Does anyone else think Lip was so in love with Karen because she reminded him of his mother? Besides the obvious physical resemblance. Even Frank said she reminded him of Monica, and it makes me think Lip had some kind Oedipus complex, at least with her.
Rebekah Rodriguez yeah she also was blonde and wild and crazy and unreliable just like his mother same thing with Fiona she was always attracted to boys who were bad news, junkies and liars and theives just like her father.
BritBrat-Sweetheart 923 yes!!! I just said that 2 days ago when I saw the parallels between the 2 Frank and Monica and the people Lip and Fiona choose to be with!
No. She didn’t remind him of Monica. But it was the same relationship like Frank and Monica. She changed his life. She made him feel alive and happy. He was himself with her. He was iN LOVE with Karen to the bone. He LOVED Mandy but he wasn’t in love with her.
Blackie Chan just like Monica though just because He “loved” Karen who treated Him like dirt by the way. Doesn’t mean she was good for Him. She was toxic for Him.
Ilovekitty witties she never made Lip think the baby was his she told him that there was a chance but that there was also a chance that the baby wasn't his...Lip just kept trying to convince himself, wanting the baby to be his.
@@sukxon2400 Its a little weird yeah, but ultimately it fucks Lip over in the end cause it gives Karen the upper hand over him. Besides Karen difnt really have an incentive to listen to lip anywats
I like Mandy WAY more than Karen. Mandy might be a skank, but at least she has a soul. Karen on the other hand, I'm not even sure she has a heart let alone a soul.
Mandy also had Lips best interests in mind and always tried to help him the best she can. Mainly trying to get him out of the ghetto. I’m glad she took her own advice Later in the show
While Mandy’s intentions for Lip may have been good, and even though Karen was a terrible person, no way did she deserve to be f*cked up for the rest of her life because of what Mandy did.
Lip LOVES Karen. You can tell by the way he looks at her, you can see the pain in his eyes and he gets all nervous (great acting). Karen treats Lip crappy, Lip treats Mandy crappy. everyone loves someone they cant have. Jimmy doesnt really even have Fiona, the kids do. Ian cant have Mickey. Frank cant have Monica. V and Kev cant have babies. Vernoicas Mom cant have Kevin...LOL!
All of you are complaining and fighting about who lip should be with but, for the Mandy and Lip shippers out there, why would you want Mandy to be with Lip when he doesn't love her like that. No matter how Mandy feels, the writers have made it very evident that Lip does not love her. Even in season 5 he couldn't tell her he loved her and that is why she left. I just want Mandy to leave her abusive boyfriend and find someone that is totally and completely in love with her. Lip has repeatedly chose Karen over Mandy, he is in love with Karen and he cant force himself to love Mandy, i don't blame him for not loving Mandy and I don't blame him for loving Karen. The heart wants what the heart wants. If at some point Karen does come back and she has changed for the better I would probably ship Lip and Karen. Right now I ship Lip getting a college education and being there for his family, I ship Mandy finding someone new who really loves her and appreciates her, and I ship Karen coming back forever changed because lets be honest, her character was a very interesting part of the show and whether you liked her or not, she was the kind of character you could spend a large amount of time talking about and asking yourself "What will she do next?", the show hasn't been the same without her and we all know it.
I'm only on season 3, but i agree. Lip doest love Mandy or, anyway, he doesnt love her enough, not like he loves Karen. That's the main reason why I ship Karen and Lip. He is my favorite character and I want him with the person he loves. Karen is screwed up, but with Lip she can be a better person. I hope she will come back!
nyeishaclark95 I've had my own karen. Took a hell of alot but I'm so glad I was finally able to kick that toxin. Lost my best friend in the process but gained a life without constant pain and abuse.
i think he does love mandy very very much he has just been hurt by karen so much he didn’t really know how to tell mandy he loved her but i rlly do think he is very in love with her
@Sydney Neill, no he doesn't love Mandy. The show has made that VERY clear, he was never in love with Mandy the way he was with Karen and many people, including Kevin and Ian commented on it. Also if he was very much in love with her like you claim, he would have fought harder to get her to stay in Season 5 but he didn't, like how hard he fought for Karen.
Karen was one of the more interesting characters in the show, I think the producers and the actress playing Karen must have had a falling out. Her story line was out of nowhere and just the imagery and fate of her character seemed like a way to get her off the show. If you notice her last shot in season 3... was a van door closing abruptly on her face. It was kind of like a subliminal fuck you. Too bad, cuz I liked Karen.
Faeries_Xylia 923 unlikeable doesn’t mean uninteresting. karen actually had personality. a cold, manipulative sex addict who brought a lot of drama to the series. not to mention she’s cute. definitely would’ve enjoyed seeing more of her
Karen really was an interesting character, but I kind of feel like she was written off so that Lip could "grow up." She was toxic and manipulative, and Lip was so in love with her that he let her abuse him time and time again, but when she was written off, Lip stepped up, went to college, and became much more responsible (since this was also around the time that Fiona went off the rails).
@@sickboytwxst how give a really good reason why Karen is better then Mandy what has Karen done for lip or for his family that Mandy actually has she’s a horrible mother/ daughter
Yeah, then later on he had the nerve to call Mandy a skank to her in her own house when he wanted to get some ass because he couldn’t get any good ones in college.Then she punched the hell out of him for being trifling and treating her like shit again, I was so proud of Mandy in that scene though ! 👏🏾❤️
the people, are real ACTORS. The girl who plays Karen-Laura Slade Wiggins- is a church going Christian girl from the midwest who is the polar opposite of Karen who found it difficult to do all the sex scenes.
I do to. they were so lighthearted and endearing in season 1. I wish they hadnt turned her into such a mess. She really went off the deep end when her dad died. It is obvious the things that are happening in her life are having a huge effect on her but she doesnt know how to cope, she just acts out. She obviously knows there is no way she can be a good mom but realized it too late, the audience will always hate her for that. They wouldnt hate her if she had an abortion though. Interesting.
This was meant to be a hint that lip and Karen could become frank and Monica. The way frank was unwilling to let Monica go is how lip was with Karen. When Karen left it was to show that lip wouldn't be frank.
In my opinion, Karen was one of the best characters. I saw past her manipulative tendencies as a person who was truly damaged by her two parents-one of whom couldn’t love who she was, and the other she had to watch live half a life because she was too afraid of the world. I think Karen did love Lip honestly. It showed in the end when her mom asked if her and Lip were getting back together and she said she hoped so. I just think she hadn’t fully overcome her manipulative tendencies. She knew in the past that this is how she would get what she wanted, so though she had matured a little bit after receiving some karma, she slipped back into old patterns.
i like karen ... actually i love her and lip together. mandy is clingy and annoying, and lip doesn't really care for her at all. he loves karen, that much is clear. i'm SO glad she's back. i really hope they keep her on the show
Yes, finally! Funny how a 10 year old comment was able to recognise how clingy and invasive Mandy was to Lip, yet is a fact people seem to overlook for the sake of shipping Lip and Mandy together. I hate how people (and even characters on the show itself like Kev, V, Ian and Debbie) all seemed to blame Lip for not being into Mandy's clinginess and jealousy, such as her being upset over Lip wanting to be there for Karen after she got run over; her constantly wanting Lip's time and attention, and yet Lip was made to feel guilty about wanting his own space away from her, to the point where he just ended up saying yes to Mandy whenever she suggested they hang out. So Mandy was toxic asf and not better than/worse than Karen for running her over. In saying that tho we have seen those times when Mandy was a genuinely kind and tender person despite her upbringing, hence deserves her own happy ending with someone who actually loves her deeply.
I feel like they really had a thing for each other, I mean, with all that happened, the anger, and the fighting, and all that, the birth of a child, and somehow she's still gonna come back and play these games to get his attention and then try to get him back in her own sneaky way? Clearly though Lip isn't that into Mandy... Mandy's into Lip. Mandy loves Lip and she takes care of Lip and does good things for him, what does Lip really think about Mandy though?
He thought Mandy was too clingy , he only likes Karen cause she hot and because she doesn’t even care what he does with his life . I guess he preferred someone who treats him like shit rather than someone who cares for him😂it’s sad and stupid , if lip chose Mandy they would’ve been together as of right now
@@NicksLocker attractive trait yeah sad but true . Like girls likin bad boys , sure they might be fun but will they respect you and stay in the long run? Crazy isn’t healthy for a relationship ? Absolutely not. We gotta sacrifice our worst desires to be happy. If anything Mandy helped lip by getting rid of that negative energy , he would never have met tami or have a kid , he would’ve turned into frank and Karen as Monica if he went down that road
Unfortunately, much like Fiona, lip had a very bad habit of not wanting the sure and stable option, and instead went for the risky type of relationship. None of the women except perhaps his professor hurt him emotionally the way Karen did with her lies and manipulations. He regretted how he treated Mandy, and did obviously love or deeply care about her, but it wasn't enough, and he never stepped up to actually treat her right or even thank her properly. She deserved better, and while it wasn't ideal, I think she got it. Lip on the other hand torpedoed his bright future and then ended up with a woman that a lot of people don't think he'll even last with
Where did you get a caring person from? She slept with Frank to get back at her dad for calling her a whore, then she continuously manipulated Lip and her own mom. When she gave birth, she made them take away the baby because she didn't even wanna be near it or touch it and then ran away when her mom refused to bring the baby back to the hospital
I LOVED that shit! LOL! Maybe they will bring her back. She was hot. Of course she would probably end up cheating on Lip with Carl. That would be priceless!
Yeah, she really turned her life around after going to sex addicts anonymous. And don't you think it's VERY convenient that Karen showed up out of the blue not even a day after her baby was taken out of the house?! It's so obvious she called up her baby-daddy's mom, told them about the baby, and had them take the baby away so she wouldn't have to deal with him when she decided to come home. She's just telling Sheila what Sheila wants to hear.
I know I'm late but that's Karen for you. And who would have thought 7 years later her name would be famous as the # 1 b*tch lol. She was a manipulative, sociopath and Lip was obsessed with her, and she loved every second of it. She didn't want Lip, but loved how much he ached for her. They both were co-dependant on each other. Trauma bond.
Karen's storyline took such an ugly turn. Yeah, she had Daddy issues but she never took any of that out on Lip and I wish the writers gave their story a chance.
i hate lip x karen and what that relationship chooses to be but you can see how much lip loves her, he is different with her, his act, his eyes, everything. It's so annoying ebcause she's not right for him, she broke his heart too many times, but sometimes you can't choose who you love..unfortunely.
continued: as for financial responsibility, recall that Fiona took the FAMILY's money and promptly blew it on a bad night club investment that she didn't consult anyone in the family about. The only reason they didn't get screwed over in that situation was because Lip worked on the side. Common sense states that Lip acted more responsibly in that relationship so why would it be unrealistic for anyone to think that maybe he ought to be in control for awhile?
guess lip preferred someone who treats him like shit rather than someone who cares for him😂it’s sad because if lip chose Mandy they would’ve been together as of right now
it doesn't matter. the writers care more about the immature sophomoric audience than the sophisticated ones. Milkovichs should be written off but the kiddies thing they are so cute and that IS ALL that matters. They wont be going anywhere sadly. Anyone who has ever been beaten by lover would never want Ian with Mickey. And anyone who has ever been in a relationship with someone who thinks you owe them because they did something for you would never want Lip with Mandy. The show has tanked.
I wouldn't say full on tanked. But yeah I don't buy the Ian Mickey love story. The beating was just too brutal. Ian should have left after that. If it goes on I can only see it ending in tragedy. If it works out than that would be some sloppy writing. I can see Mandy doing something stupid in the future, she is very impulsive even when she means well.
Mandy does actually care about lip and is good for him.. she's getting him to maybe go to MIT they all have fucking sex son you shouldn't come at any of them for that -.- Lip does love Karen tho
Does anyone else think Lip was so in love with Karen because she reminded him of his mother? Besides the obvious physical resemblance. Even Frank said she reminded him of Monica, and it makes me think Lip had some kind Oedipus complex, at least with her.
Rebekah Rodriguez yeah she also was blonde and wild and crazy and unreliable just like his mother same thing with Fiona she was always attracted to boys who were bad news, junkies and liars and theives just like her father.
Frank fittingly called Karen like Monica "a beautiful mess."
BritBrat-Sweetheart 923 yes!!! I just said that 2 days ago when I saw the parallels between the 2 Frank and Monica and the people Lip and Fiona choose to be with!
No. She didn’t remind him of Monica. But it was the same relationship like Frank and Monica. She changed his life. She made him feel alive and happy. He was himself with her. He was iN LOVE with Karen to the bone. He LOVED Mandy but he wasn’t in love with her.
Blackie Chan just like Monica though just because He “loved” Karen who treated Him like dirt by the way. Doesn’t mean she was good for Him. She was toxic for Him.
This relationship is Frank and Monica when they were Young.
Just That Frank is Not so smart as lip
@@zoej4381 he actually was
@@zoej4381 he WAS but then Monica happened.
@@zoej4381 The bastard actually is, it's no wonder he was able to scam so many people
I wouldnt say that
Calling Mandy a skank LOL😂 that means alot from someone who didn't even know who the father of her baby was when she was pregnant.
Ilovekitty witties she never made Lip think the baby was his she told him that there was a chance but that there was also a chance that the baby wasn't his...Lip just kept trying to convince himself, wanting the baby to be his.
Faeries_Xylia 923 hahahahah hahahahah trueeeeeee
Mandy and Karen where both whores
@@Sarahgreeneyes32 they were both neighborhood whores
@@thisismyusername2096 to be fair, karen actually said "who said it was yours" when she was pregnant
"so you dropped napalm on my realtionship without getting your hands dirty"
Dam that was one of the best lines I've ever heard
I hated Karen with a passion..guess that shows how well the actress played the character!
" What do you want"
"take your clothes off"
I love Lip way too much
Wait I’m just asking, isn’t it bad that he told her to take her clothes off she probably didn’t want to idk just asking
@@sukxon2400 Its a little weird yeah, but ultimately it fucks Lip over in the end cause it gives Karen the upper hand over him. Besides Karen difnt really have an incentive to listen to lip anywats
@@charlierei9292 oh okay
@@sukxon2400 nah she definitely wanted it , if you look at the rest of the episode you’ll see
@@UtopiaMonkey yeah I seen the episode like a month ago I'm on season 6 😭
I like Mandy WAY more than Karen. Mandy might be a skank, but at least she has a soul. Karen on the other hand, I'm not even sure she has a heart let alone a soul.
Mandy also had Lips best interests in mind and always tried to help him the best she can. Mainly trying to get him out of the ghetto. I’m glad she took her own advice Later in the show
While Mandy’s intentions for Lip may have been good, and even though Karen was a terrible person, no way did she deserve to be f*cked up for the rest of her life because of what Mandy did.
You right
She could be either a Sociopath or a Psychopath
Lip LOVES Karen. You can tell by the way he looks at her, you can see the pain in his eyes and he gets all nervous (great acting). Karen treats Lip crappy, Lip treats Mandy crappy. everyone loves someone they cant have. Jimmy doesnt really even have Fiona, the kids do. Ian cant have Mickey. Frank cant have Monica. V and Kev cant have babies. Vernoicas Mom cant have Kevin...LOL!
damn this comment is old, atleast Ian and Mickey got eachother now.
@@alilium4195 Don't forget v and Kev's babies
"What do you want?"
"Take your clothes off"
This is why I love lip 😂😍
All of you are complaining and fighting about who lip should be with but, for the Mandy and Lip shippers out there, why would you want Mandy to be with Lip when he doesn't love her like that. No matter how Mandy feels, the writers have made it very evident that Lip does not love her. Even in season 5 he couldn't tell her he loved her and that is why she left. I just want Mandy to leave her abusive boyfriend and find someone that is totally and completely in love with her. Lip has repeatedly chose Karen over Mandy, he is in love with Karen and he cant force himself to love Mandy, i don't blame him for not loving Mandy and I don't blame him for loving Karen. The heart wants what the heart wants. If at some point Karen does come back and she has changed for the better I would probably ship Lip and Karen. Right now I ship Lip getting a college education and being there for his family, I ship Mandy finding someone new who really loves her and appreciates her, and I ship Karen coming back forever changed because lets be honest, her character was a very interesting part of the show and whether you liked her or not, she was the kind of character you could spend a large amount of time talking about and asking yourself "What will she do next?", the show hasn't been the same without her and we all know it.
I'm only on season 3, but i agree. Lip doest love Mandy or, anyway, he doesnt love her enough, not like he loves Karen. That's the main reason why I ship Karen and Lip. He is my favorite character and I want him with the person he loves. Karen is screwed up, but with Lip she can be a better person. I hope she will come back!
nyeishaclark95 learn to spell
nyeishaclark95 I've had my own karen. Took a hell of alot but I'm so glad I was finally able to kick that toxin. Lost my best friend in the process but gained a life without constant pain and abuse.
i think he does love mandy very very much he has just been hurt by karen so much he didn’t really know how to tell mandy he loved her but i rlly do think he is very in love with her
@Sydney Neill, no he doesn't love Mandy. The show has made that VERY clear, he was never in love with Mandy the way he was with Karen and many people, including Kevin and Ian commented on it. Also if he was very much in love with her like you claim, he would have fought harder to get her to stay in Season 5 but he didn't, like how hard he fought for Karen.
Karen was one of the more interesting characters in the show, I think the producers and the actress playing Karen must have had a falling out. Her story line was out of nowhere and just the imagery and fate of her character seemed like a way to get her off the show. If you notice her last shot in season 3... was a van door closing abruptly on her face. It was kind of like a subliminal fuck you. Too bad, cuz I liked Karen.
Christopher Kim well Karen wasn't exactly a like able character. She was a piece of work and only used Lip for sex and power
Faeries_Xylia 923 unlikeable doesn’t mean uninteresting. karen actually had personality. a cold, manipulative sex addict who brought a lot of drama to the series. not to mention she’s cute. definitely would’ve enjoyed seeing more of her
Karen really was an interesting character, but I kind of feel like she was written off so that Lip could "grow up." She was toxic and manipulative, and Lip was so in love with her that he let her abuse him time and time again, but when she was written off, Lip stepped up, went to college, and became much more responsible (since this was also around the time that Fiona went off the rails).
@@Poison_Ivy22 even though she was all of that, she was more entertaining/interesting to watch than most of the cast i feel like.
@@ryans.9502 honestly I agree. I did find her character very interesting.
I really wanted to punch lip for cheating on mandy with Karen
I don’t Karen’s better
@@sickboytwxst how give a really good reason why Karen is better then Mandy what has Karen done for lip or for his family that Mandy actually has she’s a horrible mother/ daughter
@@bobjohns9791 idc abt what they do I just like her better
It wasn't no shocker.. he was in love with Karen, not Mandy.
Yeah, then later on he had the nerve to call Mandy a skank to her in her own house when he wanted to get some ass because he couldn’t get any good ones in college.Then she punched the hell out of him for being trifling and treating her like shit again, I was so proud of Mandy in that scene though ! 👏🏾❤️
I low key have a crush on Karen she’s so beautiful
the people, are real ACTORS. The girl who plays Karen-Laura Slade Wiggins- is a church going Christian girl from the midwest who is the polar opposite of Karen who found it difficult to do all the sex scenes.
Karen and Lip are just EPIC. love them
Mee too
No
Epic huh???
No they aren't.
I don't like neither Karen or Mandy but at least Mandy seems to be less manipulative and seems to care for Lip genuinely. to car
I like Karen more than I like Mandy for Lip.
I do to. they were so lighthearted and endearing in season 1. I wish they hadnt turned her into such a mess. She really went off the deep end when her dad died. It is obvious the things that are happening in her life are having a huge effect on her but she doesnt know how to cope, she just acts out. She obviously knows there is no way she can be a good mom but realized it too late, the audience will always hate her for that. They wouldnt hate her if she had an abortion though. Interesting.
This was meant to be a hint that lip and Karen could become frank and Monica. The way frank was unwilling to let Monica go is how lip was with Karen. When Karen left it was to show that lip wouldn't be frank.
In my opinion, Karen was one of the best characters. I saw past her manipulative tendencies as a person who was truly damaged by her two parents-one of whom couldn’t love who she was, and the other she had to watch live half a life because she was too afraid of the world. I think Karen did love Lip honestly. It showed in the end when her mom asked if her and Lip were getting back together and she said she hoped so. I just think she hadn’t fully overcome her manipulative tendencies. She knew in the past that this is how she would get what she wanted, so though she had matured a little bit after receiving some karma, she slipped back into old patterns.
i like karen ... actually i love her and lip together. mandy is clingy and annoying, and lip doesn't really care for her at all. he loves karen, that much is clear. i'm SO glad she's back. i really hope they keep her on the show
Yes, finally! Funny how a 10 year old comment was able to recognise how clingy and invasive Mandy was to Lip, yet is a fact people seem to overlook for the sake of shipping Lip and Mandy together. I hate how people (and even characters on the show itself like Kev, V, Ian and Debbie) all seemed to blame Lip for not being into Mandy's clinginess and jealousy, such as her being upset over Lip wanting to be there for Karen after she got run over; her constantly wanting Lip's time and attention, and yet Lip was made to feel guilty about wanting his own space away from her, to the point where he just ended up saying yes to Mandy whenever she suggested they hang out. So Mandy was toxic asf and not better than/worse than Karen for running her over. In saying that tho we have seen those times when Mandy was a genuinely kind and tender person despite her upbringing, hence deserves her own happy ending with someone who actually loves her deeply.
MANDY AND LIP FOREVER
I feel like they really had a thing for each other, I mean, with all that happened, the anger, and the fighting, and all that, the birth of a child, and somehow she's still gonna come back and play these games to get his attention and then try to get him back in her own sneaky way? Clearly though Lip isn't that into Mandy... Mandy's into Lip. Mandy loves Lip and she takes care of Lip and does good things for him, what does Lip really think about Mandy though?
He thought Mandy was too clingy , he only likes Karen cause she hot and because she doesn’t even care what he does with his life . I guess he preferred someone who treats him like shit rather than someone who cares for him😂it’s sad and stupid , if lip chose Mandy they would’ve been together as of right now
@@joseguevara3269 you're right about that! But my theory lately is, people are attracted to crazy people. It's an attractive trait
@@NicksLocker attractive trait yeah sad but true . Like girls likin bad boys , sure they might be fun but will they respect you and stay in the long run? Crazy isn’t healthy for a relationship ? Absolutely not. We gotta sacrifice our worst desires to be happy. If anything Mandy helped lip by getting rid of that negative energy , he would never have met tami or have a kid , he would’ve turned into frank and Karen as Monica if he went down that road
@@joseguevara3269 very true and she got him into those colleges. I get it though
Unfortunately, much like Fiona, lip had a very bad habit of not wanting the sure and stable option, and instead went for the risky type of relationship.
None of the women except perhaps his professor hurt him emotionally the way Karen did with her lies and manipulations.
He regretted how he treated Mandy, and did obviously love or deeply care about her, but it wasn't enough, and he never stepped up to actually treat her right or even thank her properly.
She deserved better, and while it wasn't ideal, I think she got it. Lip on the other hand torpedoed his bright future and then ended up with a woman that a lot of people don't think he'll even last with
She's a caring person, who was raised in a cold family who taught her to solve all problems with violence. So she's a psychopath with a good heart.
More like manipulation
Except she doesn't have a good heart... Lol
Where did you get a caring person from? She slept with Frank to get back at her dad for calling her a whore, then she continuously manipulated Lip and her own mom. When she gave birth, she made them take away the baby because she didn't even wanna be near it or touch it and then ran away when her mom refused to bring the baby back to the hospital
She doesn't give a shit about anybody..what good heart? Are we watching the same show?
@@cookiesandmilk686 if you watched s1, it was pretty clear karen cared for people. such as her mother. y’all just purposefully ignore it
Dammit and I used to like Karen.
Ginger Beard same
Although I was getting used to Mandy, he didn't seem to really love her. It will be intresting to see what will happen.
*me dropping my clothes on the floor immediately
Unpopular opinion: Mandy nor Karen were the right girl for Lip.
That was never unpopular that was a fact!
I like lip and Karen together you can tell he's not that into Mandy
i love karen
Idagf, Lip and Karen forever
PERIOD
Ew
I want a follow up in this character what happened to Karen after her incident
I'd like to see this part between Lip & Karen develop more
I LIKE MANDY, BUT KAREN AND LIP ARE MY OTP! I JUST LOVE THEM SO MUCH 😩
Melly B Karen sucks.
are you mentally stable?
Melly B the fuck
Melly B I love Mandy to
wtf KAREN IS A DUMBASS BITCH SMFH!!!
idc. karen and lip are everything.
Period..
Mandy and Mickey remind me of Rebekah and Klaus kind of
I LOVED that shit! LOL! Maybe they will bring her back. She was hot. Of course she would probably end up cheating on Lip with Carl. That would be priceless!
Mandy vs Karen, Karen vs Mandy, solution is easy Ménage à trois
Yeah, she really turned her life around after going to sex addicts anonymous. And don't you think it's VERY convenient that Karen showed up out of the blue not even a day after her baby was taken out of the house?! It's so obvious she called up her baby-daddy's mom, told them about the baby, and had them take the baby away so she wouldn't have to deal with him when she decided to come home. She's just telling Sheila what Sheila wants to hear.
I know I'm late but that's Karen for you. And who would have thought 7 years later her name would be famous as the # 1 b*tch lol. She was a manipulative, sociopath and Lip was obsessed with her, and she loved every second of it. She didn't want Lip, but loved how much he ached for her. They both were co-dependant on each other. Trauma bond.
I don't hate Karen
Neither do I
"take your clothes off"😂
Lotta people in comments dislike Karen. Lip seems to like her.. 🤣. Lip is an honest man.
Karen's storyline took such an ugly turn. Yeah, she had Daddy issues but she never took any of that out on Lip and I wish the writers gave their story a chance.
I LOVE MANDY FO KAREN
Um, how has Karen tried to take any responsibility for anything?
i hate lip x karen and what that relationship chooses to be but you can see how much lip loves her, he is different with her, his act, his eyes, everything. It's so annoying ebcause she's not right for him, she broke his heart too many times, but sometimes you can't choose who you love..unfortunely.
continued: as for financial responsibility, recall that Fiona took the FAMILY's money and promptly blew it on a bad night club investment that she didn't consult anyone in the family about. The only reason they didn't get screwed over in that situation was because Lip worked on the side. Common sense states that Lip acted more responsibly in that relationship so why would it be unrealistic for anyone to think that maybe he ought to be in control for awhile?
all of the interesting characters were always written off so abruptly.
A GOON COMAPARED TO HER
Lips pick up lines don’t work in real life
GODDAMMIT LIP!!!
my otp of the show
remember the time when Mandy showed the blonde lady the grave in front of her house?? Yep i sense there"s gonna be another grave
Why is Lip fascinated with Toxic Blondes in the First Place?
Monica
I'd be 100% willing to pay to watch this on Showtime, but you decided that my country isn't good enough for you, sooo... Yeah.
watch online for free
guess lip preferred someone who treats him like shit rather than someone who cares for him😂it’s sad because if lip chose Mandy they would’ve been together as of right now
I will never understand why he loved her so much. Also who is karen to call anyone a skank 😂😂
I think he just found Karen hot. Also, he needed the drama that Karen offered over the stability that Mandy provided.
it doesn't matter. the writers care more about the immature sophomoric audience than the sophisticated ones. Milkovichs should be written off but the kiddies thing they are so cute and that IS ALL that matters. They wont be going anywhere sadly. Anyone who has ever been beaten by lover would never want Ian with Mickey. And anyone who has ever been in a relationship with someone who thinks you owe them because they did something for you would never want Lip with Mandy. The show has tanked.
Ok idk what y’all arguing about Karen and Mandy for I know I like Karen way more cuz she’s so pretty and cute and more pretty than Mandy
karen needs more understanding with love .. i thought love got to do with being gentle n kind ..not any more these days
She looks like Cassie from Skins here
#teamkaren bitches!
so true.
So that's the best you can do when you can't refute any of my points? Grow up.
I thought she was Taylor Swift 😂😂😂
New fan war began!
It's like Messi vs Ronaldo
Pepsi vs Coca Cola
Federer vs Nadal
MANDY VS KAREN
doubt it
Karen gives birth and leaves the next day
#PrayforMandymongoplettica
NO I WANT MANDY AND LIP :-)
Well sorry
Fuck sake nooooo!!! Just when Lip was starting to do his own thing :(
I wouldn't say full on tanked. But yeah I don't buy the Ian Mickey love story. The beating was just too brutal. Ian should have left after that. If it goes on I can only see it ending in tragedy. If it works out than that would be some sloppy writing. I can see Mandy doing something stupid in the future, she is very impulsive even when she means well.
you started so well but ended up so badly.
Damnn
Uk version is 45,000,000 times better.
You’re drunk
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
So is Karen gone from the show for good?
Phillip Gallagher deserved better.
Mandy does actually care about lip and is good for him.. she's getting him to maybe go to MIT they all have fucking sex son you shouldn't come at any of them for that -.-
Lip does love Karen tho
Yes. OH MY GOD. Yes. Thank fuck. I used to actually LIKE mandy before they replaced her. I think thats her motive as well.
i dont like karen. no one likes karen. karen is the friend nobody likes.
I like Karen but I am not fond of Mandy.
Me either
Oh Noooooooooooo!##
Noooooooool
Qwerty Welty
Anyone never like her from the start?
Mandy way better then her.