JMRI might be great if you are running all 1 co locos though issues can happen if you are mixing older with newer loco, though with a mix brand scenario it might be easier to dump every power motor you have and start with the same motor in each loco chassis,, this solution might not be a good option for most however it may the only option if you want to avoid this problem in the future.. a slight variation in power can screw things up..
I think you just put out a 'cliff hanger'. I want to click the next episode right now to see how the speed matching effort progresses! Nice explanation of the controller functions and setting us up for next week. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Roy. Learned new things. I haven’t ventured into DCC yet. I do have one DCC locomotive. My Galloping Goose. Mostly what I have or will run are powered A units with dummy B units. Keeping on tracking!
Thanks, Ken. I have to believe that running dummy B units would be easier than speed matching B units. Unfortunately, no one makes dummy units in N scale to the best of my knowledge, and I'm reluctant to rip good motors out of units to create dummy units. I just wish that dummy units were available in N scale. ...Roy
Roy, Great stuff, I can see this series of video's is going to be very helpfull for all of us. Now that intermission has arrived I'm going to have my Pop-corn bucket and drink container refilled so I'm all ready for next weeks episode. Many Thanks. Cheers, Chris Perry.
I certainly hope it's useful, Chris. One thing is certain: I'm learning as I go, and it's a pleasure to share what I'm learning with you. I will see you at next week's show. Can you bring some extra popcorn?! ...Roy
I can see a oppurtunity for a fully automated program for speed matching Roy. Build a test track with dispatch and recieving yards, place the locos in the yard, enter loco addresses, then the program runs the loco through a test run to get it warm, checks the speed at different ranges in forward and reverse, sends each loco to the receiving yard and logs the data. Say there are 10 locos to speed match, then all the rest are matched by the computer to the slowest loco after the the full 10 have been run and are sitting in the receiving yard. The user could then tweak settings if necessary. In this way any of the batch of ten (or however many in the initial batch) can be coupled together. All the work is in the set up then the computer just does it. I'm just an ideas man and have no idea of the difficulties of my ramblings ...
Awesome video. You packed this full of tid bits of knowledge. I learned a lot in this video. Like to circle track, great idea for speed matching, no differences than in the track. Thanks for sharing, cannot wait to see the next video. 👍🏼👍🏼
Absolutely, my friend. Speed matching is one of those tasks that we may not enjoy - like wiring, ballasting, and track cleaning. But it really can improve the way our trains operate. ...Roy
Wish you good luck Roy, speed matching your loco's. You made it sound possible that even I may have a chance to do this one day. You are a great inspiration to the model railroad community. Thanks Roy.
Yes, we certainly do learn that way, my friend. I think that's true with just about everything we do in the hobby. When I came back to the hobby in 2014 after being out of it for nearly 30 years, I had to learn all kinds of new things and re-learn all of the things I used to know but forgot. ...Roy
Hi Roy, since I run on DC speed matching really isn't an option for me. However I did take all my locomotives and run them on a test track at an intermediate voltage and measured the distance they traveled over a set time. I could have used additional voltage settings and ran more tests, but I decided to keep it simple. The set time was a constant for all locomotives. I would record the distance traveled when at this setting for each locomotive, and based on the results I grouped them into three even categories (slow, medium, fast) and assigned them a certain color sticker with the distance traveled written on the sticker. When building a consist I would generally only group locomotives that were from the same category with the fastest locomotives up front with the "slightly" slower ones trailing so that there was more of a continuous force in the consist and being applied to the train. Now this may not be the most ideal way to run locomotives, but I've been able to run 4 or 5 locomotive consists without too much trouble. Of course over time as locomotives wear and get used their performance changes and can degrade, and thus their values change. So I consider my assigned values just as "guides". Thanks for the video and I look forward to seeing how your speed matching turns out.
Wow, I'm both impressed (with you) and depressed (with me) in thinking about speed matching on my layout. I will enjoy learning more and how to introduce JMRI on my layout. Thanks, Roy!! - Dean from Minnesota
Thanks, Dean. You're always so kind, and I sincerely appreciate it. JMRI is a bit complicated and has a bit of a learning curve, but once we know how to use it, it certainly makes life as a model railroader much better. I know I'm still learning how to use it bit by bit, but I've got a long way to go. ...Roy
I run all kato locos with TCS k1d4 decoders and find that helps with speed matching. As a starting point I often set min to 4, mid 35 and max 70 (cv values) the also sync up with the factory loksound decoders nicely if you turn off the cv124
Thanks, Peter. I wish I had been using TCS decoders from the beginning, rather than a mix of TCS and Digitrax decoders. I certainly will be sticking with TCS from now on. Thanks for that info about loksound decoders, because I have them in a couple of my locos, but I haven't found CV-124 on the lists. I guess I'll have to go back and look more carefully for it. ...Roy
Profesor Roy...Que serioso...but actually what a great educational video! I felt I was back in university attending MRR 101. Wish there was such a class! Thanks for the lesson and I am looking forward to seeing how you actually speed match the Roy way. Really appreciate your videos...Thanks again. John
Me, too, John. I wish there was such a real university. I would want to get a degree in Model Railroading from it. Thanks for coming along, my friend. ...Roy
One interesting point, to me anyway :) is that with a short circle, the speedometer can be used with long term averaging. Electric motor characteristics do change as a function of temperature. As the motor gets warmer, it takes more current to produce the same amount of torque as when colder. There are equations to calculate thermal rise and thermal equilibrium of a motor but you won't know the detailed characteristics necessary to compute them. [Long background in electric motors and robotics, industrial and commercial applications] Instead, you can run your diesels around and around, recording the speed each time by. No longer are you bound by a one time, instantaneous value. You can take as many as your patience will permit. This is a good thing! Velocity is a tricky subject for most folks. Short term perturbations in timing yield dramatic variation in velocity. Long term averaging *fixes this* ! By taking, say 50 readings, the short term variations wash out and the long term trend emerges. You can do this as you are warming the motor up (reaching thermal equilibrium). Record the value each time by. Besides, what else are you doing then??? A trend will emerge as equilibrium is reached. Further, you will know _when it is reached_ . Another useful facility is to extend the distance traveled by the diesel involved in the timing. For this application, I would suggest the entire circle, taking lap times. The longer the displacement, the less effect of purtebations on the resultant velocity. I hope this helped. If you have any questions I'd be glad to clarify.
You're right, my friend. The speedometer does indeed fit on, and can be used on, the circle of curved track. Well, I haven't actually used it there, but I have checked and it does fit. Thanks for sharing your knowledge of motor characters. I really appreciate it. ...Roy
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 Using the speedometer will let you know that thermal equilibrium has been reached. From the initial lap, the velocity will show variation on each lap by. As the motor temperature rises, coming closer and closer to equilibrium, the velocity variation will diminish. The temperature curve is asymtotic. That is, the motor temperature delta for each lap will diminish, all the while raising the motor temperature. Eventually, the delta will get very close to zero, and that is when you will see it in the velocity stability. Be very careful to treat each different velocity in the same manner. The motor acts like a resistor, which will generate heat as a function of current. The amount of energy injected into the motor will change the thermal equilibrium point. It is my guess that the reason so many have trouble with speed matching is that there is a fundamental lack of understanding of how motors work. Take your time, don't rush it!! Reach thermal equilibrium before adjusting your CVs. This will result in a terrific speed match! Good luck Roy
Roy: I am modeling the earlier diesel era. So I can find Some B units but not in the line that I am modeling. I have dummy A and B units for my passenger trains. Most of the A and B dummy units I got from eBay and they are mostly ConCor. Eventually I will have repaint and decal units. That shouldn’t be difficult since it is not hard to apply gray paint. Just a low priority. Running trains like you do looks neat, and as Steve Brown says, “Its your railroad.” You can do what you want. You are doing pretty darn good.
when I speed match I take the slowest one and match the faster one down to match that way I only have to do one. Plus like you I take apart both apart and deep clean both locos .
Absolutely, Will, I've learned that adjusting the CV's in one loco to match the other is way better than trying to adjust the CV's in both of them. ...Roy
Absolutely, John. The circle of track was inspired by several people including you, most recently. Thanks for helping me learn that there is a better way to do speed matching. ...Roy
@@chazco HI Chuck it was sometime last year (2018). It is a great way to do it and I'm really glad Roy's going to give it even more exposure. Speed matching doesn't have to be difficult!
One of my favorite quotes says that one thing that's completely free to share is knowledge. Making something like speed matching easy is a great way to promote the hobby and it doesn't cost anyone a dime. Share the knowledge and it will increase everyone's access to more enjoyment in the hobby. That's what it's all about for me!
hi Roy... i would really like to change loco addresses & to speed match them but i am having problems with my JMRI...no matter which loco i put on my program track i get the same fault codes... "no response from loco"..."no loco detected" & "time out do to long response time from command station"...unlike you i am using Digitrax..i have 6 locos with address 3... i have tried a second interface...new cable that connect the computer to program track...uninstalled & reinstalled JMRI...i know we use different DCC systems but we do have one thing in common & that is JMRI...,so any thoughts you might have would be welcomed...thx for sharing...vinny
Hiya Vinny! I don't use JMRI to program new loco addresses, although it certainly can be used for that. Instead, I put my new locos on my programming track and program them there using my PowerCab throttle, regardless of what brand of decoder I'm re-programming. I'm not sure why you're not getting a response. When I don't get a response, I reset my decoders to the factory settings, doing it according to the decoder instructions. For example, on my Digitrax decoders, I reset CV 8 to 008. Then I proceed to proceed to program the loco's 4-digit road number again. Of course, this has to be done on the programming track, rather than on the mainline, to avoid re-programming all of the other locos that may be sitting on the layout, but I'm sure you already know that. ...Roy
Hi Roy glad to see you teaching again. One question, do you know if this JRMI. Work basically the same for Digitrax??? Thank you for the class and will see you Tuesday
That's probably a wise decision, Bob. In any event, DCC and DC each have advantages and disadvantages. I modeled in DC in the past, but decided to complicate my life with DCC this time around. We'll see how far DCC takes me. ...Roy
Great start - I'm very interested doing this too. A specific question: I think you said you are matching 1 loco to another. Does this mean that you will always use those 2 together or are you matching ALL your locos to the same criteria/settings so you can mix & match which locos you MU? Thx for all you provide us.
Thanks, JB. It's a pleasure to share the hobby with you. That's what I'm planning to do at this time. That is, I'm planning to speed match two diesels together for now, rather than trying to speed match the entire fleet, and will always run those two diesel together in consist. Of course, I can always come back later on and speed match the entire fleet together, if I so decide. ...Roy
Roy, Great video again and I look forward to the next part. Many of your trial and errors I have also tried and been in the same frustrating situations you mentioned. Question for you??? Any Pros/Cons why you are not going directly from your NCE Command Station with a Serial Device to USB Port Adapter to your Mac Book Pro. Then from the NCE Command Station to either your programming track or your circle of track. Your way works but I wondered if you found going through a UTP panel to an NCE USB adapter had some benefits. I'm currently bypassing using the UTP panel. Any thoughts? Thanks, Tony
Thanks for your comment, Tony. In response to your question, I can only say that I hooked it up according to the instructions. In fact, I currently have only one PCP panel on my layout and no UTP panels, which you mentioned. That may make a difference, although I'm not sure of that. The kind of cable that runs from the USB adapter (or rather, interface) to my MacBook Pro can only run from the adapter/interface to the laptop and not directly from the PCP panel because of the type of plugs it has on each end (USB A-B plugs). That is, it cannot be plugged directly into the PCP panel.
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 I was going to do the same as you have set up. However, when I went to order the NCE USB adpater I was talked into bypassing that and going directly from the Command Station with the Serial Adapter-USB cord. I've only used it a few times for programming and setting CV's but so far works great. I'm looking forward to seeing the next part in your speed matching series. Very interesting stuff. Tony
Because I model the area of southwestern Wyoming and northeastern Utah through which the UP runs. Why modern era? Because that’s what I like, and personal preference is the only real reason I need. As they say, “It’s my railroad.” It’s based on the real prototype, again as a matter of personal preference, as I’ve described in numerous previos videos. ...Roy
If I were just starting out, I would want to consider Rail Pro, but converting a medium or large size layout to Rail Pro might be too challenging. In addition, I read somewhere that Rail Pro doesn't work with N scale. ...Roy
Hi Roy great video I model British rail west coast main line in the 1980s in and around Lancaster and heysham harbour and stranraer harbour in Scotland with intercity boat trains to and from London euston in oo gauge with diesel electric and 25kv electric locomotives on my layout clive in the uk
It seems like there are model railroaders everywhere, Clive, except here in Panama where, to the best of my knowledge, I'm the only model railroader in the whole country. Good to hear from you! ...Roy
Hi Roy there are lots of railway modeles in UK I am a member of the Ulster model railway club must model in oo/ho gauge with some model in n gauge clive
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 build quality in the engine can be different per model you run and power motor can be different on how it drives loco a can have the output of 10 whilst loco b has the same output at 5 or 15 depending on the power of the loco IRL as far as Im aware if they run more than 2 locos either the 3rd or 4th is usually the weakest link and ran as the shunter not sure what I have said will help fix your issues completely however it might explain why you have issues with certain loco setups you run you might want to check if there is power profile update for all locos you run to see if that fixes the speed ans power issues you are having there to be sure you have fixed
Thanks, Roy, the more of these speed matching videos that I watch the more I realise just how fortunate I am not to be running any diesels!!!!
I hear you, my friend. In my case, I'm sort of stuck with trying to speed match my diesels, having decided to model a modern era layout. ...Roy
JMRI is quick and easy to speed match. The end result is always right on!
JMRI might be great if you are running all 1 co locos though issues can happen if you are mixing older with newer loco, though with a mix brand scenario it might be easier to dump every power motor you have and start with the same motor in each loco chassis,,
this solution might not be a good option for most however it may the only option if you want to avoid this problem in the future.. a slight variation in power can screw things up..
this will be a good series to come back and referance over and over and over again. or until my memory kicks in
Thanks, Sparky. I'm learning as I go. I really appreciate the opportunity to share what I'm learning with you. ...Roy
I think you just put out a 'cliff hanger'. I want to click the next episode right now to see how the speed matching effort progresses! Nice explanation of the controller functions and setting us up for next week. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Tim. I just hope this method of speed matching works. If not, I will be in big trouble. ...Roy
Thanks Roy. Learned new things. I haven’t ventured into DCC yet. I do have one DCC locomotive. My Galloping Goose. Mostly what I have or will run are powered A units with dummy B units. Keeping on tracking!
Thanks, Ken. I have to believe that running dummy B units would be easier than speed matching B units. Unfortunately, no one makes dummy units in N scale to the best of my knowledge, and I'm reluctant to rip good motors out of units to create dummy units. I just wish that dummy units were available in N scale. ...Roy
Roy, Great stuff, I can see this series of video's is going to be very helpfull for all of us. Now that intermission has arrived I'm going to have my Pop-corn bucket and drink container refilled so I'm all ready for next weeks episode. Many Thanks. Cheers, Chris Perry.
I certainly hope it's useful, Chris. One thing is certain: I'm learning as I go, and it's a pleasure to share what I'm learning with you. I will see you at next week's show. Can you bring some extra popcorn?! ...Roy
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 Roy, Pop-corn, it's a done deal. Cheers, Chris Perry.
What a cliffhanger! Great video and will be watching for the next one. Thanks for sharing. Dave
Thanks, Dave. it's a pleasure the share the hobby with you, even a challenging topic like speed matching. I will see you next time. ...Roy
I can see a oppurtunity for a fully automated program for speed matching Roy. Build a test track with dispatch and recieving yards, place the locos in the yard, enter loco addresses, then the program runs the loco through a test run to get it warm, checks the speed at different ranges in forward and reverse, sends each loco to the receiving yard and logs the data. Say there are 10 locos to speed match, then all the rest are matched by the computer to the slowest loco after the the full 10 have been run and are sitting in the receiving yard. The user could then tweak settings if necessary. In this way any of the batch of ten (or however many in the initial batch) can be coupled together. All the work is in the set up then the computer just does it.
I'm just an ideas man and have no idea of the difficulties of my ramblings ...
Now that's a great idea, my friend: fully-automated speed matching, I mean. I just wish model railroad manufacturers would discover that. ...Roy
Awesome video. You packed this full of tid bits of knowledge. I learned a lot in this video. Like to circle track, great idea for speed matching, no differences than in the track. Thanks for sharing, cannot wait to see the next video. 👍🏼👍🏼
Can’t wait to see next week video, I agree it’s a pain to match.
Absolutely, my friend. Speed matching is one of those tasks that we may not enjoy - like wiring, ballasting, and track cleaning. But it really can improve the way our trains operate. ...Roy
Wish you good luck Roy, speed matching your loco's. You made it sound possible that even I may have a chance to do this one day. You are a great inspiration to the model railroad community. Thanks Roy.
Thanks, Rob. I'm going to need that good luck. Well, if I can do it, then I think anyone can. ...Roy
Morning Roy, as all ways a good video. We oft learn more from failures than successes.
Yes, we certainly do learn that way, my friend. I think that's true with just about everything we do in the hobby. When I came back to the hobby in 2014 after being out of it for nearly 30 years, I had to learn all kinds of new things and re-learn all of the things I used to know but forgot. ...Roy
Hi Roy, yes, please, keep it simple. Thanks for not overwhelming me. See ya Tuesday.
You betcha, Norman. Model railroading shouldn't be so complex that it gives us a headache. ...Roy
Hi Roy, since I run on DC speed matching really isn't an option for me. However I did take all my locomotives and run them on a test track at an intermediate voltage and measured
the distance they traveled over a set time. I could have used additional voltage settings and ran more tests, but I decided to keep it simple. The set time was a constant
for all locomotives. I would record the distance traveled when at this setting for each locomotive, and based on the results I grouped them into three even categories (slow, medium, fast) and
assigned them a certain color sticker with the distance traveled written on the sticker. When building a consist I would generally only group locomotives that were from
the same category with the fastest locomotives up front with the "slightly" slower ones trailing so that there was more of a continuous force in the consist and being applied to the train.
Now this may not be the most ideal way to run locomotives, but I've been able to run 4 or 5 locomotive consists without too much trouble. Of course over time as locomotives wear and
get used their performance changes and can degrade, and thus their values change. So I consider my assigned values just as "guides". Thanks for the video and I look forward to
seeing how your speed matching turns out.
Interesting, Steven. Thanks for sharing your DC technique. I really appreciate it. ...Roy
Great topic Roy will be watching this video series as I may do something like this at some point with my layout
Thanks, William. See you at Part 3 in the speed matching series on Saturday (and on Tuesday night for Dispatch). ...Roy
Wow, I'm both impressed (with you) and depressed (with me) in thinking about speed matching on my layout. I will enjoy learning more and how to introduce JMRI on my layout. Thanks, Roy!! - Dean from Minnesota
Thanks, Dean. You're always so kind, and I sincerely appreciate it. JMRI is a bit complicated and has a bit of a learning curve, but once we know how to use it, it certainly makes life as a model railroader much better. I know I'm still learning how to use it bit by bit, but I've got a long way to go. ...Roy
I run all kato locos with TCS k1d4 decoders and find that helps with speed matching. As a starting point I often set min to 4, mid 35 and max 70 (cv values) the also sync up with the factory loksound decoders nicely if you turn off the cv124
Thanks, Peter. I wish I had been using TCS decoders from the beginning, rather than a mix of TCS and Digitrax decoders. I certainly will be sticking with TCS from now on. Thanks for that info about loksound decoders, because I have them in a couple of my locos, but I haven't found CV-124 on the lists. I guess I'll have to go back and look more carefully for it. ...Roy
Hooray! Another Mac/NCE user! Following with interest!
You betcha, Eric. Mac and NCE are the only way to fly in this hobby (in my humble opinion). ...Roy
Looking forward to see how you do it, hope it's a lot simpler than others....thanks for sharing....Jack
Thanks, Jack. It should be a lot simpler than the methods I tried in the past. And hopefully a lot more successful, too. ...Roy
Hi Roy great video and yes speed matching isn't a five minute job. Look forward to next saturday. And I will also be watching your dispatch show.
Thanks, my friend. See you at Part 3 in the speed matching series on Saturday (and on Tuesday night for Dispatch). ...Roy
This is a great heads up. Thanks
Thanks, Craig. See you for the next episode. ...Roy
Thanx Roy. Im Eric. New but not inexperienced and am starting with 70 feet of track in a U shape
.. Looking to YOU as my primary guidebook.
Thanks, Eric. We're all in this together, learning as we go. Thank you for letting me share this amazing hobby with you. ...Roy
Profesor Roy...Que serioso...but actually what a great educational video! I felt I was back in university attending MRR 101. Wish there was such a class! Thanks for the lesson and I am looking forward to seeing how you actually speed match the Roy way. Really appreciate your videos...Thanks again. John
Me, too, John. I wish there was such a real university. I would want to get a degree in Model Railroading from it. Thanks for coming along, my friend. ...Roy
Can't wait to see the next part
One interesting point, to me anyway :) is that with a short circle, the speedometer can be used with long term averaging.
Electric motor characteristics do change as a function of temperature. As the motor gets warmer, it takes more current to produce the same amount of torque as when colder. There are equations to calculate thermal rise and thermal equilibrium of a motor but you won't know the detailed characteristics necessary to compute them. [Long background in electric motors and robotics, industrial and commercial applications]
Instead, you can run your diesels around and around, recording the speed each time by. No longer are you bound by a one time, instantaneous value. You can take as many as your patience will permit. This is a good thing!
Velocity is a tricky subject for most folks. Short term perturbations in timing yield dramatic variation in velocity. Long term averaging *fixes this* ! By taking, say 50 readings, the short term variations wash out and the long term trend emerges. You can do this as you are warming the motor up (reaching thermal equilibrium). Record the value each time by. Besides, what else are you doing then??? A trend will emerge as equilibrium is reached. Further, you will know _when it is reached_ .
Another useful facility is to extend the distance traveled by the diesel involved in the timing. For this application, I would suggest the entire circle, taking lap times. The longer the displacement, the less effect of purtebations on the resultant velocity.
I hope this helped. If you have any questions I'd be glad to clarify.
You're right, my friend. The speedometer does indeed fit on, and can be used on, the circle of curved track. Well, I haven't actually used it there, but I have checked and it does fit. Thanks for sharing your knowledge of motor characters. I really appreciate it. ...Roy
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 Using the speedometer will let you know that thermal equilibrium has been reached.
From the initial lap, the velocity will show variation on each lap by. As the motor temperature rises, coming closer and closer to equilibrium, the velocity variation will diminish.
The temperature curve is asymtotic. That is, the motor temperature delta for each lap will diminish, all the while raising the motor temperature. Eventually, the delta will get very close to zero, and that is when you will see it in the velocity stability.
Be very careful to treat each different velocity in the same manner. The motor acts like a resistor, which will generate heat as a function of current. The amount of energy injected into the motor will change the thermal equilibrium point.
It is my guess that the reason so many have trouble with speed matching is that there is a fundamental lack of understanding of how motors work.
Take your time, don't rush it!! Reach thermal equilibrium before adjusting your CVs. This will result in a terrific speed match!
Good luck Roy
Roy: I am modeling the earlier diesel era. So I can find Some B units but not in the line that I am modeling. I have dummy A and B units for my passenger trains. Most of the A and B dummy units I got from eBay and they are mostly ConCor. Eventually I will have repaint and decal units. That shouldn’t be difficult since it is not hard to apply gray paint. Just a low priority. Running trains like you do looks neat, and as Steve Brown says, “Its your railroad.” You can do what you want. You are doing pretty darn good.
when I speed match I take the slowest one and match the faster one down to match that way I only have to do one. Plus like you I take apart both apart and deep clean both locos .
Absolutely, Will, I've learned that adjusting the CV's in one loco to match the other is way better than trying to adjust the CV's in both of them. ...Roy
What a swell idea to use JMRI and a circle of track! I think I know where this is going!
Absolutely, John. The circle of track was inspired by several people including you, most recently. Thanks for helping me learn that there is a better way to do speed matching. ...Roy
John, didn't I see you do this a month or so ago? Thought it was a great idea then.
Chuck
@@chazco HI Chuck it was sometime last year (2018). It is a great way to do it and I'm really glad Roy's going to give it even more exposure. Speed matching doesn't have to be difficult!
@TSG Multimedia: John, thanks again for introducing me to a much better way to do speed matching. I really appreciate it. ...Roy
One of my favorite quotes says that one thing that's completely free to share is knowledge. Making something like speed matching easy is a great way to promote the hobby and it doesn't cost anyone a dime. Share the knowledge and it will increase everyone's access to more enjoyment in the hobby. That's what it's all about for me!
Lookin forward to next Saturday then :)
Thanks, Peter. See you at Part 3 in the speed matching series on Saturday (and on Tuesday night for Dispatch). ...Roy
hi Roy... i would really like to change loco addresses & to speed match them but i am having problems with my JMRI...no matter which loco i put on my program track i get the same fault codes... "no response from loco"..."no loco detected" & "time out do to long response time from command station"...unlike you i am using Digitrax..i have 6 locos with address 3... i have tried a second interface...new cable that connect the computer to program track...uninstalled & reinstalled JMRI...i know we use different DCC systems but we do have one thing in common & that is JMRI...,so any thoughts you might have would be welcomed...thx for sharing...vinny
Hiya Vinny! I don't use JMRI to program new loco addresses, although it certainly can be used for that. Instead, I put my new locos on my programming track and program them there using my PowerCab throttle, regardless of what brand of decoder I'm re-programming. I'm not sure why you're not getting a response. When I don't get a response, I reset my decoders to the factory settings, doing it according to the decoder instructions. For example, on my Digitrax decoders, I reset CV 8 to 008. Then I proceed to proceed to program the loco's 4-digit road number again. Of course, this has to be done on the programming track, rather than on the mainline, to avoid re-programming all of the other locos that may be sitting on the layout, but I'm sure you already know that. ...Roy
Hi Roy glad to see you teaching again. One question, do you know if this JRMI. Work basically the same for Digitrax??? Thank you for the class and will see you Tuesday
Yes, Chris. JMRI works the same for Digitrax. See you on Tuesday. ...Roy
Cool vid roy thanks for all the tips
Looking forward to it.
Thanks, James. I'll see you then. ...Roy
Good video Roy. Think I'll stick with DC though lol. Cheers, Bob
That's probably a wise decision, Bob. In any event, DCC and DC each have advantages and disadvantages. I modeled in DC in the past, but decided to complicate my life with DCC this time around. We'll see how far DCC takes me. ...Roy
Great start - I'm very interested doing this too. A specific question: I think you said you are matching 1 loco to another. Does this mean that you will always use those 2 together or are you matching ALL your locos to the same criteria/settings so you can mix & match which locos you MU? Thx for all you provide us.
Thanks, JB. It's a pleasure to share the hobby with you. That's what I'm planning to do at this time. That is, I'm planning to speed match two diesels together for now, rather than trying to speed match the entire fleet, and will always run those two diesel together in consist. Of course, I can always come back later on and speed match the entire fleet together, if I so decide. ...Roy
Roy, Great video again and I look forward to the next part. Many of your trial and errors I have also tried and been in the same frustrating situations you mentioned. Question for you??? Any Pros/Cons why you are not going directly from your NCE Command Station with a Serial Device to USB Port Adapter to your Mac Book Pro. Then from the NCE Command Station to either your programming track or your circle of track. Your way works but I wondered if you found going through a UTP panel to an NCE USB adapter had some benefits. I'm currently bypassing using the UTP panel. Any thoughts? Thanks, Tony
Thanks for your comment, Tony. In response to your question, I can only say that I hooked it up according to the instructions. In fact, I currently have only one PCP panel on my layout and no UTP panels, which you mentioned. That may make a difference, although I'm not sure of that. The kind of cable that runs from the USB adapter (or rather, interface) to my MacBook Pro can only run from the adapter/interface to the laptop and not directly from the PCP panel because of the type of plugs it has on each end (USB A-B plugs). That is, it cannot be plugged directly into the PCP panel.
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 I was going to do the same as you have set up. However, when I went to order the NCE USB adpater I was talked into bypassing that and going directly from the Command Station with the Serial Adapter-USB cord. I've only used it a few times for programming and setting CV's but so far works great. I'm looking forward to seeing the next part in your speed matching series. Very interesting stuff. Tony
I got a question
Why do you model the Union Pacific Railroad
And why do you model a modern era Railroad
Because I model the area of southwestern Wyoming and northeastern Utah through which the UP runs. Why modern era? Because that’s what I like, and personal preference is the only real reason I need. As they say, “It’s my railroad.” It’s based on the real prototype, again as a matter of personal preference, as I’ve described in numerous previos videos. ...Roy
I will be speed matching each one as I buy them so I will doing it the first way. All my locomotives will have to run with all others.
Nice video and update
Thanks for letting me share the hobby with you, Ger, including the task of speed matching. ...Roy
Using Rail Pro speed matching, direction and running consists is quick and easy. Those about to get into DCC should check out Ring Engineering.
If I were just starting out, I would want to consider Rail Pro, but converting a medium or large size layout to Rail Pro might be too challenging. In addition, I read somewhere that Rail Pro doesn't work with N scale. ...Roy
Hi Roy great video I model British rail west coast main line in the 1980s in and around Lancaster and heysham harbour and stranraer harbour in Scotland with intercity boat trains to and from London euston in oo gauge with diesel electric and 25kv electric locomotives on my layout clive in the uk
It seems like there are model railroaders everywhere, Clive, except here in Panama where, to the best of my knowledge, I'm the only model railroader in the whole country. Good to hear from you! ...Roy
Hi Roy there are lots of railway modeles in UK I am a member of the Ulster model railway club must model in oo/ho gauge with some model in n gauge clive
I think your issue isn't speed matching at all it is power match the locos, the issue you have is each unit doesn't have the same power..
Hmmm, that's interesting, Jason! Tell me more. ...Roy
@@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569 build quality in the engine can be different per model you run and power motor can be different on how it drives
loco a can have the output of 10 whilst loco b has the same output at 5 or 15 depending on the power of the loco
IRL as far as Im aware if they run more than 2 locos either the 3rd or 4th is usually the weakest link and ran as the shunter
not sure what I have said will help fix your issues completely however it might explain why you have issues with certain loco setups you run
you might want to check if there is power profile update for all locos you run to see if that fixes the speed ans power issues you are having there to be sure you have fixed
Good luck
Thanks, Bob. I'm going to need all the good luck I can get. ...Roy