Morakniv. Anyone who spends anytime off their couch needs at least 3. I have 4. I like the Robust. I have to square the back edge also. I bout my wife the red one like in the video. I have 100's of knives. No boast. Seriously. I have been collecting for 40 years. I used to be the guy that needed 1/4 D2 steel that was a foot long. Now I have happily adapted all my kits with a Mora. Great Job.
I just did 2 of these today and I found that by using very fine steel wool on the blade and cleaning it with an alcohol 1st aid patch that the finish was very even on the entire blade. Also I found the need on the 2nd blade to start with a fresh glass of vinegar. The reaction was very quick and allowing the vinegar air dry on the final dip kept the blade from streaking. I did the process 3 times on each blade. I also heated the vinegar in the microwave with good results. A beautiful blade with a very dark, almost blue in color.
I just tried this. It is amazing! the blade kept "bubbling" so i stopped after 30 minutes. the blade is now evenly coated dark black. so cool, thanks sootch!
@SensiblePrepper Thank you for the video! I followed your method. You mentioned and showed in the video that some discoloration occurs next to the handle. I noticed that while the knife is hanging, the small bubbles gather under the plastic part, they stuck then the patina can not form properly there. Moving the handle sometimes or lift it out for a moment helps. Greetings
I know this video is an older one, but I referenced it for my new Mora. I picked up an $8 basic a few weeks ago and did the patina tonight. It came out really great! Thanks for the tutorial!
I wish you would have done a few tasks with this knife to see how well the finish holds up. Have you used it much after to see how it does with use? Thanks for doing this.
I find my Mora just seems to be the one I naturally reach for to use in real chores. It has the weight and balance I find useful and I ended up with 4 types and have one near me most of the time.
Just got my MORAKNIV this afternoon, and since you made your video they've flattened the spine and put a nice drop on the point to eliminate the need for any filing. Two fifteen-minute soaks in boiled cider vinegar and I have a slick dark grey/black blade just that quick. Few drops of pistol lubericant and we are good to go. Thanks.
That worked great. I love how there's so many methods out there to achieve a forced patina. I've tested out over 7 different solutions (all common household supplies) and most work, but just take time. I want to find a quick method that doesn't require much fussing, just dip it leave it for a half hour and come back to a forced patina blade.
Just use some liquid gun blue. Have you tried using tea, or coffee grounds? Takes a few days for my desired patina, but I like the darker less glossy finish.
How would the edge be after you sharpened this, I want to get a couple for the scouts and I would do this to them all, but upon getting the knives they have back they all need a sharpen!! Would sharpening take the patina off? Would I need to redo this process every time? Thanks!
I'm wondering how this affects the edge, primarily after sharpening and should one force a patina after each sharpening to keep the patina on the edge?
does the patina wear off when sharpening the blade or stropping? i'm getting the m ora robust and i think i might do this it looks cool plus the added rust protection also can you use olive oil to oil the blade ?
great video. I did the same thing with my knife about a year ago. I didnt heat the Apple cider. I left the vinegar at room temperature but left it overnight. same great results. keep the videos coming!!!
Tried this method on my Mora basic 511 with a carbon steel blade and ended up with a sleek charcoal grey result just like in the video. I used boiling white vinegar (5% concentration) and did two rounds- left the knife in it for 50 minutes both times. Thank you for the idea!
It is very easy actually. I used some chili sauce with white vinegar in it. Applied some with my finger and let it sit in a kitchen towel. For about 20 minutes for starters, then reapplied and waited 15 minutes again. That was enough for me.. Beautiful indeed!! 😑 Love carbon!! Mora 711, my working knife. Love from Sweden.
when I file the backs of my Mora's spine I do it in one direction in my case to the left side of the blade as I am right handed. It gives a burr that aids in it's fire starting ability and I always hold that side away when using flint. Just an idea to try we always hold the knife the same way when striking a ferro rod so each side of the spine can serve a different purpose
I like the idea of taking a bush craft knife and giving it a tactical blade. I love how the blade almost matches the color of the handle. Excellent video as always, Thank you for sharing again.
I just did this on my Mora Classic 1, I got a nice rich black patina after 3 dips (10 minutes each) using the boiling apple cider vinegar, make sure it is at a rolling boil for best results, and clean the blade with rubbing alcohol before starting
I just bought one of these Mora knives. I am excited. I use a vinegar process on all my carbon steel knives. Works very well. Plus, looks cool. Good job!
Great timing, I just filed a 90 edge on the spine of my Mora heavy duty companion, will be trying this patina technique. I have Moras in both my wife and I's BOBs and GHBs and recently gave one to my son to put in his "camping" bag. My wife made this long lanyard for my Mora Kansbol, took 37 feet of parachord and connects the knife and sheath...I should do a video on that.
I hope that is a double cut file because most are designed to only cut on the forward stroke and going back and forth like that will dull the file quickly. Just a bit of info, love the tip! I will mine now, thanks!
An old grey beard trick for patina on a CV/carbon steel knife is to take the knife and stick it in an apple for a while... maybe 30 minutes... probably not even that long but it really does protect the knife from rust that you might encounter. It will clearly still rust if left in the rain for long periods or if it just stays straight up wet more often than not.
Colson Customs can it be done to a full stainless steel like a Victorinox ? I'd like to have this finish on my swiss soldier, but i'm afraid of ruining it. Also it needs to be fully coverd to accomplish, also the plastic cheeks. What do you thik ?
Hi will the vinegar t work if I dont heat it.last time i put hot water in a beer stein it exploded in my face I'm using a pea can .I'm using a uncle henry folder .its stainless.i found tt at the river..if it dont work its ok.
TheRealJayGutta I'm pretty sure he used the same vinegar. he didn't have a lot and he said boiling it would affect how much he would need. so same vinegar is a safe bet.
I love the video. It worked great on mine. Also thank you. You used the fire steel in the correct manner. most of the time people draw the knife across the steel and fling the sparks everywhere.
Complete novice here. I just bought a mora garberg (the carbon version). The blade is already black. From what I understand, the black finish is intended to protect the knife from corrosion. Would it still be beneficial to force a patina on the knife or would that be redundant?
anyone know if you need to resharpen the blade after this? I expect it to diminish the edge to some extent. Can I just hit it with a ceramic rod after the patina or does it need stones?
Sorry for commenting on a older video but I'm trying to okay the pins in a very very very cheap knife set and I can't seem to do so I can see a ghostly image at times but only in extremely bright sunlight I can't even mark it any advice?
Jaydon Brooker It will prevent the surface from rusting, it's just a coating. It affects just few micron in thickness. To make brittle carbon steel it needs to pass through a full hardening cicle, get to critical temperature, around 1200° celsius (≈2200° Fahrenheit) and being fast quenched in oil. Hope been exaustive. By the way, i was browsing through the comments to find out if it can be made to a full stainless steel, like a Victorinox.
I’ve seen quite a few videos of putting a patina on the knife, but I was curious to know if there is a purpose for it. Other than making it look cool. Does it protect against rust better? Thank you for your response.
I did mone this morning 30 minutes on the first run, then rinsed with cold water and dried. The 2nd run was also 30 minutes and rinsed with cold water and dried. The last and final run was for 1 hour and when I pulled it out the bubbles had stopped and I rinsed with cold water, dried it well and then oiled it with ballistol. It looks like it's parkerized now.
Love Moras... If I had the money, I'd be constantly buying the vintage and antique Frost/Mora/Erikson knives that I spend all day drooling over online lol
After adding a patina to my knife (which I took to a mirror finish), the surface feels very rough in comparison to before... Is this normal? I gave it a light rub down with wire wool after, and it's well oiled... Not sure if I should try and Polish it again, but I would assume I would remove the patina? Besides that one issue, I love the look of it!
Sootch... I apologize if I missed this answer already but does heating the vinegar have a brittling affect on the metal? I'm no metallurgy expert or anything of that nature but I know hearing and cooing metal does affect it. Do you notice any change I prefer the matte black finish you get but I have seen this done in cold vinegar and in your other video mustard... it's not quite as uniform and dark which is the point I know but I'm curious. I've just bought my first morakniv and I want to see it's quality edge before modifying and buying a few more. Thanks for all the knowledge you transfer it really is appreciated
Morakniv. Anyone who spends anytime off their couch needs at least 3. I have 4. I like the Robust. I have to square the back edge also. I bout my wife the red one like in the video. I have 100's of knives. No boast. Seriously. I have been collecting for 40 years. I used to be the guy that needed 1/4 D2 steel that was a foot long. Now I have happily adapted all my kits with a Mora. Great Job.
I agree, I also have four, wife has two, and kid has one. I even have the round hole carving one.
There's something about how handy they are that is so appealing. Thanks Rusty!
rusty gray I'm 13 and I have a little bit over 70, like 73 or 74.
they're not the best quality but I have a few pretty good ones
rusty gray I'm 13 and I have a little bit over 70, like 73 or 74.
they're not the best quality but I have a few pretty good ones
rusty gray ii
I just did 2 of these today and I found that by using very fine steel wool on the blade and cleaning it with an alcohol 1st aid patch that the finish was very even on the entire blade. Also I found the need on the 2nd blade to start with a fresh glass of vinegar. The reaction was very quick and allowing the vinegar air dry on the final dip kept the blade from streaking. I did the process 3 times on each blade. I also heated the vinegar in the microwave with good results. A beautiful blade with a very dark, almost blue in color.
I just tried this. It is amazing! the blade kept "bubbling" so i stopped after 30 minutes. the blade is now evenly coated dark black. so cool, thanks sootch!
And how does it hold up? I have seen a video where someone baton with the forced patina and it starts to come of just from the first piece of wood.
Thanks for the informative video.
Out of interest, does this process effect the edge (sharpness) at all?
@SensiblePrepper Thank you for the video! I followed your method. You mentioned and showed in the video that some discoloration occurs next to the handle. I noticed that while the knife is hanging, the small bubbles gather under the plastic part, they stuck then the patina can not form properly there. Moving the handle sometimes or lift it out for a moment helps. Greetings
Great tip!
8:35 the rising bubbles build up where the blade meets the handle. just shake it a little every minute so the bubbles make way for the liquid.
I know this video is an older one, but I referenced it for my new Mora. I picked up an $8 basic a few weeks ago and did the patina tonight. It came out really great! Thanks for the tutorial!
I wish you would have done a few tasks with this knife to see how well the finish holds up. Have you used it much after to see how it does with use? Thanks for doing this.
does the oxidation make the tip dull? Do you need to put a new edge on it after the vinegar treatment and then oil the edge?
I find my Mora just seems to be the one I naturally reach for to use in real chores. It has the weight and balance I find useful and I ended up with 4 types and have one near me most of the time.
Just got my MORAKNIV this afternoon, and since you made your video they've flattened the spine and put a nice drop on the point to eliminate the need for any filing. Two fifteen-minute soaks in boiled cider vinegar and I have a slick dark grey/black blade just that quick. Few drops of pistol lubericant and we are good to go. Thanks.
That worked great. I love how there's so many methods out there to achieve a forced patina. I've tested out over 7 different solutions (all common household supplies) and most work, but just take time. I want to find a quick method that doesn't require much fussing, just dip it leave it for a half hour and come back to a forced patina blade.
Just use some liquid gun blue.
Have you tried using tea, or coffee grounds? Takes a few days for my desired patina, but I like the darker less glossy finish.
Jefari H. Coffee grounds? Will give patina? Tell me more please... how?
How would the edge be after you sharpened this, I want to get a couple for the scouts and I would do this to them all, but upon getting the knives they have back they all need a sharpen!! Would sharpening take the patina off? Would I need to redo this process every time? Thanks!
It would only take off the patina where you are removing material.
I'm wondering how this affects the edge, primarily after sharpening and should one force a patina after each sharpening to keep the patina on the edge?
That's a good point, especially with the scandi grind they have.
I don’t think it matters for in the edge, sharpening in the field will take of rust on the edge
Can this be done to a knife with a wood handle? Would the liquid affect the wood if the liquid touches the wood?
beckerm13 if the wood was untreated yes it would because the wood isnt already occupied by another finish or liquid so if you try take caution.
does the patina wear off when sharpening the blade or stropping? i'm getting the m ora robust and i think i might do this it looks cool plus the added rust protection
also can you use olive oil to oil the blade ?
Kenny K I'm really late but, yes u can use it however it will leave some residue after time
great video. I did the same thing with my knife about a year ago. I didnt heat the Apple cider. I left the vinegar at room temperature but left it overnight. same great results. keep the videos coming!!!
Thanks Pops. Good info
For a newbies first time setup, I'm thinking of the black Bushcraft Mora as my first fixed blade and the Gerber Tech skin as the first folder.
Can putting your knife in boiling vinegar mess up the temper of the blade
Nathan Ethington this is exactly what I was wondering
Thanks for the tip. It looks great. I'm surprised your glass didn't crack.
Question: Can I use a normal vinegar instead of apple cider vinegar?
Yes.
"Be strong. Be of good courage." LOVE it. Be of good cheer, Soots. I am learning a LOT from you, man.
Tried this method on my Mora basic 511 with a carbon steel blade and ended up with a sleek charcoal grey result just like in the video. I used boiling white vinegar (5% concentration) and did two rounds- left the knife in it for 50 minutes both times. Thank you for the idea!
Does it need to be sharpened after this procedure or the sharpness remains? Thank you for your answer.
It is very easy actually. I used some chili sauce with white vinegar in it. Applied some with my finger and let it sit in a kitchen towel. For about 20 minutes for starters, then reapplied and waited 15 minutes again. That was enough for me.. Beautiful indeed!! 😑 Love carbon!! Mora 711, my working knife. Love from Sweden.
Tried boiling vinegar after and my God almighty was I impressed with the effects!
when I file the backs of my Mora's spine I do it in one direction in my case to the left side of the blade as I am right handed. It gives a burr that aids in it's fire starting ability and I always hold that side away when using flint. Just an idea to try we always hold the knife the same way when striking a ferro rod so each side of the spine can serve a different purpose
Thanks Richard. Good advise.
I like the idea of taking a bush craft knife and giving it a tactical blade. I love how the blade almost matches the color of the handle. Excellent video as always, Thank you for sharing again.
Etching the knife in vinegar dulls the edge? does it need resharpeneing after the vinegar treatment?
the oxide layer will help resist corrosion as well. It also makes the surface a little porous which holds oil well.
I just did this on my Mora Classic 1, I got a nice rich black patina after 3 dips (10 minutes each) using the boiling apple cider vinegar, make sure it is at a rolling boil for best results, and clean the blade with rubbing alcohol before starting
I just bought one of these Mora knives. I am excited. I use a vinegar process on all my carbon steel knives. Works very well. Plus, looks cool. Good job!
I wonder if this dulls the edge or makes it different to re-sharpen, if it loses any hardness in the steel?
I found a mix if citric acid and water works well.
Great timing, I just filed a 90 edge on the spine of my Mora heavy duty companion, will be trying this patina technique. I have Moras in both my wife and I's BOBs and GHBs and recently gave one to my son to put in his "camping" bag. My wife made this long lanyard for my Mora Kansbol, took 37 feet of parachord and connects the knife and sheath...I should do a video on that.
I hope that is a double cut file because most are designed to only cut on the forward stroke and going back and forth like that will dull the file quickly. Just a bit of info, love the tip! I will mine now, thanks!
I now see that someone beat me to it!
Do you have to heat up the vinegar for it to work
Will this work with white distilled vinegar?
An old grey beard trick for patina on a CV/carbon steel knife is to take the knife and stick it in an apple for a while... maybe 30 minutes... probably not even that long but it really does protect the knife from rust that you might encounter. It will clearly still rust if left in the rain for long periods or if it just stays straight up wet more often than not.
I have the same Mora Pro-C and have been tossing around the idea of doing this. One seriously wicked blade for so little $$!
I didn't see anything in the comments about how well this finish holds up.
Do you reheat the same vinegar, or use fresh vinegar each time?.
Did you use fresh vinegar everytimes or did you heat the same one?
I have a big 5 gallon bucket with vinegar, salt and hydrogen peroxide. I usually let blades etch for at least 4 hours. Usually do 2 or cycles.
Colson Customs can it be done to a full stainless steel like a Victorinox ? I'd like to have this finish on my swiss soldier, but i'm afraid of ruining it. Also it needs to be fully coverd to accomplish, also the plastic cheeks. What do you thik ?
What will this 100 degree celcius temperature do to the hardening and tempering that is done on the knife at the factory?
Hi will the vinegar t work if I dont heat it.last time i put hot water in a beer stein it exploded in my face I'm using a pea can .I'm using a uncle henry folder .its stainless.i found tt at the river..if it dont work its ok.
Hey Sootch were you using the same vinegar over and over, or fresh each time?
NinjaPoobah please respond. i wondered the same thing.
TheRealJayGutta I'm pretty sure he used the same vinegar. he didn't have a lot and he said boiling it would affect how much he would need. so same vinegar is a safe bet.
I used the same vinegar. It didn't get too cloudy so I figured it would be fine. Thanks Brother!
NinjaPoobah that was gonna be my question. I'm glad I looked at other posts before I asked the same one. Great vid
Lazaro Tinoco n
I love the video. It worked great on mine. Also thank you. You used the fire steel in the correct manner. most of the time people draw the knife across the steel and fling the sparks everywhere.
Can I use regular vinegar?
SouthPaw yes...but apple smells better.
I wonder if that was glue seeping down from the handle ? cool process I didn't know thanks
That's a good question. I'll have to look into it. Thanks Brother
I put vinegar in my girl friends bath water hoping she would turn black, it didn't work,,, but on my mora robust it worked perfect 😹
Do You always use new vinegar before heating it up? Or do you always use the same old solution?
When you finish the oxidizing process, what kind of oil do you finish with? Would mineral oil work?
would this process hurt wood i could see it getting into it and expand it but i dont think the acid would strong enough to eat through it
What kind of oil did he put on the knife before filing?
Will a forced patina effect the sharpness of the blade?
Complete novice here. I just bought a mora garberg (the carbon version). The blade is already black. From what I understand, the black finish is intended to protect the knife from corrosion. Would it still be beneficial to force a patina on the knife or would that be redundant?
I used the 1" vertical belt sander in my wood shop to square up the spine on mine. Then I tested it on some dryer lint. She sparked right up!
anyone know if you need to resharpen the blade after this? I expect it to diminish the edge to some extent. Can I just hit it with a ceramic rod after the patina or does it need stones?
Do forced oxidized blades still throw sparks?
is it work with high carbon steel like 6150..like vehicle leaf spring?pliss
Will this treatment dull the edge?
Sorry for commenting on a older video but I'm trying to okay the pins in a very very very cheap knife set and I can't seem to do so I can see a ghostly image at times but only in extremely bright sunlight I can't even mark it any advice?
What does this chemical process do to stainless steel blades?
Can you use this technique on gun barrels and rifle barrels?
Does vinegar give it a dull finish? And des it give a textured finish? Also will this way melt or distort the handle in any way?
will this dull the SS even a bit - jus to take the glare off ??
How often should it be done, to protect knife against corrosion?
Would this work for a Stainless Steel companion?
Edit: I was impatient, but my question was answered
Stainless steel needs acid
Just got a Mora Robust, was wondering: Does this affect the strength of the blade? Does it make it more brittle or does it not affect the use? Thanks.
Jaydon Brooker It will prevent the surface from rusting, it's just a coating. It affects just few micron in thickness. To make brittle carbon steel it needs to pass through a full hardening cicle, get to critical temperature, around 1200° celsius (≈2200° Fahrenheit) and being fast quenched in oil. Hope been exaustive.
By the way, i was browsing through the comments to find out if it can be made to a full stainless steel, like a Victorinox.
Just tried it on my Morakniv and it worked great.
Can I use patina knife in food content..please answer me
Do i need apple Cider or can i just use regular
I assume one could use a cold blueing solution to do the same thing?
Is adding this forced vinegar patina safe to use on food still ?
I’ve seen quite a few videos of putting a patina on the knife, but I was curious to know if there is a purpose for it. Other than making it look cool. Does it protect against rust better? Thank you for your response.
Does this method work on carbon steel kitchen knives as well? I'm thinking it might affect the taste of the food or something.
If they are carbon steel yes. No on stainless steel. As for food it should be fine. Make sure you finish it with food grade oil such as mineral oil
I did mone this morning 30 minutes on the first run, then rinsed with cold water and dried. The 2nd run was also 30 minutes and rinsed with cold water and dried. The last and final run was for 1 hour and when I pulled it out the bubbles had stopped and I rinsed with cold water, dried it well and then oiled it with ballistol. It looks like it's parkerized now.
Will this work on a ww2 m1 bayonet?
после травления характеристики не меняются у стали ?
How much extra protection does a forced patina give?
its awesome, just got my mora and its in vinegar right now! I did mustard on it first, so it has some stripes on it! Will see how it looks!
I've got a few knives I was going to do this to. they have micarta handles. can I submerse handle and all to get spine all the way through the same?
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Love Moras... If I had the money, I'd be constantly buying the vintage and antique Frost/Mora/Erikson knives that I spend all day drooling over online lol
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Can you use normal vinegar
In order to force a patina with this meathod, so i need to sanddown the shiny compared to other i have seen
what is a good torch do you suggest?
so will the vinegar help treat any steel? i have an esee 4
I'm assuming that it will need to be retreated after sharpening.
Thanks. My Mora Robust was full of spots from chopping oranges. Now its nice and dark.
I did the same thing to my Basic 511 ywo days ago. it is looking nice. I didn't grind the spine down though. Just wasn't much of a need to for me.
Does the vinegar penetrate deep enough that when you sharpen it the original steel is not exposed?
Thx, Dave
just got my first mora 511 tonight.. I'm looking forward to doing this.
I literally just put a refresh vinegar patina on my Mora Companion yesterday!
After adding a patina to my knife (which I took to a mirror finish), the surface feels very rough in comparison to before... Is this normal? I gave it a light rub down with wire wool after, and it's well oiled... Not sure if I should try and Polish it again, but I would assume I would remove the patina? Besides that one issue, I love the look of it!
Can u do this to the knife even after long use? Mine does rust and spot alot
Yes, in fact it's a great way to resurface a blade that has gotten rusty, sand it off- then do this to it.
Picked one of these up today on a whim. I’ll be doing this as it already had a touch of surface rust
when/how often we need to apply patina?
I have a stainless Mora. I don't know if you mentioned this but would it be okay to still do this? Just for the finish affect?
Sootch... I apologize if I missed this answer already but does heating the vinegar have a brittling affect on the metal? I'm no metallurgy expert or anything of that nature but I know hearing and cooing metal does affect it. Do you notice any change I prefer the matte black finish you get but I have seen this done in cold vinegar and in your other video mustard... it's not quite as uniform and dark which is the point I know but I'm curious. I've just bought my first morakniv and I want to see it's quality edge before modifying and buying a few more. Thanks for all the knowledge you transfer it really is appreciated
Max Evans... awesome thanks man that's exactly what I was hoping to figure out
When I wipe of the blade a black resedue comes off. Any ideas as to what's happening?