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I'm soooo bored of Leo, he has no charisma.

wow, you lads are pretty brutal

is Cullen really the issue? wasn't he part of the coaching team that shaped the best attack in Europe? Are the problems not obvious after a season? Out half is the big problem . The other , to me, obvious thing, is that the focus on the Nienaber defence has created a different shape to the team which seems also to be impacting attack.Its also giving very obvious attack points for other teams at the top level. No offence to Glasgow who are a quality team but the fact they beat the Bulls in the final in Pretoria illustrates those points about Leinster even more.

Culllen is pro14 Manager masquerading as a URC Manager.

He has to go...

Maybe nothing wrong with Leinster coach and players. Consider SA players just being better and better coached. Even though we are always seen as under rated. Maybe not much one can do about it. No mstter who you appoint.

Maybe he should be Director of rugby, not coach. When coaches or CEOs of organisations start losing in whatever way, or losing the touch, the underlying causes are often multiple, subtle and hard to ID. You then get debates like this one with everyone sitting on the fence after moaning but then saying it’s not personal et al. Sometimes it’s best to bite the bullet. (Trust me Nienaber will, by now, know the answer to what you are discussing but he won’t be saying it)

Cullen gets a free pass every year .

Massive resources my arse. Most homegrown team in comp they are not allowed go and just buy what they want in any position. They have to push through there own

I don’t think you can underestimate the signal that Farrell has sent by excluding the Byrnes from the international squad. It’s a direct attack on Cullen’s judgment, and maybe a signal of tension behind the scenes. Could he leave this summer? He’s on a rolling one year contract, right?

Leinster lost at home against the Bulls 2 years back with Lancaster and they lost to Larochelle so they look pretty much the same. Since SA joined the URC Leinster started losing big games 2 semifinals again the Bulls in 3 years. If I look at Irish rugby I would say it's pretty much the standard to lose big games.

Farrell's selection of Frawley and Prendergast over the Byrne Bros was a coded message to Cullen: "You dont know what you're doing". The guy is out of his depth.

Make Jaques the head coach asap

As a South African, here is my thoughts. Leinster is one of the best club sides I have ever seen. Their depth is unbelievable. I put them right up there with the Crusaders with Carter and McCaw and the Bulls team from 2007 to 2010. Their lack of success over the last three seasons is unbelievable. I think their biggest problem is how they rotate their players. Nienaber will never do it the way Leinster is doing it. Look at how it worked at the Springboks. In 20 test matches leading up to the world cup South Africa used 54 players. They only played the same starting 15 twice in consecutive games. At the same time they only once made more than ten changes to the match day 23 and they list that game. When they rested players they still kept many or most of their first choice players in the team. It builds confidence in your second string players. Rassie always said if you are good enough to be in the squad you are good enough to start. Leinster need to build that in their team. This is the third year since we have joined the URC and Saturday was the first time most of the Leinster top players played at Loftus. I don't care how experienced you are going to a new stadium especially at altitude is something else. Our fans are also not the friendliest, but unlike the French they do speak enough English for players to understand. Leinster had enough games in South Africa in the last three years to have given all their players a game or two in South Africa. The fact that they didn't is mind-blowing. They either don't rate the SA teams which will be strange seing that they lost in a playoff against the Bulls in Ireland and SA teams have hosted the last two URC finals. Had Leinster send better teams to South Africa during the log phase they never would have had to travel to Pretoria. The mighty Crusaders have lost every semi final they played at Loftus. That should have been enough of a warning.

Great debate guys. Irrespective of how things go next season - it will be Leo's last season in my opinion. Stuart Lancaster should never have been allowed to leave Leinster. A year ago we should have transitioned to Stuart with Leo stepping aside or stepped back.

how can those players be top of Europe with ireland but not even win the URC with Leinster? Facts don't lie. Leo is a dead weight

It would make sense for Leo to move into a more back room, director of Rugby/performance type role, although who knows if he would want to do that, and bring in someone else as head coach. The jury is out on whether Nienaber would be the right man for that role, but what other candidates are out there?

Leinsters beautiful hive minded attack has gone , pretty much all season, Leo has had ample time and resource's to replace Sexton , which he has failed miserably to do, his choices of resting the International players has cost the club dearly. He needs to go, it is a business and Leo is failing to deliver. Leinsters are looking their poorest they have been for many years. The A team simply are not playing enough Rugby as well as coaching issues and bad management calls. The saying 3 strikes and you are out is so relevant in Leo's case, we don't need a fourth strike. Andy Farrell has a job and a half to get something out of these Leinster players in a few weeks time against South Africa, which looking at them now looks like an impossible task. Stuart Lancaster had this team flying with beautiful Rugby and the Top job should have been offered to him and Leo retired. Again, it is a business and with the amount of resources at Leinster's disposal there is no excuse to hold on nostalgia.

The stand and sling 10 is finished. The Byrne brothers are like robots and there’s a reason why our attack can’t function with them. Frawley is the best all round 10 at the club and Prendergarst has a Finn Russell nature to him. Farrell sees them as the two best 10s at Leinster and so do all Leinster supporters who turn out week on week. If Cullen can’t see this he needs to leave the organisation

Leo, Nienaber, McBryde and O'Brien all need to go. The defensive system works when you have an endless supply of roided up 150kg monsters and 3 Usain Bolts out wide. It doesn't work when you abide by the rules and don't use PED's. The work around contact has been frankly abysmal. O'Brien is responsible for that. Our maul is the worst in the URC. Our scrum is farcically bad and has been for years. McBryde shouldve been sacked 2 years ago let alone now. Leo will always be a club legend. But enough is enough. His insistence on the Byrne brothers and McGrath has cost us yet again. Time to move on.

I wonder would it be a different conversation if frawley lands that drop goal 😮

Goi ng for niabar to play sa game are they going to bri ng more sa players we dont breed them ,world cup win 3games by 1pt ,thats unbelievable luck

It is very disappointing to have lost 3 consecutive Champions Cup finals narrowly to the best teams in Europe. However, it is an absolute shame and disgrace to have not made a final in the URC since its inception. The winning culture needs to be fostered in the league first and foremost. Leinster were in a state of flux this year with the departure of Sexton and Lancaster and the late starts of Nienaber and Goodman. Focus needed to be narrowed to the league this year. With more time for the new coaches and an infusion of new players next season Leinster would be better placed to compete in both competition, and they could be going in as league champions. Cullen has to answer for that.

I think McBryde needs to go.

If Leinster are as well resourced as all the other team's fanbases like to claim, open the coffers and get Noel McNamara out of Bordeaux. The entire coaching ticket needs to go. The last 3 years results are totally unacceptable and Leo never learns. The Goodman appointment to Ireland camp needs investigating because the level of regression seen this season is shocking.

I noticed, in the last 20 minutes, that Leinster were very slow in the rucks to get someone into the 9 position when Murray was not available.

A very Leinster-centric discussion. One would swear it were Leinstermen discussing a Leinster game.

I am a Saffa and a Bulls supporter.but I'm not here to rub it in. We have so much respect for Irish rugby, and I supported Leinster in every Champions Cup final. All of those were very difficult losses to take. One thing I have said since last year is that Ross Byrne is not good enough. Leinster's attacking play did regress, and one of the reasons I think is that you never had a settled center pairing. This may have been due to injuries as well. One plus for Ireland is Bundee Aki. If he can keep the same form, he will make a big difference.

Get ready for the Saffa comments.

The cotton wool approach has created a mentally weak team that cant win a dog fight. Plus our 10 is putrid.

It seems therenis a reluctance to discuss the obvious with Leinster and IRA for that matter. Leinster was beaten this weekend by n sly fox coach and his tactics. The Bulls were hungrier... It seems IRA and Leinster success leads them to believe they deserve to be in the final... They probably had the final vs Munster already planned in their minds. This is why they are incapable of winning these games. A hungrier opponent will win most of these times as history has proven. Now why not discuss the officiating of the game. That was atrocious and i would have been embarrassed had my team won like that. You MAY also comment if it is this blatant.

3 years in a row now, making the same mistakes over an over an expecting different results, leo has to go, an of coure so should mister 14 week defence, 14 weeks me hole the defence is the worst its been in years, the team is as bad as its been since the mat o connor years, attack now, non existing. Glad hes going, not so much that he's going to Ireland. Its the coaches fault look at what andy can do with basically the same player for ireland. at least last year we where good to watch while winning nothing. Ive never been bored or turned off as many games with frustration year, box kick after box kick, knock on after knock on cause we never play the same bloody team two weeks a row.

Do you think Ireland will learn from this defeat and give the Boks a go??

Before the game I made Leinster winners with 15 points. Bulls were awesome

Feel for you guys...I just think Leinster lacked passion.🇿🇦

Jake White is a sly fox and a very good coach. Having said that. As Bulls supporter I did give them less than 50% chance to win. Really proud of my team. They will still get better and next year you will have to be much better

Knock out rugby requires more intensity...

Hard luck, gents. I think Leinster will be better off for the experience -- most of their frontline players had never played in SA before. They'll come back stronger next season

As a South african I feel a bit for Leinster. Sport can be a cruel mistress. Best of luck to them next season and looking forward to the Irish series Next month! Cheers guys

Why would you be nervous lads? 🤷🏻‍♂️ It’s the Bulls, not Stade Toulousain. They scraped by Treviso last week. And they now have a load of injuries, while we’re fully loaded.

Funny how Irish pundits keep overestimating the strength of Leinster's bench. Two years ago already, before the Leinster v LAR final, O'gara was saying their analysis showed that Leinster was losing games in the final 20 minutes. This doesn't seem to have change this year judging by the extra-time against Toulouse.

No need worrying, if they keep trying long enough, they most likely will finally win a big knock-out game

It is nice to see Irish teams playing to their full potential and becoming a force to be reckoned with in the Northern hemisphere. They play a brand of rugby that we respect in South Africa and the upcoming game against the Bulls is going to be epic. May the best team win!

I did not listen to Off the Ball to hear Ross being slated. I heard it right here in the last episode. I agree with the man who said slated him too. Good show lads. Enjoy the insights.

"A zero point loss" 🤣🤣🤣 You harpin' clowns never cease to amaze!

Tottenham was great stadium, was in premium - no problem with food, beer, Seven sisters underground was 5 km away, overland train to and from Liverpool street 👌

Look lads if it were an amateur GAA team Leo Cullen would be after getting the chop by now... There are absolutely no excuses ! Time, money, players, staff he's had it all 🤷‍♂️

" i cant remenber Toulouse playing well." at 8 (Mark Jackson). What an ignorant and bias statement!!

I put a lot of the blame on Cullen for not giving Frawley a chance early in the season. He was much more of a threat in the minuets he was on the field.

I'd wonder are the players getting too much discretion, Byrne should have been hooked off before that kick and where was the message to have some respect and take the points when on offer.