Schizoid Personality Disorder, Part One
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- Avoidant, Detached, Introverted, Loners who move Away rather than Toward or Against others. Part Two will address the themes of Dr. Jean Hantman's paper: Hantman, J.G. (2004). "The Techno-Schizoid: Technology in Film as Bridge or Resistance to Intimacy." Canadian J. Psychoanal., 12(1):85-101.
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I think I am schizoid and it explains most of my life. I even remember in my early 20s consciously saying to myself that "my inner self was the only thing that mattered", in response to discovering that I had become a habitual liar. Not lying to gain something or to deceive, but to hide my self from others, to protect it.
I grew up with a cold, distant and later very violent and rejecting father. My mother reacted to her marital problems by smothering me and turning me into her "partner". I see now that she used abandonment as a threat if I didn't go along. She'd not come pick me up when promised, would be cold until I cojoined her. I think both these explain why I felt empty and anxious from a young age.
As a child I was not introverted or secretive. I was happy and social, until the violence and enmeshment began. I reacted by becoming a pleaser, making no fuss, trying to constantly understand my parents emotional states etc. I fought back physically against my father even as a young boy, which led to more violence, because of course a boy can not defend against a grown man. This probably led me to believe that standing up for myself was futile.
My brother who was not smothered developed into a rebellious type and I tried following after him to become independent. Unfortunately he developed schizophrenia in his early 20s and I think that might have contributed as well to me concluding that trying to open up was too dangerous. In addition to being failed by teachers and so on that didn't discover the abuse going on and instead punished me as bad.
I feel like I've been to the road to recovery in the last few years, but I'm middle aged now. My way into recovery has been helped by kind healthcare professionals, my personal doctor and my neuropsychologist, both women, who I see for brain trauma after an accident. They've treated me respectfully and compassionately as a person, as a man, and I feel like that has allowed me to believe in myself, not to be a scared boy, but a man in his own right. I feel a great sense of relief, trust and safety when watching a video like this, because I truly feel that the analysts and therapists want for me, for us schizoids, to suceed. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your story and congratulations on your development.
Thank You Harrison Ford.
Lol!!!!
Harrison Ford wishes he looked like Don, but ya 😄
"It's not the years. It's the mileage."
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Beat me to it! 😂
Timestamps for this talk (1 of 2):
00:07 - Introductory comments
00:24 - British psychoanalyst Anthony Storr’s book, Solitude (1988)
00:55 - Storr’s trained as a Freudian, had Freudian analysis with Charles Rycroft?
01:06 - Storr as voice between Jung and Freud, an independent thinker not committed to either perspective
01:27 - Storr as critical of the heavy emphasis on relatedness in post-Freudian psychoanalysis (object relations theory, interpersonal & relational psychoanalysis, intersubjectivity theory)
01:55 - Storr wanted to remind us that there are solitary people who prefer lives of solitude (Newton, Beethoven, others)
02:28 - In talking about schizoid personality, Carveth wants to avoid implication that people who choose solitude are necessarily manifesting schizoid psychopathology
02:56 - Example of Kierkegaard as preferring solitude, his self-doubt about this
03:31 - Life of the monastic person, a choice to live a solitary life;
Many such people would say they’re not really leading solitary lives--religious life as a way to connect with community
04:44 - Distinction between schizoid psychopathology and Klein’s paranoid-schizoid position
04:54 - Klein’s paranoid-schizoid position
05:15 - Term ‘schizoid’ as not referring to the defense mechanism of splitting; rather a personality or character type
05:52 - Following Otto Kernberg, Nancy McWilliams, Carveth, when diagnosing a patient, is less interested in whether narcissistic, schizoid, hysteric
06:28 - Most significant is whether the schizoid is neurotic, borderline, or psychotic;
Three very different types of schizoid personality
07:09 - Description of the schizoid character; described slightly differently by different psychoanalytic paradigms
07:33 - Schizoid according to Bowlby & Ainsworth’s attachment theory; avoidant attachment, perhaps even detached
08:14 - Schizoid according to Karen Horney as moving away from people (rather than towards or against)
08:33 - Schizoid according to Jungian theory, as introversion
08:51 - Case of the Hermit;
a man living in a shack;
this as example of schizoid personality taken to a psychotic extreme
09:49 - At the other end, people who are high-functioning, but remote
10:44 - Schizoid marriage
12:09 - Psychoanalytic theory on origins of schizoid personality
12:22 - Winnicott - origins of schizoid personality as in not-good-enough mothering
12:31 - Bion - origins of schizoid personality as in early failures of containment
12:43 - R.D. Laing - schizoid person as suffering from “ontological insecurity”
13:23 - Kohut - schizoid person as having suffered from early selfobject failure
14:15 - Andre Green - schizoid people as suffering from the ‘dead mother’ complex
14:44 - Jeffrey Seinfeld - schizoid people as suffering from an “empty core” (his 1991 book The Empty Core)
15:59 - John Steiner - schizoid people as displaying psychic retreats (his 1993 book Psychic Retreats)
16:20 - The schizoid personality creates a false, caretaker self, while the vital core of the personality remains underdeveloped
16:55 - Harry Guntrip - schizoid personality as having put the true self into cold storage
17:26 - Carveth’s suggestion of Guntrip’s vision of himself as Christ-like, resurrecting the psychically dead schizoid patient who has become like Lazarus
18:25 - Carveth’s view that Guntrip’s vision is omnipotent
18:47 - For these kinds of theoretical perspectives, therapy of schizoid personality is seen more as provision than analysis
19:32 - These therapies as ‘re-parenting’;
Kohut - therapy as provision of selfobject function;
Winnicott - therapy as a good-enough holding environment;
Bion - therapy as a kind of containment
20:25 - Not clear whether this is what Jeffrey Seinfeld advocated for too
20:44 - For most of these perspectives, the schizoid personality is never Guilty Man, he or she is Tragic Man (Kohut’s distinction)
20:59 - Erikson - patient pre- vs. post-1950; post-1950 patient displays persistent identity diffusion
21:40 - Christopher Lasch’s suggestion that the postwar shift from productive capitalism to consumer capitalism was central to this (cf. his The Culture of Narcissism (1979))
21:54 - Herbert Marcuse’s essay ‘The Obsolescence of the Freudian Concept of Man’ (1963)
22:44 - For Kohut, the post-1950, Tragic Man, suffers less from conflict than from deprivation;
Suffering not from a conflicted self, but from the absence of any kind of integrated self
23:02 - For Kohut, these kinds of patients suffer from what he distinguished as emptiness depression
23:26 - Therapy becomes not so much analysis as provision of empathy, affective attunement
23:39 - Carveth’s critique of the foregoing;
Value in Erikson’s and Kohut’s distinctions
24:00 - The degree of the change is greatly overstated; still see patients who present as Guilty People
24:26 - But we also see this other kind of person who has an unstructured, unintegrated self, fragmentation-prone self (Kohut)
24:40 - Often this fragmentation-prone lack of cohesion is covered over by a false self;
Many schizoid personalities present in this way
25:06 - Schizoid remoteness, avoidance of intimacy is connected to this false self
25:15 - But for Carveth, in his experience things are more complicated: Tragic Man, on deeper levels, is Guilty underneath;
It’s not as if the superego is absent
25:39 - The fragmentation that this type of person displays is caused by a ‘savage superego’, split off
[end part 1 of 2]
Timestamps for this talk (2 of 2):
25:57 - Carveth not seeking to deny the trauma of insufficient provision
26:09 - Coldness, neglect, deprivation, uncontainment at the beginning is highly frustrating
26:28 - Like other animals,
26:36 - Frustrated babies, deprived babies, poorly attended, poorly cared for babies get angry and aggressive, but they very quickly, usually turn the aggression on themselves
26:56 - Formation of the superego
27:12 - Fragmentation that so-called Tragic Man displays is the result of what Fairbairn called the ‘internal saboteur’; Freud’s sadistic superego; Klein’s persecutory superego
27:31 - Surface false self defense as covering the fragmented self;
27:45 - In Carveth’s opinion, clinical experience, this fragmentation is the result of an ongoing attack by a hostile and sadistic superego, which certainly needs to be analyzed
28:00 - But not at the beginning, at the beginning of work with this kind of patient, Carveth works in a Winnicottian and a Kohutian kind of way
28:25 - All of this is necessary to get an analysis underway
28:34 - When enough trust has been built up, the hostile, hypercritical superego begins to come to the fore
29:04 - This hostile, hypercritical superego as agent of self-sabotage
29:27 - Patient as having an “attachment to the sadistic superego”; sadistic superego as a kind of substitute caretaker; defensive function [of this identification with the aggressor (Anna Freud)]
29:48 - The patient is very attached to the abuser, the abusing superego;
29:51 - The superego does not want to allow the therapist to take over as a caretaker;
The superego wants to sabotage the treatment
30:15 - Requirement for a lot of patience, subtle technique on the part of the therapist to disempower, displace the hostile superego
30:35 - Schizoid patients as fearing dependency, they fight dependency on the therapist
30:58 - Kohut’s transmuting internalization - the patient begins to internalize the analyst as a warm, caring, well-meaning person
31:32 - Klein’s building up of a good internal object
31:46 - At a certain point, the patient permits himself or herself to become attached to the good-enough analyst;
31:57 - To work together to dismantle the hostile superego
32:03 - Summary of Carveth’s critique of relational theories of cure of schizoid psychopathology
32:27 - Analysis of the hostile, harsh, punitive, ego-destructive superego is “written about hardly at all in the literature. It’s a major omission, it complicates the work.”
32:55 - “At a certain point one has to become a Kleinian-Freudian and deal with the self-directed aggression”
33:11 - Freudians as having longstanding commitment to dealing with hostile superego, but not a big Freudian literature on the schizoid problem; most who have written coming from a post-Freudian perspective
33:36 - Kleinians have gotten to the schizoid problem through studies of psychic retreats, defenses of remoteness and detachment, and tremendous fear of dependency
34:26 - Carveth’s paper on Harry Guntrip
35:20 - “Only after both Fairbairn and Winnicott were no longer on the scene …”
35:41 - Guntrip's self-analysis as example of what Rosenfeld explained to be the kind of narcissist who cannot allow himself to be analyzed by another
37:07 - Carveth's suggestion of Guntrip having had the phantasy that he had killed his brother
37:30 - Juliet Mitchell’s book Siblings;
relation to Guntrip and his brother Percy’s death
37:59 - Talion law
38:11 - Carveth’s noting the limitations re: proof of this suggestion
38:24 - Significance of Guntrip having overlooked this possibility/hypothesis;
38:28 - This oversight as a symptom of the deprivation model of etiology reviewed in this talk
38:42 - Not denying deprivation, rather
38:50 - “Where there is deprivation there is frustration, and where there is frustration there is aggression”
38:56 - “In infancy and childhood, where there is aggression much of it gets turned on the self forming a sadistic, sabotaging superego which has to be dealt with in the therapy if the problem is to be overcome and resolved. And the patient thereby helped to begin to assert a self, and not to have to keep it in cold storage; not to have to be sabotaging and undermining it and keeping it down at the behest of a hostile superego, which needs to be disempowered”
39:48 - Carveth’s change in position re: superego demolition vs. superego disempowerment as a result of talking with colleagues
40:05 - Can’t eliminate the hostile superego but can make great progress in disempowering it
40:34 - Jean Hantman’s paper on schizoid personality and film [see video description for citation];
Carveth plans to interview her as a second part to this video
[end part 2 of 2]
I have SPD. I've been experiencing this feeling of lacking a true identity/self lately more than ever but before watching this I had no idea it was a part of SPD. It may just be overthinking though. I clearly have a personality that people that know me recognize, there are things I like, love and dislike and so on. Is that not a self? I doubt normal people even think about that stuff and if they did they would find that a self is really just the sum of outer influences that shaped you. A self is never self made, it's made by the world around someone but for people without this disorder at some point the self stops being so prone to influence. Part of what makes the self of people with SPD different I guess is that it remains way more prone to influence which is what we have to shield against and it's exhausting but very doable. An upside is that in the last few years I found that this shielding process makes me insusceptible to propaganda. Gotta take your victories where you can I guess.
This was an incredible breakdown of the disorder. I’d never heard of the descriptions of schizoid personality from those references before. Very educational, thank you
Welcome
I’m schizoid. I look forward to not being here anymore. It sucks to live as a disconnected slave who’s lonely but can’t trust. I do fine at work but it sucks. :)
Even if you live to die - stay true to yourself
do you understand the disorder?
@@caeliamoonshadow who bro? Me? You?
What does understand mean for you?
All the criteria from DSM and object relations, splitting, causes, personal experience, personality disintegration...
Nah i do not know shit just typing words here bro.
This comment describes my internal thoughts very well. I long for death but I'm not really depressed.
Schizoid here: plus BPD and with MDD, Major Depressive Disorder. I think about death/dying every day. Adhedonia, is very real in my case. I don't find joy in life. I've always been an observer, not a doer. People, like my family and few friends don't understand. I've never been lonely in my life. Being a loner has been my specialty. I don't want or need any one. I'm an island and I like it that way. I'm not suffering at all. My MDD is harder to live with. Dying doesn't scare me in the least, I would welcome it with open arms.
SENSE OF FUTILITY. In Charles Rycroft’s Critical Dictionary of Psychoanalysis (1968) he cites Fairbairn’s phrase of the sense of futility as the predominant affect in schizoid disorders
I just want to say thank you for these videos. It´s a great resource for getting into psychoanalytic/psychodynamic perspectives on the human psyche and therapeutic approaches. I write as a student of clinical psychology in very CBT dominated university were it´s hard to get non-dismissive takes on the topic. Thanks again!
Professor Carveth, thank you so, so much! I really appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on the topic of schizoid PD. I will be starting to listen to this tonight and will finish it up tomorrow. Also I will be reading your wife's paper, thank you for the reference!
1. Cold. Callous. 2. Dread of intimacy, getting too close; also dread of staying away for too long. 3. Spying-from a distance. There must be a way to peek out while hiding in the bunker. (Failed hermit.) 4. One foot in, one foot out. Signs up, quits shortly after. Acquires books, doesn’t read them. (fear of jumping in, surrendering to.)
The book thing, I've had more than a hundred military sci-fi novels on my e-book reader since March this year and still haven't gotten round reading single one of them, can't seem to commit, almost a physical push from the inside forcing me out of any book a few pages in. Same with games, relationships, movies, and I know it's not some adhd.
@@swenson7392 All that stuff is better dipped into without any promises. You’re not ADD
Holy s*it. You just described me to a goddamn tee. I'm telling you, this SPD thing isn't as fancy as one might think, it's a straightjacket which leaves you no agency of your own whatsoever. Why is it everywhere I look at SPD stuff these days I'm finding people with carbon copies of my experiences of situations, thought patterns and mechanisms. Where is my agency. I have no privacy, everyone with the internet can basically look up every little goddamn detail about me without even knowing me. It's rather infuriating to be perfectly honest.
Ouch and yes. I have over 200 books most never read. Cold. Not attached. Thanks jean
@@an1average2guy It leaves me desperate to try to find myself in the midst of SPD. Quirks I thought were mine I find are not, identity markers one by one taken away from me by SPD. It depersonalises me, makes me less of what I was and in its place hollowness. I don't like it.
Thank you for the lecture and for the book recommendations!
Brilliant synopsis- thank you
This is exciting thanks for diving in on this topic
Best video I have found on this yet. I love the personal approach you take, as I would expect a psychologist WOULD take. Sick of the box opening videos for traffic. THIS is the insight I want. Thanks. 🙏
Most welcome
Useful video! Looking forward for part 2!
Don, 3 or so years on, this is now one of the most watched videos on your channel. Thank you again very much for doing this, it's one of two good academic talks on schizoid pathology on TH-cam, the other being one by Otto Kernberg, describing 3 cases of application of Transference Focused Psychotherapy. Pretty much all others are recitations of DSM which describes only a small segment of those who suffer schizoid disorders, only those who are most overtly schizoid. I'd also recommend to any watchers of this talk to also watch Don's video titled 'Ron Britton on Narcissism'.
Thank you
New lectures! How wonderful, dr. Carveth
My hypothesis, with no official diagnosis, is that I've been a quiet borderline until my 45s, then I switched to schizoid. Of course I know I'm not able to diagnose anyone, including myself, so it's an hypothetis. Since I can't bear even the idea of talking to a therapist, I'm trying to understand myself and see if I can do something to better my life. Unfortunately, I see a lot of descriptions but very few things about self healing. I understand why, but there are a lot of people who can't afford a therapy, and they're lost. Books don't work, I don't read them, my way to survive is living with airpods in my ears listening to this kind of video 247. I can't bear the silence in my mind, and while reading I'm haunted by the silence. Thank you for this video, I have the silly, grandious hope I'll be able to find a solution for "us", maybe a videogame with role-play, an app, I don't know because I'm aware I can't mentalize almost anything. A huge hug to everyone who can relate and also to the lucky people who don't have these issues ❤️
Thank you for your views and analysis Dr !
I never knew my father. He is schitzoid. I sometimes feel deeply sad that his life was destroyed by his mother. I wish I had known.... maybe I could have tried to rescue him. He's elderly now and lives alone. He lived with his mentally ill mother his whole life till she died at 97. That is a life sentence. He got cancer but is still alive. I have no idea what his existence is like without contact with people. I tried to contact him but he puts on an act that he doesn't know who I am and hangs up which sends me into panick. Tbh, I had a horrible life... and I'm all alone. (I live out of state) And I have no family or really any friends either. I'm not schitzoid but I'm an introvert...and have issues of my own. Life is deeply unfair. Some people just don't get a fair life to live.
Very sad. Have you sought psychoanalytic help?
I feel you 😢
Perfect as always.
Thank you for sharing these great videos.
Most welcome
Thank you so much for this. I've been reading about schizoid characters for the last year (laing's divided self and "the masterson approach" by ralph klein) and I'm loving hearing your perspectives. I would be very grateful if you really did part two.
Part two is “The Techno-Schizoid”
@@doncarveth thank you
I learnt a great deal from your discussion and thank you for such a thorough critique😊
So, I have a lot of thoughts about this that I'm trying to collect, so as to make them coherent and not too rambly.. Will be posting them up soon.
Thank you again.
So, a few thoughts just from what you’ve said in here, before I go into some other issues that came up for me around this topic.
(Given that you’re listening to this rather than reading it, I’ll try to be parsimonious with my words. I tend to be verbose otherwise. Forgive me if it comes off a bit stale.)
Anyway, I really appreciate this effort at a synthesis of your ideas on this topic. I think you’ve succeeded at bringing your ideas on this together coherently while at the same time opening up new avenues of inquiry. Storr’s and Steiner’s books were of particular interest. Psychic Retreats was already on my to-read list, but is now higher on it, and I’ll be adding the Storr book to that list. Thank you.
There are a couple of areas that you've spoken about in the past, that I’d be interested to hear elaboration on. First, the role of temperamental sensitivity, which you talked about in your class on Ronald Britton’s article, ‘Hyper-Subjectivity and Hyper-Objectivity in Narcissistic Disorders’. Apparently Britton is interested in explaining how narcissistic conditions like schizoid PD can arise in cases where there doesn’t appear to be any trauma. I think this nicely highlights the contribution that Kleinian theory can make as opposed to relational theory--that is, the possible existence of a propensity of some infants toward unconscious phantasies of persecution in spite of what would otherwise be considered good parenting. If you have any further thoughts on this, please share them. Here is a link for anyone interested in hearing your previous comments on this (link is to this specific section of the class): th-cam.com/video/xkQI7QLn_wU/w-d-xo.html
All of this reminds me of what John Gunderson has said about what he terms the BPD ‘phenotype’ of interpersonal hypersensitivity. For anyone interested, he talks about this here: th-cam.com/video/E_kFNWXVF1Y/w-d-xo.html
Also, Nancy McWilliams has commented in various pieces on schizoid types about how these people seem to consistently show a highly sensitive temperamental style, so this is another reason for my interest here. (See her chapter on schizoid psychopathology in her book Psychoanalytic Diagnosis, and her essay ‘Some Thoughts about Schizoid Dynamics.’)
Putting that aside, I'm quite grateful that you got to what prompted me to ask you to talk about your thoughts on this subject. As you laid out here in this video, the explanations that seem to dominate the literature on schizoid personality tend to proceed from a relational perspective. That is to say, there seems to be an absence in the literature of any explanation of the etiology aside from the relational one, i.e., the deficit model. This is something I have been wondering about for the past few months now, so it was nice to hear that it isn’t just me who has gotten this impression from what I have looked at in the literature (which admittedly is a somewhat cursory reading, so far). And I would like to hear your thoughts about Greenberg and Mitchell’s description of schizoid personality disorder, but more on that later.
Thank you. Loved the tips on technique (provision and analysis).
Most welcome
How would you describe “analysis “?
Absolutely amazing video. While I don't have SPD, I can heavily relate to it in terms of, while not *disordered* insecurity and self-sabatoge, having intense feelings of insecurity since I was young due to deprivation and reason to not express myself authentically which has manifested to poor outcomes in a large way in my life. Only starting to truly work through it now. The theoretical groundwork here has given me more language to understand myself here. Thank you so much doctor! It's like you were confirming all the thoughts and self-authored metaphors I've had about my own predicament.
Happy it helped
Shouldn't everyone be insecure, in that with each moment we are heading to the edge of a cliff?
Or are most people in denial?
I have been listening for two years now. I feel grateful. I was waiting for this one. Thank you very much. Thank you.
I feel these things. Please help me understand. I am so paralyzed that I stay in a very unproductive state of being not wanting to do anything but if forced enjoy some things like museums , art galleries, libraries. Usually also in high stimulated environments I do not participate but observe. People wanna get to know me but I say away bc I’m afraid and feel bashful or even ashamed to get close to people. My existence feels like shame. I’m a believer living in sin and I know it and feel sad I can’t break cycles of addiction. I break them for a bit and go back. I always struggled to make connection. I have three kids and struggle to connect with them. I love them but the desire to connect lacks in me. What’s wrong with me?
You need a three or four times per week Psychoanalysis for some years with a good psycho analyst. This may be difficult to arrange but you should try.
Very meticulous dissection of Schizoid personality disorder. Thanks Prof Carveth for such intense dynamic video.. 🙏
Most welcome
Hello from Brazil! Thank you so much!
Most welcome
thank you very much for this video, it is one of my favorite topics, and your contribution is much appreciated. I am looking forward to the part 2. If there is a pdf of the paper somewhere for non-members it would be nice, or at least the name of the films in the article.
There aren't any members, what you see on the channel is all that's there.. see my comment on timestamps, these are almost like notes on the lecture, if you want something that's in text. They're quite (probably too) comprehensive, very little is left out.
Thank you Don
In retrospect I do agree about religion or the religious defence, the difficulty for me is often the concretization of the subconsciously projected shadow that within the field of my subjective awareness I believe to be a true representation of what is( the other as ), this often feeds into my anger I can only suppose it is the crystalization of the dynamic which is superimposed upon the other and came from my very earliest encounters in the cot , at birth even in the womb, such that the other is seen as "neurotic"( autistic), "narcissistic" etc the anger and or hostility than is my groove from which I defensively operate and magically the other withdraws I am back in safe -isolation.
This is how I engineer and or continually re-engineer the schizoid -en-patterning defence and it is so hideous, the anger initially seems natural and undeniable often the other is unwilling to explore their end of the dynamic, and then just pretend which makes me worse and I am left in no man's land.
Hence you could say certain people irritate me
Any suggestions?
My ex H may have been schizoid. He had absolutely no hobbies or interests outside of his computer job. Never read a book for pleasure or curiosity, never tried sports, never watched sports, outdoor activities, music (had a "stereo" but no LP collection), no concerts, favorite music, no art, no movies or tv shows, no adventures, no tinkering or building, no cooking, no interests, hobbies or curiosity at all. He had a very constricted emotional range. He was very guarded. I was never sure if it was all arrogance (he seemed very arrogant) or just a very "reserved" person. He only had 4-5 "friends" from childhood, and from observe him with these people it seemed only circumstantial, nothing deep and abiding. I thought because of his manipulativeness and sadistic callousness toward me (I'm not meaning SEEMING lack of emotion or empathy - I mean REAL ACTIONS toward me) that he was a narcissist, but his total lack of self or personality is not consistent with that. Can someone have NPD and be schizoid too? Is there any law of exclusivity that says these can't coexist?
Fantastic 👏 information. Thank you 😊
Thanks
My healing journey started with a psychic telling me I had to press the defrost button. And I did for ten years. Much improved
Nice interpretation. Good for you!
In Harry Guntrip's book "Schizoid Phenomena" he cites the novelist Henry James as a functional schizoid personality. The affluence of his family allowed him to live independently. He avoided permanent ties by moving between the US and European countries. Based on my own experience, his novella "Washington Square" which was adapted into the movie The Heiress (1949), is the stereotypical schizoid experience: insecure attachment or abandonment, a shut-in personality, and final liberation from bad objects/critical voices/protectors. I see its ending as a woman who becomes Self-led; rather than avoiding people or people-pleasing, her healthy ego is now strong enough to make choices and assert itself. Curious, if you've read the story or seen the movie, and see a schizoid personality in Catherine Sloper?
I’ve been told about the story but haven’t read it. Thank you for the suggestion
Thank you so much, it is very difficult to find good information about this condition. I believe that my father may have this. What you say about the hostile super ego makes a lot of sense. My father often harshly, yet indirectly externalized his hostile super ego by criticizing others who weren't present and by implying that his way of doing this is the only way to do things. He was sort of a detached or secret narcissist because he would never criticize you directly. You were only ever criticized via his critique of others. He spoke rarely of his parents (who died before I was born). He mostly only idealized my grandfather's socialist politics but told me almost nothing else about him, accept in one very strange cold detached conversation where he told me that my grandfather had been a physically abusive binge drinker. I know nothing about my grandmother. My father feels almost like a stranger to me. All I know of him is his dislike of other people, his political outrage, and his love of science. He had almost no friends, accet some acquaintances in the scientific community. He rarely expressed his emotions, and has trouble telling me that he loves me. I was a very lonely child.
Yes, a schizoid parent or partner is a lonely experience living with them. The sound of one hand clapping and in the end and after a while you start to become detached and cold yourself from living with someone who enjoys being detached and fears connection and you waste your life with them. Children are also deeply affected re feeling unloved and invisible and often develop internal conflict Re families and partners- attachment is crucial and not always to do with neglectful bonding - grief from war, trauma, dying siblings - external events seem to all impact
You can still benefit from analysis. You deserve it too.
@@lisabarnes475 I never said I wasn't in analysis...?
Really sad that there wasn't a part two (at least on this channel). An incredibly deep lecture tying what I personally know from my exploration of MBT, object relations theory and classical psychoanalysis. Thank you for your work.
Further down in the comment section on this video, I listed the published paper by Jean Hantman called “techno schizoid” published in the Canadian journal of psychoanalysis. That was the basis of part two.
@@doncarveth thank you
Thanks it has helped me a lot.
Would it be possible for you to make a lecture about borderline personality disorder at some point? :)
Interesting video
Thanks for the talk! Can you please add the link to the related paper you mentioned ?
Hi can’t copy and paste. The source for the paper is printed above the comments above, below the video
I am interested in the link between trauma, dissociation, depersonalization and experience of schizoid individuals.
There is a great deal of literature on these topics, but they tend to neglect the important rule of rage and aggression underlying anxiety
Hello Don,
If I may, I was wondering if you've read Sergio Benvenuto's recent short piece on the as if personality syndrome, in e-flux, an online magazine. The title is ""As If" Personalities and the Courage to Love" and it was published this past November 18. Have you read the piece? Do you have any thoughts you'd like to share on the article or this syndrome in general?
I thought I'd post this here on your schizoid personality disorder video as many writers class as if patients as a subtype of schizoid. Have you treated people who suffer from this? It's a much neglected topic that might make for an interesting talk, also.
Many thanks, and happy holidays.
Thanks so much for sending me this great article. You ask if I’ve treated people of this type. The article suggests that’s probably most people are of this type and that psychoanalytic treatment may at times actually help them to find the courage to love or, to borrow Paul Tillich Sturm, the courage to be - provided the analyst has found the courage to be.
I don't see people as having mental illnesses. I see them as having stories.
If we tell them they are suffering from a mental illness and there is no cure, it will only result in them feeling abandoned again. Coping mechanisms present themselves in many forms and people find the most amazing ways of surviving. The longest and most exciting journey is the journey inwards. That creative method they used to survive can now be used for living. Suffering is often passed down through generations. Human suffering isn't genetic, it's generational.
You seem to be preaching to the choir.
Will you accept someone whose story is having mental illness and is excited by every aspect of the mental illness story?
the choir applauds loudly.
This was very interesting, but there seems to be no Part Two? (ironically)
Yes, a bit schizoid, ironically. We were not happy with it and took it down.
All very true-- My Anger is caused by my mother refusing to be a mother! I had no guidance or direction or encouragement! My mom Blaming me and teaching my brothers and sisters to BLAME and SHAME me! They are STILL MAD about having to take care of me because my mom Left!! went on vacations, 24/7! She never spoke to me, never engaged with me and asked as if I did not exist at all.
You might be interested in the work by Bella DePaulo a clinical psychologist who writes about singletons who prefer life without partners and does research on the biases we have against singletons.
Thank you, sounds interesting.
Hi don. How would a psychotherapist and client work together to stop the aggression of the superego towards the self?
Reconciliation with conscience protects against superego attack
th-cam.com/video/LTYyS8bxV78/w-d-xo.html
Questions and well have watched a couple more of your videos and am reading a book by a Christian psychologist on Freud and Christianity and can't help but think that the problem lies in the categorical rather strange way in which Sigmund Freud seemed to take over-analysis and almost to fill it full of his ideas which are at best very tentative, some appear to be on the right track ie stagse in sexuality, others less real more mythological ie Oedipus , the fact that early on he burnt or destroyed a lot of his manuscripts as if he didn't want to be found out , , did he hate bothe his parents? It appears from what i remember he didn't enjoy the same love of Judaism as his father did, perhaps his childhood was overly strict and hence his ID concept and the superego there is definitely something in the now widely accepted idea of ego, yet I cannot help but wonder that the self at root is prone to egoic tendencies the fall from being is almost permanent and here is another of my questions, Surely the great metaphysical texts are correct in the emptiness of inherent existence and that there is something else going on .
I do think you are being unnecessarily demining of mystics as if they can all be lumped into the crazy kind, even the craziest of godmen I spent ages reading Upsani Maharaji's text is replete with the most profound paradoxical stuff to rival Master Dogen .
But back to analysis the point it would seem to me is to really unearth the root of the repressive trauma the childhood epicenter of that for me anyway is a deep sense of abandonment of being left alone in a cot desperately wanting my Mother the nipple that couldn't produce milk and then my Mother's fear of intimacy and presumably feeling close etc all this left a mark, a scar a vibrational effect, like the center of a huge vortex or whirlpool , a psychic clicking or twisted neszz that is there as a reactionary defense, the later the secondary defenses and the process when I encounter other conflicts as an adult to be able to go down there and let it emerge and allow it to be in my consciousness that to me is the great skill of an analyst to encourage this process in the analysand and then hopefully to initiate a sense of willingness to go there again and again.
But to endlessly to discuss the nuances of each theory , each description as if they are caste in stone as if they are actually how we function is a form of madness isn't it , like describing an unknown land or placing markers here there and everywhere , but I can or do see the point of looking at the major problems, repressional mechanisms, neurosis, projection, complexes and so forth anyway its getting late , hope you are well R
Another strange one Don you in full flight as an intellectual, some interesting stuff though, I alos do not think , was right the conflicts do lessen if the more primal energies and feelings can be processed but for most people this is way to scary or weird, like having a volcano erupt in your mind ... th-cam.com/video/TN4Vlyc0fmQ/w-d-xo.html
Your comments are interesting but hard to follow.. Please copy edit a little bit and use some punctuation, at least some periods.
Thanks!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Guntrip claims that recovery for schizoid is a matter of enough good object experiences. So... is it possible to recover without psychoanalysis? For example - if schizoid meets partner who is good enough and gives him a corrective experience.
But can schizoid accept or tolerate good experience?
@@doncarveth exactly! Like the narcissit I think the schizoid is somewhat similar . They looking for a perfect person which doesnt exist . From my interaction with one I've realized that as soon as they realize you have weaknesses or needs as any perfectly human being does they withdraw...this is my opinion only from observing patterns during my interaction. You can be a perfect match but as soon as it needs are brought up the schizoid switches and retreats . He only takes.
@@smbensli with schizoid, we tend to be very good at knowing if someone will fit with us- we know we don’t have the emotional capacity to nurture or support someone emotionally. Many of us have tried only to end up confused and completely drained. Imo schizoids will only be able to match with introverts with a similar emotional makeup. So it may appear to you that we don’t like weakness, it really isn’t that. We just know we will not be able to give you what you want and need . Plus, I’m still not sure what others can give schizoids in relationships. I’m honestly not even sure what people like us even want or desire
@@brianmeen2158 thank you so much for elaborating this really helps me alot
@@brianmeen2158 Wants and desires are just pictures in our brains. They correlate with needs sometimes, most times they do not.
People can give people fulfilment of needs. Emotional regulation through secure attachment in particular. Anxiety levels regulation to be exact
I even believe that it's the only "real" thing any kind of therapist can do, regardless of their training and school.
Biggest problem, in my opinion, is that society doesn't view limited capacity as acceptable part of human nature, instead it is always narcissistic push, push, push. Better, faster, harder, stronger. And if you don't you actively pushed to the bottom of social ladder.
As someone with SPD, it's difficult to genuinely, consciously WANT to be seen and connected to/with. But this was such an incredibly clear articulation of the experience of SPD that it made it NICE to be understood. Thank you very much, sincerely.
Thank you very much
2:13 It’s now always been Ludwig VON Beethoven. I remember VAN as well. Mandela Effect.
Very interesting, thank you. At 21:03 you said, "The patient before 1950 knew who he was and who he ought to be but he couldn't be it, and came for help for that reason, whereas the patient who comes post-1950 doesn't know who he is or who he ought to be. So this is the difference between guilty man and tragic man." What are you referring to by pre-1950 and post-1950?
See my videos on Kohut. But I am quoting Erikson here.
Oh right, I see. Thanks!
As someone with SPD, the origin in deprivation tracks.. I look forward to more info.
Thanks
Can you talk more about Laing's theories on schizoid pd and what you think of it
Too long since I read it, I recall it as very good. If I find time I"ll ;look at it again.
can you give examples of 'before and after' in your next video? im diagnosed with this
Sorry, not at all sure what you mean.
@@doncarveth I think he means examples of successful treatment of the disorder on this approach -- before treatment and after.. but I'm just guessing.
Oh, that makes sense. We’ll try to do that.
I know you asked this a while ago, but one example that comes to mind is in George Eastman's book on his story of recovery from schizoid PD. I have only just run across this book recently so I didn't think to mention it sooner. The title is 'Freeing the Imprisoned Self: A Memoir'. I've not yet read it so I can't really comment further than that, but it seems like a worthwhile read.
jiminy_cricket777 Thanks
Thanks for this wonderful lecture. Where's the second part? The interview with your wife Dr Jean Hantman?
I will try to find it and repost it. Her paper, the techno schizoid in film, can be found on PEP web. I previously put up a link in this comments section
I just reposted it to my channel
@@doncarveth hmm, looks like it's removed or private.
Click the Videos link and about 3/4 of the way down you will find it
@@doncarveth oh, thank you!
Interesting lecture! Off topic... but I feel that Dr. Carveth looks like the cat in that hat, sans the hat. Perhaps I'm thinking of Dr. Seuss...
While I think he meant well, it was a poor description of SPD. It is not a fractured or insecure self, rather, their ability to trust in others or find security in others is fractured. The self is actually very "shored up" and solidified in response..an excess of boundaries as it were. Unfortunately, there are too many people who confuse this with the other "schiz" disorders and avoidant personality disorder, as many assumptions are made about this instead of better research and understanding.
But excessive boundaries defend against inner weakness.
this is true but each step of the way those fragments became tools that the schizod person had to, from their perspective, leverage off of to get to the grounding factors of the next moment. One of my defense mechnismis is to flood my super ego with questions due to the fact that it looks good for those analyising on the outside and gives my super ego something to do for a while multiple things to look at if im curious about everything. this sounds just like me . adopted and a mother who has left my empty handed and open. my adopted father took his own life due to the same illness. but he wasn't blood related.
Adopted! This comes up a lot with us SPDs
Thank you for your excellent lecture professor, as usual and expected.
What do you think of the evolutionary sociology theory that relates aloofness and lack of meaningful attachment between Male Apes and other apes as precursor to human Male preference to solitary existence and poor attachments, and for homosapien to survive against extinction, they learnt attachments and communal living, and in Apes, the only meaningful attachments is between a female and prepuperty offspring.
Could it be some of us continue to harbor Apes genes that prevent us from finding pleasure in prosocial motivational behaviour due to lack of enjoyment of such bonding, especially with the research into wild prairie voles that mate and bond for ever, theorised as a result of oxytocin in comparison to other voles rats that don't bond forever, of not having enough oxytocin...could the mothers and parents just another carrier to such apes traits....
I am afraid I cannot relate to such evil illusionary biological thinking.
@@doncarveth I like the evil bit.
I am afraid I found such data in evolutionary psycho-sociology text books by multiauthor.
I am a psychiatrist with interest in understanding psychodynamic and psychoanalysis from non blame and printed memory points of view.
@@mohamedmilad1 I don't think Dr. Carveth meant to write "evil illusionary" - he uses a text to speech program to write comments on here because his vision is not very good. I would assume he said "evolutionary" and it was mis-transcribed. So it's perhaps a case of an amusingly on-the-nose transcription error from software - a Freudian slip by the transcription software perhaps? Ha.
@@jiminy_cricket777 thanks. I value the professor’s opinion.
I guess ignoring the biological roots of our existence and social connectedness can only leads to cul de sac of epistemological understanding, we then left to dreams analysis and subjective understanding of someone else intentionality and subjectivity and use of structured compartmentalised understanding.
Have you removed the second part? I'm unable to find it.
Hantman, J. G. (2004) The Techno-Schizoid: Technology in Film as Bridge or Resistance to Intimacy. Canadian Journal of Psychoanalysis 12:85-101
@@doncarveth Thank you!
i'm pretty sure i have SPD. we were always picked last for sports teams as kids. it doesnt bother me. i have no friends and havent had a girlfriend in like 12 years and it doesnt bother me. i dont even know what the word lonely means. i'm a nice guy, i dont mind people and can be talkative if i want but i just like being alone. my mother was great but i had an emotionally dead father is what i think led to it.
Well, you don’t seem too unhappy but if you start feeling so you might find a good analyst
I agree that the tragic man is guilty deep down. And has a savage super ego? I think possibly has a huge enforcing super ego that keeps down an intense volcano of envy and resentment and feelings of being tricked out of a good life etc. The intensity of the feelings are equivalent to that of a baby but have never had the chance to be filtered and regulated so it swarms inside the body raw and unfiltered. Thus the super ego must be really really strong and a false self must be maintained to engage in every day life. What do you think?
Exactly. Entirely agree. Thanks
Wow...
I'm curious what you think of Montessori.
Susan, I confess ignorance
Montessori is a very colorful schizoid phenomenon
Could you please elaborate? I received a Montessori education and am interest in the Montessori philosophy but I am ignorant of the connection between Montessori and schizoid phenomena.
Might be a right assumption (?) that "solitude" of schizoid person is not only defence "against", but also a drive "into" surviving the soul - so that a little like monks do; they direct to sth being internally "alive" in their scattered world (but staying still disconnected with others beside, because relations require and confront to hard with to much integration job to do(?).
....As environment in early life do not gives them "this" connection to the life (as there was mentioned in "death or alive" podcast mentioning Stephen Sondheim musician - "there must be "someone" who is attaching us to the life: mentioning us the life, confronting with it...and even irritating with it...) they direct to inside for searching this - ( so is not only an action of defence against frustration -? )
This is how I understood Donald`s Kalsched book about the trauma; that schizoid perhaps (?) keep in their "solitude" world sth internally very vital - but disconnected to the others and even to their body sometimes in psychotic version.
Yes
Cannot find part 2.
the substitue caretaker is an important part the super ego. cause its more like revenge. or for revenge even on urself maybe that connects to ur previous point. !
I would love to know whether autistic burnout, schizoid burnout, and 'normal' burnout relate to this discussion. Like with Harry. I feel like this video is just barely pre-dating the pop-discussion of burnout going on still.
My question is; how does a schizoid even get to therapy? They don't talk about their feelings to anyone and they are generally distrustful towards therapists. Even if they realize that they are different and are suffering from it to the schizoid the thought of talking to other people may seem to just cause more problems.
But there are varying degrees of this:, moderate, severe. And remember gun trips image of the underground bunker that nevertheless has a periscope. They are interested in others and lonely over. They can’t bear very much contact. Schizo are able to utilize therapy.
Hi, where's Part 2? thanks!
We took it down because the points are better delivered in this published paper:
pep-web.org/search/document/CJP.012.0085A?page=P0085&q=Hantman
Oh my goodness, he looks like Harrison Ford. Uncanny.
Ha, so I’m told. Thanks!
So many people assume that schizoid is the same as schizophrenic.
Why does fragmented self lead to fear and avoidance of intimacy?
Therapies of provision (reparenting) instead of analysis….?
What’s the question?
I know this would be such an enlightening video, I keep making attempts at it.
I tried a few weeks ago, and a month ago...
I just can't make it through the "ums" and "uhs". It's a crackly, throaty drawn out sound that triggers my misophonia to a painful degree.
I wish there were a transcript available.
See my post on timestamps, they're very in depth. And try listening to it with a different method than normal. If you usually use speakers, try headphones. Or try playing around with equalizer settings, that might also help.
Part 2?
We took it down. Jean Hantman’s paper is more comprehensive in any case: pep-web.org/search?facets=&preview=CJP.012.0085A&q=Jean%20Hantman
Hantman, J. G. (2004) The Techno-Schizoid: Technology in Film as Bridge or Resistance to Intimacy. Canadian Journal of Psychoanalysis 12:85-101
The Techno-Schizoid: Technology in Film as Bridge or Resistance to Intimacy
Jean G. Hantman
Technology films place us at the beginning of the breakdown of the character's schizoid defence. In the first plot pattern, the protagonist's move toward genuine human contact entails authentic personal and moral growth. In the second, his attempts to save the perceived victim fail miserably.
In analysis, the former type of patient (one who spies on one person) is amenable to being cured when “the camera is turned on him” in the analytic setting, but the prognosis for the latter (one who spies on a couple) is more ominous.
“Schizoid,” in terms of words spoken to another person and words she allows to be spoken back to her, is closest to autistic of any diagnosis. The analyst must hold onto “the hope of words” that is the centre of the psychoanalytic process, to go the distance with any patient genuinely interested in turning dangerous repetitions into language.
Les films de technologie nous placent au début de la rupture des mécanismes de défense schizoïde du personnage. Dans le premier modèle d'intrigue, le protagoniste s'oriente vers un contact humain réel qui entraîne une croissance personnelle et morale authentique. Dans le second, ses tentatives pour sauver la victime perçue se soldent par un échec.
Dans l'analyse, le premier type de patient (celui qui espionne une personne) peut être guéri lorsque la caméra se fixe sur lui dans le cadre
This paper was presented to the Toronto Annual Day for Applied Psychoanalysis, October 28, 2000.
analytique, alors que le pronostic pour le second (celui qui espionne un couple) est beaucoup plus sombre.
« Schizoïde », en termes de mots dits à une autre personne et mots que cette personne accepte qu'ils lui soient dits, se rapproche de l'autisme d'un diagnostic quelconque. Le psychanalyste doit se raccrocher à l'espoir des mots qui est au centre du processus psychanalytique pour aller jusqu'au bout avec un patient qui souhaite transformer des répétitions dangereuses en langage.
“Superego is aggression turned back on oneself”. Would it not be more fair to say that the Superego is the internalized voice of the culture - mandating compliance to rules and mores?
No, where is the distortion of Freud’s concept by sociologists. For Freud the core of the superego is it aggression turned back against the ego. The second layer of the super ego is internalization of the culture via the parental super egos. Floyd feels to offer a critique of what is internalized: racism, sexism, hetero sexism, classism, etc.
Refreshing to recognise the self sabotage of a hostile super ego within SPD treatment, however complex and inconvenient this may be.
A reference to you wife paper... Please
Don what is your character type, also schizoid? as your dry communication talking about people who have adapted to survive after trauma with such dispassion.. as a person who dissociated after experiencing torture.. it feels dehumanising
He's an academic and a professor discussing his subject-matter.
I often check into Jocko's podcasts simply because he is so grounded, the perfect antidote to the Schizoid stuckness or defensive position, and yes he can literally do what few others are capable of, and he is rightly recognized as a "leader amongst men" because he can walk his talk.
So I thought you might like his latest and my comments to his video :
th-cam.com/video/Hh-RooWwk4w/w-d-xo.html
Click the Videos link and about 3/4 of the way down you will find it
so my dr suggested i look into this. i no have more questions than answers. and it sucks.
It doesn't have to suck. Emotionally explicit people have their torments.
@@apextroll the way i should have phrase it "my next appointment isnt for 6 weeks and waiting on solutions suck"
@@brianwebb9343 How long have you noticed being this way?
@@apextroll im 49 now and its been the entirety of my life. just no Dr caught it. ive been diagnosed i feel like everything but never schizoid.
What about treating schzoids with first and foremost the very same courtesy, equality and respect as full human beings in their own right to be themselves not a therapist's copy but better at being themselves up to and including differenting their lives from the therapist too! Therapy's great but it's not everything. There's life too! They shouldn't trade one dysfunction for a better one with the therapist no matter how well meaning. The goal is to live better as their own person on a journey not a destination!
Yes
I am guessing that solitude is often not a choice.
Well, like many choices, it may be unconsciously motivated
Solitude is definitely not a choice, it is a much needed requirement for schizoid . With age it only grows(need for solitude)
@@brianmeen2158 as I get older, I spend a lot of my time alone just laughing to myself.
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A masterly Tour de Force
"the Schizoid personality disorder"...
26:00 in I agree with your speculation. Although I have never done child observation as such in a clinical setting I have been privileged to be part of many children’s' lives and yes my sense is that the lack of early emotional and physical bonding together with a neurotic form of mothering , arev the predominant conditions .
I can only speak in my case a Mother who was very critical across the board resulted in this reaction / response to become perfectionist as Jung might say a purer complex , the Glass Bead game by Herman Hesse descr9bes intellectual elitism as a hot bed of schizoid typologies, Gun trip fascinated me and was intrigued by his theory of the hate that almost can't be directed out and is projected back in , was not aware of him being a pastor .
In the West I feel we all bear this "schizoid tendency " as I have watched in envy some of the documentaries of Amazonian tribes where the mothers carry the babies with them all most from birth and the group naked gather round each other , our whole system with its reliance on clinical birth procedures creates the conditions for schizotypal internalization .
It also accounts for why our group facilitator was so keen we do and repeat at stages heavy duty anger work and then debrief later on .
For the truly Schizoid personality it isn't Ok at all to be "that angry" ,they often supress their rage and then in acts of retaliatory aggression hurt or injure others and then themselves , the neurotic never seems to reach such a degree of desperation because they have built their lives on control and avoidance .
Again I can only speculate from my own self-analysis that the introject was primarily from my Mother side and that one the one hand she dearly loved me but on the other was too afraid and felt herself un lovedand unwanted as a child to allow herself to enjoy me as a baby " I tried to suckle you but just couldn't produce any milk", my dad behaving like a bachelor at my birth, me with jaundice "oh he's got a suntan and the promptly going back to the pub.
So it went on in my childhood , tense unspoken stuff , loved yes but , I was desperately afraid to make mistakes at school later on in my teens , easily moved into a fugue state and it only took experimentation with LSDS in my twenties and my family rounding on me to push me too far or directly into a really full blown "archaically pre linguistic magico- symbolic shamanic or fugue like state ", original diagnosis dementia precox , so yes i know this one from the inside out Don.
38:50 in I think you’re on the right track with Harry, I can infect remember taking notes or trying to analyse my analyst at some stage, rather than stay with the feelings and raw emotionality as a defence against acknowledging perhaps the ambivalent hate and love or attraction the wonder and the murderous rage at the fact that whilst she was incredibly physically attractive , empathic and insightful I could not actually touch or hold her or in any way be as it were naked, I even asked once on the couch and a reply came back no it wouldn't be appropriate , but the work we did together was so incredible taking me back to very early period in my development , so don't be too hard on Harry , there is more than a little of him in all of us.
40:00 in yes exactly you said it so well to "be" we must allow this aggressive , angry hostile baby up.
I look forward to your joint podcast with your wife .
God Bless and go well R
Thanks! Nice video! but I disagree with the point that Guntrip wanted to kill his brother. This is true if he had a freudian structure with a strong ego, but as you said he didn't have a freudian structure.
Oh and its my birthday .
Happy B-day
I have some reservations, the schizoid -defence is I feel ubiquitous and further your personal experience of trauma suggests this, I have also commented at length on your video on trauma.
th-cam.com/video/BAdj8mGiRBc/w-d-xo.html
For me suggests trauma pushes us out often temporarily fo the existential mode, which for most people makes sense, "i"-"me" and my little world view.
Or again I hope Jocko won't mind but can't help using his platform to flag up a very important even fundamental point :
facebook.com/richard.price.50746444
Maybe Harrison Ford are the cause and not the reason. Or the one that birth cause a even more sick mother or grannys grandson...you got to do a analyses before you can know.
I find all aetiology explanations to be utter BS. Show me the randomised controlled trial (hint: they're not possible). What we get is a load of just-so, post hoc stories that only work in one direction. They side step all the childhood that had the supposed causal factors, but failed to produce a personality disordered adult. Moreover, not one word about heritability. Nothing about the patently obvious: when the attentive practitioner is told "oh, his father is just like him".
Probably fair, but there is no need to devalue “sick description” of what such folks look like now.
Talks too slow. Sounds ok if set to 2× video speed. Lol
I am in this video and i do not like it
So we have adapted child(( T.A), deformed over active internally condemning superego, deformed ego, endless retrogressive steps, frustration and ...over-reliance of the pseudo-intellectual response, overthinking the problem instead of testing it out and making mistakes = " Collective Neuroses", or fear-driven compulsive life of the classic prol ( 1984)
ref (J crickets question ) hope this helps. Please watch Jockos pod caste again the difference between a true leader and a tyrant is -------
th-cam.com/video/8f0f4t1QXro/w-d-xo.html