A clip from our Champions Cup final wrap pod where we discuss how Leinster managed the second half in particular. Full pod available on Apple, Spotify, etc.
It seems mad to me that Frawley is the backup 10 in the biggest game of the year, but gets little or no playing time at 10. Ross Byrne is no treat running with the ball. I can't understand why Frawley isn't getting more time at 10 during the year. For me Leo and Co. have made up their minds that the Byrnes are better and given Frawley no chance to perform in a match as big as this. Madness, Leo needs to have a serous look at his role in leaving Ross on the field as long as he did.
I put a lot of the blame on Cullen for not giving Frawley a chance early in the season. He was much more of a threat in the minuets he was on the field.
I think if Frawley had played more time at ten over the last few seasons he would have been a legitimate alternative to Jack Crowley in the Irish set up. Munster backed Crowley and he got the exposure he needed.
Why can’t you see ! Play your best team in the final ! What about the games leading up to the final! You have to play week after week to be ready for the big games! Oh they played ospreys couple weeks before the final! Last 3 years same thing
Hugo Keenan played against Ulster week before final ! First time he has ever played in ravenhill ! First team not allowed to play away from home if there a chance they could lose ! Oh we lost because it was the b team
I'd wonder are the players getting too much discretion, Byrne should have been hooked off before that kick and where was the message to have some respect and take the points when on offer.
Look lads if it were an amateur GAA team Leo Cullen would be after getting the chop by now... There are absolutely no excuses ! Time, money, players, staff he's had it all 🤷♂️
Leinsters attack has gone to mush since neinbars arrival..leaving JDF Conan and Ryan your best ball carriers on the bench was madness...leinster need to buy in a quality 10.
Funny, when Sexton landed that last second match-winning drop goals a few years ago in Paris, I don’t remember so many Irishmen endlessly chanting the « fine margins » mantra or insisting on the « different conversation » if he had missed😂
It is understandable, giving who La Rochelle coach is. You are right , only 5th in Top 14 now. Also if Leinster coaching team believed their Toulouse counterparts had not devised the way to perform in this match, it was negative too.
So the scape goat is Ross Byrne, even though most of the Leinster pack were average at best, aside from at scrumtime. You 3 are bigging up Frawley while forgetting that he was the 10 on the pitch when Toulouse pulled away in extra time. And yes, Lowe got carded but Toulouse lost a player too. NO Leinster player excelled at the weekend. Not one. Saying Byrne was 'rubbish' is cack analysis.
Thanks for the comment. If the video were labelled 'Harpin on....Leinster’s scapegoat" then your own analysis of it would be spot on. But it's clearly labelled as a clip, focusing on Leinster's game management, from a full pod where we look at all aspects of the match. That doesn't mean we fully agreed with your take, just that you've missed the fact that you didn't fully get ours.
@@HarpinOnRugbyYT I listened to all of your 'insight' and the vast majority of it was criticising one player. If you call Byrnes performance 'rubbish', which is what one of you did, then you're going to get called out for being a terrible analyst. Not even 1 Leinster player stood out at the weekend. Doris was probably the best of the forwards but giving away that stupid penalty at the breakdown towards the end was unforgiveable. The ref clearly said hands off and he didn't listen. Where was the 'enforcer' McCarthy? Where was Bairds athleticism? Where was the huge impact the bench was supposed to offer? From a forwards perspective, the only positive was the scrum. When the WHOLE team don't perform collectively, putting the vast majority of the blame on Byrne is scape goating at its finest. He nailed his kicks. The center partnership outside him are average. Larmour is average too (despite his recent decent performances). Keenan did nothing in attack. The main issue here is that most of these Leinster players aren't as match fit and battle hardened as they should be. The strategy of resting players for 3 weeks before these games is a bad one but the Leinster management didn't learn anything from previous years. That was the main issue, not Byrnes performance.
@@PB22559 not arguing with any of your points on the match. Just that you once again are ignoring the fact that the video is a CLIP from an hour long pod where we went over pretty much everything you discuss. Call it out as bad analysis if you want but as far as I'm concerned the video stays on point when it comes to the title.
@@HarpinOnRugbyYT Calling one player 'rubbish' is scape goating considering NONE of Leinsters forwards and backs performed well. Leinsters below par performance wasn't Byrnes fault. Again, Leinster lost the game when Frawley was at 10, not Byrne. I didn't hear any of you mention that crucial fact. I'm saying all of this and I'm not even a huge fan of Byrne but scape goating isn't good analysis by any stretch of the imagination.
Who missed two drops at goals? RB wasn’t the reason we lost. I agree RB appeared to have a niggle injury or picked up a bang early on. He was limping for a while.
Leinster haven’t been put under pressure all year La Rochelle where lucky to get out of there group Northampton didn’t turn up on the day ! First team not allowed to play in south Africa! We’re under no pressure all year! Weren’t battle hardened! Munster would get 3 players on the Leinster team! But I think they would have beaten Toulouse! But then again they can leave home and fight
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It seems mad to me that Frawley is the backup 10 in the biggest game of the year, but gets little or no playing time at 10. Ross Byrne is no treat running with the ball. I can't understand why Frawley isn't getting more time at 10 during the year. For me Leo and Co. have made up their minds that the Byrnes are better and given Frawley no chance to perform in a match as big as this. Madness, Leo needs to have a serous look at his role in leaving Ross on the field as long as he did.
I put a lot of the blame on Cullen for not giving Frawley a chance early in the season. He was much more of a threat in the minuets he was on the field.
I think if Frawley had played more time at ten over the last few seasons he would have been a legitimate alternative to Jack Crowley in the Irish set up. Munster backed Crowley and he got the exposure he needed.
Why can’t you see ! Play your best team in the final ! What about the games leading up to the final! You have to play week after week to be ready for the big games! Oh they played ospreys couple weeks before the final! Last 3 years same thing
Hugo Keenan played against Ulster week before final ! First time he has ever played in ravenhill ! First team not allowed to play away from home if there a chance they could lose ! Oh we lost because it was the b team
I'd wonder are the players getting too much discretion, Byrne should have been hooked off before that kick and where was the message to have some respect and take the points when on offer.
Look lads if it were an amateur GAA team Leo Cullen would be after getting the chop by now...
There are absolutely no excuses !
Time, money, players, staff he's had it all 🤷♂️
Leinsters attack has gone to mush since neinbars arrival..leaving JDF Conan and Ryan your best ball carriers on the bench was madness...leinster need to buy in a quality 10.
Funny, when Sexton landed that last second match-winning drop goals a few years ago in Paris, I don’t remember so many Irishmen endlessly chanting the « fine margins » mantra or insisting on the « different conversation » if he had missed😂
You obviously weren't paying attention then I guess, we were all saying it 🤷♂️
What? You're just making stuff up now!!
@@stephendoherty981 When you have learnt to read, you might just notice i wrote "I don't remember"
Well, then, fair enough
the focus (obsession ?) on La Rochelle was negative. La Rochelle is average this year. Jeff is right. The final two were different and superior
It is understandable, giving who La Rochelle coach is. You are right , only 5th in Top 14 now. Also if Leinster coaching team believed their Toulouse counterparts had not devised the way to perform in this match, it was negative too.
So the scape goat is Ross Byrne, even though most of the Leinster pack were average at best, aside from at scrumtime.
You 3 are bigging up Frawley while forgetting that he was the 10 on the pitch when Toulouse pulled away in extra time. And yes, Lowe got carded but Toulouse lost a player too.
NO Leinster player excelled at the weekend. Not one. Saying Byrne was 'rubbish' is cack analysis.
Thanks for the comment. If the video were labelled 'Harpin on....Leinster’s scapegoat" then your own analysis of it would be spot on. But it's clearly labelled as a clip, focusing on Leinster's game management, from a full pod where we look at all aspects of the match. That doesn't mean we fully agreed with your take, just that you've missed the fact that you didn't fully get ours.
@@HarpinOnRugbyYT I listened to all of your 'insight' and the vast majority of it was criticising one player. If you call Byrnes performance 'rubbish', which is what one of you did, then you're going to get called out for being a terrible analyst.
Not even 1 Leinster player stood out at the weekend. Doris was probably the best of the forwards but giving away that stupid penalty at the breakdown towards the end was unforgiveable. The ref clearly said hands off and he didn't listen. Where was the 'enforcer' McCarthy? Where was Bairds athleticism? Where was the huge impact the bench was supposed to offer? From a forwards perspective, the only positive was the scrum.
When the WHOLE team don't perform collectively, putting the vast majority of the blame on Byrne is scape goating at its finest. He nailed his kicks. The center partnership outside him are average. Larmour is average too (despite his recent decent performances). Keenan did nothing in attack.
The main issue here is that most of these Leinster players aren't as match fit and battle hardened as they should be. The strategy of resting players for 3 weeks before these games is a bad one but the Leinster management didn't learn anything from previous years. That was the main issue, not Byrnes performance.
@@PB22559 not arguing with any of your points on the match. Just that you once again are ignoring the fact that the video is a CLIP from an hour long pod where we went over pretty much everything you discuss. Call it out as bad analysis if you want but as far as I'm concerned the video stays on point when it comes to the title.
@@HarpinOnRugbyYT Calling one player 'rubbish' is scape goating considering NONE of Leinsters forwards and backs performed well.
Leinsters below par performance wasn't Byrnes fault. Again, Leinster lost the game when Frawley was at 10, not Byrne. I didn't hear any of you mention that crucial fact.
I'm saying all of this and I'm not even a huge fan of Byrne but scape goating isn't good analysis by any stretch of the imagination.
Who missed two drops at goals? RB wasn’t the reason we lost. I agree RB appeared to have a niggle injury or picked up a bang early on. He was limping for a while.
Leinster haven’t been put under pressure all year La Rochelle where lucky to get out of there group Northampton didn’t turn up on the day ! First team not allowed to play in south Africa! We’re under no pressure all year! Weren’t battle hardened! Munster would get 3 players on the Leinster team! But I think they would have beaten Toulouse! But then again they can leave home and fight