his underlings with a baseball bat. He beat the the crap out of them and then let his goons shoot them to finish them off.
The historical inaccuracies don’t both me that much - its focus is the mythology of Ness not the biography. But SO many American movies use the current Maple leaf to indicate “Canada” but we didn’t adopt that symbol until 1965. The true story of Ness’s post-Chicago time hunting a serial killer in Cleveland has never made it to the movies.
I often find that the true story of events that are made into films is just as compelling as the fictional depictions that end up in the films which makes me wonder why they don't just tell the truth to begin with.🤔🧐🤥👎
They were going for a modern (80s) style in the vibe of a spaghetti western. At the time was a highly acclaimed soundtrack but it’s a little dated now.
Great film. Costner, Connery, Garcia and De Niro are brilliant in the film. Ennio Morricone’s score is fantastic
DeNero sucked
Yes, that score! I remember it took a couple of seconds of hearing the opening bars of the titles, to know this was going to be something special.
Mamet's script, Morricone's score, DePalma's Hitchcock style, Armani suits... lots of heavy hitters there.
How can you miss out Sean Connery's cameo
@@johnlober2947 agreed DeNiro is not the great actor everyone is brainwashed into believing. was he good in goodfellas yes was he good in Cape Fear yes, but come on DeNiro just acts like DeNiro in most of his films which he did in this Film!
One of the very few films I can watch over and over and never get sick of it. An absolute classic
4:28 - those crates bear a Canadian maple leaf that wasn't in existence until 1965.
We Americans only care about anything having to do with Canada when it’s a hilarious train wreck... like Bob Ford, Trudeau, or the amusing fact your largest heist was maple syrup
Now that’s interesting about the Maple Leaf. You would think DePalma would hv known better.
@@lynnross3390 he’s more interested in ripping off better filmmakers. A friend of mine was in the art dept of his shitty space movie. The only direction he gave them was, “make it look like 2001”
Yes but we Americans associate canada with that maple 🍁 lea
Well, as the video shows, the movie had very little relation to reality, USA or Canadian.
Today I learned that Al Capone was convicted and Thomas Edison died in his sleep at the same time, from that quick shot of the newspaper.
Very observant!! Wow
After watching this film the other day and still loving it, an accurate telling of Ness' life would be great to show his rise as he brought down Capone and downfall to poverty and alcoholism.
There was an episode from unsolved mysteries where Elliot Ness solved the Black Dahlia case but did not have enough evidence to lock up the guy. Robert Stack introdced the segment saying that "from I man a knew well, Elliot Ness".
one of the most epic 80's action movies.
love this movie. the casting, the script, the look, the sound, the music...everything.
I did read in a book about Capone years ago that he was known to invite people to dinner before killing them. To set them at ease before executing them.
Make sense
What, no desserts? Dah-uuuum!
@@56postoffice 😂😂😂
And he did that with enthusiasm .
, Enthusiasm , enthusiasm !!
Of all the crimes committed, Al Capone was guilty of tax evasion, and sentenced for a 11-year jail term.
4:46 That picture of the guy with the sign on the back of his car sums up how much a massive failure prohibition truly was.
Even if the movie is mostly fictional it's still my favorite gangster film.
JBV: Did Brian DePalma more accurately depict the battle for the soul of Chicago, or is his movie riddled with holes?
Me: Yes and yes.
The Untouchables is by far one of my favorites by De Palma. If anything, it’s memorable for THAT SCENE. Anyone who’s seen the film will know what I’m talking about.
Mission: Impossible is also a great De Palma film.
@@wedgeantilles4712 the first Mission Impossible is fantastic. I rank De Palma similarly to Michael Mann. They’re both masterful at keeping the plot tight. Mann is the king of action scenes though
No
you mean the scene where Frank Nitti takes a flying lesson?
Baseball bat ?
One thing I've learned about films based on real people who do great things, they can't be liked by those around them and must be treated as an outcast.
It’s part of our individualist philosophy. We assume great people are ahead of the curve always and by extension disliked by others because they can’t see the puzzle pieces fit together. It’s also the plot to just about every musical biopic churned out the last few decades
Love JoBlo videos. Good content to listen to while I remote work from home.
It may have been mostly fictional but it was a great movie
'The Untouchables' was intended as entertainment first and particularly old-fashioned entertainment. I appreciate the true background information, but the film was always about a modernised old Hollywood style of story telling.
I like how much fun you guys had with graphics/logos in this video!
Based on those factual errors, I think that's why some people refer to this movie as an adaptation of the 50s tv-show rather than a legitimate historical drama.
Awesome movie that, fantastic actors, lots of action and the music is absolutely amazing.
10 out of 10 for the Alcatraz edit at the end Joblo!! LOLs
This is NOT WTF happened. This IS fiction x reality
I know. I was expecting the behind the scene drama that came with the film
Indeed
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I agree.
Uhm, they never say "WTF happened to this Movie"?
What's wrong with you.
This is "WTF really happened to this Movie"
Elliot Ness was a brokenan after he failed to catch the Green River Killer in Cleveland.
Yea,I read that many years ago and yep,true.From whatI read,Ness was really upset and was really a broken man after that.Now,to his credit,tracking serial killers,took police/FBI and other foreign police/governments years to catch serial killers.
He turned out to be an alcoholic:(
It was Cleveland, but the killer was known in the media as the 'Butcher of Kingsbury Run'. The murders took place in the mid 1930's. They were called the Cleveland Torso Murders. The 'Green River Killer' worked in the Seattle, Washington area in the early 1980's and turned out to be a truck painter by the name of Gary Ridgway who was caught in late November of 2001.
@@lynnross3390 Yea,but after the murders...I uderstand why he became an alcoholic.
More Connery perfection! Thank you!
I've watched this film a few times and loved it. But I didn't remember how cool and stylish and good it was. I will watch it again
I always considered this a movie version of the TV series, not history.
NItti actually committed suicide long after Capone went to prison. Capone died of syphilis but was released from prison first due to the illness. He was basically a simpleton at that point.
This film is typical of the Hollywood treatment. Sean Connery, got an Oscar as well. Billy Drago, Charles Martin Smith & Ennio Morricone were the best things in this.
Come on he’s a star he shines in every scene.
@@dirgramsey6132 mate, Sean was just a working class Scotsman who had luck. Good on him, but not worthy of an Oscar
@@donaldduck7461 Hate to say, but I agree. I don't hate the guy, is that he's a Scotsman in all his films.
@@56postoffice Exactly & you get the likes of John Hurt who didn’t win an Oscar.
He (Sean Connery) did play an Irish man with a very convincing Scottish accent lol
One of my favorites when I was growing up in the 80's. Still solid.
I loved connery's gritty street attitude in this film. deserved an Oscar very much.
Imitators like History Buffs will never come close to you guys.
Great job on this one !👍
“I want you to ruin my video with the most annoying backround music made of silly soundeffects mixed louder than my voice- so i can punch myself in the face with solami from a can..”
I’ve already made a TH-cam video about Al Capone but your video has now inspired me to make one about The Untouchables 👍
Bobby D replaced Bob Hoskins at the last moment. Bobby D had turned down the role a dozen times before taking it. Hoskins still got paid for the role he never gave. He later said "if anyone wants to pay me not to act, no problem"
I should go watch this movie 🍿🎥 again. It's been FOREVER
Very good, thank you for the upload.
great video! It bothers me when films that are based on a true story don't show what really happened. The movie could have been just as good if they did.
Probably very boring .If Hollywood wanted to make film about senseless violence with lots of shootings , then modern day Chicago and New York Black areas would fit the bill.
A textbook example of brilliant adaption.
Another DePalma WTF happened: the Black Dahlia ( one of my all time favourite movies)
Very well done mate.
Odd that Capone (til Boardwalk Empire) is always played by older actors. By 1930, he was only 31. He only lived to 48
I would prefer if this video had focused more on what happened during the making of this film rather than fact vs fiction. Fact vs fiction should be a separate video all together in my opinion. I’d like to know more about how the movie was made, did the actors get along, where did they shoot the movie? Etc
There are very very few narrative movies based on true events that are 100% accurate. That’s why we have documentaries.
I agree, not a fan of this fact or fiction series
I don't care how in-factual it is - the film rocks!
excellent analysis - you should have far more views
WTF happened to HELLBOY (2019)?
Great movie. I never go to the movies for a history lesson. Amadeus is a great film, but its historical accuracy is sketchy at best. Another good story would be Ness's investigation of the Torso murders. It was one that he could not solve and some think it helped to ramp up his alcoholism.
@ 3:32 it was said that Ness' wife's name wasn't mentioned in the movie; but it was!! Elliott Ness' wife in the movie was named Katherine!! I can't see how that is missed, being that the scene where her name is loudly yelled out, was mentioned in this video @ 9:57. Just thought I'd point that out!!
Great content, even better music
Ya know the tv show? The dude who made it was friends with sonny capone. What a betrayal
Bob Hoskins *(RIP)* was offered the role of Al Capone even though Bob De Niro was already cast.
You can't decimate an entire store, decimation is the destruction of 10% only.
I read that Capone and Ness never actually met.
fucking love that, enemies never meeting in person.
Im actually surprised to hear there was truth behind the story. Its a great film. Great writing, directing and acting.
Really enjoyed this.
I always figured this film was tapping into the TV series of the same name from the early '60s. Because of that show, Ness' overblown role in Capone's downfall was already part of American lore when the '87 film came out. So, I don't think we can be so harsh on film for severely veering from historical fact.
It may have been set in Prohibition, but this is a western. Ness forms a posse and goes riding against the outlaws, but he ends up breaking the law himself to get true justice. Classic
Pure drama. Great Review!
It's a great movie. But my heart still pains when Sean Connery's character dies . Never wanted to see his character to die as this might be his greatest supporting role ever.
What are you prepared to do?!
@@stirgy4312 what are you trying to say?!
Really love this film,it aged well!
Could somebody please write what music plays since 09:57!
Yea it had a lot of mis facts .. unfortunately that unsolved murder case just did not help his career at the end.
The film is so great it doesn't matter if its fact or fiction.
I always knew this movie was completely inaccurate, but it cool as hell.
It wasn't a law, it was constitutional amendment that banned alcohol. That is a massive difference from what you said.
R.I.P to Billy Drago he is the best villain in movie cinema history, he always gave me chills...📌🙏
A majority of the movie is bull shit and made up, the movie is great and all but we need a proper remake thats more accurate
I preferred Making of the Mob
Speaking of Costner historical pics.....I'd love one of these for the film Thirteen Days
I heard Ness, unlike his movie counterpart, was damn-near an alcoholic himself.
He was a heavy drinker and if you don't know the difference between that and an alcoholic, I don't think any explanation will do.
@@wedgeantilles4712 when you flee the scene of an accident while driving drunk as Ness has, the distinction has little difference
though the film is wonderful but it plays fast and loose with the true story like the heroes of telmark
Please do WTF Really Happened to Dog Day Afternoon!
Attica that would be 😎 and funny
Fincher could pull out an intriguing movie about accountants (he did magic already with The Social Network), make a new and more faithful take with him on board.
Great video overall, but that song with the Clarinet throughout is so annoying... distracting even.
The fact that a Hollywood film be more fiction than fact, even when portraying historical events, is quite normal. If you want more fact than fiction, you should browse the ''Documentary'' section. And even then, I personally tend to doubt the accuracy of any historical document. Anyone who's ever played the ''Telephone Game'' should see what I mean.
It might be nice to do a bookend WTF Happened for the original TV series, and the syndicated one that came following this film.
Thanks.
where is the sound?
15:23 The real Franc Nitti kinda looks like Tim Roth.
Great Job. I would love to see WTF happen to Donnie Brasco Fact BS meter
Hey Joblo Videos for a future video please do a WTF happened to “Black Panther”
I think he already knows Wakanda isn't real.
One thing that.. comes too my mind, in that era, gansters/mafia had a code.. No innocent bystandards shall be hurt. If you did, you're gonna pay for it with your blood. Theres a story, with Capone paying the bill for a funeral for innocents getting hurt. So for having a small kids getting hurt.. would been a deathsentence on spot.
Temperance really caused a lot of lasting damage. Even today.
Why do Hollywood really screw up history???????
Mostly... Not all the time.
In this particular case, because history is pretty boring. Who wants to watch a movie about cops that go on raid after raid with little-to-no resistance and never a shot fired in either direction? Or about accountants diligently searching for handwriting samples to compare? Without the heaps of bullshit, there's just not much of a story there.
Like the old saying, "When it comes down to printing the truth or the legend, print the legend".
"Artistic license" is an old Hollywood tradition.
Why trust Hollywood just read books people😉
Looks like the TV show was more accurate than the movie. One thing that most don't realize is that Capone was only in his twenties when running the Chicago mob. He's always portrayed by some middle aged guy.
Hollywood 🤣
Its a stylish flick but the movie always made me laugh for some reason.
Fantastic Movie Great cast well Deserved Oscar for Sean Connery 10/10 ☆☆☆☆☆
excellent movie! 👍
Jeez, even the original television show got that Nitti not only wasn't killed by Elliott Ness, he did an 18-month term (also for tax evasion) and took over Capone's gang once he got out, which he ran for another decade until he killed himself rather than go back into prison. (Remember those "union problems" Tom Hagan alluded to in the first GODFATHER movie? That was Nitti and the Chicago "Outfit" taking over the labor unions and extorting money from Hollywood.)
When I first saw this film I didn't even know it was based on fact, I just assumed it was made up. Largely it was made up? *shrugs* I don't care really, it's a brilliant film.
Somehow, I don't think Brian De Palma ever claimed to be a Documentarian.
@@drdarkeny Hahahaha Dead right.
This movie is so much more like the TV show
Which one of the TV-shows are you refering to?.
thanks for the video but peas consider calling this kind a 'the truth behind...' as opposed to a WTF. Usually there's a ton of documentaries about whatever inspires a film but precious little about the making of the film itself. Your WTF vids are great but this shouldn't be in the same category.
Agreed 100%! I was expecting a great insight as to how the film was made and what went on behind the scenes, but instead we got an episode of Fact vs Fiction. 🤷🏼♂️
Read the description. This is a separate series, you just can't read
@@jamesduncan6729
Yup, that’s it, I can’t read. Dunno how I ever even read his comment to reply. It’s a goddamn miracle! 🤷🏼♂️😄😄😄
Já comentei noutra caixa de comentários +ou- a minha visao geral deste filme magnifico de Brian de Palma! Quero só ressalvare destacar aqui: a magnifica interpretação de Robert de Niro k veste a pele de Al Capone! Pois Robert de Niro embora apareça neste filme com menos representação: é deveras um ator fascinante! Se reparar-mos de Niro engorda para para interpretar Al Capone! É pois um brilhante retrato do verdadeiro Capone! Já comentei e repito: o elenco espetacular dos atores hollywoodianos a brilhante realização dr Brian de palma e o nosso malogrado maestro Ennio Morricone k aproveito: para enviar as minhas sinceras condolências!a quem de direito de: Portugal o meu enorme obrigado!!🙏🙏🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Viva a 7 Arte!!
How do you know if a movie is fake ?
It starts with (based on a true story)
I saw it when it first came out and I was living in Chicago. I didn't know the history of what really happened, but I could just sense that a lot of those situations were exaggerated or just plain made up. Although entertaining, it never seemed realistic.
Has Joblo covered Frost/Nixon?
I guess Ness must have been the inspiration for Rex Banner.
Most unbelievable part of the movie is DeNiro playing a toughguy, he's one special snowflake
Oof...
I read that Capone actually didn't murder any of his underlings with a baseball bat. He beat the the crap out of them and then let his goons shoot them to finish them off.
Good film
The historical inaccuracies don’t both me that much - its focus is the mythology of Ness not the biography. But SO many American movies use the current Maple leaf to indicate “Canada” but we didn’t adopt that symbol until 1965.
The true story of Ness’s post-Chicago time hunting a serial killer in Cleveland has never made it to the movies.
we want beer.
One of the best gangster films made totally brilliant acting should have won more awards
I often find that the true story of events that are made into films is just as compelling as the fictional depictions that end up in the films which makes me wonder why they don't just tell the truth to begin with.🤔🧐🤥👎
I still don't know why the music in this film is so out of place
They were going for a modern (80s) style in the vibe of a spaghetti western. At the time was a highly acclaimed soundtrack but it’s a little dated now.