Bob Dylan's death drive - Plato and Lacan vs. Deleuze - Benjamin Studebaker and Michael Downs
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I’m really proud of this one!
Hell yeah!!
Me too, man. This has got to be the smartest thing I’ve ever listened to. And it’s over 2 hours long! All the listeners honestly deserve to give ourselves a big pat on the back, tbh. I’m so proud of us. Don’t be shy, we know who we are! 🥲 👍 👏 👏
EDIT: Omg I almost forgot! You Ben Nance and Dave did pretty good too! =P
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Thank you for this wonderful discussion. I feel like there is some kind of drive inside me that pushes me to stay in the Agapic mode of being and every second that I give to other energies/drives/ modes of being (eros, time etc) has started to feel like a waste of time however I do understand the necessity of having them. How does one strike the balance?
I also believe that to answer the question "what constitutes a good life" this whole discussion is really important!
hells yeah! Happy New Year!!! This shit goes hard!!!!
Great
I've struck gold with finding you guys. I've noticed that almost every truly valuable content online has a small following, and a small community of interested people. I started identifying fakeness in people who act in ways that are required for them to achieve higher numbers (in anything). This is how capitalism captures authenticity and "the good" - by using it only for "pragma" and just getting those numbers up. You do not do that. As far as I wish more people knew about you guys, at the same time I realize that not everyone is ready for this, and that the road to 'agape' or whatever high state of being and "good life" we aim for, can only be achieved step by step, brick by brick, just like you don't go to jiu-jitsu class and start rolling with black belts - you start your way with white, blue and so on until you reach your vision very slowly through many obstacles and, hardship and sweat. Nothing good is easy, but when you are at that state of "good", then everything becomes easy. It's about levels.
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Great stuff many thanks
Though, of course, for Alan Lomax his irritation was never about the “electric” part but about his support for folk musicians (including black blues artists) over against the capture of it by music industry synthetic stardom.
@@bcharris108 everybody knows what's best but some people just don't matter as much when the times are a changing. Like he's welcome to his principles but who cares about him. I say this in all awareness that a week from now I might be saying he's the most important and misunderstood person in the history of music 😅
@ haha, for sure. No, what’s interesting to me is the way the core of the folk movement was based on a Soviet approach to ethnomusicology-mediated by the Communist Party USA-that said, rather than tell people what their music is about, go to the people and ask them and transmit it in a way that is empowering of the voice of the working class communities from which they come. It wouldn’t just be symbolic capital for the upwardly mobile students to play around with but a basis of mass cultural solidarity that challenged corporate homogeneity.
So, to Lomax and Seeger and the folkies who got that, rock & roll is folk music-they all loved it. The working class guy up there from Mississippi or New Orleans or wherever doing electric blues for a middle class audience is a folk singer. The worry was that Dylan would lead his audience to abandon that community building project and hand them over to record executives of the kind who had strip-mined the rural cultures, black and white, and processed them into consumer products with chosen representatives who broke the lineage to those communities. And that did happen.
Anyway, the film gets that kind of right-more than other depictions where it is backwards, depicting the folkies as just a bunch of snobbish academic aesthetes. The folkies I met with who were the rump that kept to the old model of the socialist retrieval of popular song in mutuality are some of the loveliest people I’ve known, from whom I learned a great deal. I still like Dylan’s or Joan Baez’s or whoever’s stuff after that but my heart is with Pete, who was so generous and inviting to all. I do my best to support grassroots music.
Holy shit, Benjamin. This is epic
All good philosophy happens under conditions of leisure.
this is not philosophy for sure.
so here's the deal - that makes sense, it's compelling and it explains a lot, and it's one of those realizations that once you have it, so many other things unlock, and it even becomes a necessary condition of intelligibility for thought itself moving forward. But, I want to challenge this! I'm not here celebrating idiocy and foolishness and talking about "the wisdom of the madmen," or some dumbass fetishized bullshit, but I do want to stick up for those of us driven by Fury and Rage rather than Leisure and Love. I think that MOST good philosophy, most ACTUAL THOUGHT, can only occur under conditions of leisure, but to say ALL is taking it too far, I think. I'm not here to eat grapes and be fancy, I'm here to destroy the fucking future!
@@ThreeBillionNances Outstanding! Never stop. Imagine a world where all good leisure comes from philosophy!
@@ThreeBillionNances No, you are wrong, most good philosophy occurs under conditions of pressure. Life in itself is not leisure, existence is not about leisure. Actually, too much leisure diminishes philosophical thought. A clear example of this is TU, you guys have too much time and the things you guys are saying are not profound due to critical theory.
@@ThreeBillionNances No, you are wrong, most good philosophy occurs under conditions of pressure. Life in itself is not leisure, existence is not about leisure. Actually, too much leisure diminishes philosophical thought. A clear example of this is TU, you guys have too much time and the things you guys are saying are not profound due to critical theory.
We need education, yo.
Outline curriculum menu book list
@@kevintewey1157 which one
Trust the plan
Trust The Process
@ThreeBillionNances that's deep actually
Like very deep and true
Based
Its all Greek to me mate!
@@johnnyecoman9121 it always is until one day it just isn't any longer!
@theory_underground lo, for a more plain language version of Benjamin's presentation I recommend Dorothy Rowe, especially her book, Wanting Everything, The Art Of Happiness. She was an anarchist psychologist whose writing covered a wide area of subjects
You guys need to be brave and discuss how Abraham's religions do not allow for true agape, that it is perverted
@@Hitee-id7qk sounds like you want to watch the end of the first 2nd anniversary EMSTU. Mikey went OFF on that kind of thing and had a great little proto converdiction with Benjamin