One mistake I made in the video, mats between tier 1, 2, and 3 were not convertible but given this is a soft reset and not a hard reset like the other tiers, I don’t think it is completely out of the realm of possibility that we can convert the mats. Additionally, it’s Echidna honing coming up I don’t expect most players to have an excess of mats anyways since that will take up a good bit of mats.
it’s also worth noting that even if they aren’t able to be converted these mats won’t instantly become worthless, there will still be plenty of alts below 1620 farming these mats for some time so it’s still okay to do dailies and sell them if there is no conversion, and just buy the new mats with that gold (the conversion this way will probably very poor lol but still an option). this does mean bound mats will be useless if that is the case which would be unfortunate but hopefully that won’t be the case.
The worst part is the little change with elixir and transedence. reducing gold is not enough. I don't level up my alts to 1620 because I don't want to go through the hell of making elixir. And now if I don't have alts in 1620 I won't farm T4 material....
@@fataliity101its not about the time. Its just a shit system. My main took sub 150k to go from 0-40 set. My slayer took over 350k to do the same thing. Mostly rng with no pity. Getting glove/helm set pieces is worse than drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth lol
These people complaining about 'the doomers' have a lot more faith in Smilegate than I do. Will see when things come out but it's always going to be a kmmo
I can't disagree more with this. They replaced the previous engraving system with a different RNG system. To get a functioning character now you have to wait until all the whales buy the books and then you can slowly begin to purchase them as your gold allows. You won't have a 6x3 for who knows how long. This system would only work if you could not purchase gold. Unfortunately the way they implemented this is horrible. They should have horizontal content that unlocked your engravings or something. That would be meaningful horizontal.
I think that’s fine that we don’t get 6x3 day one… it means it’s something to work for. If u look back, my main only got her 5x3 when I did Hard Vykas (I think that was 3 or 4 months after release? And my alts still had 4x3 even at Clown. Is it really a problem that we don’t reach the ceiling of engravings quickly? The content we will likely be getting with T4 is behemoth and clearly that content is clearable without 6x3. Yeah the whales will have 6x3 fairly quickly but personally I have no issue with that. This is a Korean MMO and I expect this type of monetization model with the style of game. I’ll catch up over time.
Not having 6x3 at the same time as everyone isn't even the issue. Eventually you will be able to buy all Engraving Books, even if you can only buy 1 book a month. Like @pipocaacida5310 said, I don't want want to have to deal with TWO shitty RNG systems once I reach 1610 AND THEN things get slightly better, only to be at the same spot as we are right now.
Except you won't have to deal with them right away. The only thing stopping you from T4 is the ilvl. The new stuff will probably give you enough damage increase to substitute what you are missing. The new raids will give even more gold too. The t3 systems will be nerfed again probably. Then you can go back and pretty much get all the stuff you are missing so much faster and easier than now.
@@JeyJ24 I'm not missing anything from T3. I'm 1630+ 40 set with full transcendence. The issue is you need literally 120 relic engraving books to finish your build. I don't know about you but it took me a full year to get 20 grudge books. Its not about going back to old content its about progressing in the new content which is pretty much effed except for the whales.
i understand what you mean by saying every mmo has changes to new systems new gears, but if you look at ff14 or wow, getting to that end game can take like 3-4 months on 1 toon and your good, meanwhile in lost ark i grinded my ass off for 18 months to finally hit 1620, while doing homework on 6 toons for that one toon to be strong, you got to look at every perspective, if it takes way way way longer to reach a goal, then that phase should also be longer. The core Issue is homework, and nothing in this loa on is changing that, you can only apply so much band aid on a fractured leg, but if you don't fix the "core" issue that is what people want to see change, lost ark doesn't respect our busy live's and don't say then only play one toon argument, you will never reach end game with end game players, you will be stuck in old raids with nerfed gold if you play "one toon"
I agree with what you said, but I think the fundamental problem is the cadence in the west is too fast. If we've been having the same pace instead of trying to catch up to KR, I think it'll be much more relaxed. There was essentially no farming period for us
Without nerfing old honing and old systems its gg for new players. It will be sad to say but first year of lost ark in eu/na is worthless. A lot of my guildies started last year or just came back after a year and we are all pretty equal doin hm taemine for the last 2 weeks. If uve played LA every day in 2022 what did u get from it? Probably u had card sets few months faster than others and u have higher rooster lvl xd
they are gonna nerf the cost till 1580 to only silver cost, correct me if I'm wrong.. and they will give a pass to 1600. and some rewards going to 1640 (1620). unless you really trying to get a 6 toons to 1640.. it will be really a long grind.. but right now our grind is really a hard one to end game 1630.. but once soft reset occur.. we'll probably get multiple 1640 if you save up some mats and resources till then and adapt.. cause 1620 will translate to 1640..
@@RagingSorrowDR As long as lost ark does not respect people's time, almost forcing them to play 6 toons, 3 raids each, chaos, guardian, unas, every single week to keep that gold upkeep, silver upkeep, materials upkeep, people will keep burning out plain and simple. That is the core issue, and until they fix that, people will keep quitting and the game will eventually die in the west, cause western players don't want a second job, they want to have fun in a video game. It should be optional to play more then 1 character, just like every mmo out there, but on one character i should still be able to earn(gold,silver,mats) as much as 6. fix that and lost ark will make a comeback.
The game has 10k players left. So what does the patch actually do that brings in new/retourning players? Solo Raids. Solo Raids give less gold and tier 3 mats aka they are about the be completely worthless with tier 4 release. So we all gonna play tier 4 now and that has cool new shit right? RIGHT? Ohh you have to be 1620? And honing support goes to 1600? That is only half a year of farming for a new player on one char. I am sure they will stick with it that long. They can make alts and sell the mats to make it faster. Ohh I forgot all the mats you turn into gold are worth nothing anymore, because they are tier 3. They ruined their chance by being greedy yet again. Everyone should immideatly get tier 4 access. The fact it is gatekept behind 1620 is a fucking joke.
Holy fuck this comment is so brain dead. Bro we all have literally no idea how everything will play out. It’s still unclear to everyone. We do know there are a ton of GOOD new player changes compared to before (IE Solo Raids and free 5x3 and gems for new characters). At least they can start actually playing the game and earning some gold by doing the raids that got everyone to play the game for this long… If they dropped everyone at 1620, then y’all would be bitching that they are getting gatekept. New players aren’t ready to be 1620. Stop bitching
I'm not unhappy because there is changes or because they are moving up the end goal for our progression, on the contrary, I really don't mind at all, being a long term MMo player. My problem is that every new system they announced/reworked have been design in the spirit of elixir to waste our very limited gold income on more elixir-like systems we won't see the end of it while telling us an average player won't be able to access T4 with most of their roster and suffer from the nerf of gold income on top of needing more gold than ever for the new systems. The gems is just the cherry on top as a massive slap for F2P players. I never expected them to dial down the grind or the P2W but I didn't expect them to dial it up from 2500% to 4000%. Most people stopped listening at solo raid and soft reset without looking at the details and the slides. It won't help new players, it won't help F2P players, whales will just whale out of it and that's the goal. It's not about hating for the sake of hating, I love this game, I seriously hate how much I enjoy this game but it's getting worse for middle hardcore F2P players, that's just a fact.
People do really suffer from short memory loss -SG adds vertical systems for voldis and thaemine -Community constant doom mode cuz we constantly have zero gold and cant catch up -SG announces 20 new vertical systems with same garbage layers of rng -The very same people are happy and "the game is saved" Enjoy your new 2 year gamba for lvl 10 gems cuz im not doing that again on top of other 20 new gold sink systems You need to go to the same voldis and thaemine experience to refresh your memory and remind you. Its quite sad
For me the thing that bothered me was vertical systems that required hard mode raiding. From what I can see the next raid in Korea will have the same upgrade for hard vs normal. Behemoth is normal. Even if there are new vertical systems, I am okay with them as long as not locked behind hard mode content.
- Yes, elixir and transcendence are still there but they have promised nerfs and new raids aren't announced with system yet. Could the nerf suck? sure but let see the results first - Honing is going to be nerfed and 5x3 + gems are essentially going to be permanently free. You do realize this is like the best catch up give of all right? Right now even if you raise and alt with express event or raw you have no setup so your alts wouldn't be able to raid (on expiration). So now you can cook up a full roster and heck with solo raids can start generating gold much than before. Not to mention T4 itself is a soft resets so if that isn't a catch up i don't know what is. - Can you count out what these 20 systems are? If anything, it seems like they are simplifying systems like tripods and engravings. Could the rng suck? yea. But we didn't even get the patch note with the chance values. Also, these systems are replacement of the ones existing not more you have to do.
@@snowpuppii stop it. you read and listened to the actual LOA On....the OP is too smooth brained and just wants to complain without knowing anything about the new systems
@@snowpuppii You do realize that gold from raids is also nerfed? Partyfinder will be half dead and solo raids give you even less gold. But even if new/casual player survives after farming solo raids for months, he will be fucked even more. Good luck on bying leg/relic books for all engraving, bying new acc with decent stats, tapping quality, doing elixirs/transc and thats all with shitty gold income.
Those are hard resets no? You can't convert t1 mats to t2 ect. This is a soft reset, most likely they will allow us to convert t3 to t4 mats but we will see when it comes out
I predict the first few months will create a huge gap between hardcore players with multiple 1620s, and casuals/returners with 1 or 0 1620s. Hustlin the new mats, gems, accessories, bracelets and relic books early will give mad bank, and prices might stay high for a while as demand exceeds supply. But long term the new systems are a huge W for everyone. Pities, 2 gate raids, simpler engraving systems, all good signs for what's to come. omnidirectional god 🙏
I agree with basically everything you said Miso. All of these announcements, while at first sounds like alot to deal with, are also huge massive QoL's to the game. 1) You no longer need to spend 100-200k building a char and cutting stone / accessories / gems. You get all of this to get a functioning character. Amazing change for both new players and veterans. 2) All your alts in T3 now keep all the gold they make because you dont need to buy gems / accessories that you can use on your main. The cost to hone to 1580 is now silver too (so parking at 1580 is basically free) and there is stronghold support for honing to 1620 3) You don't NEED to sit in party finder if your short on time. Just hop into the solo raid and run it. same for if you have raid anxiety. But if you still like raiding, you can! 4) The current endgame just sucks. spending a million gold for 5 ilvl, or a million gold for 2% on a bracelet, or 400k on a damage gem to increase my damage by 3%, or 5 million gold to try and get a +25 weapon that I will pity. Soft resets are great. I hope they continue to give us new armor sets where the raids are +20 and below and whales can chase +25 if they want. Let them blow 5-10 million on a weapon that becomes obsolete. Once we were forced to hone past 1620 where the success rates are 3% at best, it is really horrible and life draining to spend months farming accessories only to pity and lose all of your mats for no gain. -- I can't believe anyone actually wants this to continue, spending a million gold for one armor tap or 5 million gold on a +25 weapon tap. It's just trash and im glad to see it go. Everything above is great changes if new players join the game, or you want to recommend the game for friends. This is good for the life of the game. If you spend 10 million gold hitting 1650 well your gonna lose it, just like when Valtan/Vykas gear changed to Brel gear, which changed to Akkan gear. This was the only path forward. Resets are good. I'm 100% onboard.
You are incorrect on point 2. Silver honing to 1540, SH research to decrease cost honing to 1580 (still costs you gold to research) and no support afterwards. Mokoko Express to 1600, still cancer to hone to 1620 + Elixirs + Transcendence
Don't you still need to get to T4 to be able to use these new systems? for a new players, they give you a mokoko express that might get you to 1620 on 1 char quickly, but then you run into an issue of only having 1 char in a game that if you don't spend money or have a lot of chars you will always be behind, and get gatekept. So these systems might be great, but for new players it still looks like shit. What they should have done is maybe add something to do with the solo raids, some quests or something that help you progress up to 1620 on a character, and lets say it takes 3-4 weeks. In that time, you should be able to learn the game and get to a similar content as most other players. You will still be behind, but at least you have a better chance to catch up.
@@bekon11 The free gems and engraving support is for everyone regardless of Tier. The new 'Ark Passive' and accessory changes are in Tier 4. Yes the mokoko express will get you to 1620 quickly and you can experience 90% of the content in the game as a new player. If you like it enough to continue pushing ot T4 / echidna, behemoth , the new raid etc, you can also make alts to farm gold (in either solo raid or group raids, doesnt matter) and they are basically free now with the free gems and engraving support.
Fully agree with the buying accessory part miso. BDO is the perfect example. There was a time in the game when it took 2-3 months to get to the next upgrade. Grinding grinding for hours every day 200-300M silver per hour so you can buy the 100bil accessory and get it over with after 3moths. Or you can try your luck with the RNG and hit that 10% chance. Having the option is HUGE! Imagine if we could just pay 200-300k gold for a 40set elixir and get the torture out of the way immediately. Or pay a set amount of gold for weapon quality (at least they kinda remedy this with a pity on tier4). But stil, these gold sinks are not good for our mental. Makes us deviate too much from the fun as we focus on "Am I wasting my time on this?"
i still dont see you comment about new players. you keep speaking about t4 rng here and there, but if one of the focus was to gain new player and new income, what did they do? solo raids? wow, i cant wa8 to play alone for 6-7 months just to hit a decent ilvl on ONE character. Cool. What about los30? Ops, we need to shop the hell out of it to gain it and we cant even farm it anymore, no one is doing old content. What about the amount of time ppl need to cut elixir? while youre all enjoing t4, we will be stucked at 1600~ for god know how long and get gatekept for not having 40 elixur ans los30. Sg fault ofc, but the community is at fault as well Good patch for existing and advanced plyers. Nothing to see for returning/new players. If they dont make up a system to reward who help/teach mokoko/returning players then have fun playing between you 1640 players. With time, no new players will join you and many of you will leave. Have fun while it last.
So screw everyone that parked alts at 1600 right? T4 is gatekept at 1620. You'd need millions of gold to push 5x or more to 1620. Meanwhile, all the old content will pretty much be dead in partyfinder, meaning you are shit out of luck. Absolute braindead game design.
@@vula590 ye cause FOR SURE the T3 Mats will cost big amounts of Gold when T4 is coming out so it costs hundreds of millions of gold to push from 1600 to 1620 (irony off) xD i hate doomers
This update is a step in the right direction. But as a veteran who quit, came back, quit again, had new players play during jump start, this game is just far too prestigious. NOT ELITIST. These people cheat and act like it's elitism when they are using bots to run multiple of their characters dailies and earn more mats through botting than RMT. The game at this point cannot really fix the botting issue, it's there to stay. For the love of god fix the systems that cause the incessant toxicity for newer and returning players. Why give so much strength through horizontal? It's just dumb, take it out of the game completely. The card system needs to be removed, the extra Spec/Swift/Crit needs to be removed, Dmg bonus from book collection needs to be removed. 6% demon + 12% spec scaling from 1820+ spec, 15% holy/dark damage. lvl 12 skills giving 6-11% dmg increase. Just take it all away or give it all for free. Put prestige as cosmetic only and POOF so many issues would be fixed. Getting gated because you don't have 10s is one thing. Getting 10s and still getting gated because of stupid shit like 9/7 stone, 6% demon dmg, low spec #, deep dive instead of LOS 30, low roster level is a whole different ball game. Once you get to end end game. All you realize is. Do you NEED this stuff? NO. Do you not want to play lobby simulator to actually enjoy the game? Yes? THEN YOU NEED THIS STUFF. This community keeps acting like you don't need 6% demon dmg, LOS/KLC 30, 220+ Roster LVL, Legendary outfit, 9/7 stones, full lvl 10 gems, 1830+ spec/crit/swift, 2 line bracelets, purple quality+ weapon, +23 weapon or higher. Just stop lying. As long as this game has damage in prestige it will continue to die and I'm glad it dies. All these botters, speed hackers, and rmters don't deserve shit anyway. The streamers who think these systems are okay are just as much to blame. New players can't get into the game. If you quit for even a few months you will lose so much progression because all bits and points of damage makes you look better than the next person. Therefore the gate keeping will always be a thing. I have been running dps meter since march 2022, this game is terrible without it. Loa Logs quite literally shows you everything now. That gap you see between you and someone else is just purely all the things mentioned above. You would be amazed at how much damage every class in the game does with the right buffs, and stat lines. The dumbass tier list from KR is just more fake elitism based on variables they can't even calculate. In all actuality you are just 5-15% dmg behind someone with more statlines than you. MVP screen only fluctuates these issues by reinforcing toxic behavior by only showing the % of dmg from the person who mvp'd with no context to even why. Supports in this game are also the worst of all supports in MMOs. Playing with a bad support is so common that people don't even know what their damage even actually looks like. Took me some years but after making a pally and studying meter/RDPS support Identity buff is so important it's insane. These supports do not press that button either. they can quite literally triple your numbers just from going from a shit support to a good support. Support doing 90/90/10? get gapped, other support at 80/90/40-60? better luck next time. Go ahead and blame yourself and have everyone else in the lobby judge you because your dmg is nowhere near the party with the good support. Shitty ass systems. And they want to nerf yearning when that isn't even the problem. LMAO This game deserves to die honestly. If they fix the issues then all is well. But as long as all of these things are present in the game. You guys are just getting gaslit by your community. AND THAT INCLUDES THE STREAMERS, AND DEVS OF THE GAME. When they did the director stream a few months ago. He did a Q&A the director said and I quote. "All of the classes are balanced. They have seen the meter and it doesn't account for environmental factors" ROFL. I used to hate bussers because I felt like it ruined the game. I remember talking to Napoleon and he was absolutely right. This game is trash and develops systems to be divisive and promote bussing. It's true, it doesn't just promote bussing though. Get every advantage you can by any means necessary. It promotes DPS meter usage, Botting, RMTing, gate keeping and all other issues. Happy Thaemine NA Lost Ark. The koreans developed another good game with garbage systems as per usual.
Tier 4 has always been about raising the floor for new players. The game will always be about shifting the goal posts through raising the ceiling. The whole topic has the underlying currency of time. T4 is to reduce the amount of time it takes for mokokos to reach out current power while increasing the time it takes for veterans to reach the ceiling. The game is padded so the content is stretched out. If you complete your gear, you won't play with others. I argue they should let people take breaks, but that goes against their monetization and design. At the end of the day, all the arguments are all about time. And we have a ton of disagreements with Smilegate.
Change is good! If games don't adapt they just slowly die. Pity and guaranteed systems are necessary. Some of the commets are from hardcore players that don't think about the health of the game. A change was needed to keep the game alive. Now solo enjoyers and casual players, like me, can come back to the game.
now this take is what I can say the best one for the upcomming changes.. a huge META change might also gonna happen with this change.. which also good or bad..
A lot of hate yet Ive never been more excited to get back into the game. I parked at 1370-1510 on my main and alts, so I am excited to try content I haven't experienced yet, at my own pace.
I understand the feeling of not getting bis before the goal post moves but lost ark is just not that kind of mmo there are way to many systems to realistically hit bis on all of them.. I also don’t understand feeling like you time is wasted with hard reset or soft resets if you were able to do the content and make use of your character your time was not wasted it’s just time to work towards a new goal
too many people in the west expect to "get everything" in a video game by playing it casually for a bit. Last decade of Ubisoft games have made them too demanding.
@@hubachecka for me I only care about reasonably being able to get the majority power gains in not the type to chase after a low chance 1% increase. My only gripe with lost ark is that they don’t nerf older systems so newer players have an easier time getting into the game so they can start working on the current power system grind soon with everyone else.. when you have to grind all the systems at once and they are all still as hard as they were when they released it becomes way to daunting to feel like you can ever catch up
to comment on what you were talking about for the accessories and rng and buying from market, it reminded me of how i played bdo, since i hated rng in that game all i would ever do is save up silver (their version of gold) and just buy what i wanted from someone else off the market.
Whoever is a huge doomer and wants to go cold turkey and quit---- please donate your gold and gems to new mokokos and uninstall. Two birds with one stone ❤ just do it. No point in complaining for the next year and get your hopes up. I love the new changes. If you don't enjoy playing anymore, just do yourself a favor and move on. 👌
that's how i understood things. They're eliminating the barriers of playing the game for new and returning players, and putting the RNG and luck on min maxing. Like you said, if you can get like 90% of all the potential power from the start, and the RNG holds the last 10% of your power, it's a solid change. It lets' you continuously burn gold to try to get that last 10%, but do you need to? No... It also lets you push alts easier because gearing one isn't as bad. Did they address the old card system? No, but considering the amount of changes and stuff that will be happening next month, i'm sure it'll be dealt with at some point. They've at least added an additional tier to LoS, so you don't just gain 8% at 30, but instead get a halfway point, and gain 4% on each. I'm sure they are aware of the issues, but haven't figured out a good way to transition away from cards yet. It's probably just me copping hard, but I think the ark passive system was a step towards addressing the card problem.
my main issue assuming they are keeping the same drip feeding as t3, gems are going to be converted to 8's which is cool at the start, but the higher tiers still exist and will still be the biggest gatekeeping power system in the game seperating new players & mid from high end, was hoping for a system change for gems more than anything since you are punished for playing multiple classes, and punished for playing multiple dps. Having to hone + get ur dps alts high level gems just to enjoy content that doesn't require them is just annoying imo. Love all the engraving/ark w.e systems.
You really think that 90% of power will be easy and difference will be 10%? There is no way that will be the case. Those gaps will be massive as they are now, elixirs and transcendence can almost double your damage against someone who dont have it and that are systems which are staying, on top of that we are getting many more and I am pretty sure they will not make them optional. If you think that difference will be so small, you probably did not play same game as I did...
and where excating they are "removing" barrier for new players? solo raid for god know how long to reach 1610 and cut the elixir until u have good one and 40 at least. What about los 30? If you dont have it, you are gatekept. Go tell new players to shop the hell out of it in order to player. Solo raids, yeah cool. Useless to reach 1610 for theamine if then u cannot get a lobby cuz u dont have all of this. Tell me where the barrier is removed, please
@@BrandonIkarosPesoli yeah I have actually second roster and after like 9 months it still dont have LoS 30, I got all cards from vendors I am saving all selectors, but I basically need like 15 more selectors to make LoS 30 and we are getting basically none, maybe one every quater or so and from weekly abyss they are basically not dropping. Well and sure I am gatekept, quite well built chars at 1605 (19 weapon) one got even 35 elixirs set (I suppose I am rejected based on cards without people even noticing), still I am often gatekept even from Brelshaza, highest content I can go is Akkan NM, noone will take me to Voldis NM or if I would push my 5ilvl to Thaemine without LoS 30. So exactly as you say, people will get somehow to 1640 and then they will be gatekept for cards, elixirs and transcendence, nothing really changed...
people are just mad because they want to close gap between whales and f2p, here in western we are so anti about p2w aspect in any krmmo and will always hating p2w aspect.
Your message came across loud and clear "Fuck New players and Returning players am I right" lol. Who needs them and Who cares if everything gets more expensive and we have more card things now that was being gatekept in the first place also elixers and transcendence isn't even cheaper by much and all the other shit. Man this game is going downhill fast as shit and I don't care what anybody says man
the rerason why people are so pissed off is because the things they have been asking for are now locked behind a whole new tier instead of addressing the problems NOW they are telling you "we want you to suffer so you can suffer a bit less" like why do cards still exist in the game they should at this point either give everyone los30 or flat out remove the system even in KR they hate this system to hell and have been asking for it to be removed forever and they are so hellbent on RNG systems taht no one wants anymore
people spent years farming it and thousands of dollars on it. removing it is never going to happen. It gets nerf by giving more selectors (events, challenge abyss, music box of memories), adding new cards to merchants (azena, kharmine, both new continents came out with their legendary card at the merchant from the beginning) etc. LOS 30 will still take time but its very doable. I have an alt roster with LOS18 in about 2 months without buying card packs or doing music box of memories or doing the kadan island una etc.
Yeah thats also something odd. The changes to some of the flaws in the system require you to hit 1620 yet nothing from what I see addresses how much of a pain that is to get to.
The fact they added a 24 node to LoS what just the perfect example to demonstrate that they don't play the game (which they absolutely assume by the way) nor understand how the players play it, it was a fun moment.
For those who are upset and say they want to quit: you should quit. Even if you find an excuse not to quit; quit. You can always come back afterwards if you still want to play, but clearly there's something wrong if you're just malding constantly over a game. Don't watch videos, don't look in discords, just go do something else.
Counter argument, Quality is an obsolete system, ppl are done with it, why bring it back to T4? Just let the old stuff die, same as elixirs and transcendence, ppl hate it, remove it, same as cards… but their profits comes first.
the 1st thing they shoulda remove 3 years ago - its roster lvl visible for everyone. Cause there is no point to have this besides create crazy gatekeeping of a newer players... They understood the assignment and updated max roster to lvl 400 xdd
@omg1876 just add smth new. It would still suck but at least players know they are done with quality or gems. Elixirs, bracelets, transcendence, etc were all new, not old things made into more gold sinks
We all lack gold and best gold source AND most fun part of the game is raiding. New and returning players just don't want to be gatekept in the raids. What has SG done to alleviate this problem? As long as gatekeeping is minimal, we don't mind taking time to gradually work on our characters. Why don't they increase rewards if people start using the matchmaking system? Maybe slightly reduce damage taken via a buff? No one uses it at the moment.
The people who hate t4 and whole LOAON are just straight up doomers (similar to Reddit andies), and will not like regardless whatever changes will come. Seriously, the new season literally let you instantly catch up to latest content with 1620-1640 conversions. Then new passive trees help you avoid spent thousands of pheon building char from ground up. Whole Loaon is huge W for new and old players, some people just hate on the game and refuse to move on.
yes, i feel like this idiot streamers are just doing it for content and just to get subs just like that kanima guy BEST THING THAT WILL HAPPEN JUST SHUT DOWN THE GAME SO THIS CLOWNS WONT GET TO CONTENT ANOTHER LOST ARK LIKE CONTENT AND END UP DOING CONTENTS ON THE TRASH 1 CHARACTER GAMES THIS GUYS ARE BINGING ON THE FACT THAT THIS GAME IS HAVING A LOT OF HYPE IN THE PAST 3 YEARS
I mean, overall it was good. If people had to push to 1640 then that would have caused many to give up. Personally, I thought there was almost nothing they could do to stop me from quitting, but they did a heck a lot more than I was expecting and that deserves some attention. People that have multiple 1610+s will be doing good because now they don't have to bother with the hell of honing past 1620 in Akkan gear. So maybe people can play more than 1 main again-- the 1 main meta is annoying because it can get boring and sometimes balance patches may screw you if stuck with one class, and also makes support trades potentially impossible in future content. People aren't going to push support alts to 1630 for sure and support shortage runs wild Personally, I've never worried about my old achievements becoming obsolete. I'm sure many of us spent hella to hone to 1370 or 1490 back then or grinding valtan/vykas/brel armor and that's basically free these days. Granted everyone's different. I never honed past 1620 nor do I have any level 10 gems but I suppose I would have been a bit upset if I did. But what would even be more upsetting is having nobody to play with. I am not really sure about new players though. Yes solo raids will let them progress and not get gatekept, but then you're like dropping them off as Thaemine as their first actual raid, and then we got so many systems and people will naturally gatekeep for all of them. Especially if we still have single player wipe mechanics for normal modes of raids-- they didn't address that at all, did they? Also they didn't say anything about making 1580+ honing better besides expresses but those as always are just bandaids. And of course the biggest elephant of the room is the rotting and festering systems of elixirs/transcedence, which will stick with us through t4. Yes you have more mats and less cost, but the actual process of doing them also wastes too much time and the time gates don't help. I think the overall effect is that it kicks the can down the road, and that's a good thing. But we have the problem of just kinda waiting for t4 and a lot of players may just feel that they may not want to play as much for now since t4 may invalidate a good chunk of it. My thought is that t4 just needs to come asap, so people don't have these doubts bothering them, and others won't leave. But then again, it's not a bad time to take a break either.
You still did not address the elephant in the room - the new player experience, which is the most important part (because without new players there is only one way this story can end), the new changes are a net NEGATIVE and a BIG L for new players, they get them hardstuck between 1580-1620 earning gold only from solo raids (which is less than normal raids) and even if they make it past that point (which is unlikely) they will be OMEGA GATEKEPT.
i hate comments like this. the new express events will take you past 1600-1620. putting as brand new player in end game content is retarded. they will only buy busses and/or get gatekept by people and rightfully so because YOU wouldnt want a brand new player in your end game raid. this is an rpg. you dont just get to have access to the most difficult content in a free game just because you decided to log in. shit takes time.
@neverseed1 the express event does not help. It just throws new players into the most difficult raids and it overwhelms them. Valtan, vykas, clown, etc all progressively got more difficult. New players should be able to go through the same route instead of jumping to akkan/voldis. There needs to be a mentorship system like ffxiv or something similar. Solo raids solve this, but what happens when the solo raider reaches t4 and raids are no longer solo? The core issues still exist.
@@neverseed1 first of all, NO the event will NOT take you to 1620, it provides support only untill 1600, and than from 1600-1620 on average case scenario it takes 450k RAW TAP GOLD not even considering the other materials, and with the pittence they are going to earn in solo raid you think new players will stick around? you are delusional sir, and also what will players do when its not event time???. And why would ANYONE want to invite a new player into their group when they are doing 40% less damage than someone who have elixirs/trans???? this is not a problem of the gatekeepers its a problem of game design, and the new head bozo did ZERO so far to address it.
@@BuffPomsky it's almost like this is an MMO with GUILDS in it that help people with similar goals. stop trying to play it like a single player game and you wont have a problem. there are a ton of resources to find compatible guilds to play with.
@@999karai you have no idea what the gold costs will be. they are NERFING costs SIGNIFICANTLY to get to 1620 which you would know if you bothered to fucking read anything instead of behaving like a react andy.
cant wait to see the content creators for this game get burnt as it dies and much better games get released. The game has rng on rng on rng, how can you be like yeah a bit more RNG is fine while they never nerf or reduce old rng systems while introducing a new one. Look at quality tapping and elixirs. Instead of nerfing the rng aspect of these systems as they add new rng systems they just kept them the same and now a new player or returning player has to get through 10 layers of RNG just to get to the fun part and not be gatekept? yeah screw that! Glad i took a break from the game again. I'm gonna try out solo raids when they come out and if the game is even still alive by then but you all can stay in the sweat shop. Enjoy till server shutdown!
Not entirely true. While I agreee they should rework older systems like Bracelets and Quality tapping, they did give out a ton for newer players which was worth a fortunate back in the days. One of the old systems did actually get reworked and is now basically free and instantly BIS for newer players (the tripod system). They give you a ton of quality free taps, and free elixiers (elixiers still need way too much time and are a garbage system) but still, saying they didnt do anything to the old systems for newer players is wrong.
For me solo raid is like for the 2nd class citizen of lostark. This mode can keep some ppl playing to create the number of players in the game. Until they climb to T4 and found that in T4 is full of cheater rmter busdriver bot which those ppl cause inflation economy. and yes those 1st class citizen gonna gatekeep u guys the 2nd class, hehe. So in conclusion, solo mode is just solution for entry level but not the core issues of the game.
Just come back to the game in a year. Once smilegate and amazon are done milking all the bozos they will give you a express with everything on it already😂 they did it 3 times already.
I am not anywhere near the finish line and they r raising the ceiling lmao when can i ever push my alts without feeling bad for not pushing my main with that gold... o never or when i swipe for hundreds of dollars lmao yea the more i think about it the more i think im not gonna do that
Brooo. My stone actually 97 rn, on lv2 adre . Without spend and just luck atm when i dunno , aynone can become 6x3 soon but . I dunno damage increase between 77 and 97 is
some people just hate fuck the game so there will always be people complaining but im def excited about t4, at the end of the day its a video game and if you dont like it just go play something else. people investing so much time and effort when they couldv done that with the stock market or new skills or learning a language.
I think the issue is that it only addresses concerns for the most hardcore of the game while leaving most others behind. Its more of the same to me at the end of the day with a soft reset at best. Dont think these changes help much with the issues the global server is experiencing right now.
yeah i bet the botters are making a noise just to put a negative on this game cause they got hit hard! but if you look at LA korea its a damn 80k Strong population the live stream itself from LOA-ON is the proof it is really popular that other MMO's
@@aerostrafe1075 what issues doesn't it help with? It helps with so many of them and its good and healthy for the game. Being gatekept on a 1630 raid that you need a +25 weapon that costs up to 5 million gold for a SINGLE tap if you pity, which only contributes to ~1.4% dmg anyway, is bad for the game. Anyone who wants to stay in the current gear is just dumb. It's trash. I'll gladly take the soft reset. And in the beginning of T4, now you can go back and do theamine once you hit 1620 and gear transfer. You'll also be way stronger which will lower the gatekeep level too versus the current situation. It's a win win win. I'll gladly go back to spending less than 50k for a single gear tap vs spending a million. To having my resources actually make a difference vs spending 3 months farming to collect enough mats to get 5 ilvls.
I think you need to learn what the definition of a hard reset is. Hard reset would be: Your character loses almost all of its current power, you gotta start honing new gear from level 1-25, all your gems are erased, cards completely removed, engravings completely removed and gold is no longer a currency in the game. The reality is we won't hone the new gear from level 1, our current gems will transfer over to the new gems (sure 2 levels lower but the power remains the same) etc etc. So yes, soft reset is accurate.
One mistake I made in the video, mats between tier 1, 2, and 3 were not convertible but given this is a soft reset and not a hard reset like the other tiers, I don’t think it is completely out of the realm of possibility that we can convert the mats.
Additionally, it’s Echidna honing coming up I don’t expect most players to have an excess of mats anyways since that will take up a good bit of mats.
it’s also worth noting that even if they aren’t able to be converted these mats won’t instantly become worthless, there will still be plenty of alts below 1620 farming these mats for some time so it’s still okay to do dailies and sell them if there is no conversion, and just buy the new mats with that gold (the conversion this way will probably very poor lol but still an option). this does mean bound mats will be useless if that is the case which would be unfortunate but hopefully that won’t be the case.
The worst part is the little change with elixir and transedence. reducing gold is not enough. I don't level up my alts to 1620 because I don't want to go through the hell of making elixir. And now if I don't have alts in 1620 I won't farm T4 material....
It takes 3 minutes to cut an elixir. literally. If you can't take 3 minutes to cut one, idk what to tell you.
@@fataliity101its not about the time. Its just a shit system. My main took sub 150k to go from 0-40 set. My slayer took over 350k to do the same thing. Mostly rng with no pity. Getting glove/helm set pieces is worse than drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth lol
These people complaining about 'the doomers' have a lot more faith in Smilegate than I do. Will see when things come out but it's always going to be a kmmo
I can't disagree more with this. They replaced the previous engraving system with a different RNG system. To get a functioning character now you have to wait until all the whales buy the books and then you can slowly begin to purchase them as your gold allows. You won't have a 6x3 for who knows how long.
This system would only work if you could not purchase gold. Unfortunately the way they implemented this is horrible. They should have horizontal content that unlocked your engravings or something. That would be meaningful horizontal.
I think that’s fine that we don’t get 6x3 day one… it means it’s something to work for. If u look back, my main only got her 5x3 when I did Hard Vykas (I think that was 3 or 4 months after release? And my alts still had 4x3 even at Clown. Is it really a problem that we don’t reach the ceiling of engravings quickly? The content we will likely be getting with T4 is behemoth and clearly that content is clearable without 6x3.
Yeah the whales will have 6x3 fairly quickly but personally I have no issue with that. This is a Korean MMO and I expect this type of monetization model with the style of game. I’ll catch up over time.
Not having 6x3 at the same time as everyone isn't even the issue. Eventually you will be able to buy all Engraving Books, even if you can only buy 1 book a month.
Like @pipocaacida5310 said, I don't want want to have to deal with TWO shitty RNG systems once I reach 1610 AND THEN things get slightly better, only to be at the same spot as we are right now.
Except you won't have to deal with them right away. The only thing stopping you from T4 is the ilvl.
The new stuff will probably give you enough damage increase to substitute what you are missing. The new raids will give even more gold too. The t3 systems will be nerfed again probably.
Then you can go back and pretty much get all the stuff you are missing so much faster and easier than now.
@@shiranuishogunsaga8451 You do realize you need 120 books right? if you do 1 a month thats 120 months = 10 years. Are you serious or trolling...
@@JeyJ24 I'm not missing anything from T3. I'm 1630+ 40 set with full transcendence. The issue is you need literally 120 relic engraving books to finish your build. I don't know about you but it took me a full year to get 20 grudge books. Its not about going back to old content its about progressing in the new content which is pretty much effed except for the whales.
i understand what you mean by saying every mmo has changes to new systems new gears, but if you look at ff14 or wow, getting to that end game can take like 3-4 months on 1 toon and your good, meanwhile in lost ark i grinded my ass off for 18 months to finally hit 1620, while doing homework on 6 toons for that one toon to be strong, you got to look at every perspective, if it takes way way way longer to reach a goal, then that phase should also be longer. The core Issue is homework, and nothing in this loa on is changing that, you can only apply so much band aid on a fractured leg, but if you don't fix the "core" issue that is what people want to see change, lost ark doesn't respect our busy live's and don't say then only play one toon argument, you will never reach end game with end game players, you will be stuck in old raids with nerfed gold if you play "one toon"
I agree with what you said, but I think the fundamental problem is the cadence in the west is too fast. If we've been having the same pace instead of trying to catch up to KR, I think it'll be much more relaxed. There was essentially no farming period for us
Without nerfing old honing and old systems its gg for new players.
It will be sad to say but first year of lost ark in eu/na is worthless.
A lot of my guildies started last year or just came back after a year and we are all pretty equal doin hm taemine for the last 2 weeks.
If uve played LA every day in 2022 what did u get from it? Probably u had card sets few months faster than others and u have higher rooster lvl xd
they are gonna nerf the cost till 1580 to only silver cost, correct me if I'm wrong.. and they will give a pass to 1600. and some rewards going to 1640 (1620). unless you really trying to get a 6 toons to 1640.. it will be really a long grind.. but right now our grind is really a hard one to end game 1630.. but once soft reset occur.. we'll probably get multiple 1640 if you save up some mats and resources till then and adapt.. cause 1620 will translate to 1640..
@@holybread2991 Silver cost to 1540 is what I heard. Cost reduction to 1580 no clue if its both gold+mat reduction or just gold D:
@@RagingSorrowDR As long as lost ark does not respect people's time, almost forcing them to play 6 toons, 3 raids each, chaos, guardian, unas, every single week to keep that gold upkeep, silver upkeep, materials upkeep, people will keep burning out plain and simple. That is the core issue, and until they fix that, people will keep quitting and the game will eventually die in the west, cause western players don't want a second job, they want to have fun in a video game. It should be optional to play more then 1 character, just like every mmo out there, but on one character i should still be able to earn(gold,silver,mats) as much as 6. fix that and lost ark will make a comeback.
The game has 10k players left. So what does the patch actually do that brings in new/retourning players? Solo Raids. Solo Raids give less gold and tier 3 mats aka they are about the be completely worthless with tier 4 release. So we all gonna play tier 4 now and that has cool new shit right? RIGHT? Ohh you have to be 1620? And honing support goes to 1600? That is only half a year of farming for a new player on one char. I am sure they will stick with it that long. They can make alts and sell the mats to make it faster. Ohh I forgot all the mats you turn into gold are worth nothing anymore, because they are tier 3. They ruined their chance by being greedy yet again. Everyone should immideatly get tier 4 access. The fact it is gatekept behind 1620 is a fucking joke.
the new express pass supports up to 1620. wtf are you even crying about
when the patch drops, there wont even be that many players left
10k? is that a made up number? O_O
@@speedygaming-w8vlearn to look at steam charts then learn what bots are clown
Holy fuck this comment is so brain dead.
Bro we all have literally no idea how everything will play out. It’s still unclear to everyone. We do know there are a ton of GOOD new player changes compared to before (IE Solo Raids and free 5x3 and gems for new characters). At least they can start actually playing the game and earning some gold by doing the raids that got everyone to play the game for this long…
If they dropped everyone at 1620, then y’all would be bitching that they are getting gatekept. New players aren’t ready to be 1620. Stop bitching
I'm not unhappy because there is changes or because they are moving up the end goal for our progression, on the contrary, I really don't mind at all, being a long term MMo player.
My problem is that every new system they announced/reworked have been design in the spirit of elixir to waste our very limited gold income on more elixir-like systems we won't see the end of it while telling us an average player won't be able to access T4 with most of their roster and suffer from the nerf of gold income on top of needing more gold than ever for the new systems. The gems is just the cherry on top as a massive slap for F2P players.
I never expected them to dial down the grind or the P2W but I didn't expect them to dial it up from 2500% to 4000%. Most people stopped listening at solo raid and soft reset without looking at the details and the slides.
It won't help new players, it won't help F2P players, whales will just whale out of it and that's the goal. It's not about hating for the sake of hating, I love this game, I seriously hate how much I enjoy this game but it's getting worse for middle hardcore F2P players, that's just a fact.
People do really suffer from short memory loss
-SG adds vertical systems for voldis and thaemine
-Community constant doom mode cuz we constantly have zero gold and cant catch up
-SG announces 20 new vertical systems with same garbage layers of rng
-The very same people are happy and "the game is saved"
Enjoy your new 2 year gamba for lvl 10 gems cuz im not doing that again on top of other 20 new gold sink systems
You need to go to the same voldis and thaemine experience to refresh your memory and remind you. Its quite sad
For me the thing that bothered me was vertical systems that required hard mode raiding. From what I can see the next raid in Korea will have the same upgrade for hard vs normal. Behemoth is normal. Even if there are new vertical systems, I am okay with them as long as not locked behind hard mode content.
- Yes, elixir and transcendence are still there but they have promised nerfs and new raids aren't announced with system yet. Could the nerf suck? sure but let see the results first
- Honing is going to be nerfed and 5x3 + gems are essentially going to be permanently free. You do realize this is like the best catch up give of all right? Right now even if you raise and alt with express event or raw you have no setup so your alts wouldn't be able to raid (on expiration). So now you can cook up a full roster and heck with solo raids can start generating gold much than before. Not to mention T4 itself is a soft resets so if that isn't a catch up i don't know what is.
- Can you count out what these 20 systems are? If anything, it seems like they are simplifying systems like tripods and engravings. Could the rng suck? yea. But we didn't even get the patch note with the chance values. Also, these systems are replacement of the ones existing not more you have to do.
@@snowpuppii stop it. you read and listened to the actual LOA On....the OP is too smooth brained and just wants to complain without knowing anything about the new systems
@@snowpuppii You do realize that gold from raids is also nerfed? Partyfinder will be half dead and solo raids give you even less gold. But even if new/casual player survives after farming solo raids for months, he will be fucked even more. Good luck on bying leg/relic books for all engraving, bying new acc with decent stats, tapping quality, doing elixirs/transc and thats all with shitty gold income.
OP just quit the game already. Nothing will please you at this point.
T1 to T2 to T3 did not allow conversion of mats. You are misinforming people.
Ur right. I mis-remembered this one.
Those are hard resets no? You can't convert t1 mats to t2 ect. This is a soft reset, most likely they will allow us to convert t3 to t4 mats but we will see when it comes out
I predict the first few months will create a huge gap between hardcore players with multiple 1620s, and casuals/returners with 1 or 0 1620s. Hustlin the new mats, gems, accessories, bracelets and relic books early will give mad bank, and prices might stay high for a while as demand exceeds supply.
But long term the new systems are a huge W for everyone. Pities, 2 gate raids, simpler engraving systems, all good signs for what's to come. omnidirectional god 🙏
I agree with basically everything you said Miso. All of these announcements, while at first sounds like alot to deal with, are also huge massive QoL's to the game.
1) You no longer need to spend 100-200k building a char and cutting stone / accessories / gems. You get all of this to get a functioning character. Amazing change for both new players and veterans.
2) All your alts in T3 now keep all the gold they make because you dont need to buy gems / accessories that you can use on your main. The cost to hone to 1580 is now silver too (so parking at 1580 is basically free) and there is stronghold support for honing to 1620
3) You don't NEED to sit in party finder if your short on time. Just hop into the solo raid and run it. same for if you have raid anxiety. But if you still like raiding, you can!
4) The current endgame just sucks. spending a million gold for 5 ilvl, or a million gold for 2% on a bracelet, or 400k on a damage gem to increase my damage by 3%, or 5 million gold to try and get a +25 weapon that I will pity. Soft resets are great. I hope they continue to give us new armor sets where the raids are +20 and below and whales can chase +25 if they want. Let them blow 5-10 million on a weapon that becomes obsolete. Once we were forced to hone past 1620 where the success rates are 3% at best, it is really horrible and life draining to spend months farming accessories only to pity and lose all of your mats for no gain.
-- I can't believe anyone actually wants this to continue, spending a million gold for one armor tap or 5 million gold on a +25 weapon tap. It's just trash and im glad to see it go.
Everything above is great changes if new players join the game, or you want to recommend the game for friends. This is good for the life of the game. If you spend 10 million gold hitting 1650 well your gonna lose it, just like when Valtan/Vykas gear changed to Brel gear, which changed to Akkan gear. This was the only path forward.
Resets are good. I'm 100% onboard.
You are incorrect on point 2. Silver honing to 1540, SH research to decrease cost honing to 1580 (still costs you gold to research) and no support afterwards. Mokoko Express to 1600, still cancer to hone to 1620 + Elixirs + Transcendence
Elixir changes when???
Don't you still need to get to T4 to be able to use these new systems? for a new players, they give you a mokoko express that might get you to 1620 on 1 char quickly, but then you run into an issue of only having 1 char in a game that if you don't spend money or have a lot of chars you will always be behind, and get gatekept. So these systems might be great, but for new players it still looks like shit. What they should have done is maybe add something to do with the solo raids, some quests or something that help you progress up to 1620 on a character, and lets say it takes 3-4 weeks. In that time, you should be able to learn the game and get to a similar content as most other players. You will still be behind, but at least you have a better chance to catch up.
@@bekon11 The free gems and engraving support is for everyone regardless of Tier. The new 'Ark Passive' and accessory changes are in Tier 4. Yes the mokoko express will get you to 1620 quickly and you can experience 90% of the content in the game as a new player. If you like it enough to continue pushing ot T4 / echidna, behemoth , the new raid etc, you can also make alts to farm gold (in either solo raid or group raids, doesnt matter) and they are basically free now with the free gems and engraving support.
Fully agree with the buying accessory part miso. BDO is the perfect example. There was a time in the game when it took 2-3 months to get to the next upgrade. Grinding grinding for hours every day 200-300M silver per hour so you can buy the 100bil accessory and get it over with after 3moths. Or you can try your luck with the RNG and hit that 10% chance. Having the option is HUGE!
Imagine if we could just pay 200-300k gold for a 40set elixir and get the torture out of the way immediately. Or pay a set amount of gold for weapon quality (at least they kinda remedy this with a pity on tier4). But stil, these gold sinks are not good for our mental. Makes us deviate too much from the fun as we focus on "Am I wasting my time on this?"
May morning p2w if you could not purchase gold with cash this would be a great option.
i still dont see you comment about new players. you keep speaking about t4 rng here and there, but if one of the focus was to gain new player and new income, what did they do? solo raids? wow, i cant wa8 to play alone for 6-7 months just to hit a decent ilvl on ONE character. Cool. What about los30? Ops, we need to shop the hell out of it to gain it and we cant even farm it anymore, no one is doing old content. What about the amount of time ppl need to cut elixir? while youre all enjoing t4, we will be stucked at 1600~ for god know how long and get gatekept for not having 40 elixur ans los30. Sg fault ofc, but the community is at fault as well
Good patch for existing and advanced plyers. Nothing to see for returning/new players. If they dont make up a system to reward who help/teach mokoko/returning players then have fun playing between you 1640 players. With time, no new players will join you and many of you will leave. Have fun while it last.
So screw everyone that parked alts at 1600 right? T4 is gatekept at 1620. You'd need millions of gold to push 5x or more to 1620. Meanwhile, all the old content will pretty much be dead in partyfinder, meaning you are shit out of luck. Absolute braindead game design.
missing a couple braincells but its all good. you can move onto the next game now
@@vula590 ye cause FOR SURE the T3 Mats will cost big amounts of Gold when T4 is coming out so it costs hundreds of millions of gold to push from 1600 to 1620 (irony off) xD i hate doomers
This update is a step in the right direction. But as a veteran who quit, came back, quit again, had new players play during jump start, this game is just far too prestigious. NOT ELITIST. These people cheat and act like it's elitism when they are using bots to run multiple of their characters dailies and earn more mats through botting than RMT. The game at this point cannot really fix the botting issue, it's there to stay. For the love of god fix the systems that cause the incessant toxicity for newer and returning players.
Why give so much strength through horizontal? It's just dumb, take it out of the game completely. The card system needs to be removed, the extra Spec/Swift/Crit needs to be removed, Dmg bonus from book collection needs to be removed. 6% demon + 12% spec scaling from 1820+ spec, 15% holy/dark damage. lvl 12 skills giving 6-11% dmg increase. Just take it all away or give it all for free. Put prestige as cosmetic only and POOF so many issues would be fixed. Getting gated because you don't have 10s is one thing. Getting 10s and still getting gated because of stupid shit like 9/7 stone, 6% demon dmg, low spec #, deep dive instead of LOS 30, low roster level is a whole different ball game.
Once you get to end end game. All you realize is. Do you NEED this stuff? NO. Do you not want to play lobby simulator to actually enjoy the game? Yes? THEN YOU NEED THIS STUFF. This community keeps acting like you don't need 6% demon dmg, LOS/KLC 30, 220+ Roster LVL, Legendary outfit, 9/7 stones, full lvl 10 gems, 1830+ spec/crit/swift, 2 line bracelets, purple quality+ weapon, +23 weapon or higher. Just stop lying.
As long as this game has damage in prestige it will continue to die and I'm glad it dies. All these botters, speed hackers, and rmters don't deserve shit anyway. The streamers who think these systems are okay are just as much to blame. New players can't get into the game. If you quit for even a few months you will lose so much progression because all bits and points of damage makes you look better than the next person. Therefore the gate keeping will always be a thing.
I have been running dps meter since march 2022, this game is terrible without it. Loa Logs quite literally shows you everything now. That gap you see between you and someone else is just purely all the things mentioned above. You would be amazed at how much damage every class in the game does with the right buffs, and stat lines. The dumbass tier list from KR is just more fake elitism based on variables they can't even calculate. In all actuality you are just 5-15% dmg behind someone with more statlines than you. MVP screen only fluctuates these issues by reinforcing toxic behavior by only showing the % of dmg from the person who mvp'd with no context to even why.
Supports in this game are also the worst of all supports in MMOs. Playing with a bad support is so common that people don't even know what their damage even actually looks like. Took me some years but after making a pally and studying meter/RDPS support Identity buff is so important it's insane. These supports do not press that button either. they can quite literally triple your numbers just from going from a shit support to a good support. Support doing 90/90/10? get gapped, other support at 80/90/40-60? better luck next time. Go ahead and blame yourself and have everyone else in the lobby judge you because your dmg is nowhere near the party with the good support. Shitty ass systems. And they want to nerf yearning when that isn't even the problem. LMAO
This game deserves to die honestly. If they fix the issues then all is well. But as long as all of these things are present in the game. You guys are just getting gaslit by your community. AND THAT INCLUDES THE STREAMERS, AND DEVS OF THE GAME. When they did the director stream a few months ago. He did a Q&A the director said and I quote. "All of the classes are balanced. They have seen the meter and it doesn't account for environmental factors" ROFL.
I used to hate bussers because I felt like it ruined the game. I remember talking to Napoleon and he was absolutely right. This game is trash and develops systems to be divisive and promote bussing. It's true, it doesn't just promote bussing though. Get every advantage you can by any means necessary. It promotes DPS meter usage, Botting, RMTing, gate keeping and all other issues. Happy Thaemine NA Lost Ark. The koreans developed another good game with garbage systems as per usual.
Tier 4 has always been about raising the floor for new players. The game will always be about shifting the goal posts through raising the ceiling.
The whole topic has the underlying currency of time. T4 is to reduce the amount of time it takes for mokokos to reach out current power while increasing the time it takes for veterans to reach the ceiling.
The game is padded so the content is stretched out. If you complete your gear, you won't play with others. I argue they should let people take breaks, but that goes against their monetization and design.
At the end of the day, all the arguments are all about time. And we have a ton of disagreements with Smilegate.
I'm sure if they announced that with t4 they would give everyone 40 sets for free, people would still be unhappy
Change is good! If games don't adapt they just slowly die. Pity and guaranteed systems are necessary. Some of the commets are from hardcore players that don't think about the health of the game. A change was needed to keep the game alive. Now solo enjoyers and casual players, like me, can come back to the game.
now this take is what I can say the best one for the upcomming changes.. a huge META change might also gonna happen with this change.. which also good or bad..
A lot of hate yet Ive never been more excited to get back into the game. I parked at 1370-1510 on my main and alts, so I am excited to try content I haven't experienced yet, at my own pace.
I understand the feeling of not getting bis before the goal post moves but lost ark is just not that kind of mmo there are way to many systems to realistically hit bis on all of them.. I also don’t understand feeling like you time is wasted with hard reset or soft resets if you were able to do the content and make use of your character your time was not wasted it’s just time to work towards a new goal
too many people in the west expect to "get everything" in a video game by playing it casually for a bit. Last decade of Ubisoft games have
made them too demanding.
@@hubachecka for me I only care about reasonably being able to get the majority power gains in not the type to chase after a low chance 1% increase. My only gripe with lost ark is that they don’t nerf older systems so newer players have an easier time getting into the game so they can start working on the current power system grind soon with everyone else.. when you have to grind all the systems at once and they are all still as hard as they were when they released it becomes way to daunting to feel like you can ever catch up
I think only the full time nolifers are happy with the update lol
to comment on what you were talking about for the accessories and rng and buying from market, it reminded me of how i played bdo, since i hated rng in that game all i would ever do is save up silver (their version of gold) and just buy what i wanted from someone else off the market.
Whoever is a huge doomer and wants to go cold turkey and quit---- please donate your gold and gems to new mokokos and uninstall. Two birds with one stone ❤ just do it. No point in complaining for the next year and get your hopes up. I love the new changes. If you don't enjoy playing anymore, just do yourself a favor and move on. 👌
that's how i understood things. They're eliminating the barriers of playing the game for new and returning players, and putting the RNG and luck on min maxing. Like you said, if you can get like 90% of all the potential power from the start, and the RNG holds the last 10% of your power, it's a solid change. It lets' you continuously burn gold to try to get that last 10%, but do you need to? No... It also lets you push alts easier because gearing one isn't as bad.
Did they address the old card system? No, but considering the amount of changes and stuff that will be happening next month, i'm sure it'll be dealt with at some point. They've at least added an additional tier to LoS, so you don't just gain 8% at 30, but instead get a halfway point, and gain 4% on each. I'm sure they are aware of the issues, but haven't figured out a good way to transition away from cards yet. It's probably just me copping hard, but I think the ark passive system was a step towards addressing the card problem.
my main issue assuming they are keeping the same drip feeding as t3, gems are going to be converted to 8's which is cool at the start, but the higher tiers still exist and will still be the biggest gatekeeping power system in the game seperating new players & mid from high end, was hoping for a system change for gems more than anything since you are punished for playing multiple classes, and punished for playing multiple dps. Having to hone + get ur dps alts high level gems just to enjoy content that doesn't require them is just annoying imo. Love all the engraving/ark w.e systems.
You really think that 90% of power will be easy and difference will be 10%? There is no way that will be the case. Those gaps will be massive as they are now, elixirs and transcendence can almost double your damage against someone who dont have it and that are systems which are staying, on top of that we are getting many more and I am pretty sure they will not make them optional. If you think that difference will be so small, you probably did not play same game as I did...
and where excating they are "removing" barrier for new players? solo raid for god know how long to reach 1610 and cut the elixir until u have good one and 40 at least. What about los 30? If you dont have it, you are gatekept. Go tell new players to shop the hell out of it in order to player. Solo raids, yeah cool. Useless to reach 1610 for theamine if then u cannot get a lobby cuz u dont have all of this. Tell me where the barrier is removed, please
@@BrandonIkarosPesoli yeah I have actually second roster and after like 9 months it still dont have LoS 30, I got all cards from vendors I am saving all selectors, but I basically need like 15 more selectors to make LoS 30 and we are getting basically none, maybe one every quater or so and from weekly abyss they are basically not dropping. Well and sure I am gatekept, quite well built chars at 1605 (19 weapon) one got even 35 elixirs set (I suppose I am rejected based on cards without people even noticing), still I am often gatekept even from Brelshaza, highest content I can go is Akkan NM, noone will take me to Voldis NM or if I would push my 5ilvl to Thaemine without LoS 30. So exactly as you say, people will get somehow to 1640 and then they will be gatekept for cards, elixirs and transcendence, nothing really changed...
people are just mad because they want to close gap between whales and f2p, here in western we are so anti about p2w aspect in any krmmo and will always hating p2w aspect.
Whale Ark going on hard mode with T4, guys. Open your wallets.
Your message came across loud and clear
"Fuck New players and Returning players am I right" lol.
Who needs them and Who cares if everything gets more expensive and we have more card things now that was being gatekept in the first place also elixers and transcendence isn't even cheaper by much and all the other shit. Man this game is going downhill fast as shit and I don't care what anybody says man
the rerason why people are so pissed off is because the things they have been asking for are now locked behind a whole new tier instead of addressing the problems NOW they are telling you "we want you to suffer so you can suffer a bit less" like why do cards still exist in the game they should at this point either give everyone los30 or flat out remove the system even in KR they hate this system to hell and have been asking for it to be removed forever and they are so hellbent on RNG systems taht no one wants anymore
people spent years farming it and thousands of dollars on it. removing it is never going to happen. It gets nerf by giving more selectors (events, challenge abyss, music box of memories), adding new cards to merchants (azena, kharmine, both new continents came out with their legendary card at the merchant from the beginning) etc. LOS 30 will still take time but its very doable. I have an alt roster with LOS18 in about 2 months without buying card packs or doing music box of memories or doing the kadan island una etc.
Yeah thats also something odd. The changes to some of the flaws in the system require you to hit 1620 yet nothing from what I see addresses how much of a pain that is to get to.
The fact they added a 24 node to LoS what just the perfect example to demonstrate that they don't play the game (which they absolutely assume by the way) nor understand how the players play it, it was a fun moment.
For those who are upset and say they want to quit: you should quit. Even if you find an excuse not to quit; quit. You can always come back afterwards if you still want to play, but clearly there's something wrong if you're just malding constantly over a game. Don't watch videos, don't look in discords, just go do something else.
Do you plan to make a podcast about the summer LOAN?
Yep. Likely later this week with Benji and Memo
Counter argument, Quality is an obsolete system, ppl are done with it, why bring it back to T4? Just let the old stuff die, same as elixirs and transcendence, ppl hate it, remove it, same as cards… but their profits comes first.
Whales need something to do and there needs to be a huge gold sink to balance economy and reduce inflation.
iam kinda shocked that my 100weap quallity would be nothing in few months ngl xdd
the 1st thing they shoulda remove 3 years ago - its roster lvl visible for everyone. Cause there is no point to have this besides create crazy gatekeeping of a newer players... They understood the assignment and updated max roster to lvl 400 xdd
@omg1876 just add smth new. It would still suck but at least players know they are done with quality or gems.
Elixirs, bracelets, transcendence, etc were all new, not old things made into more gold sinks
We all lack gold and best gold source AND most fun part of the game is raiding. New and returning players just don't want to be gatekept in the raids. What has SG done to alleviate this problem? As long as gatekeeping is minimal, we don't mind taking time to gradually work on our characters. Why don't they increase rewards if people start using the matchmaking system? Maybe slightly reduce damage taken via a buff? No one uses it at the moment.
What about the implementation of solo raids then?
Let whales and rmts cry. All the changes are GREAT for casual, new and ethical players. Well done SG!
Agreed they are going to cry while swiping anyways lmao
The people who hate t4 and whole LOAON are just straight up doomers (similar to Reddit andies), and will not like regardless whatever changes will come.
Seriously, the new season literally let you instantly catch up to latest content with 1620-1640 conversions. Then new passive trees help you avoid spent thousands of pheon building char from ground up.
Whole Loaon is huge W for new and old players, some people just hate on the game and refuse to move on.
yes, i feel like this idiot streamers are just doing it for content and just to get subs just like that kanima guy
BEST THING THAT WILL HAPPEN JUST SHUT DOWN THE GAME SO THIS CLOWNS WONT GET TO CONTENT ANOTHER LOST ARK LIKE CONTENT AND END UP DOING CONTENTS ON THE TRASH 1 CHARACTER GAMES
THIS GUYS ARE BINGING ON THE FACT THAT THIS GAME IS HAVING A LOT OF HYPE IN THE PAST 3 YEARS
Yeah we call them “people who made up their mind about their feelings”
To build those pasive trees you need to upgrade your accesories or buy them tho, so you need to spend pheons there
I mean, overall it was good. If people had to push to 1640 then that would have caused many to give up. Personally, I thought there was almost nothing they could do to stop me from quitting, but they did a heck a lot more than I was expecting and that deserves some attention.
People that have multiple 1610+s will be doing good because now they don't have to bother with the hell of honing past 1620 in Akkan gear. So maybe people can play more than 1 main again-- the 1 main meta is annoying because it can get boring and sometimes balance patches may screw you if stuck with one class, and also makes support trades potentially impossible in future content. People aren't going to push support alts to 1630 for sure and support shortage runs wild
Personally, I've never worried about my old achievements becoming obsolete. I'm sure many of us spent hella to hone to 1370 or 1490 back then or grinding valtan/vykas/brel armor and that's basically free these days.
Granted everyone's different. I never honed past 1620 nor do I have any level 10 gems but I suppose I would have been a bit upset if I did. But what would even be more upsetting is having nobody to play with.
I am not really sure about new players though. Yes solo raids will let them progress and not get gatekept, but then you're like dropping them off as Thaemine as their first actual raid, and then we got so many systems and people will naturally gatekeep for all of them. Especially if we still have single player wipe mechanics for normal modes of raids-- they didn't address that at all, did they? Also they didn't say anything about making 1580+ honing better besides expresses but those as always are just bandaids.
And of course the biggest elephant of the room is the rotting and festering systems of elixirs/transcedence, which will stick with us through t4. Yes you have more mats and less cost, but the actual process of doing them also wastes too much time and the time gates don't help.
I think the overall effect is that it kicks the can down the road, and that's a good thing. But we have the problem of just kinda waiting for t4 and a lot of players may just feel that they may not want to play as much for now since t4 may invalidate a good chunk of it. My thought is that t4 just needs to come asap, so people don't have these doubts bothering them, and others won't leave. But then again, it's not a bad time to take a break either.
i gave up. have fun gents. it was fun while it was there
You still did not address the elephant in the room - the new player experience, which is the most important part (because without new players there is only one way this story can end), the new changes are a net NEGATIVE and a BIG L for new players, they get them hardstuck between 1580-1620 earning gold only from solo raids (which is less than normal raids) and even if they make it past that point (which is unlikely) they will be OMEGA GATEKEPT.
i hate comments like this. the new express events will take you past 1600-1620. putting as brand new player in end game content is retarded. they will only buy busses and/or get gatekept by people and rightfully so because YOU wouldnt want a brand new player in your end game raid. this is an rpg. you dont just get to have access to the most difficult content in a free game just because you decided to log in. shit takes time.
@neverseed1 the express event does not help. It just throws new players into the most difficult raids and it overwhelms them.
Valtan, vykas, clown, etc all progressively got more difficult. New players should be able to go through the same route instead of jumping to akkan/voldis.
There needs to be a mentorship system like ffxiv or something similar. Solo raids solve this, but what happens when the solo raider reaches t4 and raids are no longer solo?
The core issues still exist.
@@neverseed1 first of all, NO the event will NOT take you to 1620, it provides support only untill 1600, and than from 1600-1620 on average case scenario it takes 450k RAW TAP GOLD not even considering the other materials, and with the pittence they are going to earn in solo raid you think new players will stick around? you are delusional sir, and also what will players do when its not event time???. And why would ANYONE want to invite a new player into their group when they are doing 40% less damage than someone who have elixirs/trans???? this is not a problem of the gatekeepers its a problem of game design, and the new head bozo did ZERO so far to address it.
@@BuffPomsky it's almost like this is an MMO with GUILDS in it that help people with similar goals. stop trying to play it like a single player game and you wont have a problem. there are a ton of resources to find compatible guilds to play with.
@@999karai you have no idea what the gold costs will be. they are NERFING costs SIGNIFICANTLY to get to 1620 which you would know if you bothered to fucking read anything instead of behaving like a react andy.
ppl are happy no one cares about kanima type players who wont be happy even in their wedding day the changes are great
cant wait to see the content creators for this game get burnt as it dies and much better games get released. The game has rng on rng on rng, how can you be like yeah a bit more RNG is fine while they never nerf or reduce old rng systems while introducing a new one. Look at quality tapping and elixirs. Instead of nerfing the rng aspect of these systems as they add new rng systems they just kept them the same and now a new player or returning player has to get through 10 layers of RNG just to get to the fun part and not be gatekept? yeah screw that! Glad i took a break from the game again. I'm gonna try out solo raids when they come out and if the game is even still alive by then but you all can stay in the sweat shop. Enjoy till server shutdown!
Not entirely true. While I agreee they should rework older systems like Bracelets and Quality tapping, they did give out a ton for newer players which was worth a fortunate back in the days. One of the old systems did actually get reworked and is now basically free and instantly BIS for newer players (the tripod system). They give you a ton of quality free taps, and free elixiers (elixiers still need way too much time and are a garbage system) but still, saying they didnt do anything to the old systems for newer players is wrong.
For me solo raid is like for the 2nd class citizen of lostark. This mode can keep some ppl playing to create the number of players in the game. Until they climb to T4 and found that in T4 is full of cheater rmter busdriver bot which those ppl cause inflation economy. and yes those 1st class citizen gonna gatekeep u guys the 2nd class, hehe. So in conclusion, solo mode is just solution for entry level but not the core issues of the game.
we play a different game then.
2:20 if the game was like that forever the game would never evolve and be a stale boring trash
and now we have to buy all the combat engraving books so awful another random gold sink i could get all my characters in 5x3 jus buying grudge
Just come back to the game in a year. Once smilegate and amazon are done milking all the bozos they will give you a express with everything on it already😂 they did it 3 times already.
I am not anywhere near the finish line and they r raising the ceiling lmao when can i ever push my alts without feeling bad for not pushing my main with that gold... o never or when i swipe for hundreds of dollars lmao yea the more i think about it the more i think im not gonna do that
Brooo. My stone actually 97 rn, on lv2 adre . Without spend and just luck atm
when i dunno , aynone can become 6x3 soon but . I dunno damage increase between 77 and 97 is
no way to making enough gold for almost everything need gold
*natural progression mentioned*
yep the comments have said what i wanted to say we good
more time in there excellent ui o boy
Streamers all the same lol they just overhype and sugar coat so more ppl play ->more ppl watch them
elixir is still pretty crappy even with the nerf same as transcendence. tbh
big smile for rmt players
he jus said he thinks it will be easier hahahhahaahahahahahahahahhaaha
some people just hate fuck the game so there will always be people complaining but im def excited about t4, at the end of the day its a video game and if you dont like it just go play something else. people investing so much time and effort when they couldv done that with the stock market or new skills or learning a language.
I think the issue is that it only addresses concerns for the most hardcore of the game while leaving most others behind. Its more of the same to me at the end of the day with a soft reset at best. Dont think these changes help much with the issues the global server is experiencing right now.
yeah i bet the botters are making a noise just to put a negative on this game cause they got hit hard!
but if you look at LA korea its a damn 80k Strong population the live stream itself from LOA-ON is the proof it is really popular that other MMO's
@@aerostrafe1075 what are those issues cuz i keep seeing people say the changes dont help at all when its good for the health of the game overall
@@titoavi time consuming, boring dailies, alt-heavy, too many gold sinks, gatekeeping, 18 raids a week, lobby simulator, stupid honing, to name a few
@@aerostrafe1075 what issues doesn't it help with? It helps with so many of them and its good and healthy for the game. Being gatekept on a 1630 raid that you need a +25 weapon that costs up to 5 million gold for a SINGLE tap if you pity, which only contributes to ~1.4% dmg anyway, is bad for the game. Anyone who wants to stay in the current gear is just dumb. It's trash. I'll gladly take the soft reset.
And in the beginning of T4, now you can go back and do theamine once you hit 1620 and gear transfer. You'll also be way stronger which will lower the gatekeep level too versus the current situation. It's a win win win. I'll gladly go back to spending less than 50k for a single gear tap vs spending a million. To having my resources actually make a difference vs spending 3 months farming to collect enough mats to get 5 ilvls.
yap soft reset they said :
new GEms
new braclet
new Accesory
honinG from scrach
new quality taps
new cards collection
How is this not a hard reset ?
I think you need to learn what the definition of a hard reset is.
Hard reset would be: Your character loses almost all of its current power, you gotta start honing new gear from level 1-25, all your gems are erased, cards completely removed, engravings completely removed and gold is no longer a currency in the game.
The reality is we won't hone the new gear from level 1, our current gems will transfer over to the new gems (sure 2 levels lower but the power remains the same) etc etc.
So yes, soft reset is accurate.
Doom dooom doom!
Enjoy playing the gane and the changes could be good. We need to see though.
How dare you use logic and make me think rationally *shakes fist in irrational gamer rage*😂
They just should have added PVP
Miso, I get you are trying to be all positive, but you sound like a white knight for SG.