Jim Cornette on Vince Russo Claiming Jim Said Triple H Would Never Draw Money
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- From Episode 240 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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If Russo told me the grass is green, or if the sky is blue, I'd have to go outside and look.
Bet you believe Bash at the Beach '00 was a shoot.
@@MrRevolutionNine Nah, was obviously Russo style horrid crash-tv worked shoot, same shit he's been doing his entire life.
@@maxxdahl6062 you mean the only period in wrestling in the last 20 years to draw money and viewership? Jim wouldn't know what that's like, he was too busy trying to shoehorn those piss break NWA segments at the WWF.
@@MrRevolutionNine Yeah the one period when he had someone looking over his shoulder who knew what they were doing before he had repeated plane crashes in everywhere he went since.
@@maxxdahl6062 weird that Vinnie Mac if such a great filter has done none of that the last twenty years? Explain that.
Jim Cornette Talking about Vince Russo will always be GOLD …
I die every time he says “ Shit Stain “
Shit stain*
I go to sleep listening to Corny's burial of Russo and Tim Horner. It's very comforting.
Amazing how excited people get about Cornette DUCKING Russo for years. When is he gonna debate him face to face? Cornette been hiding from Russo for years. Pathetic really. Reminds me of when Cornette ran from Santino at that convention a few years back.
@@Rschr101 He definitely didn’t. Pretty sure Russo was the pussy who threatened legal action & put a restraining order out there. Santino confronted a 59 year old man with bad knees for attention, hundreds of witnesses. Cornette called him a pussy to his face. Santino did NOTHING
Russo probably thinks HHH's heart surgery was a work.
He thinks wrestling fans are gay for chanting wresters' names.
You mean like how his and cornette fans thought Will Smith slapping Chris Rock was a work?
@@scrappy93I mean a lot of people said that. For me I just thought it could be but doesn't seem like it, especially knowing the August thing etc lol
@@scrappy93 You got him good
lol, this comment made me laugh cause its legit people that think it was a work
so Vince could take over NXT...i've seen these comments 😂😂
If I remember correctly, I think Mr. Perfect called him Triple H at Survivor Series 95 on commentary. But they didn't call him that as a wrestler until mid-late 97 I believe
They also called him Tri in the early DX days aswell
Tell ‘em triii 😂😂
@@stilettoswinger7404 JR voice:
"I don't like what Tri says..."
I remember Jim Ross referring to Triple H as "Helmsley" a few times during commentary.
@@NomnomJawsnomnom JR always says the last name (sometimes unless you have “the” like the rock)
I like how they bleep out the first "shit" and then it's just free reign 😂
TH-cam algorithm. No cursing in the like first 60 seconds or demonitized.
🤣🤣
That’s not really Russo’s comment! It’s missing the word “bro” at least 7 more times
Jim is 100% correct. I had lost interest in pro-wrestling between 1992-95, but in 96, while still in high school and the Monday Night Wars heating up, I tuned in all of the time. Triple H was always referred to as Hunter Hearst Helsmley when he had the "blue blood" gimmick and only on a rare occasion would Shawn Michaels refer to him as Triple H on camera once they were programmed together following SummerSlam 97. It was always strange to me once they had Hunter going with the Triple H moniker officially. To this day I still think of him as Hunter first.
And there are adult fans now who is fan of Triple H but never watched Hunter Hearst Helmsley. Surreal to think about
You're correct. I don't remember him being referred to as HHH until around the time Sgt. Slaughter became commissioner in 97. I always thought it was him or HBK who started calling him HHH on TV.
@@jamirimaj6880 it’s surreal to think HHH was that rich snob character, as someone who grew up knowing him as Triple H lol
You know it’s gonna be good when Vince Russo is in the title.
100%
It would be even better if it said "Shitstain"😆
LMAO so true bahahahah
But itd be GREAT if Cornette would face Russo in a debate. What's he afraid of?
@@Rschr101 it would be akin to arguing with a toddler. not saying Russo is like a toddler, I'm just saying he's going to believe his vision of how events transpired and his bizarre views on what wrestling is and no degree of debate is going to be useful. there's a multitude of wrestling personalities that shit talk and motherfuck each other in shoot interviews, it's not like what Cornette's been doing is anything new.
As Cornette said "He worked with the guy who drew the money" which is true
Same as The Midnight then?
@@paulearl8203 ooooh 😬
@@paulearl8203 Midnight drew money
That’s basically every wrestler not named Hogan,Rock and Austin.
Yeah Batista was a huge money maker when Triple H feuded with him 🤦♂️
"Russo coudnt explain to me a damn zipper" - Jim Cornette
"I need to mention Russo in every other sentence so the marks will watch my videos" - Cornette
I mean he explained DX to him and Cornette didn't get that either lol
@Random Fagget yep. It's an unpopular truth pill but it is what it is. He saw and advocated for the attitude era and he saw the opportunity that the curtain call created. This is the same stuff Cornette pushed back against and Russo was right about his theory. From there it was wheels up until the run was over. He's the same guy that pushed Vince into the DX and Austin chaos direction and we got the best era of wrestling for it.
@@MrRevolutionNine DAMN hahhahahaha savage
Jim vs Russo. Once in a lifetime with Dave Meltzer as the special guest referee. Book it!
8 stars in the Tokyo Dome
There'll be an argument about the finish...
We need Cornette to make a book just talking about Russo.
😂😂😂 They are hours of a video doing exactly that.. *"Jim Cornette vs Vince Russo"* and I enjoyed every second of it even though it was about 4 hours long 😂👍🏿
"We need..."? Definitely not a we.
@@scrappy93 dude it would be absolutely hilarious, Jim Cornette hates Vince Russo so much ahaha
@@ladistar Actually Bischoff hates him more.
Cornette should man up and face Russo in a debate. Stop talking about Russo behind his back like a woman.
Russo is clueless. It's obvious what Cornette would have meant - 'Husky Harris' wouldn't draw a dime; 'Bray Wyatt/The Fiend' would, because despite being the same person, they are worlds apart in terms of character.
I like how the first use of the phrase Shit Stain is censored but then they just don't bother with all the others HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Anyone else listen to Jim so much you start talking like him? Recently told a friend I was helping ‘you’re fucking this dog, I’m just holding its head’
Yes. I recently had to explain what "Wouldn't you know who won the pony" meant.
I started developing a habit of using Jim's "(sigh)...... Again..." before explaining shits
Hahahah don’t forget “whatever the fuck”
Happened to me too, sadly not a metaphor in my case.
No. Get a life bro
Even before listening I guessed what this was about. I said to myself, "I bet this is actually about/in regards to Hunter Hearst Helmsley the Gimmick and Russo thought Jim meant Triple H the person. Gotta love when a misunderstanding so big can happen because of how people will take specific wording differently.
Was Russo lying? No. Did Russo truly understand the context in which Cornette was talking about? No.
Exactly. Time to move on with life...
Yup its the same way Issac Yankem, the Ringmaster or Deacon Batista was never gonna draw
@@jfdrac Yet Kane/Glen Jacobs himself could and did become a draw.
@@SmaugUKA Exactly same comparsion
Sounds like Jim is full of shit, Russo was correct here. Gimmick or not, he claimed Triple H would fail and he was wrong. End of story.
The endless monologues is definitely what drove me away. Brian is on point with that.
Same here
That and beating everybody. Helped kill the business for good.
HHH infatuation with sledge hammers made me change the channel.
Spot on
@@Rschr101everybody beat triple h
When I read the article in Sportskeeda, I couldn’t wait to hear Cornette’s response to this 😂
I actually remember during his feud with Goldust over the IC title, JR had referred to him as Triple H and it was right before Chyna had popped up. it was the first and only time he was called Triple H until they actually changed it to Triple H.
8:30 Brian is spot on. As a nerd in the forums in the early 2000s I can vouch everyone was sick of trips NEVER going away and squashing anyone new's push with his "backstage politics".
Even as a Triple H fan then and now it was insufferable. It sucked to see so many stars get mega over only to lose to Triple H.
Kane winning all the other titles and being super over as a Babyface, at a time when he had only had the WWF title for 1 day; only to run into the HHH brick wall will always be shitty booking. And that's without even getting into the story they wrote for it.
and his horrible 20 minute promos
I loved Triple H, and look at that Man, it’s no wonder why he always was Champ, I totally understand why many were sick of him but that’s my opinion
The most egregious to me were Kane, RVD and Booker T. All the other Triple H victims had backstage stuff going into it where it's not all on Trips, e.g. Goldberg or Steiner. Kane was a long time employee who had proven worth with the company. RVD was over as hell, the only person to get over from the Invasion storyline and one of the top merch movers at the time. Booker was booked in a story where he would look lesser if he lost at WM19 and that's exactly what happened and it took years for him to regain a main event position.
*cough Jericho twice *couch
Ok…Kowalski gave him the name Terrorizer, but, Paul was adamant about having a first and last name. Kowalski met him halfway. So he started as Terra Ryzin.
Batista and Flair always called him Hunter on TV during the Evolution days
Bret probably said the same thing about HHH
Watch *"Bret Hart vs The World"* the most hilarious thing.. Bret didn't pull no punches neither.. Talk sh_t about his own family so you know it's nothing but honesty.. 😂😂
He would probably still say it to this day
He's the perfect example of why i now cringe when i see bookers saying this guy didnt draw a dime and so forth. So many great workers didnt draw until they got right gimmick- S Austin Eddie Guerrero HHH the Rock etc
Actually Austin was drawing before the gimmick. Him and Pillman as the holly wood blondes were a pretty good draw. Obviously it wasn't anywhere the draw he got as the rattlesnake but my point was that he still was a decent draw before Austin
@@MinuteManClips the ring master wasn’t though
@@MinuteManClips Hollywood blondes were awesome but that was a really really bad financial time for WCW and they weren’t main event guys outside of one feud with Flair and Arn.
@@MinuteManClips they didn’t draw at all, all the way down to the reason they broke up the tag team after their bad rating vs Flair and Arn from the main event of the Clash. Not that that matters. As said drawing power isn’t something you just plug in and unplug.
Drawing isn’t something some guys can just do vs what some guys can’t do. A million moving parts have to come together for a wrestler to draw money besides his own ability. It’s like saying Archie Manning wasn’t a good quarterback.
Bless my grandma, she was into wrestling with me. There was a car dealership in town called "Triple J Auto Ranch" that we drove by. My grandma said, "Hey, Double J or Triple H could own that!" 🤦 Have to admire her passion, lol!
Vince Russo doesn't know what it even means to be, "A student of the game." It would have never left his chicken lips in 1996 nor ever. 🙄
I'm sure they have still occasionally referred to Triple H as "Hunter" on TV.
They call him that all the time not just occasionally. Jim’s assertion that people are confused about why he is called Triple H is absurd and not even remotely true. No one is confused. 😅
He wouldn’t draw money in Wcw! Terra Ryzin was horrible!
It wasn't good, was it.
Damn you’re on this channel too lol a man of the culture
That gimmick is what got him his job in wwe so someone liked it
@@youtubebannedme4207 it was the Kilque they liked his wrestling style not the gimmick. Lol. Plus he had a gimmick after Terra Ryzin that was a French BlueBlood in a tag team with Steven Regal in WcW before he went to WWE
He would've as soon as Nash and Hall came in. His personality and in ring work ability is what got the otherwise bad gimmick over because his personality replaced the gimmick.
I didn't pick up on the Leona-HHH Helmsley connection until Jim just mentioned it.
And I was like Nah Bro. HHH is the king of drawing dimes. He also draws pennies and nickels like you wouldn't believe.
The irony is not lost on me on HHH initially portraying a Vince rich snob character from Connecticut. Surreal.
There was a moment when Triple H started the Cerebral Assassin gimmick. That actually drew.
Always down for Motorhead.
The most baffling part to me is even after the dark side of the ring where on multiple occasions we see Russo straight up lie yet he still has people supporting him and claiming Corny is just a bitter old man. I'd be kinda pissed too if some guy who didn't give a fuck about a business my life revolves around starts taking credit for stuff he'd never have known about
@@NiggletFarm bruh russo was out of wrestling before he even knew what it was
I heard Russo on a podcast recently and was horrified that at almost 60 years of age he hasn't dropped the bro from his speech pattern.
It's a good thing he didn't have another name that started with "H" because 4H wouldn't have sounded as tough.
Didn’t Triple H say he didn’t mean the apology in that interview with JR? Was he not working in saying that? Or did he say it in another capacity that I’m not aware of?
@Booker Ryan That was a "worked shoot"
this is something I think about every time Cornette says he didn't mean it lol. he was literally a heel for a majority of his time with WWE. cause that was during Russo's time and with DX where they showed the curtain call home video and the accompanying promo, was it not?
Yeah I think it was a work, that was that Sunday Night Heat worked shoot where "The Game" was born.
@@mecha2001 def during a dx promo they showed footage of the call and said he doesn’t mean it in character
@@fabianmarshall4120 97, they showed the clinic.
I think in HHH'S book, he say he didn't mean it. His book is out of character.
To be honest, the feud HHH vs The Rock in 2000 make me fall in love with wrestling again.
That's the year, just look the roster, even with SCSA injuried.
The only problem was wrestlemania 16, the rock should’ve won that but the original plan was just gonna be how it was at backlash, Stone cold returning to help the rock defeat the McMahon Helmsley faction but Steve was still to injured and that’s when they went on with the fatal 4 way shit, Backlash and KOTR that year made up for it since the rock won back the title in both PPVs
@@yoitsSmitty2004 Rock should've lost at WM16. And he did.
Rock should've won WM15 though.
@@Speedyreedy1218 rock shouldn’t have lost at WM16, hence which made it the weakest PPV, not letting the biggest Drawing wrestler win the title at WM16 was a bad choice
@@yoitsSmitty2004 Rock should've lost at WM16.
The company was trying something new, starting a new legend. This was the first time WWE was making a heel champion the franchise of the company, copying a NWA model.
Heels are major draws also. Hence Gorgeous George, Freddie Blassie, Ric Flair.
Rock had his WM main event the year prior at 15. He was getting babyface reactions Dec 98 in spots and it was VERY noticeable February 1999 during his Corporation time. Austin already won at 14 vs HBK. Rock should've won at 15.
WM16 was HHH'S time. He kicked the year off with bangers at RR, and NWO, WM was the trifecta.
Rock had his moment late 98 through summer 99 establishing himself as a top guy. Check. The spring/summer 99 was his confirmation he could replace Austin as the top face if needed.
So now 2000, pun intended was "my time" for HHH. And it paid off dividends. He could work with anyone and raised everyone's game.
Rock beat all the heels already. You have him beat HHH at WM too, WCW is back in the driver's seat with a chance to recover.
Because no one poses a belieavable threat for fans to stay invested in Rock. No enemy worth getting energized to see eventually take Rock out.
Rock beat Holly, Venus, Mr. Ass, Bulldog, Show, Undertaker, and now you're having him beat HHH who just survived a brutal street fight and HIAC, things Rock never did. That's dumb.
Triple H has gone on record that his 95-96 run character was his idea because he was able to keep his gimmick upon leaving WCW
Any time I see "Jim Cornette" and "Vince Russo" in the same sentence, I am instantly there.
jim is right i remember hunter hurst helmsley back in the king of the ring 😂
The thing is HHH during his absolute prime in 2000/2001 was never on a card that didn't also feature Austin, or Rock, or Taker, or even Angle. I think it goes without saying without these guys to play off of, he wouldn't be that big of a star during this time. HOWEVER, these guys also needed a strong heel to go against and no one fit the bill more than HHH. In 2000, you could've had Foley/Rock, Jericho/Rock, Taker/Rock, etc., but none of those feuds would just click as perfect as HHH/Rock did.
So to discredit Hunter completely from being a draw is a disservice.
The argument really is that while being a big star, HHH was never over enough to draw a strong house completely on his own. As in put his name on the poster and write "and bunch of other guys" and you won't sell as much tickets as when you put Rock's or Austin's name on the poster and write the same follow-up "and bunch of other guys". But you'll sell tickets, that's for sure.
As for being legit draw on his own, he really can claim that on the following occasions:
1) MSG return in 2002
2) RR 2002 which also included Rock, Austin, true but in this single case HHH was the bigger draw IMO, fair and square
3) WM 21 - not on his own entirely, but the whole Batista deal was impossible without Evolution and HHH, he's earned this draw.
I think that's it.
You're looking for "A rising tide lifts all boats"
Tbh hunter hurst helmsley would never draw in wwf.
I'm surprised you didn't make the parallel with the rich boy gimmick with the "pretentious style" name that gets abbreviated with good ol MJF. I've always thought that MJF was kind of like had Trips never quite dropped the Connecticut Blueblood gimmick, but just made him more realistic.
The Miz is the missing link!
For the record, I always liked the "Hunter Hearst Helmsley" gimmick. 1. I love rich snob characters, and 2. First time he used The Pedigree, I thought it was one of the most devastating finishers I ever saw. So I used to do all that stuff too, even down to that same silly curtsy as a taunt when wrestling my friends.
I LOVED the Blue Blood gimmick but I felt alone in that. Not many realize how that cross to HHH to Triple H happened but it felt natural.
It didn't phase The Ultimate Warrior at all
I remember when Triple H came out and said "I AM THE GAME!" in I think it was 1999 with the interview with Jim Ross and I always felt that was the time that Hunter Hearst Helmsley was dead and "Triple H" was born. You can't deny that Paul Levesque changed up his (no pun intended) game factor when it was time, I mean he had that monster heel run in 2000-2001, he came back as a huge babyface in 2002 - remember that huge pop he got when he came back at MSG in January of 2002 and they had Undertaker who had just recently turned heel stare down the newly turned babyface in Triple H, Triple H won the Undisputed title to a huge pop then he decided to turn heel around Summerslam of '02 which reinvented himself because we all thought "shit, here we go, D-Generation X is back", then Triple H did that pedigree to Shawn Michaels in the ring basically turning heel that night, even Jim Ross had those quotes in commentary, even to the part where Flair was paired with Triple H, then Evolution came along and had the rise of Batista and Orton and Triple H reinvented himself with the whole "I'm now jealous of these two bums, they were meant to be in the midcard, now they're world champion, I should be world champion!", then '06 he reinvented himself again where he shaved his beard to look like Motorhead's Lemmy style handlebar mustache with the "King of Kings" gimmick where at Wrestlemania 22 he came out and did the whole Conan The Destroyer gimmick entrance and then obviously turning babyface until I think it was 2013 with the DX 2.0 stuff.
I will say that I do think Triple H shouldn't have had that many title reigns, BUT, I can understand since if you look at a few of them, they were mearly there to put the newer guys over - Roman Reigns, Batista, Orton etc.
Looking at the thumbnail, before reading the title, I thought Cornette was talking about the hog pen match.
I Never get tired of jim cornette Talking shit about Vince Russo these types of videos always brings a smile to my face and Jim Cornette Vs Vince Russo is 10X Better than Anything Currently On WWE TV 🤣🤣🤣
Bahahahahaha so true
@@ladistar it really is 🤣🤣🤣
@Yūgen in the words of Ron Simmons DAMN!
HHH proved his worth getting Batista over so majestically. That proved he can get people over that weren't just the biggest stars.
The entire creation and success of evolution really.
He should have put over Booker T though.. I hate that he didn't..
Facts
@@ZoeW101 true. I just think Orton's own injuries and demons really stopped his part of the breakaway from paying off in full for another 3-4 years. The Batista build was perfection.
that Mania did a huge buyrate too. right under Rock and Austin. only one match that can really be credited for it. Cena would go on to be, but he wasn't a draw yet. Kurt Angle vs HBK was a classic, but can't say they drew that. Orton vs Taker build wasn't much really. you could argue with Orton being so young, people could possibly see the streak ending buy for that. the safe bet is it was Batista vs Triple H for the world title.
I love how the censor gave up trying to clean up Jim’s language
HHH was massively over in 2002 when he made his return as a face That years RR did huge money with the RR main event being centered on him and with him going on to win the rumble. The problem is it fell apart quickly and ended with him turning heel and starting his reign of terror.
And he wasn't massively over as a face either.
Except in WWE revisionism.
It was due to his return. He had no idea how to capitalize it.
HHH showed no vulnerability in his fueds that year and won every big match, There's not really any story to tell if you're always better, smarter and more skilled than everyone you wrestle.
Everyone who comes back from a big injury is over. It doesn't mean much.
@Random Fagget The reign of Terror was Triple H being the WorldHeavyWeight Champion for months and never putting anybody over. this was from 2002-2004 he only put Goldberg over and won it back. he screwed Booker T at WrestleMania 19 because we saw a glimpse of Booker's life and it was his moment. Im still pissed about it. Booker T became a company man after that. though Triple H lost the title years later he wasnt completely off until Batista at Mania 21.
Haven’t started the video yet. But here we go again 😂😂🤣🤠
Jim stories about both the Vince 's are always Funny 🤣
I clicked on this video as soon as I saw "Jim Cornette a vince Russo" 😂
I think DX had already formed before he started being called Triple H.
"Worked with the guy who drew the money"🤔 Well if the guy that drew the money was working alone, would he have drawn the money?? Cause people pay to see the hero conquer the villain...
Yup. Like Piper said to Hogan "if they didn't hate me so much, they wouldn't have loved you so much"
Like charlotte and Becky feud.it works because tired of charlotte
Hog Pen match is underrated.
Originally in the late 90s Shawn Michaels tried to get over the nickname "Tri" which was god awful.
TELL EM TRIIIIII
With Double H- Hunter Helmsley : "This is my boy- Bi".
@@takerdust There's a lot of bi things he is.
They were even calling him "Tri" for a couple weeks before Triple H came along lol
HHH worked with the guy that drew the money
Exactly, no matter the WWE narrative, Triple H never has been and never will be seen as a star on the level of Austin, Rock, Taker, Bret, Michaels, Hogan, Flair, etc.
Those who say otherwise are just his delusional fans.
Hell even John Cena became a bigger name than Triple H.
I believe russo on this since jim said in interviews hhh never drew
Jericho said the same thing. He wasn’t the guy, he was the guy who worked with the guy.
The thing with hhh is he was at the time ,when the most over guys were there at that time...that's why he is said like that bcoz of the comparison...also,I agree with jim that if he would be in another company ,he would have increase that's company buys for sure
I was waiting for this to come up 🤣😅😂😆
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
JC still normally refers to him as Helmsley though! 😅
They bleep "sh*tstain" the first time but then say f*** it and let it go for the rest of the video! 😄
Let’s go the beef never dies!!!
Triple H drew one of the biggest nights of business at WrestleMania 21. Triple H was a “gimmick” that worked.
Did you even listen to the video? The whole point is Jim said that Paul Levesque as 'Hunter Hurst Helmsley- the Connecticut Blueblood' wouldn't draw. And he never did.
Vince Russo is claiming Jim meant that Paul Levesque as a person didn't have the ability to draw which *WASN'T* what he meant.
It was only once he dropped the snobby rich guy aspect and switched to the D-Gen X type that he began drawing.
DX put Triple H on the map
Yes it did.
You forgot about that god awful Terror Risin' when he first started.
Nobody held Shawn Michaels luggage like HHH.
I see Vince Russo in the title of a Jim Cornette video, and I immediately click and grab my popcorn lmao
Oh s**t, from the title alone, this is going to be good!
These thumbnails are hilarious
I'll never forget his promo against Foley in early 99.... "Mick, when our cross paths" (mumbles to himself) "cross paths" Foley, when our paths cross..."
He was horrible on the mic... no real charisma, he could just work really well with "the guy" at the time...
He married the right one... he could go, but without his affiliates he'd be notch above Test.
He really followed the "Scott Hall formula" with dropping the accent and gimmick and just becoming yourself. I'm a mark for HBK, but I also acknowledge the facts when it comes to HHH.
With all that said, he managed to get where he is with his dedication. and that he married the right one...
" I use my right and left indicators "... you can tell that guy wasn't from Loserville 😊
Why is the word "SHITSTAIN" censored?
Paul Levesque truly is The Game. Only one that gets punished when the Kliq disbands because he has no pull, so decides that he’s going to have more pull than almost anyone in the history of the business.
The cream rises to the top.
@@Speedyreedy1218 he was creaming up stephaniee
@@soorej91 He was already on top before that happened.
Small correction. The pig pen match with Henry Godwin was after the curtain call. The pig pen match was punishment for his role in the incident.
Post attitude era, there was this push to tell us the greatest WWE talent of that time was triple h.. raw became terrible while he was front and center for the best part of two years burying people who weren't his friends. Meanwhile smackdown during this period was almost a must watch every week.
The years when he literally tried to be Ric Flair. While Ric Flair was standing next to him. The main difference was when Ric Flair was at his peak, his opponents almost always came out looking good. Whether they won or lost.
Hunter could never be what Flair was
Facts.
He had guys like Austin, Rock, Taker, Kane, Angle and a pretty stacked mid card to make him look good during the attitude era. When Austin retired, Rock was slowing down as a full time competitor and Taker became the face of smack down after the original brand split, he bombed out big time as “the guy”. It was pretty much the reason I, and many others quit watching wwe.
Buried who? o0 He put over Batista, Jeff Hardy, Orton, Cena, lets Shelton Benjamin get three victories over him ( all be it not by pin or submission) which he shouldn't have as he was still being judged by the uppers. So are we counting the sloppy as fuck Scott Steiner who couldn't perform a move without falling over? or An old injury prone Kevin Nash? Or maybe a Goldberg who Vince wasn't behind fully and couldn't do a match past 10 minutes. Booker T I will give you.
I always loved HHH. Shawn Michaels is my all time favorite. But I always loved HHH his heel runs and face runs were enjoyable
HHH really needed the "attitude era" to become the star he is today and forever.
So did Austin.. so did the Rock..
..they didnt need a marriage though, thats the difference . HHH has a lot of tools he pulled his childhood dream of obly when he got the family and company in the sack.
@@ZYaKnoe249 no argument from me....
Barry Horowitz is the 🐐
Nice call back to Jean Paul Levesque 😄. People always mention Terra Ryzin in WCW but rarely JPL. He teamed with Lord Stephen Regal here and there and I almost wanna say with Benoit too.
Hunter Hearst Helmsley's bow/curtsey was traded for a crotch chop XD
Hunter Hearst Helmsley gimmick was never gonna get over. It wasn't until he took over DX that he started to get over as a rebellious babyface with most of the fans.
If Vince Russo told me what my full name is, I would have to check my drivers license to see if he was telling the truth.
Oh boy
To be honest, Triple H worked with The Rock and Steve Austin. HHH worked with those who drew money.
This is bad? There needs to be villain.
@@Cboz1978 It's not bad but Triple H wasn't the draw.
He also worked with Cena.
@@Cboz1978 the problem is HHH thinks he's on Austin and The Rocks level which is not the case. HHH is on the Jericho level whether he likes to admit it or not.
You need a stacked roster to draw money. No individual wrestler does that on their own.
It's crazy that if you know anything about Jim and "shit stain "then as soon as you hear anyone say shit stain you immediately know who that person is.😅😅😅😅😅😅💯💩
“I don’t want to be a pirate” -Seinfeld
In Your House 5 the hog pin match also had the underrated and epic encounter between Bret Hart and British Bulldog, I still have the vhs of that pay per view.
Don't forget the very brief stint where they tried to get calling him "Tri" (pronounced try) popular.
Cornette commenting on Vince russo. I click faster than a racecar
Who use to do that courtesy lol
Why was the first Shitstain beeped out?
Osw review did remind us of the very brief period where they tried to shorten his name from Triple H to just "Tri"
Without the kliq and Stephanie, he never becomes "the game" and remains a mid carder for a good while longer. He still probably wins the title eventually once he goes on steroids but it takes him a lot longer.
To be fair nobody knows how much money one could draw with the entire weight of the promotion's promotional power behind them.
Solo Triple H had a ceiling. Triple H the son in law had that ceiling raised so much higher.
When you can yell at the magazine people or video game company for showing you in a submission hold because it makes you look weak, tear up notes because you're booked to lose (but am I going over?), etc, you aren't really able to be judged in the same way as everyone else.
hhh was on top in 1999 before him and steph even dated
@@LeemWills yup, he was also secretly dating the boss's daughter around that time.. they also booked him and a buddy to spend an entire raw beating up the entire roster at least twice, about a decade a part. That's a level of sustained push nobody gets.
@@johnhess9443 No he wasn't. They dated one month in 2000. Then Vince split them up. They didn't get back together til spring 2001.
@@Speedyreedy1218 of course they didn't.. and he didn't cheat on Chyna either.
none of my business either way, just adds up to why people feel like Triple H was given the means to overachieve in a way nobody else has, so he is who he is in wrestling. With the same level of push, other wrestlers may have been able to achieve more. Never got the chance.
@@johnhess9443 Nope.
People who feel that way are disgruntled ex employee; or fans who don't like him who believe shoots from disgruntled ex employees and dirt sheets who are paid to push a false narrative in a shoot style for website clicks and dvd sales.
HHH was and continues to be an ambitious, hardworking guy completely engaged in and passionate about the business: inside and out. He was that way LONG before he knew Stephanie. Which is why Vince liked him, invited him into his circle, and Shane told Stephanie to "marry someone like him."
His success is independent of his relationship with her. Thankfully, with Undertaker's blessing, HHH stopped caring about the 180° some members of the locker room gave him who discredited his accomplishments a long time ago. And he never looked back. Plenty of people considered other people's favorites (Undertaker, Jericho, Austin, Rock, Angle)- his peers actually in the trenches with him day in, day out-not writers, not smarks, the actual wrestlers-Hall of Fame guys-have all said on numerous occasions, HHH is one of the greatest of all time. They too, are made men, and have nothing to gain by saying those things. That's how they genuinely feel.
Triple H was definately THE guy, it was just at a time when THE REAL GUYS were gone. And then anyone who came up who might potentially take that spot as THE guy from him, he buried, right up until the Rise of Cena.
I can't even give him that credit, guys like Booker, Jericho, Angle and Batista were absolutely more over, he just booked himself to win.
HHH fell off once Cena and Batista rose up
He put Cena and Batista over at Mania
They gave it to Benoit and he couldn’t draw flies. HBK didn’t want the belt. At the time you had a bunch of guys getting injured left and right. That along with Rock,Austin,Goldberg and Lesnar all leaving Vince behind. Triple H was the safest choice.
exept there was dude named Brock Lesnar that was monster and didnt he run over Trps as well in his first WWE run as well ?
Triple H was probably better than the briefly used “Tri”.
Vince lives in Cornette’s head rent-free & Jim doesn’t even realize it, bro!
Matt Osborne? Is he an evil clown? Does he get in lots of fights in the locker room? Does he allegedly like them young?
And thus I have run out of all my Doink jokes. Good night, everybody. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.