40K Lore - The Rangdan Xenocides - The Mystery of the Missing Primarchs finally Solved
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- I hope you enjoyed all of my rumbling, still refining audio quality and editing, but the video is already leagues superior to the trailer.
And almost 40 minutes long.
SOURCES USED:
Rangdan Xenocides:
1: The Horus Heresy Book Seven pgs. 81-82
2: The Horus Heresy Book Five pg. 96
3: The Horus Heresy Book Three pg. 82
4: Scions of the Emperor (Anthology) - First Legion
5: The Horus Heresy Book Eight pg.16
6: The Horus Heresy Book Nine
6a: pg. 90-91
6b: pg. 107
6c: pg. 125-126
7: Alpharius: Head of the Hydra (Novel), - Hydra Domninatus
8: White Dwarf 470, pg. 101 - Chronicles of the Horus Heresy
9: The Horus Heresy Book Six - Retribution
9a: pg. 57
9b: pg. 61
9c: pg. 79
9d: pg. 95
10: Campaigns of the Age of Darkness: The Siege of Cthonia, pg. 121, The Legiones Inductii
11: The Regimental Standard - Field Dressing a Lasgun Wound (archived 17 March 2019)
Rangdan's Specie:
1: The Horus Heresy Book Seven - Inferno
1a: pgs. 81-82
1b: pgs. 133
2: The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal, pg. 99
3: First Legion (Short Story) - Scions of the Emperor (Anthology)
4: The Horus Heresy Book Nine
4a: pg.89-91
4b: pg.120-122
4c: pg. 125-126
Warhammer 40K Heresyposting: / heresyposting
Florkofcows Official Page: / florkofcowsofficial
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FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE 100% CONVINCED THE PRIMER ARTICLE AND PICTURE IS SATIRE:
Removing that I doubt it is as it was official content, the timeline lines up with what the primer confirms, the Ultramarines swelled to surpass all others when the two missing legions were forgotten as the Marines of the Gal Vorbak said, that happened during the second Rangdan Xenocide when they surpassed the Dark Angels and all other legions, becoming the biggest one of all of them, confirming that the missing legions were forgotten during the second rangdan xenocide.
That article is just confirming what everything else was already implying.
If this were to ever become established canon, that would make Erda being responsible for the primarchs being separated even more ridiculous lol.
Erda: "I'm not going to let you use my sons to wage a xenocidal war across the cosmos... instead I'm going to disperse them across the galaxy and cross my fingers they don't get fucked up wherever they land".
11th primarch: *Becomes immediate meatpuppet for one of the most ruthless and objectively evil xenos races in the galaxy, and summarily dies during the Rangdan Xenocides, having never lived a life of his own*
Grimdark and grimderp.
One of the few times I was cheering for Erebus.
@@junhongli1167 Erebus did a lot of things wrong, this one was justified
Not to mention the shit Angron had to go through
And still F**k EREBUS !
This must be what it felt like for an Astartes Legion to meet its Primarch for the first time.
Never has my two hearts beat with so much pride.
"Don't bully the iron hands fans. There's only 2 of them and their lore is punishment enough"
Damn, dude. You didn't have to do them dirty like that lol
I feel personally attacked by this IH bullying! 😂
In Apharius' book, during a council before enacting a plan to help locate Horus who may or may not be fighting off the rangda, "Alpharius" says the following:
"I would not have a brother fall in battle before he has even been reunited with my father."
That seems like too specific a line not to be a wink and a nod. I definitely think this was the fate of at least one of the Primarchs. And it absolutely makes sense to attempt to omit from Imperial history. Because it's more a failing of the Emperor than anything else.
Damn it, failed to remember that line as I was writing the script.
Joy the Catachan is now my favorite character XD
Edit:
If the fate of the 11th is indeed accurate to this video... Man, I imagine the sheer horror and tragedy in the 11th legion's hearts when they marched into combat only to see their enslaved gene-father for the first time.
This gives me inspiration to draw the scenario.
Daddy’s finally uploaded!!! Let’s goooo! The thick “meat a ball” accent is perfection
I can call him Daddy?
First of all, congrats on the video release.
Second, that's an interesting way to put it, I do know that the possible way for the two missing primarchs are erased is that they possibly turned against the emperor, but this is a new way to look at it and pretty much plausible.
Huros wasn't purged so it makes sense
Goddamn, 13 hours of editing in one sitting. I applaud you funny italian man
Idk why im imagining Rangdan Xenocide as irl Punic War.
Both wars has three phases, the second one was the bloodiest, and the third was simply a one-sided anhillation where the defeated city of Carthage got burned to the ground and salted by the Romans.
Considering GW's penchant for using history as inspiration, ur probably right over the target on this one.
I am the King, I am the leader of battle and war
I am the Legion, I am the bringer of light
I am the torch, I am the love, I am your sin
Come to me, kneel down for me, one more time
I am the Emperor of the Sun, I am the first and the last
I am the New World Order to come, I am the first and the last
My Kingdom's rising, your world is dying
Within a blink of an eye
I am the Emperor of the Sun, I am the only one
Honestly, it does make sense, even if it’s still just speculation. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but when I joined 40K back in the end of 7th and start of 8th, people would always talk about how the 2nd and 11th were ways that you could make your own loyal/heretical space marine chapters fit in to the general established lore, given it fit the status quo of the other legions. However, as 8th progressed on, and into 9th and 10th, what became much more emphasized and pushed was the existence of successor chapters branching off of founding chapters. I feel this is how chapters like the Raptors, the Charcarodons (if I am spelling that right), and other more well know loyalist successor chapters were brought into the limelight. Even for chaos, the ideas of warbands seemed to be more heavily pushed, explaining how they never lost their inherent traitorous heritage but adapted to different methodologies and levels of warp-taint.
I say all this as I feel this leans heavily into why they started pushing for the idea of successor chapters. The Primarchs of the 2nd and 11th are gone, but their soldiers were filtered into other chapters (as established by the swelling of the 13th). Perhaps these soldiers brought forth a vastly different fishing style, and, if they survived the heresy, would go on to found some of the first successor chapters during the various foundings. This would also explain why some chapters, before the introduction of the primaris and chapters like the Sons of the Phoenix, had successors that seemed partially off from their original chapter ideology and primarch. Now, again, I could be spouting complete and utter rubbish, connecting completely unrelated points with a red line of string, but it is still something to consider.
All I know is that The Rainbow Warriors, at least a chapter's of the Fists and the Marines Malevolent have the same insignia lol
The man, the Italian, the long awaited!
"where tf is the North of space?" I always wondered this myself.
I agree with all your whole theory I think it makes the most sense. Could you imagine when an enslaved primarch for unlessed on the legions in a battle? That sheer terror and confusion. I also think this is where the animosity between Leman and the Lion. I think it makes more sense for the duels to develop out of this then the canonical reason which I forgot because it was lame(I think) lol I keep adding more as I think about this video. The other later HH plotline this can help make more sense is Leman's plan to charge towards Horus's fleet. Something happened between Leman, the Second and the Eleventh which left Leman with a guilt that made him never hesitate if something like that happens again. To end it before another brother dies. I dunno great video I'm just spit balling.
Altough I agree with the fate of the second, I think the eleventh is still around. The custodes codex mentions a prisoner of the vaults of Terra named subject eleven and if I recall correctly during his encounter with the Emperor, the Lion is told about having 19 brothers, and the eleventh is mentioned as well in the order in which they were discovered. Furthemore it would fit the narrative of the war of the false primarch
Have you read "Let the Galaxy Burn" short story compilation? There is story told in one of them "That when the Great Eagle found his Children one of them was tainted and willingly allowed the Great Eagle to kill him". If I can find my copy I'll give you a proper source.
A tragic tale. Ah, that hurts. Fulgrim had to purge his legion, but they were few and dealing with a geneseed mutation.
But a full legion and its Primarch? Who probably tried to save his sons and failed. Who ran out of time, unsuccessful, himself tainted, as the Space Wolves closed in to do what he could not.
And the Eleventh. To cross half the galaxy in search of their genesire, to find him... and lose him, forced to put him down in order to set him free.
Great video chapter master. Very nice elaboration too.
However I do have my doubts.
"...Speak what must be spoken. You are afraid.’
‘I am,’ Lorgar confessed. ‘I fear the Emperor will break the Word Bearers - and break me. We would be cast alongside the brothers we no longer speak of.’
The silence was hardly comforting. ‘Well?’ Lorgar asked.
‘He might,’ the one-eyed giant said. ‘There was talk of it, before Monarchia.’
‘Did he come to you to ask your thoughts?’
‘He did,’ Magnus admitted.
‘And he went to our brothers?’
‘I believe so. Don’t ask what sides were taken by whom, for I do not know where most of them stood. Russ was with you, as was Horus. In fact, it was the first time the Wolf King and I have agreed on anything of import.’
‘Leman Russ spoke in my favour?’ Lorgar laughed. ‘Truly, we live in an age of marvels.’
Magnus didn’t share the amusement. His lone eye was a deep, arctic blue as it fixed upon Lorgar. ‘He did. The Space Wolves are a spiritual Legion, in their
own stunted and blind way. Fenris is an unmerciful cradle, and it breeds such things in them. Russ knows that, though he lacks the intelligence to give it voice. Instead, he swore that he’d already lost two brothers, and had no desire to lose a third.’
‘Two already lost.’ Lorgar looked back to the city. ‘I still recall how they-’
‘Enough,’ warned Magnus. ‘Honour the oath you took that day.’
‘You all find it so easy to forget the past. None of you ever wish to speak of what was lost. But could you do it again?’ Lorgar met his brother’s eyes. ‘Could you stand with Horus or Fulgrim, and never again speak my name purely because of a promise?’
Magnus wouldn’t be drawn into this. ‘The Word Bearers will not walk the same paths as the forgotten and the purged. I trust you, Lorgar...."
ADB's The First Heretic doesn't suggest the missing Primarchs were controlled by someone or something. More like they rebeled. And in their rebellion they were broken by the Emperor. And that's what Lorgar is afraid of. That he and his legion will be seen as rebels in the eyes of the Emperor, because of Lorgar's incompetence, so He would have to unleash Russ, the self proclaimed Emperor's Executioner upon him.
Just my theory ofc.
Still, they are speculating, they were wrong on the date, so I have my doubts they themselves know the truth about the whole situations.
These wars vaguely remind me of the Punic wars
Theirs memories weren't manipulated by the Emperor?
It's finally here! For our Primarch!
This is a work of the most meticulous research (and I mean the word "most" very specifically) and wonderfully gifted conjecture.
That a conclusion that isn't confirmed in absolute terms about a subject that is specifically intended to remain a mystery must by definition remain in the class "circumstantial" is a given, but **that never means it isn't absolutely correct**
The direction of the 40k game and it's developing lore at the time the Rangdan and their conflict were introduced was under the control and stewardship of folk I knew personally at the time and I can attest that their creative qualities and enthusiasm could absolutely have created this obscured narrative layer. It's foundational enough to have been respected and left alone ever since.
i wish I could ask them secretly but I respect them too much as people.
I was at the time of Rogue Trader and the genesis of 40k at Chewton St, but I was studio adjacent, and for a good while afterward and I can tell you that no whisper of this ever broke the surface even very privately.
That simple fact is quite huge, these were not blabbermouths and they enormously respected the integrity of their baby, but still
I find I really love your work, especially it's quality and it's shockingly enjoyable delivery and in this matter, it's now canon for me. Which is the best compliment I can give it.
Finally. Content worth doing anything for!
We’ve been looking forward to this and it was great 👏🏻
A wonderful deep dive into the lore with answers I thought I would never see. Thank you Danny! 🫡
Great video! That shout the gaurdsman is doing is from the original dow trailer im sure , just as the sergeant leads the charge 😂
Great video Danny keep up the good work!
Great video man cant wait for the next one
A well researched, and reasoned article. Well done Danny!
The explanation is solid , best explanation yet . good job .
This is excellent work! Kudos!
Great video, keep it up Mister Fortuna
This was great! Thank you Lord Fortuna!
For the Tuna!
Great video man.
My new favorite lore channel
This was really awesome dude. It's really nice to have some definitive answers
Great Video Danny! Daje forte!
Very good stuff! Hope to see more of this fantastic quality.
What a great video! Please keep doing these. That VO actor was awesome.
Hi, I'm the VA from the video, thank you so much!
Commenting for the algorithm. 40k lore let's goooo!
Great video, and really good analysis. Your answer seems very logical.
Brilliant!! You connected a lot of dots there I'been thinking about.
Thanks for this video. I always figured it was the XIth primarch that got taken out by Russ but your theory that it was the 2nd because of an infection makes more sense.
Νice first video man. Hope you have a nice start
Fuuck... i think you actually found the answer... and it's horribly sad 😢
Fantastic research my man. Much respect has been earned. I'll sub to you for that.
Phenomenal Danny good job.
One of the major problems with the WH40K prequels is they would have to explain the 2 lost Legions which was made to allow creative flexibility for homebrew armies.
You would need them if not for all of the goddamned chapters.
Great Start!
Fantastic first video. Can't wait for more Lord Tuna.
First vid from our Pasta Primarch! It is a glorious day
*I can make ther plot twist even worse*
What if the Rangdan were tall *because* of finding a Primarch baby and unlocking his gene works? This means that Erda, in wanting to stop a galactic genocide, either knew this was going to happen and enpowere the Rangdan on purpose to give them a chance to stop the crazy Emperor, or didn't and this means she mistakenly caused the enslavement of her own son and the empowerment of *another* genocidal race. I don't know which is worse honestly...
*Now, even worse*
What if the Emperor had seen a way to regain his son, but the Primarch was killed by the Void Dragon shard in a feat for vengeance against its captor? I can almost picture it, the shard has the Primarch incapacitated but still alive, the Emperor flies in to rescue his son, and the shard suddenly rips his head off so the Emperor can't have him. Now the Emperor not only has to cover up the mortality of Primarchs, but he can also do nothing to the shard for killing his son, because if he kills it then the mechanicum goes along with it, and the damage is already done. He has to live knowing that he owns everythign he has achieved to the murderer of his son, a murderer that he did not stop when he could. Now he is also left with TWO secrets that he cannot afford to be leaked: 1) a Primarch was killed, 2) by a shard of a Xeno (not a human) that empowers the Machine Cult and is locked under Mars.
The emperors wife was the stupidest plot point they could possibly have added... such a stupid move on GW's point. It was uneccessary, added nothing, and actively detracts from established cannon by muddying the water. Retconning for absolutely no gain and no plotholes being filled. It actually creates more.
Sub thoroughly earned!
Finally, a decent TH-camr in a while
Absolutely amazing
Best explanation yet, for the lost Primarchs.
I always thought that might have been the case it's good to see someone hugely more knowledgeable explain it
We stand by your side our primarch
i would be ok on making that cannon, one of the best explanations i've heard
Rolling on the floor lol one of the best 40k videos ever
YES! ITS HERE! FINALLY!
Nice detective work 👍
So it begins !
Amazing
Great video. Even on the parts that I personally don't agree with, I like how in depth you went into explaining how you came to each conclusion. Cant wait for more.
Glad Slay Marbo got to be in this video at the bigining !!
Completely agree, and as The Might Fortuna has said alot of sources have pointed towards this.
My 1 thing i might add is, maybe the Emperor also didnt want any one to go looking for the Rangdan or any of their technology so rebellious groups would seek them out to fight the Imperium.
Love it
Great video. I love how you narrate with a cool Vampire accent!
Romanian accent? 🤔🤔😅😅
That would be his Italian accent… completely unrelated to vampires..
Fantastic
I think another reason the teo had to be forgotten was because so much of the imperium was based on the infallibility of the impiriim and the Emperor, that both were the best for humanity. If either primarch, the pinacle of the emperor's genecraft, could be suberverted, his perfection would be shattered.
Its also more than likely the primarchs were vulnerable to whatever infection the rangdan utilised. Oculus imperia mentioned that the imperium utilised weapons designed to destroy information itself, implying the rangdan could infest the very information of the universe.
Then Oculus lied. I studied all sources on the rangdan, and there was no mention of that anywhere.
Both of the fans of the Iron Hands are probably grateful for your sympathy.
I kinda had that same thoughts awhile for the loss of the second primarch with him captured and mentally chained to a xeno race
My new theory is that Florkofcows is Pio. I will shout this from the roof tops until Flork holds a press conference to dispel the rumors.
Very interesting theories for sure, I do like that the one of the lost primarch never had a chance due to this war the Imperium almost lost.
But I still hold on the 11th is a servant of Malaal given the Subject 11th blurb in the 9th edition SM codex. Might be true, might be not-who knows?
Why was Sanguinius so afraid of execution of Blood Angels when Emps was completely okay with the actions of Pre-Heresy World Eaters and Night Lords and the flesh change of Thousand Sons? Emps wouldn't have batted a eye on vampirism of Blood Angels.
Good, goooooood!
Great
Thanks erda
Fantastic video! my only point of critique is to potentiall speak a bit slower, as it could be hard to keep up on occasion, but overall very good.
FINALLY
Yeah, this makes sense.
Lore filled fever dream
Quanto devo pagare per avere gli audiobook della HH riletti da te? :)
*Hour of a rolling R* Rangda!
It does seem like many of the writers of 40K lore don’t have even the most basic understanding of military tactics.
As usual yeah.
The rustic Italian accent gives it a good touch
Great video! The Tuna Crusade is real!
solid
Wait, I thought that was the generally accepted theory on what the hell happened. Outside of the “make your own legions” schtick.
Obviously and apparently unknowingly, the Primarchs Fortuna has blessed me with great foresight on this issue. Fortunate indeed!
Nah, most times I see people talking about the missing Primarchs, they theorize that they must've betrayed the Imperium.
@@samiamtheman7379 I obviously put too much faith in the ability for the community to connect the dots. 😂
Our Primarch has provided lore unto us this day. Thank the Emperor!
Giulio is so fucking cool.
Thank you Silas😎
Ah the inner nerd is satisfied, you added the references you used
mans a hero
I heard him snap his fingers, and I stiffened up immediately. I've been watching this too much.
Damn near 40 minutes lesgoooooo 😂
Sly Marbo scream, nice touch
Congratulations on the video!
Hope we get more. Keep it up! And thank you for purging that heretic with the pineapple on pizza!
Glory to our Primarch Danny
The accent does it for me lol, like a vampire making 40k lore videos.
I mean, it is an italian accent, I would not classify it as a "Vampire Accent".
With how much garlic we italians eat as a vampire I would already be dead.
@ThePontiusGlaw69 😂 true, nice video though
My headcannon after hearing this is that the 2nd had to slay the 11th who was a rangdan slave and in turn got infected by the 11th, having to be purged later on.
It is possible, but with how big the war was, it is hard to see the coincidence of a primarch finding another primarch to face on the battlefield.
“You DON’T want to know what happens if I snap 4 times”