Only difference is that SAS has too much clout at ESPN and he believes the hype around him. Skip is ridiculous but he doesn't even have half the ego of SAS.
Thanks for the re-record Kofie. Didn’t want the comments and algorithms to lambast you for the previous video. Appreciate the commitment to your craft.
I never understood the appeal of these shows, it was just people yelling and spouting nonsensical takes. It really made sports discussion with people around me incredibly toxic, and honestly just affected my overall enjoyment of sports for a good period of time.
@@captaincozy4523 And yet he probably doesnt, and still hears their regurgitated takes through people he DOES talk to. I cannot tell you (as a person living in DFW) how many times i have heard someone shit on the cowboys for no reason and then also say the name "skip bayless" or "stephen a smith" in the same breath
@@jknintendo ayy man, don’t argue with people that can’t form their own opinions 🤷🏾♂️ it’s mentally exhausting. I’ve never had a sports conversation with someone and they bring up Skip Bayless or Stephen A 🤷🏾♂️ Also forgive my ignorance but is DFW a place?? I’m not American lol 🤣
Going from not having cable until 8th grade to having 10s of thousands of subs is a crazy glow-up, good on ya kid Growing up with peak SportsCenter and watching it fall off was so painful lol
Like it or not Skip Bayless is the father of hot take journalism. I've never been able to stand the guy and I'm a Dallas cowboys fan so that says something. I saw one really good thing that Skip Bayless did and it was about his family and how he basically had no ties with them at all and he explained some of the reasons why. I had no idea that famous Chicago chef Rick Bayless was Skip's brother. It never occurred to me because the two people couldn't be any more different but both of them did reach the highest level in their field. The only difference is there aren't 50 million people out there who hate Rick Bayless.
Yeah, it's just Skip who seems to dislike his brother, but he doesn't totally clarify why, just that there's some long-term differences that led to estrangement, I believe. Meanwhile, all Rick's done is be the leading advocate for traditional Mexican food in the U.S. versus the Tex-Mex stuff everyone is used to. He's fascinated by his work, educated, and super chill--exactly the opposite of Skip.....maybe that's why Skip doesn't get along with him.
I dunno, man. I once had a hobo tell me in a Taco Bell that the illuminati ran everything, and you could even see it the way the Taco Bell wasn't even trying to hide it with all the pyramids they had all over their advertising! So, they're diversifying their palettes a lil bit.
I think the best way to talk about skip's era of debate bullshit is to look at the aftermath with a show like first things first on FS1. That show is 3 friends joking, debating and just having fun discussing sports... And it feels like a breath of fresh air because it's fun. (same with nightcap or pat McAfee in some capacity) Sports media is back to being fun again while skip was making it exhausting.
Heard you say that "Dwight Howard looks like Tarzan" comment and was like wow that's a racially charged comment Then realized Tarzan was white and now I don't know what to think
Seems like all those back and forth trash talk shows eventually the people really start to dislike each other off camera because of the arguments. I remember that show Mike & Mike they hated each other by the end.
@@adamprice3466 yeah it’s peculiar with someone you work with that often and even more so when you know them personally. Even mike Francesa and chris Russo needed a break from one another. People in the future will just learn from these shows what to do and what not or do.
I always appreciated what max kellerman brought to the table, he was someone who knew how to not fall in narratives Stephen a would want to make the discussion about that were unpopular.
Those clips on TH-cam of "Max being more Black than Stephen A" are low key funny. Stephen will do the "Lay off the damn WEEEEEEEEED" & Kellerman takes the "who tf cares about smoking some weed?!" Or "an Oz aint that much man...." positions. 😅
Just wanted to chime in that I saw the first vid and you didn't need to re-record because the comments told you to. But I still respect the hustle to no end. I read an article about this news, and it said his departure would be felt across "the take sphere" multiple times. "THE TAKE SPHERE." Please people of Earth, stop watching "the take sphere" so this terrible chapter of media history goes away...
Excellent analysis. As someone who came across your channel for the first time your sports media training is self evident here. Great point about Shannon also falling flat on First Take. He’s definitely thriving on his own youtube channel where he can set the tone and control the pace, but First Take is not a successful follow up to his stint on Undisputed.
I really do believe that part of the reason ESPN is doing so poorly as a business now is their choice to embrace entertainment with sports as a pretext rather than entertainment with sports as the focus. There are channels, like HBO before it became Max, that clearly survived the cutting cable movement, and they did so because they made sustainable program choices, programs that people in 5, 10, 15 years will still see as high quality. There's a world where whenever I watch a clip of an old championship game I also want to watch ESPN-produced commentary about that clip from that time. But I don't, and I think many others don't either. ESPN has been making disposable programming for so long that they now are not the place basically any sports fan who isn't ultra casual goes to for sports commentary. If Disney drops them, ESPN is near over on the front of programming that isn't live and re-run games. ESPN the business couldn't see past the near-medium term, and now it's catching up to them.
shit where else am i gonna see a man on television talk about something he knows nothing about with such confidence ? oh wait. twitter exists. nvm we gud
I can’t watch these daily shows on FS1 or ESPN without thinking of the Sports Shouting gag on 30 Rock: Tracy Jordan just appearing in a split screen, as other people are talking, and just screaming without any words. That’s the noise these shows produce
First Things First to me is the next evolution of this type of show, originally starting off as a First Take Clone and now has the energy and comedy to make it work without ragebait
Damn, I remember watching Cold Pizza before school with my parents -sometimes we would have cold pizza from the night before: synergy! I am a Skip Bayless hater since elementary school. Like, I have brain space taken up by remembering Skip’s tireless hatred of Terrell Owens that really started rubbing me the wrong way after the first couple days of it, and I do wonder what didn’t stick in my hippocampus for me to remember a guy being obnoxious about a quarterback with a penchant for showboating.
I remember the days of Cold Pizza and how it eventually became 1st Take....to see how sports journalist's went from actual journalism to becoming nothing but "hot takes" has been something to see. Now the current zeitgeist of all sports shows revolve around these talking heads giving these takes, instead of just talking about the sport. Its repulsive to me and has turned me off of espn and all these other sports networks.
Tubby Smith said Kelenna Azubuike looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane back in (i think?) 2003 or 2004. Skip said the same thing about Shelden Williams of Duke about 15 years ago ("as J.J. [Reddick] goes cold but keeps jacking up shots from 30 ft, Shelden Williams looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane"). So I think Skip might have stolen the phrase & used it multiple times cuz he thought it'd be funny.
I feel like the one lifelong sports fan who has never had the slightest interest in hot topic debate shows or segments. That's why I am checking out a Movie video analyzing them instead!
I’m sure Skip could’ve done a better job at extending his character’s shelf life, but the fact is all bits have an expiration date. Steven A did a better job but I think there’s a reason he says Yes to everything.
Young folks will only hate… but Skip built a large part of the industry… he just became a relic, overstayed his welcome… at least worth his recent tactics… all Lebron, all Dallas.
One person that doesn’t get enough credit for making the Stephen A-Skip First Take era so great is Cari Champion. That was the peak of First Take and national sports debate. She had the look, the voice, and played her part well. She didn’t interrupt, and when she did bring her opinions into the conversation, they made sense and complimented the performative nature of SAS and Skip. Those three together were solid gold. I wish they never messed with that.
I dont know journaling, and dont claim to, but how do you get a degree in that field, a field where the hope and the goal is to make change in the most unbiased way possible, and then decide to take that position of influence and infuse bias into the entire broadcast? Do you not feel any moral corruption there? Im sorry, I did not know about that broadcast until this video
You know skip a bandwagoner with the cowboys spurs red sox vanderbilt oklahoma fandom he has...none of those are the same...how can someone like different cities in every sport like this
He started out in Texas, so the Texas teams track. You can even give him a pass for Oklahoma. The Red Sox are the real questionable team. As for Vandy, idk where in the south they are located. 😂
He grew up in OKC, and OU is right there in the south metro area. We don't have an NFL team in OK, so a lot of people here are Cowboy fans. He went to Vanderbilt. Don't know about the Red Sox.
ESPN is flooded with talking heads nowadays. They needed the McAfee show as a breath of fresh air. Could only go so far with Bayless and SAS being shoved down your throat.
We just have too many option for good sports talk to be held captive by these charlatans. Also, you avoiding Perkins despite the numerous chances to bring him up is commendable
I think the BEST Skip can do is just stick with the podcast, maybe use it as a way to prop up his life story, give people an inside look into the industry or how he got to where he got, but in more detail. Outside of that, I would just let it ride. Folks will remember the years of entertainment and controversy, not this short time at the end.
When I say I respect and want to pogo stick Joy Taylor; but Acho makes the program indigestible. Rooks and Taylor during the football season might solidify them as some go-tos’ in the future.
Skip Bayless has been stuck on the same topic for 15 years
Well, the Cowboys and LeBron would make it the topics, if we're being technical. But i see your point.
How's many MJ/Lebron debates did him, SAS, and Shannon have. It's gotta be hundreds of hours of footage of him yelling about them.
Used to love talking about the spurs too
@@dreamcage1801 the Kawahi "thigh bruise" had skip in a chokehold
It'd be wild if skip retires before LeBron 😂
Him and stephen a smith represent everything wrong with current sports media
10000% it hurts the sports they talk about so much, the whole “Talking Head” shit has to go away
Only difference is that SAS has too much clout at ESPN and he believes the hype around him. Skip is ridiculous but he doesn't even have half the ego of SAS.
That era in sports media is finally over
@@geordiejones5618SAS has a massive ego. Skip is only ego. I'm not even sure a real Skip Bayless exists under whatever character he's created
@@geordiejones5618know this to be true. Stephen A Smith would self induce a coma if the cowboys made it to the superbowl.
All my homies hate skip bayless
That's why he's famous lmao people love to hate a villain and with his awful opinions it's so easy for them to be correct when arguing his points
Never forget the mulitple compilations of Skip debating against himself because of his flip flopping.
Oh I have to find these!
Thanks for the re-record Kofie. Didn’t want the comments and algorithms to lambast you for the previous video. Appreciate the commitment to your craft.
Why do people NEED a snap beat in the background
Shit attention spans and this is coming from a person with ADHD 💀@@saulabbott-atchison6660
can't stand Emmanuel Acho either
He has so willingly conformed to whatever his producers wanted and everything he says feels deeply disingenuous.
He's so bad
Acho has less sports knowledge than Max. I'm not even talking about Kellerman, I'm talking about Max, my puppy dog.
@@fredb3400 What kinda pupper?
I know it's not a Golden, as even though Max isn't Air Bud, ya gotta think there's still genetics going on.
I hate him more than skip
I never understood the appeal of these shows, it was just people yelling and spouting nonsensical takes. It really made sports discussion with people around me incredibly toxic, and honestly just affected my overall enjoyment of sports for a good period of time.
Same people that watch Fox News
So you let the opinions of people you don’t know affect your enjoyment of a sport you like?? No one is forcing anyone to watch these shows 🤷🏾♂️
@@captaincozy4523
And yet he probably doesnt, and still hears their regurgitated takes through people he DOES talk to.
I cannot tell you (as a person living in DFW) how many times i have heard someone shit on the cowboys for no reason and then also say the name "skip bayless" or "stephen a smith" in the same breath
@@captaincozy4523 just making an observation 🤷♂️
@@jknintendo ayy man, don’t argue with people that can’t form their own opinions 🤷🏾♂️ it’s mentally exhausting. I’ve never had a sports conversation with someone and they bring up Skip Bayless or Stephen A 🤷🏾♂️
Also forgive my ignorance but is DFW a place?? I’m not American lol 🤣
Going from not having cable until 8th grade to having 10s of thousands of subs is a crazy glow-up, good on ya kid
Growing up with peak SportsCenter and watching it fall off was so painful lol
Bros causally dropping at 1 in the morning
He the Goat rn
Just got back from the bar and smoking a blunt. I'm loving it
Causally?...
He was up playing NCAA 25 brodie
@@destytayzo77”he was up playing ncaa. Brodie” 2x
The best part about the Stephen A and Skip debates is that they both found a way to be wrong
Better together lol
Skip Bayless the OG rage baiter. Been doing it since day one you gotta respect it.
Like it or not Skip Bayless is the father of hot take journalism. I've never been able to stand the guy and I'm a Dallas cowboys fan so that says something. I saw one really good thing that Skip Bayless did and it was about his family and how he basically had no ties with them at all and he explained some of the reasons why. I had no idea that famous Chicago chef Rick Bayless was Skip's brother. It never occurred to me because the two people couldn't be any more different but both of them did reach the highest level in their field. The only difference is there aren't 50 million people out there who hate Rick Bayless.
Yeah, it's just Skip who seems to dislike his brother, but he doesn't totally clarify why, just that there's some long-term differences that led to estrangement, I believe. Meanwhile, all Rick's done is be the leading advocate for traditional Mexican food in the U.S. versus the Tex-Mex stuff everyone is used to. He's fascinated by his work, educated, and super chill--exactly the opposite of Skip.....maybe that's why Skip doesn't get along with him.
Skip is literally J. Jonah Jameson
Good point at the end, first things first has been my favorite sports show for years now
Bro is going to have to settle for being homophobic at McDonald's at 7 am like everyone else
Good ol' boomer breakfast! 😂😂
I dunno, man. I once had a hobo tell me in a Taco Bell that the illuminati ran everything, and you could even see it the way the Taco Bell wasn't even trying to hide it with all the pyramids they had all over their advertising!
So, they're diversifying their palettes a lil bit.
I think the best way to talk about skip's era of debate bullshit is to look at the aftermath with a show like first things first on FS1.
That show is 3 friends joking, debating and just having fun discussing sports... And it feels like a breath of fresh air because it's fun. (same with nightcap or pat McAfee in some capacity)
Sports media is back to being fun again while skip was making it exhausting.
McAfee tends to lean into the annoying side of things a lil too much
Heard you say that "Dwight Howard looks like Tarzan" comment and was like wow that's a racially charged comment
Then realized Tarzan was white and now I don't know what to think
It's cause Kofie is color blind
If you really think about it, Tarzan could have never been anything but white.
@@darkvader2024he was white, his parents were British, therefore he was British.
And not just British, but British in the mid-late 1800’s.
this is hella entertaining y’all debating Tarzan ethnicity in a basketball commentary commentary video. So many layers 😂😂😂
What made prime first take captivating for me was how the back and fourths would play out and where they would go to.
Seems like all those back and forth trash talk shows eventually the people really start to dislike each other off camera because of the arguments. I remember that show Mike & Mike they hated each other by the end.
@@adamprice3466 yeah it’s peculiar with someone you work with that often and even more so when you know them personally. Even mike Francesa and chris Russo needed a break from one another. People in the future will just learn from these shows what to do and what not or do.
Casually dropping that Skip is 72 years old. What do you mean!? To be fair, he’s the most animated cadaver I’ve ever watched.
But it seems like America loves 70 year Olds.. lol
@@fredb3400Oh they do lol
Rick Bayless > Skip Bayless
I'll watch him talk about Mexican cuisine before I ever watch Skip talk sports again 😂
Thank you for remaking this video with fixed audio brother
I always appreciated what max kellerman brought to the table, he was someone who knew how to not fall in narratives Stephen a would want to make the discussion about that were unpopular.
His brother is so much cooler Skip is MID
Kellerman is the man
Those clips on TH-cam of "Max being more Black than Stephen A" are low key funny. Stephen will do the "Lay off the damn WEEEEEEEEED" & Kellerman takes the "who tf cares about smoking some weed?!" Or "an Oz aint that much man...." positions.
😅
Whenever I think of Skip Bayless I think of that 30 Rock fake sports show called "Sports Shouting."😅
Both him and Stephen A. Smith remind me of that 30 ROCK bit. Glad I wasn’t the only one.
Apparently no one fucks with Acho 💀
I liked Skip back on Cold Pizza when he had Woody Page on the other side as a goofy foil
You are becoming one of the best TH-camrs man, can’t wait for your college football series
Skip gonna be like the Joker at Batman's funeral when Lebron retires.
Just wanted to chime in that I saw the first vid and you didn't need to re-record because the comments told you to. But I still respect the hustle to no end.
I read an article about this news, and it said his departure would be felt across "the take sphere" multiple times. "THE TAKE SPHERE." Please people of Earth, stop watching "the take sphere" so this terrible chapter of media history goes away...
Rick Bayless > Skip Bayless
Rick has had his own successful Mexican cooking show. No co-hosts needed.
Skipper is the reason I stopped watching ESPN. If I want to watch people argue I'll go outside.
fw the vibes. glad i found the channel.
Excellent analysis. As someone who came across your channel for the first time your sports media training is self evident here. Great point about Shannon also falling flat on First Take. He’s definitely thriving on his own youtube channel where he can set the tone and control the pace, but First Take is not a successful follow up to his stint on Undisputed.
I really do believe that part of the reason ESPN is doing so poorly as a business now is their choice to embrace entertainment with sports as a pretext rather than entertainment with sports as the focus. There are channels, like HBO before it became Max, that clearly survived the cutting cable movement, and they did so because they made sustainable program choices, programs that people in 5, 10, 15 years will still see as high quality. There's a world where whenever I watch a clip of an old championship game I also want to watch ESPN-produced commentary about that clip from that time. But I don't, and I think many others don't either. ESPN has been making disposable programming for so long that they now are not the place basically any sports fan who isn't ultra casual goes to for sports commentary. If Disney drops them, ESPN is near over on the front of programming that isn't live and re-run games. ESPN the business couldn't see past the near-medium term, and now it's catching up to them.
Skip career is a lot like a Dr J:
Def a GOAT, and forever changed the game, but played long enough to watch the League grow beyond him.
Nah the random Acho stray was a crazy way to end the video
Okay I get taking down the original video but the VHS vibe with the camera mic was a vibe lol. Still a great video. Keep up the good work 😂
shit where else am i gonna see a man on television talk about something he knows nothing about with such confidence ? oh wait. twitter exists. nvm we gud
Oh hey, the mic's working now!
I can’t watch these daily shows on FS1 or ESPN without thinking of the Sports Shouting gag on 30 Rock:
Tracy Jordan just appearing in a split screen, as other people are talking, and just screaming without any words.
That’s the noise these shows produce
Much much better audio this time 😅 Definitely keep the retro look going forward imo, good vibes.
"Those days are gone."
Could we be so lucky?
I see you fixed the sound on the video
Oh shit, now where’s Lil Wayne gonna go pretend he knows about sports?
Kofie the Kendrick Lamar of sports history/break down and sports gaming videos 🐐🐐
First Things First to me is the next evolution of this type of show, originally starting off as a First Take Clone and now has the energy and comedy to make it work without ragebait
Correction ,Shannon was pushed out
Paul Pierce is way funnier with KG
Skip Bayless getting trolled for his high school basketball stats is still one of my favorite videos
Love the videos and your breakdowns of what's going on in the sports media world
They should have kept Jenny Taft and Shannon
the sp lining up is nice
Do carnival barkers go quietly into the night?
People say that they would rather hear former players but then when Gilbert Arenas says ridiculous stuff people complain 🤣😭
Skip will stand on a point and never get off it...he hated on giannis lebron mahomes from jump and nothing they do will impress him...yes even mahomes
Thank god for the re-upload no offense but that mic on the first upload was horrid
Paul Pierce is funny, though...
Damn, I remember watching Cold Pizza before school with my parents -sometimes we would have cold pizza from the night before: synergy! I am a Skip Bayless hater since elementary school. Like, I have brain space taken up by remembering Skip’s tireless hatred of Terrell Owens that really started rubbing me the wrong way after the first couple days of it, and I do wonder what didn’t stick in my hippocampus for me to remember a guy being obnoxious about a quarterback with a penchant for showboating.
Good stuff as always Kofie
damn i didn’t have cable until my senior year i feel ya heavy
I see First Take and Undisputed clips on Facebook, and that's enough for me. Who is sitting there watching this for a half hour or an hour every day?
the world is healing
hey bro i like the new style to the vid looks cool
5:44 You should be thankful you didn't always have cable. I bet you appreciated having it much more when you did get it.
14:00 agree on the comedy stuff. First Things First does hot takes but they are self aware about it and funny
I wouldn't be surprised if amazon or NBC gets him to go with the new tv deal
Would be funny if he became a commentator/analyst for NBA on NBC
I remember the days of Cold Pizza and how it eventually became 1st Take....to see how sports journalist's went from actual journalism to becoming nothing but "hot takes" has been something to see. Now the current zeitgeist of all sports shows revolve around these talking heads giving these takes, instead of just talking about the sport. Its repulsive to me and has turned me off of espn and all these other sports networks.
Tubby Smith said Kelenna Azubuike looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane back in (i think?) 2003 or 2004. Skip said the same thing about Shelden Williams of Duke about 15 years ago ("as J.J. [Reddick] goes cold but keeps jacking up shots from 30 ft, Shelden Williams looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane"). So I think Skip might have stolen the phrase & used it multiple times cuz he thought it'd be funny.
Holy shit skip looks pretty good for 72. Being a hater helps you age
I feel like the one lifelong sports fan who has never had the slightest interest in hot topic debate shows or segments. That's why I am checking out a Movie video analyzing them instead!
When Shannon left it was over. I knew it was only a matter of time
I loved sportsnation
aye glad to see you fixed the mic, looks like you had to rerecord the whole vid but im here watching now.
I’m sure Skip could’ve done a better job at extending his character’s shelf life, but the fact is all bits have an expiration date. Steven A did a better job but I think there’s a reason he says Yes to everything.
Young folks will only hate… but Skip built a large part of the industry… he just became a relic, overstayed his welcome… at least worth his recent tactics… all Lebron, all Dallas.
...and a little bit of A-Rodg here and there. But TBF that's what ALL these shows focus on. Its like baseball doesn't even exist.
One person that doesn’t get enough credit for making the Stephen A-Skip First Take era so great is Cari Champion. That was the peak of First Take and national
sports debate. She had the look, the voice, and played her part well. She didn’t interrupt, and when she did bring her opinions into the conversation, they made sense and complimented the performative nature of SAS and Skip. Those three together were solid gold. I wish they never messed with that.
I dont know journaling, and dont claim to, but how do you get a degree in that field, a field where the hope and the goal is to make change in the most unbiased way possible, and then decide to take that position of influence and infuse bias into the entire broadcast? Do you not feel any moral corruption there? Im sorry, I did not know about that broadcast until this video
Even as a cowboys fan I was tired of only talking about the chiefs cowboys and Brady when he was playing.
You had no idea how right you were
I'll get some champagne
You know skip a bandwagoner with the cowboys spurs red sox vanderbilt oklahoma fandom he has...none of those are the same...how can someone like different cities in every sport like this
He started out in Texas, so the Texas teams track. You can even give him a pass for Oklahoma. The Red Sox are the real questionable team. As for Vandy, idk where in the south they are located. 😂
@cjmack8153
Yeah I just learned that and was gonna edit my reply.
He grew up in OKC, and OU is right there in the south metro area. We don't have an NFL team in OK, so a lot of people here are Cowboy fans. He went to Vanderbilt. Don't know about the Red Sox.
The end of a hater era.
ESPN is flooded with talking heads nowadays. They needed the McAfee show as a breath of fresh air. Could only go so far with Bayless and SAS being shoved down your throat.
30 years this man can retire
Idk why i havent watched an episode of any of these shows and srill watched all this lol
We just have too many option for good sports talk to be held captive by these charlatans. Also, you avoiding Perkins despite the numerous chances to bring him up is commendable
a reupload ?
1am drop crazy
Nah. As long as all of these sports debate shows dominate network programming his era will continue.
skip will not be missed
If you want my opinion on Skip, just play the Don LaGreca rant.
The Bayless Era is over? I didn't realize it started...must've skipped it.
Water pistol Pete, that's enough.
I think the BEST Skip can do is just stick with the podcast, maybe use it as a way to prop up his life story, give people an inside look into the industry or how he got to where he got, but in more detail. Outside of that, I would just let it ride. Folks will remember the years of entertainment and controversy, not this short time at the end.
So whens his last day?
Damn who will we hate the most now 😅
Himself
Probably Stephen A
When I say I respect and want to pogo stick Joy Taylor; but Acho makes the program indigestible. Rooks and Taylor during the football season might solidify them as some go-tos’ in the future.
There’s a term for what happened to Skip in wrestling, he worked himself into a shoot
Not really a wresling term as much as a Hoganism, brother
I really hope its over