That actor playing the captain is always the captain in every movie 😂 He was an awesome captain in King Kong, then his role in Avengers age of ultron, U-571, the pianist, Valkyrie
The most controversial scene in the movie. There were many cases of Uboat crews actually aiding survivors. I've read several accounts where they would actually wait for the lifeboats to be clear before finishing off the ship. It was only after a Uboat was attacked with several survivors on board did Dönitz issue the Laconia order forbidding his crews to pick up survivors. And while it's not impossible to think that survivors were fired upon, there were never any documented cases of it happening.
Many accounts of British killing German shipwrecked crews during WW1 though. In WW1 the British spread hate propaganda against the Germans who were a lot more civilized than their lot. Propaganda continued during WW2.
@@jaybone4732 I did some further research, and there was a documented case of a UBoat captain firing on survivors during WW2. He was tried for and found guilty of war crimes after the war. There was an alleged second case involving another captain, but since it couldn't be proved, he got off without punishment.
@@joshuariddensdale2126 These things happen during wartime. Documented cases. Germans themselves tried their own for warcrimes. Propaganda though tried to paint a picture though that was one sided.
You’re right. They NEVER would waste bullets. Usually they just left them there. In one instance they threw some empty food canisters at them. In other instances they just said to eat each other. In one recorded incident they said German blood is superior and theirs Was not worth saving. Every single German U Boat captured every survivor and they were interrogated (tortured), imprisoned if lucky, but usually thrown overboard to be eaten by sharks. All the stuff of Nazis helping anyone is German propaganda. The most is once a German took an 18-year old member of a crew who was captured (not “rescued”) from a warship is shot him and then gave him a life jacket before throwing him into the sea. (TROLLING)
Not without always having doubts about whether the survivors would try to covertly sabotage their sub. And extra people inside the sub when it submerged means more air consumption, decreasing the amount of time the sub can spend underwater. This could impair their ability to evade Allied anti-sub ships or engage in underwater combat. And then food consumption would also be increased, burning through their storage quicker. The only reason the Allied crew took in the German captain after their own sub was sunk was because they were short on the minimal manpower needed to operate a sub itself, much less be able to figure out the controls and language labels on a German sub vs their training on an Allied sub.
This happened only once in the entire war. It was U-852. Germany had 1162 submarines. The US did this once in the Pacific and the British did it twice.
Bruh the US did it all the time if'n when required. It's why the Nazi's got off scot free, the U.S couldn't convict someone of the same warcrimes they were doing lol
They couldn't pick them up because after the Laconia sinking the high command prevented them from doing so . The shooting them in case they gave away their location however was bullshit . Maybe he was sadistic and got a kick out of them dying however it may have been he didn't want to leave them to suffer as rescue could take days if not weeks pending the next time they came across a ship . The Laconia sinking is worth looking up but doesn't reflect very well on the Allies . War crimes all around from them .
Yup. At his trial, Dönitz was originally going to be sentenced to life in prison because of the Laconia order. But Nimitz admitted that he had given a similar order to his sub crews, and Dönitz's sentence was reduced to ten years in prison, which he served.
2 mins of inaccuracy. Its not impossiblethis didnt happen but for all the reasons in this scence make no sense. Staying above gives your position away much easier. Firing does the same. Wasting ammo on basically nothing. Multiple cases of subers rescuing survivors. British used to comvo system so where are all the other ships.the u boat would be trying to flee the scence not go back or stay near. The gun on the uboat is not even capabile of firing for such a long duration at a time. Constant over sea planes would be much easier to take notice of an incident like this. Basically not a single second of this clip is accurate. Also most orders at this time were under donitz not hitlers. Only thing that can be true is someone germans spoke fluent english the rest has as close to possible as zero truth
Why did they even bother with this scene, this was made 55 years after the end of World War 2 so anti-German war propaganda seems a bit pointless at that stage and, as other comments on here already state, this was an exceptionally rare thing to have happened, likely confusing the practices of German U-Boat crews with that of Japanese submarine crews at the time which actually were barbaric. Then again this whole film was typical Yank crap anyway, I remember one tag line at one time of this supposedly "based on a true story" which wasn't even remotely accurate, this doesn't even remotely reflect the one actual, and rather more mundane, case of how Americans actually managed to get their hands on an enigma machine from a U-boat, and wasn't even the first time the allies managed to get their hands on one.
they dont take survivors because they dont have enough space to house them. its unfortunate but its just not safe for the crew to take them. so it was established as procedure to not take any survivors, some crews violated it by giving them supplies and stuff but they almost never actually took them onto the boat. they shot them because it probably would of been a quicker death than just leaving them to die of thirst.
Germans did this only once in the entire war, it was the case U-852 against a Greek ship. Keep in mind Germany had 1162 u-boats and carried out countless patrols. Also, there are records of a US Gato class submarine that did exactly the same thing shown here and a British submarine that did it twice.
That actor playing the captain is always the captain in every movie 😂
He was an awesome captain in King Kong, then his role in Avengers age of ultron, U-571, the pianist, Valkyrie
Dont forget Stalingrad 1993 and Stalingrad 2013
Yeah but in King kong nice captain he D help mr Taylor and his crew defeat these jerks and sure punch this evil one 😊
Also on Der Untergang
fegellien....fegellien....fegellieeennn !
as well as dasboot
The most controversial scene in the movie. There were many cases of Uboat crews actually aiding survivors. I've read several accounts where they would actually wait for the lifeboats to be clear before finishing off the ship. It was only after a Uboat was attacked with several survivors on board did Dönitz issue the Laconia order forbidding his crews to pick up survivors. And while it's not impossible to think that survivors were fired upon, there were never any documented cases of it happening.
Many accounts of British killing German shipwrecked crews during WW1 though. In WW1 the British spread hate propaganda against the Germans who were a lot more civilized than their lot. Propaganda continued during WW2.
@@jaybone4732 I did some further research, and there was a documented case of a UBoat captain firing on survivors during WW2. He was tried for and found guilty of war crimes after the war. There was an alleged second case involving another captain, but since it couldn't be proved, he got off without punishment.
@@joshuariddensdale2126 These things happen during wartime. Documented cases. Germans themselves tried their own for warcrimes. Propaganda though tried to paint a picture though that was one sided.
You’re right. They NEVER would waste bullets.
Usually they just left them there. In one instance they threw some empty food canisters at them. In other instances they just said to eat each other. In one recorded incident they said German blood is superior and theirs
Was not worth saving.
Every single German U Boat captured every survivor and they were interrogated (tortured), imprisoned if lucky, but usually thrown overboard to be eaten by sharks.
All the stuff of Nazis helping anyone is German propaganda. The most is once a German took an 18-year old member of a crew who was captured (not “rescued”) from a warship is shot him and then gave him a life jacket before throwing him into the sea.
(TROLLING)
@@joshuariddensdale2126 He was tried due to his wasting bullets. The official protocol was to leave them to die
(TROLLING)
Wouldn't it have made much more sense to find out if one of the survivors was a mechanic? Lol
Absolutely Correct you are accepted into German Submarine school this wuz a test
Not without always having doubts about whether the survivors would try to covertly sabotage their sub. And extra people inside the sub when it submerged means more air consumption, decreasing the amount of time the sub can spend underwater. This could impair their ability to evade Allied anti-sub ships or engage in underwater combat.
And then food consumption would also be increased, burning through their storage quicker.
The only reason the Allied crew took in the German captain after their own sub was sunk was because they were short on the minimal manpower needed to operate a sub itself, much less be able to figure out the controls and language labels on a German sub vs their training on an Allied sub.
Plot twist. The boat was full of diesel mechanics.
but they’re not “aryan” enough to be qualified as diesel mechanics
This happened only once in the entire war. It was U-852. Germany had 1162 submarines. The US did this once in the Pacific and the British did it twice.
What ships did the british do it to then, so i can check it out??..
Bruh the US did it all the time if'n when required.
It's why the Nazi's got off scot free, the U.S couldn't convict someone of the same warcrimes they were doing lol
damn that 34 fire rate slowed time and space.
Yeah when I heard that Mg34 go off I was like oh they got a M60 now
I did not know Fegelein was also a U-Boat captain
They couldn't pick them up because after the Laconia sinking the high command prevented them from doing so . The shooting them in case they gave away their location however was bullshit . Maybe he was sadistic and got a kick out of them dying however it may have been he didn't want to leave them to suffer as rescue could take days if not weeks pending the next time they came across a ship .
The Laconia sinking is worth looking up but doesn't reflect very well on the Allies . War crimes all around from them .
Yup. At his trial, Dönitz was originally going to be sentenced to life in prison because of the Laconia order. But Nimitz admitted that he had given a similar order to his sub crews, and Dönitz's sentence was reduced to ten years in prison, which he served.
This is historically inaccurate. U-boats never attacked any survivors and the only time this happened the commander was executed
The guy on the boat actually say "We are the surviving expert mechanics of the ship you just sunk"
I am sure you can cause a lot of damage shooting with blanks. Must have been very awkward for the guys on the boat. :D :D
Stalingrad, Downfall, the pianist, Valkyrie and many more as germany officer but his acting on Dracula and other also good
0:04 I guess that was predictable; a scooter engine isn’t the same as a U-Boat engine.
Where would you stow an additional 15 people? There was barely enough room on those boats to turn around.
Americans should be ashamed of this film.
2 mins of inaccuracy. Its not impossiblethis didnt happen but for all the reasons in this scence make no sense. Staying above gives your position away much easier. Firing does the same. Wasting ammo on basically nothing. Multiple cases of subers rescuing survivors. British used to comvo system so where are all the other ships.the u boat would be trying to flee the scence not go back or stay near. The gun on the uboat is not even capabile of firing for such a long duration at a time. Constant over sea planes would be much easier to take notice of an incident like this. Basically not a single second of this clip is accurate. Also most orders at this time were under donitz not hitlers. Only thing that can be true is someone germans spoke fluent english the rest has as close to possible as zero truth
Why did they even bother with this scene, this was made 55 years after the end of World War 2 so anti-German war propaganda seems a bit pointless at that stage and, as other comments on here already state, this was an exceptionally rare thing to have happened, likely confusing the practices of German U-Boat crews with that of Japanese submarine crews at the time which actually were barbaric. Then again this whole film was typical Yank crap anyway, I remember one tag line at one time of this supposedly "based on a true story" which wasn't even remotely accurate, this doesn't even remotely reflect the one actual, and rather more mundane, case of how Americans actually managed to get their hands on an enigma machine from a U-boat, and wasn't even the first time the allies managed to get their hands on one.
Man the captain is a terrible jerk in unarmed . And when they saved him he wanted to kill them . Pity he did not get arrested at the end . .
Not jerk ...realistic .....WAR is hell
@@druisteen jerk
@@PajafromPrague this is propably the most accurate part of the film
they dont take survivors because they dont have enough space to house them. its unfortunate but its just not safe for the crew to take them. so it was established as procedure to not take any survivors, some crews violated it by giving them supplies and stuff but they almost never actually took them onto the boat.
they shot them because it probably would of been a quicker death than just leaving them to die of thirst.
@@intel_v8488 they probably cant take them . But they dont have to shoot them .
No not over
Germans ... always so humane
You know that this is just propaganda, right?
This was also punished by the German navy when it became known.
@@DvD1303 yeah ww2 is just america propaganda, right?
@@umberto7773 Umh, It depends on how you portray it
Germans did this only once in the entire war, it was the case U-852 against a Greek ship. Keep in mind Germany had 1162 u-boats and carried out countless patrols. Also, there are records of a US Gato class submarine that did exactly the same thing shown here and a British submarine that did it twice.
The most ACCURATE scene.
hollywood fiction
A sad yet necessary evil of war. No right or wrong here. Just unfortunate logic and orders.