The Angus Signature pickup sounds quite good - I can only imagine what it would sound like in the correct position! 🟢My Website: www.troglysguitarshow.com 🔴Reverb:reverb.com/shop/troglys?_aid=growsumo&gs_partner=Trogly ❓Private Help Sessions: troglysguitarshow.com/help-appraisals/ 👕 Merch: teespring.com/basic-logo-4245?pid=211
It sounds amazing. I have a regular Gibson SG Special with Angus Young’s signature pickup in the bridge and a 57 classic (possibly) in the neck. Angus Young’s pickup sounds amazing in the correct position.
I think someone swap the neck pickup to bridge because 57 classic sounds better than Angus signature pickup, and because Angus fan usually use only bridge pup. I bet that's the reason. Angus has around that 7.5k in his bridge too so that sig pickup is little hot. Of course player can always use guitar vol to get some dirt off the sound if using 50's wiring.
yeah, that was more my point. His actual guitars USED regularly are very few. Dont see the point of going all Bonamassa on it, that guy has about 100 different signature models which seems silly. An Angus SG is basically a super thin neck and standard pickups? (Played through a Schafer - excuse spelling )@@Dram1984
Thanks for the review. Being in Australia obviously you can’t go a day without hearing AC/DC. I have so much nostalgia for this model, I would stare at it in store just admiring how awesome all the small Angus details were. RIP Warney. Sad day here.
Oh how I pined for this guitar as a young AC/DC obsessed guitar player, of course I never got one & had to "settle" for an Epiphone SG (I actually still love and own it, repaired headstock break and all). It was really sweet to see a proper review and demo of one after all these years though.
@The SNES Man only story I ever heard of that is about the greeny les Paul which was involved in a car accident but you’d have to do something major to break a guitar in its case especially a Gibson case
@The SNES Man Provided you're careful with your guitars there's really not much to worry about. I only broke the headstock on my epi because I was young, inexperienced and a little careless and left it leaning against a chair. I think the head stock break thing has become a bit of an urban legend situation. Yeah, it can happen but not as often/easily as some will make out.
@The SNES Man I bought an 05 Gibson SG Standard a couple of months back - it had seen a lot of action, plenty of chips etc..... but it was in one piece and sounded great. It was shipped to me in the original Gibson hard case......... and arrived with a cracked headstock. So yeah, definitely true - it's just a weakness in the design, doesn't take much to crack them. I spoke with the seller, accepted a large discount, had it professionally repaired, and it's now my favourite guitar by far.
My 5 year old prefer's "Eddie" as in Iron Maiden with AC/DC and "Tallica" following close behind. He loves rockin out, but Slayer and a couple other's put him off for using Naughty words. Lol, good kid. He kind of incites my conscience.
I had a 2013, price was $1899, regretfully sold it. The neck was extremely small, hard for me to appreciate it. The one I owned had zero neck dive, very well balanced, very low action just a great guitar. A collector of Angus SG’s added mine to his collection. Then the pandemic hit…really wish I kept it now.
Even if you have both pickups with the exact same output the neck pickup will always have more output. The strings vibrate much more in the center of their length as compared to the bridge location, as such more string vibration equals higher pickup output.
Not totally true, more volume because of string cycling but not more output. Two very different things. But, a great comment to make us all "think", my friend. Rock on brother🤘
@@mxaxe5591 I totally understand what you are saying, but........ I meant more output in that the AC Voltage produced would be a higher voltage (millivolts) as compared to the same output happening at the same time on the bridge pickup. Yes, we can say both pickup's coils measure the same DC Resistance, but the product (voltage) measured as each pickup at the same time would be greater at the neck as the strings would be vibrating/moving through a greater arc/travel and thus breaking more of the pickup's magnetic field lines, YES?
Yeah man, that kind of bothered me. If he could see it was done wrong why not put it back right? I havent got to the tone demo yet. Will see of it impacts performance. Cant imagine it wouldnt, I generally believe in having the gotter pup in the bridge.
@@saltpeter7429 same here dude, can’t understand why anyone would have a hotter pup in the neck position, especially on a guitar like this where you know Angus always uses the bridge pickup
@@StuartAlderson wont switch em out for the sake of "collector's provenance", but last week while review the Slash #4 package he went so far as to open the vinyl record album? Hhhmmm. This is wierd logic. Even in the Angus SG review he said that his example was not up to "collector's optimum specs". So...switch the pups back to the right position! Lol. I laugh at myself getting all worked up over a youtube show about guitars. Things come out sideways. I better plug in, start riffing, and cure this common social malady. Cheers!
I would take photo's of the pups and electronics to prove the provenance as originally misassembled at the factory and put some notes with those with the case candy for historical purposes, then swap them to their rightful positions ... Excellent QA from Gibson, as usual ... 🙄
An interesting thing to note is that Angus' iconic lightning bolt SG was actually not a 1968 as Gibson claimed it was, but was in reality a 1970-71 SG Standard, largely thought to be his first SG. He used it live through 1978, after which he retired it due to wood rot. It was then rebuilt by Jaydee and fitted with a new neck, which is how it got its bolt inlays. Another interesting fact is that Angus does not even use his signature pickup. Back in the day he used to put T-Tops in just about every SG he got, and to this day his pickups are still wound to that spec.
With how much Angus played shirtless and sweated, I'm amazed his first SG lasted as long as it did. A lot of that rot probably came from exposed wood when they cut out a chamber for the wireless system he was using at the time.
Man.... I love Angus. He's responsible for my love of guitars and the blues. I pined for a real Gibson SG for about 20 years I finally got 1 last year and just paid it off this week felt good.
Same here dude. I wanted one for 20 years as well and finally about 3 weeks ago I ordered my first Gibson SG. It’s the tribute model and I am absolutely in love with it. Angus is the reason I learned to play guitar and the SG was the one I always wanted when I learned to play. Feels great to finally have one.
I own this model and, honestly, it’s probably the best guitar i have ever owned. It’s got a lot of tones and mine doesn’t neck dive. It does AC/ DC, ZZ Top, Zeppelin…it’s a proper rock guitar, but one also gets a great fat clean neck tone. The Vibrola is not exactly useful but, it looks cool as hell. If you can get one, buy it
AC/DC is what got me into playing guitar when I was a kid, and I always wanted an SG because of that. I’m a big guy though so they look like I’m playing a ukulele when I hold one. I’d still like to have an SG faded in worn cherry though.
Of course if want a really special Angus model you can get JayDee customs. Angus used a JayDee at Donnington in 1980, story goes John Diggings, who had been repairing Angus’ guitars for a while, took the guitar to see what Angus thought and was shocked that after a couple of strums he popped a strap on and played the whole show on it.
Thank you for doing this. I am an AC/DC nut, and I love SG's. This was very special to me to watch this. That finish in the sun just blew me away and all cleaned up, just shined just like Angus's playing. Truly amazing.
From the "ANGUS" tailpiece to the "Devil School Boy" headstock, that guitar is way cool...lol Howzbout a body thickness measurement of the featured guitar? I'm curious if there's any variances between years and era's of manufacturing...
Totes forgot about the tease from last night until seeing the post in my feed and Seeing the thumbnail. Gotta love an angus SE. also nice of you to help out the family through the hard time. I love SE’s always wanted one as a teenager but not as much now haha but I still enjoy them.
from what I nderstand, the only difference in the Angus Gibson pup is that it uses an alnico5 magnet whereas the 57's use alnico 2. I did install one in my 1999 SG just because, it still sounds killer, We all know that Angus uses custom duncans.
Yeah, but his custom Duncans are basically just T-Tops. Also an Alnico 5 magnet and wound to roughly 7.7k-7.8k Ohms. He's basically trying to mimic the sound of his first SG, which he no longer tours with.
Let me say you do a expert job evaluating these Gibson guitars. I've seen none better buddy. Thank you from an old school les Paul player from 1976 who's 67 years old
Angus, Iommi and Zappa, the holy Trinity of SG palyers. Oh and Brittany Howard from Alabama shakes and Jake Kiszka from Greta Van Fleet are modern SG masters.
Angus and Tony Iommi have both used the SG as their main guitar throughout their career's but Frank Zappa and Pete Townsend used them quite a bit as well. Carlos Santana used them for year's until he switched to Paul Reed Smith guitar's. This Angus model is pretty cool but I personally like the standard bridge over the vibrola model's.
All great examples of iconic SG players in this thread. I'd add Rosetta Thorpe to this list as well, perhaps lesser known than your examples but she was one hell of a guitar player and certainly drew a crowd in her day. I love SGs and all the great musicians that rock em ✌️
Sounded sweet in the middle position. I’d would just leave it as is.. just roll back the rhythm vol. a bit if the neck pickup is too loud. 57 classics are a good choice in these at the bridge position. Sound great overdriven, equally as good with the clean tones. I don’t mind a slightly hotter pickup in the bridge position.. lots of tonal possibilities.
That was my first guitar, my parents were quite wealthy and decided to buy it to me when i wanted to start guitar because i was a huge Angus young fan and he was pretty much the reason i started guitar. I traded it after year because my guitar teacher said i should use something lighter, so i stayed on SG but with a white one that was much lighter, cause well i was only 9yo ) without any idea of the actual collector value so i sold it a bit under the retail price, now damn i completly regret it
Please tell me your Guitar Instructor did not buy it from you............ See if you can track down your original SG and try to buy it back! I was 15 years old when I purchased my first Gibson, a 1977 Les Paul Deluxe. I worked 3 jobs to save up the money for it. Like yourself I sold my first Gibson a few years later in 1979. By 1989 I started regretting the sale and started actively searching for it. Not a happy ending, its been over 31 years I've been looking for that Les Paul and still have not located it! I'm still looking...................
I found a rare or perhaps a factory mistake same model 2008 Gibson SGAY. The headstock does not have the Angus devil child character it has the ‘Crown’ inlay. I have not received the guitar yet but I have called Gibson and they confirmed it is a true Angus Young model and he couldn’t tell me why it got the Crown inlay instead of the cartoon. I did find out the guitar was ordered for Japan dealer Ikebe Revole Akihabara. Idk 🤷♂️ will be looking into further and felt it was worth the mention to you & maybe you have seen or heard of SG AY model 2001-2009 tremelo model before? You mentioned in this video some may not want the cartoon… it appears they made at least one. 🤘
Honestly I've got nothing against Slash (he is an incredible guitar player), but holy hell Gibson need to stop producing Slash models and start focusing on other artists signature models. Like bring back the Angus sig or bring back the Ace Frehley sig etc, or start producing sig models for artists that haven't gotten one yet like Steve Clark of Def Leppard. I just don't understand why Gibson keep on pumping out Slash models when Angus has influenced more than double the amount then Slash has. Anyways that's my rant/opinion.
i have a 1998 sg standard which is the same as that one except for the pickups which are 490t and 491r i bought it for 699.00 is the difference in price worth just because of the pickups
The one SG I'd pick if I had to. Not a Supreme, not a Special like is my M.O. on Les Pauls. Nah, I'd own the Angus Young. Fucking phenomenal guitar. Greetings and well wishes from Utah!
I always liked the first vibrola model the most, although I think the devil schoolboy sketch is a bit cheesy personally. But this is def a fantastic example. The later USA Angus model with the lightning bolts is the strangest thing. We can't really consider it a 61 style because it has basically all late 60s specs - long joint at the 19th fret, thick chisel like horns, shallow bevels... and the NARROW 1 9/16th inch nut! And what they do? They slap a small guard on it... it makes no sense. I get they were trying to do a tribute to his OTHER SG, the black small guard one, but that's a completely different spec guitar - that one should have the standard 1 11/16th width nut, higher 22nd fret joint, small heel, etc. - It's a 63. What they get is a weird frankestein that comes short at both. I get they are cool guitars and many people like them, but I still find it very weird. They could have just have put the big guard on it and it would be a great USA version of the bolts guitar. Sorry for the rant 😅🤣
The devil schoolboy sketch is what angus uses along with his signature for autographs. Or at least he did for a very long time. The first time he showed it publicly was in the 1980 movie Let There Be Rock, as they sped up the film while he was drawing the image himself.
I love les pauls i own a couple slash models and les pauls were all would play until i seen ac/dc live and seen angus play his sg ive never heard anything like it before live since then ive been wanting get my hands on one of these
Hey Trogly, any chance you could document a Malcolm Young Signature Gretsch? Would be cool to review the Filtertron pickups! I have the G6131MY 2006 model with 2x pickups and it is a beast!
I'm not really sure how Gibson came up with an Angus Young signature pickup. According to an interview with Angus's guitar tech by Premier Guitar, he just uses the stock pickups that come in SG Standards. He isn't one to be swapping or modifying the pickups. Also that same guitar tech said he likes his pickup output to be around 7.8k ohms or so. Over 8k wouldn't be what he prefers. But this guitar was made over a decade before that interview came out. Maybe they didn't know all those details yet. You would think Gibson would be getting as much info from Angus first as they possibly could.
I absolutely love this guitar! What a great demo! My only complaint is that your blackout mat needs a lint roller treatment before filming. Somehow I was focused on the white lint instead of the guitar. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I had one of these but it had serious tuning problems. I put it in for a service and setup but it didn't fix the problem so I sold it to a guy who didn't play but wanted it to add to his AC/DC collection.
Trogly, 50 year player and a big fan, and shared your videos with quite a few of my guitar playing buddies. I am so disappointed that you didn’t hook the pickups up correctly. This guitar has not seen its full potential, and you would have been the master, had you taken the time to make it right. Leaving it the way it came from the factory messed up was not an option in my opinion. Not yelling at you, we’re on the same team. my insides were screaming “make it right!“ I just don’t understand. I fan from Oregon Tim
I wouldn’t be surprised if the pickups or one of the pickups were swapped. The Angus Young sig pickup usually was somewhere between 9-10k in resistance
I would agree if the soldering didn’t look so original. The Angus Young pickup is apparently just a 57 Classic plus with an A5 magnet instead of A2. So a factory error does make sense as they forgot the Angus pickup no longer had a PAF style baseplate.
@@markn4526 pretty much apart from the 42 AWG wire being used. I have 2 videos comparing the Seymour Duncan 7.5k 59 vs Dimarzio 14.5k Super Distortion and they are close to identical.
@@Richtone85 Tone-wise or output-wise? 7k is quite a difference, but that measurement only tells part of the story when it come to pickups. I would think the Super distortion is more mid-heavy. On another, but related note...I thought the Angus Young pickup is more like 8k which would concur with what his guitar tech told someone in an interview a while ago. Also, if the only difference between a '57 Classic and the AY is the A5 vs. the A2 magnet, it would make sense because the A5 is only slightly more powerful than an A2..."57 Classic = 7.5k and an AY = about 8k.
@@markn4526 Both. There are 2 demos on my channel comparing them. Basically there is 17% more resistance each wire gauge you go up. So that’s why a 14k pickup with 44 AWG is very close to an 8k PAF with 42 AWG, plus other factors like more winds with the thinner wire.
Wow, I have a 2008 and I don't think it was a freak of an example...my pickups were swapped from factory as well! I noticed when I performed a DCR check and ??? lol. I have heard of others. Great review. (I switched my pickups)
Couldn't you just switch the pickup's location? I suppose the knobs and switch would be backwards, but still better than the way its currently setup (IMHO).
@@javakian45 Swap the knobs or the pots? You could swap the pickup's positions but then the controls would be reverse from normal, not to mention the pickup selector would be reversed. It seems strange that it could make it out of the factory like that.
@@hkguitar1984 what I was saying was swap both the pots and the pickups so that everything could be in the proper position. Obviously you'd need the wiring to be long enough and I doubt that it is. So inevitably you'd need to de solder than move everything around and than resolder.
@@javakian45 That would be pretty difficult to do. The wires leading to the output jack and selector switch won't give you any wiggle room. The easiest way would be to unsolder the pickups, however that would make the guitar unorigonal when inspecting the pot solder joints. I believe a skilled technician could actually do a very careful job of correcting the problem without the work being obvious. But you would need a skilled person to perform the work. I've been replacing pickups in guitars since the late 1970s and have worked as an Electronics Tech in the Air Force, knowing what I know I would personally have difficulty correcting the problem without obvious signs that someone had been in there working on it. The correct fix would be to simple fix the wiring and not worry about originality of the factory solder joints/connections.
@@javakian45 OK, sorry for my misunderstanding. Actually, if keeping the pots were that important to the owner I'm sure Gibson would fix them. They would most likely charge a fee, however with something like a guitar it can be cherished enough that the cost is less of a concern. Surprisingly, I've been getting quotes to have my LP Custom refretted and the Gibson Restoration and Repair Shop's prices are very competitive with other Master Luthier Shops.
Anyone know what wiring scheme Angus uses? Read somewhere he rolls back the volume a bit for rhythm parts, so I wonder how he keeps the tone sounding that good and crunchy. Cheers!!
Good day master Torgly! My 17 year old daughter bought the Glarry Burning Fire because of your video for her first guitar.. and LOVES it! The only issue we have is that we would love to upgrade the tuners on it. I can not expect it to have the best tuners for $99... and it does not stay in tune longer than the attention span of a 5 year old in a toy store. Since you have held the guitar and reviewed it.. What tuners do you suggest would be a good replacement? Is there ones that would just plug and play without having to drill new holes? You may not know... but if anyone would... it would be you!
I’d love to see a black Epiphone Angus SG 2 pickup Custom with the white batwing pick guard, and maybe a lightning bolt in place of the custom diamond on the headstock, and maybe the something on the truss rod cover.
Cool guitar and informative review! You just know there's something special in there right when you lift open the case! I think Gibson had one of their peaks in the late-1990's thru early-2000's. If I were keeping the guitar, I would be very tempted to swap the pickups around. Also, since you seem super knowledgeable about guitars...I notice this guitar has the brown, ceramic tone caps. Probably because it's from 2001 and it has '57 Classic-type pickups. Do you know if it would make much of a difference using Gibson's "bumblebee"-style caps with '57 Classics? I ask because I'm considering swapping out the Custombuckers in my 2021 R9 for '57 Classics and that guitar has "bumblebee" tone caps. Same rating, just a different type. I have 3 guitars with '57 Classics (I'm a big fan of them) and they all have the ceramic tone caps. Thanks!
Funny thing is, Angus uses all stock SGs. So saying the guitar has Angus Young signature pickups is nonsense. And Angus hasn’t actually used any of these signature models.
My 1st guitar was 1 of these from 08. Much darker cherry color, looks almost black in most lighting. Incredible guitar, even after 16 year old me had to glue the horn back together after it got in to a fight with a strat. Lol.
Sorry in advance if this question has been answered, but whatever happened to the proposed studio in the home basketball court? Love your videos and appreciate all that you do!
Are these just artist/signature models or are they based on a RI? My forest fire ‘68 SG standard has the triple pup route stock unlike this example. Angus’s first SG had a volute but his second was like mine, regardless of the model they based this on, post Norlin they were still doing triple routes so I’m curious!
The narrower nut width is based on his favourite 69 (or close to) SG that he uses on every record. He likes those era guitars for his small hands. It’s the main difference between all his Signature models and normal SG’s.
@@Richtone85 definitely, I’ve seen many interviews where he mentions this. mine barely passes as a toothpick lol, suprised that more haven’t had a heel/headstock break. I’ve dodged that bullet so far but still crossing my fingers everyday haha
@@Richtone85 His favorite is actually a 1970-71, which was his first SG that was most likely the one rebuilt by Jaydee that became the lightning bolt SG. He originally retired it in 1978 due to wood rot, then it got the new neck with the bolt inlays we all know and love.
I have one of these. And I consider it of my price possessions. It really surprised me to realize that mine didn’t came with the case shroud. Abs it’s actually a darker brown
Interesting. I wasn't aware that this signature guitar existed. I'm with the others who agree on leaving the pickups as is. PAF probably is closer to the orig pickup used on High Voltage and the other recordings Angus made with the orig vibrola SG. At least that's the sound I associate with a guitar like the one in this vid.
You talk about a few dings that’s the best used SG I’ve seen in a while every guy I know that uses SGs are beat to hell .Our guitarist and his girlfriend got into a argument at a club on new years she grabbed one of his SGs and launched it about 15ft across the stage wile we were on break and he picked it up to see what was broke. It had a scratch on the back and the G string was out of tune I wouldn’t have believed him but I was on stage watching him tune it .
This was an awesome review of an awesome guitar and you did it complete justice. I am in Australia and own a 2005 in EXCELLENT condition along with the same case as featured here and as it was sold in. Anyone interested? Purchased in the same year (2005) for $3K AUD and I'll sell it for $20K AUD ... that is to say ... no you may not rip it from my cold dead hands as I enter the giant bunsen burner with it at the end of my days and head down the Highway :) BTW - I don't know if it's a lighting issue or just how I'm seeing it but those Key tuners do not look like the originals (they look too white) unless the 2001 is perhaps different to the 2005? The originals are Gibson Deluxe Green and never changed by this sole 2005 owner here ... just saying is all because it seemed to be the one and only small part within the whole video you did not spend any time on.
The Angus Signature pickup sounds quite good - I can only imagine what it would sound like in the correct position!
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It sounds amazing. I have a regular Gibson SG Special with Angus Young’s signature pickup in the bridge and a 57 classic (possibly) in the neck. Angus Young’s pickup sounds amazing in the correct position.
I think that the owner swapped the pickups and dinged the top. The wires are too long there
I think someone swap the neck pickup to bridge because 57 classic sounds better than Angus signature pickup, and because Angus fan usually use only bridge pup. I bet that's the reason. Angus has around that 7.5k in his bridge too so that sig pickup is little hot. Of course player can always use guitar vol to get some dirt off the sound if using 50's wiring.
You should change the position, it makes more sense, I mean you will have to just unscrew them, no wiring.
asking for the moon 2500 bucks would be fair gotta stop scalping the market man !
I’d love for them to do a whole series of SGs ala Slash. Angus deserves it :p
I thought Angus really only ever had 2 SGs? Watch Rig Rundown
@@jameshansing5396 he has owned and played way more than 2 SGs. He’s had a couple of favorites that have stayed with him but he’s used a ton.
yeah, that was more my point. His actual guitars USED regularly are very few. Dont see the point of going all Bonamassa on it, that guy has about 100 different signature models which seems silly. An Angus SG is basically a super thin neck and standard pickups? (Played through a Schafer - excuse spelling )@@Dram1984
Thanks for the review. Being in Australia obviously you can’t go a day without hearing AC/DC. I have so much nostalgia for this model, I would stare at it in store just admiring how awesome all the small Angus details were. RIP Warney. Sad day here.
And Rod Marsh passed away as well
Devil music! Just kidding😬🎶🎵👍
The vaccine got him.
Oh how I pined for this guitar as a young AC/DC obsessed guitar player, of course I never got one & had to "settle" for an Epiphone SG (I actually still love and own it, repaired headstock break and all). It was really sweet to see a proper review and demo of one after all these years though.
@The SNES Man get a case be careful it gives better tone to the wood anyway
@The SNES Man only story I ever heard of that is about the greeny les Paul which was involved in a car accident but you’d have to do something major to break a guitar in its case especially a Gibson case
@The SNES Man Provided you're careful with your guitars there's really not much to worry about. I only broke the headstock on my epi because I was young, inexperienced and a little careless and left it leaning against a chair. I think the head stock break thing has become a bit of an urban legend situation. Yeah, it can happen but not as often/easily as some will make out.
@The SNES Man I bought an 05 Gibson SG Standard a couple of months back - it had seen a lot of action, plenty of chips etc..... but it was in one piece and sounded great. It was shipped to me in the original Gibson hard case......... and arrived with a cracked headstock. So yeah, definitely true - it's just a weakness in the design, doesn't take much to crack them. I spoke with the seller, accepted a large discount, had it professionally repaired, and it's now my favourite guitar by far.
@@Goofy_The_Scot Wow, that sucks. Glad you got some money back and got it fixed though. I would have been beyond pissed off.
Speaking of ACDC it would be cool to see Trogly document one of the Cliff Williams Stingray basses. Thoes were extremely limited with only 26 made.
My 3 year old is really into AC/DC, Udo era Accept, Motorhead, and Metallica right now so growly singer only for him. That's a nice axe.
My 5 year old prefer's "Eddie" as in Iron Maiden with AC/DC and "Tallica" following close behind. He loves rockin out, but Slayer and a couple other's put him off for using Naughty words. Lol, good kid. He kind of incites my conscience.
I’ve just recently picked up an Ebony Thunderstruck model & I absolutely love it! It’s in amazing condition too 🤟⚡️
I had a 2013, price was $1899, regretfully sold it. The neck was extremely small, hard for me to appreciate it. The one I owned had zero neck dive, very well balanced, very low action just a great guitar. A collector of Angus SG’s added mine to his collection. Then the pandemic hit…really wish I kept it now.
Even if you have both pickups with the exact same output the neck pickup will always have more output.
The strings vibrate much more in the center of their length as compared to the bridge location, as such more string vibration equals higher pickup output.
Not totally true, more volume because of string cycling but not more output. Two very different things. But, a great comment to make us all "think", my friend. Rock on brother🤘
@@mxaxe5591 I totally understand what you are saying, but........
I meant more output in that the AC Voltage produced would be a higher voltage (millivolts) as compared to the same output happening at the same time on the bridge pickup. Yes, we can say both pickup's coils measure the same DC Resistance, but the product (voltage) measured as each pickup at the same time would be greater at the neck as the strings would be vibrating/moving through a greater arc/travel and thus breaking more of the pickup's magnetic field lines, YES?
Usually the bridge pup is hotter to compensate...🎸🤘🎸
For me if that is the way it’s come from the factory, I’d be setting the pickups up the way it should’ve come stock with the AY pickup in the bridge
Yeah man, that kind of bothered me. If he could see it was done wrong why not put it back right? I havent got to the tone demo yet. Will see of it impacts performance. Cant imagine it wouldnt, I generally believe in having the gotter pup in the bridge.
@@saltpeter7429 same here dude, can’t understand why anyone would have a hotter pup in the neck position, especially on a guitar like this where you know Angus always uses the bridge pickup
@@StuartAlderson wont switch em out for the sake of "collector's provenance", but last week while review the Slash #4 package he went so far as to open the vinyl record album? Hhhmmm. This is wierd logic. Even in the Angus SG review he said that his example was not up to "collector's optimum specs". So...switch the pups back to the right position! Lol. I laugh at myself getting all worked up over a youtube show about guitars. Things come out sideways. I better plug in, start riffing, and cure this common social malady. Cheers!
I would take photo's of the pups and electronics to prove the provenance as originally misassembled at the factory and put some notes with those with the case candy for historical purposes, then swap them to their rightful positions ...
Excellent QA from Gibson, as usual ... 🙄
An interesting thing to note is that Angus' iconic lightning bolt SG was actually not a 1968 as Gibson claimed it was, but was in reality a 1970-71 SG Standard, largely thought to be his first SG. He used it live through 1978, after which he retired it due to wood rot. It was then rebuilt by Jaydee and fitted with a new neck, which is how it got its bolt inlays.
Another interesting fact is that Angus does not even use his signature pickup. Back in the day he used to put T-Tops in just about every SG he got, and to this day his pickups are still wound to that spec.
With how much Angus played shirtless and sweated, I'm amazed his first SG lasted as long as it did. A lot of that rot probably came from exposed wood when they cut out a chamber for the wireless system he was using at the time.
I noticed on some the inlays are 2 piece, and others 1 piece.
I’ve heard talk that his first SG is also a factory second. Any truth to that?
@@pandaman1968 Hit the nail on the head.
@@reno145 I thought it was Mal who had a factory second guitar..
Man.... I love Angus. He's responsible for my love of guitars and the blues. I pined for a real Gibson SG for about 20 years I finally got 1 last year and just paid it off this week felt good.
Same here dude. I wanted one for 20 years as well and finally about 3 weeks ago I ordered my first Gibson SG. It’s the tribute model and I am absolutely in love with it. Angus is the reason I learned to play guitar and the SG was the one I always wanted when I learned to play. Feels great to finally have one.
I own this model and, honestly, it’s probably the best guitar i have ever owned. It’s got a lot of tones and mine doesn’t neck dive. It does AC/ DC, ZZ Top, Zeppelin…it’s a proper rock guitar, but one also gets a great fat clean neck tone. The Vibrola is not exactly useful but, it looks cool as hell. If you can get one, buy it
What's agood price for one in decent shape?
@@973C8 I paid $1600 Australian in 2012... mine is pretty clean, but I really don't know about current prices.
AC/DC is what got me into playing guitar when I was a kid, and I always wanted an SG because of that. I’m a big guy though so they look like I’m playing a ukulele when I hold one. I’d still like to have an SG faded in worn cherry though.
Of course if want a really special Angus model you can get JayDee customs. Angus used a JayDee at Donnington in 1980, story goes John Diggings, who had been repairing Angus’ guitars for a while, took the guitar to see what Angus thought and was shocked that after a couple of strums he popped a strap on and played the whole show on it.
Thank you for doing this. I am an AC/DC nut, and I love SG's. This was very special to me to watch this. That finish in the sun just blew me away and all cleaned up, just shined just like Angus's playing. Truly amazing.
From the "ANGUS" tailpiece to the "Devil School Boy" headstock, that guitar is way cool...lol
Howzbout a body thickness measurement of the featured guitar?
I'm curious if there's any variances between years and era's of manufacturing...
You would think an Angus signature would be a standard offering. I can't imagine any artist has sold more SGs over several generations
Totes forgot about the tease from last night until seeing the post in my feed and Seeing the thumbnail. Gotta love an angus SE. also nice of you to help out the family through the hard time. I love SE’s always wanted one as a teenager but not as much now haha but I still enjoy them.
Angus drew that Cartoon on a napkin on Let there be Rock Tour you can see that in the Let there be Rock movie.
Same technique auto painters use for Paint Correction with getting rid of swirls, works the same way on a guitar. Just need a good compound.
Don't understand why they put a vibrola on an Angus Young model. I have never seen or heard him use a whammy bar.
from what I nderstand, the only difference in the Angus Gibson pup is that it uses an alnico5 magnet whereas the 57's use alnico 2. I did install one in my 1999 SG just because, it still sounds killer, We all know that Angus uses custom duncans.
Yeah, but his custom Duncans are basically just T-Tops. Also an Alnico 5 magnet and wound to roughly 7.7k-7.8k Ohms. He's basically trying to mimic the sound of his first SG, which he no longer tours with.
Let me say you do a expert job evaluating these Gibson guitars. I've seen none better buddy. Thank you from an old school les Paul player from 1976 who's 67 years old
Being a huge Angus fan it was fantastic to see this guitar in the flesh. Thx for your amazing work 🙏🏻
I would just switch the pickups without removing the soldering. The switch would be assbackwards, but hey, the tone is the main thing, isn’t it?
Why didn't you switch the pickups to their correct position as long as you had it apart?
I LOVE that guitar!!!!! So classy with just enough bling. Angus IS the SG!!! There is no better ambassador for the model in history. Great show!!!!🤘🎸
i would have to say tony iommi is on his level but of course they cannot be compared🔥
@@ryanpetrak I was gonna say the same lol when I think of SG I think of Iommi. He's been on it since at least 69'. Frank Zappa is another one.
Angus, Iommi and Zappa, the holy Trinity of SG palyers. Oh and Brittany Howard from Alabama shakes and Jake Kiszka from Greta Van Fleet are modern SG masters.
Angus and Tony Iommi have both used the SG as their main guitar throughout their career's but Frank Zappa and Pete Townsend used them quite a bit as well. Carlos Santana used them for year's until he switched to Paul Reed Smith guitar's. This Angus model is pretty cool but I personally like the standard bridge over the vibrola model's.
All great examples of iconic SG players in this thread. I'd add Rosetta Thorpe to this list as well, perhaps lesser known than your examples but she was one hell of a guitar player and certainly drew a crowd in her day. I love SGs and all the great musicians that rock em ✌️
Sounded sweet in the middle position. I’d would just leave it as is.. just roll back the rhythm vol. a bit if the neck pickup is too loud. 57 classics are a good choice in these at the bridge position. Sound great overdriven, equally as good with the clean tones. I don’t mind a slightly hotter pickup in the bridge position.. lots of tonal possibilities.
you should try to get a Frank Zappa Roxy SG
You really should do a video detailing how you clean these guys up!
That was my first guitar, my parents were quite wealthy and decided to buy it to me when i wanted to start guitar because i was a huge Angus young fan and he was pretty much the reason i started guitar.
I traded it after year because my guitar teacher said i should use something lighter, so i stayed on SG but with a white one that was much lighter, cause well i was only 9yo ) without any idea of the actual collector value so i sold it a bit under the retail price, now damn i completly regret it
Please tell me your Guitar Instructor did not buy it from you............
See if you can track down your original SG and try to buy it back!
I was 15 years old when I purchased my first Gibson, a 1977 Les Paul Deluxe. I worked 3 jobs to save up the money for it.
Like yourself I sold my first Gibson a few years later in 1979. By 1989 I started regretting the sale and started actively searching for it.
Not a happy ending, its been over 31 years I've been looking for that Les Paul and still have not located it!
I'm still looking...................
@@hkguitar1984 Hope you find it, good hunting!🎸🎸🎸🤘
You should've traded your guitar Teacher instead.
Nothing like paying your dues huh?
I own this exact guitar. The neck and the 57 Pickups make it amazing.
Cool Angus model!
I found a rare or perhaps a factory mistake same model 2008 Gibson SGAY. The headstock does not have the Angus devil child character it has the ‘Crown’ inlay. I have not received the guitar yet but I have called Gibson and they confirmed it is a true Angus Young model and he couldn’t tell me why it got the Crown inlay instead of the cartoon. I did find out the guitar was ordered for Japan dealer Ikebe Revole Akihabara. Idk 🤷♂️ will be looking into further and felt it was worth the mention to you & maybe you have seen or heard of SG AY model 2001-2009 tremelo model before? You mentioned in this video some may not want the cartoon… it appears they made at least one. 🤘
Honestly I've got nothing against Slash (he is an incredible guitar player), but holy hell Gibson need to stop producing Slash models and start focusing on other artists signature models. Like bring back the Angus sig or bring back the Ace Frehley sig etc, or start producing sig models for artists that haven't gotten one yet like Steve Clark of Def Leppard. I just don't understand why Gibson keep on pumping out Slash models when Angus has influenced more than double the amount then Slash has.
Anyways that's my rant/opinion.
i have a 1998 sg standard which is the same as that one except for the pickups which are 490t and 491r i bought it for 699.00 is the difference in price worth just because of the pickups
The SG with the thunderbold inlays is my dream guitar. My plan is to buy a 2022 SG Standard this year.
Got to flip those pups.. it's the way it needs to be.. you can still order the SD Angus from the custom shop if you want..
The Rick Steves of Gibson. I could see Trogly with his own PBS show
Rick Steves🤣 Kinda look alike!
The one SG I'd pick if I had to. Not a Supreme, not a Special like is my M.O. on Les Pauls. Nah, I'd own the Angus Young. Fucking phenomenal guitar.
Greetings and well wishes from Utah!
Mine has a bunch of fine scratches what do you usually use for polishing products??
What a cool SG but I'll take the stop tail thanks for all you do I love my daily dose of guitar information 😊
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Good evening RONDO BONDO. Great to see you.
Happy Friday RONDO
This one as my dream guitar growing up and I finally got one last year! It’s awesome!
Happy Friday
That’s awesome. Angus is the reason I got an SG. Been a fan since the late 70s.
Trogly's in the HOUSE!!!
Greg is in the house!
Happy Friday Greg
Finally the ACDC riffs Trogly plays are on the right guitar!
@@ManOrWomanIDK True
I always liked the first vibrola model the most, although I think the devil schoolboy sketch is a bit cheesy personally.
But this is def a fantastic example.
The later USA Angus model with the lightning bolts is the strangest thing. We can't really consider it a 61 style because it has basically all late 60s specs - long joint at the 19th fret, thick chisel like horns, shallow bevels... and the NARROW 1 9/16th inch nut! And what they do? They slap a small guard on it... it makes no sense.
I get they were trying to do a tribute to his OTHER SG, the black small guard one, but that's a completely different spec guitar - that one should have the standard 1 11/16th width nut, higher 22nd fret joint, small heel, etc. - It's a 63.
What they get is a weird frankestein that comes short at both.
I get they are cool guitars and many people like them, but I still find it very weird. They could have just have put the big guard on it and it would be a great USA version of the bolts guitar.
Sorry for the rant 😅🤣
I have the 2013 with small pg but I changed to a batwing. Looks much better.
The devil schoolboy sketch is what angus uses along with his signature for autographs. Or at least he did for a very long time.
The first time he showed it publicly was in the 1980 movie Let There Be Rock, as they sped up the film while he was drawing the image himself.
Beautiful guitar...and that fretboard!!!!
Finally some more SG’s
Great review and really in depth. If it was me I’d swap those pick ups.
You"ve got to complete the set and review the Malcolm young Signature.
I love les pauls i own a couple slash models and les pauls were all would play until i seen ac/dc live and seen angus play his sg ive never heard anything like it before live since then ive been wanting get my hands on one of these
Hey Trogly, any chance you could document a Malcolm Young Signature Gretsch? Would be cool to review the Filtertron pickups! I have the G6131MY 2006 model with 2x pickups and it is a beast!
I'm not really sure how Gibson came up with an Angus Young signature pickup. According to an interview with Angus's guitar tech by Premier Guitar, he just uses the stock pickups that come in SG Standards. He isn't one to be swapping or modifying the pickups. Also that same guitar tech said he likes his pickup output to be around 7.8k ohms or so. Over 8k wouldn't be what he prefers. But this guitar was made over a decade before that interview came out. Maybe they didn't know all those details yet. You would think Gibson would be getting as much info from Angus first as they possibly could.
I absolutely love this guitar! What a great demo! My only complaint is that your blackout mat needs a lint roller treatment before filming. Somehow I was focused on the white lint instead of the guitar. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I want that case shroud. Have an 06 was wondering why it didn't come with it. Now I know. Thank you
you should of switched around the pickups on the pickgaurd. Is the case interior charcoal?
The nut width is consistent with the change Gibson made in 1965 from 1 and 11/16ths" to 1 and 9/16ths".
I had one of these but it had serious tuning problems. I put it in for a service and setup but it didn't fix the problem so I sold it to a guy who didn't play but wanted it to add to his AC/DC collection.
Trogly,
50 year player and a big fan, and shared your videos with quite a few of my guitar playing buddies. I am so disappointed that you didn’t hook the pickups up correctly. This guitar has not seen its full potential, and you would have been the master, had you taken the time to make it right. Leaving it the way it came from the factory messed up was not an option in my opinion. Not yelling at you, we’re on the same team. my insides were screaming “make it right!“ I just don’t understand. I fan from Oregon
Tim
Wow! Great episode
I wouldn’t be surprised if the pickups or one of the pickups were swapped. The Angus Young sig pickup usually was somewhere between 9-10k in resistance
I would agree if the soldering didn’t look so original. The Angus Young pickup is apparently just a 57 Classic plus with an A5 magnet instead of A2. So a factory error does make sense as they forgot the Angus pickup no longer had a PAF style baseplate.
@@Richtone85 If the magnet type is the only difference from a '57 Classic...then the Angus Young pickup is very similar to the 498T pickup.
@@markn4526 pretty much apart from the 42 AWG wire being used. I have 2 videos comparing the Seymour Duncan 7.5k 59 vs Dimarzio 14.5k Super Distortion and they are close to identical.
@@Richtone85 Tone-wise or output-wise? 7k is quite a difference, but that measurement only tells part of the story when it come to pickups. I would think the Super distortion is more mid-heavy.
On another, but related note...I thought the Angus Young pickup is more like 8k which would concur with what his guitar tech told someone in an interview a while ago. Also, if the only difference between a '57 Classic and the AY is the A5 vs. the A2 magnet, it would make sense because the A5 is only slightly more powerful than an A2..."57 Classic = 7.5k and an AY = about 8k.
@@markn4526 Both. There are 2 demos on my channel comparing them. Basically there is 17% more resistance each wire gauge you go up. So that’s why a 14k pickup with 44 AWG is very close to an 8k PAF with 42 AWG, plus other factors like more winds with the thinner wire.
Awesome guitar! Would love to have this one! Good find Trogly!
Wow, I have a 2008 and I don't think it was a freak of an example...my pickups were swapped from factory as well! I noticed when I performed a DCR check and ??? lol. I have heard of others. Great review. (I switched my pickups)
Would love to have a back in black sg
Couldn't you just switch the pickup's location?
I suppose the knobs and switch would be backwards, but still better than the way its currently setup (IMHO).
If the wires are long enough you could swap the positions of the pickups and swap the position of the knobs without needing to resolder anything.
@@javakian45 Swap the knobs or the pots?
You could swap the pickup's positions but then the controls would be reverse from normal, not to mention the pickup selector would be reversed. It seems strange that it could make it out of the factory like that.
@@hkguitar1984 what I was saying was swap both the pots and the pickups so that everything could be in the proper position. Obviously you'd need the wiring to be long enough and I doubt that it is. So inevitably you'd need to de solder than move everything around and than resolder.
@@javakian45 That would be pretty difficult to do. The wires leading to the output jack and selector switch won't give you any wiggle room. The easiest way would be to unsolder the pickups, however that would make the guitar unorigonal when inspecting the pot solder joints. I believe a skilled technician could actually do a very careful job of correcting the problem without the work being obvious. But you would need a skilled person to perform the work.
I've been replacing pickups in guitars since the late 1970s and have worked as an Electronics Tech in the Air Force, knowing what I know I would personally have difficulty correcting the problem without obvious signs that someone had been in there working on it.
The correct fix would be to simple fix the wiring and not worry about originality of the factory solder joints/connections.
@@javakian45 OK, sorry for my misunderstanding. Actually, if keeping the pots were that important to the owner I'm sure Gibson would fix them. They would most likely charge a fee, however with something like a guitar it can be cherished enough that the cost is less of a concern.
Surprisingly, I've been getting quotes to have my LP Custom refretted and the Gibson Restoration and Repair Shop's prices are very competitive with other Master Luthier Shops.
Anyone know what wiring scheme Angus uses? Read somewhere he rolls back the volume a bit for rhythm parts, so I wonder how he keeps the tone sounding that good and crunchy. Cheers!!
Good day master Torgly! My 17 year old daughter bought the Glarry Burning Fire because of your video for her first guitar.. and LOVES it! The only issue we have is that we would love to upgrade the tuners on it. I can not expect it to have the best tuners for $99... and it does not stay in tune longer than the attention span of a 5 year old in a toy store. Since you have held the guitar and reviewed it.. What tuners do you suggest would be a good replacement? Is there ones that would just plug and play without having to drill new holes? You may not know... but if anyone would... it would be you!
I’d love to see a black Epiphone Angus SG 2 pickup Custom with the white batwing pick guard, and maybe a lightning bolt in place of the custom diamond on the headstock, and maybe the something on the truss rod cover.
Cool guitar and informative review! You just know there's something special in there right when you lift open the case! I think Gibson had one of their peaks in the late-1990's thru early-2000's. If I were keeping the guitar, I would be very tempted to swap the pickups around.
Also, since you seem super knowledgeable about guitars...I notice this guitar has the brown, ceramic tone caps. Probably because it's from 2001 and it has '57 Classic-type pickups. Do you know if it would make much of a difference using Gibson's "bumblebee"-style caps with '57 Classics? I ask because I'm considering swapping out the Custombuckers in my 2021 R9 for '57 Classics and that guitar has "bumblebee" tone caps. Same rating, just a different type. I have 3 guitars with '57 Classics (I'm a big fan of them) and they all have the ceramic tone caps. Thanks!
Another close call.
Very Close indeed
Been up since 2:30am, this episode made me happy
WOW, time for a nap Mike. Its Friday, try and take it easy the next couple of days.
I love that SG it’s my favorite guitar
here we go, gimmie that info trogly!
AC/DC for ever ❤️ great review thank you!
Can you get the black version review please! 🙏
Funny thing is, Angus uses all stock SGs.
So saying the guitar has Angus Young signature pickups is nonsense.
And Angus hasn’t actually used any of these signature models.
Not quite stock; basically all of them either have T-Tops or Duncans wound to the same spec. Otherwise they are indeed mostly stock.
Is it possible that someone rotated the pickups switch and Pots around on the pickguard without unsoldering ?
My 1st guitar was 1 of these from 08. Much darker cherry color, looks almost black in most lighting. Incredible guitar, even after 16 year old me had to glue the horn back together after it got in to a fight with a strat. Lol.
quite an interesting channel you have.... and loved the end playing clip ...
If they do another run of AnguSG guitars, I'll happily give them my money
I hope any future ones will have the lightning bolts again.
Bravo! That was your best playing to date!! Great review....
Sorry in advance if this question has been answered, but whatever happened to the proposed studio in the home basketball court? Love your videos and appreciate all that you do!
Are these just artist/signature models or are they based on a RI? My forest fire ‘68 SG standard has the triple pup route stock unlike this example. Angus’s first SG had a volute but his second was like mine, regardless of the model they based this on, post Norlin they were still doing triple routes so I’m curious!
The narrower nut width is based on his favourite 69 (or close to) SG that he uses on every record. He likes those era guitars for his small hands. It’s the main difference between all his Signature models and normal SG’s.
@@Richtone85 definitely, I’ve seen many interviews where he mentions this. mine barely passes as a toothpick lol, suprised that more haven’t had a heel/headstock break. I’ve dodged that bullet so far but still crossing my fingers everyday haha
@@Richtone85 His favorite is actually a 1970-71, which was his first SG that was most likely the one rebuilt by Jaydee that became the lightning bolt SG. He originally retired it in 1978 due to wood rot, then it got the new neck with the bolt inlays we all know and love.
Great review nice Angus licks ur playing too Trogly!!
Trogly+acdc+ SG 😎
The most beautiful instrument gibson made since the 60s
First review I've seen from you that I've really enjoyed..
It looks really cool on that bench mat the guy made for you. Like a heavy metal dungeon vibe.
Awesome
Thank you Sir
I have one of these. And I consider it of my price possessions. It really surprised me to realize that mine didn’t came with the case shroud. Abs it’s actually a darker brown
sounds like you have a later series version!
Cool guitar, a keeper for sure.
Got a video if the 2000 aged hardware ,Les Paul SG???
Interesting. I wasn't aware that this signature guitar existed. I'm with the others who agree on leaving the pickups as is. PAF probably is closer to the orig pickup used on High Voltage and the other recordings Angus made with the orig vibrola SG. At least that's the sound I associate with a guitar like the one in this vid.
Wanted one of these so bad when they were new. Should of done it.
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Peace Peace Hector. Congratulations on climbing to the summit of the mole hill. I’m pleased to award you a Gold Medal for today.
Peace Hector
Very nice avatar Sir
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When/If that goes in the Trogly Guitar Museum it should be displayed next to a Malcom Young Gretsch signature edition (IMHO).
You talk about a few dings that’s the best used SG I’ve seen in a while every guy I know that uses SGs are beat to hell .Our guitarist and his girlfriend got into a argument at a club on new years she grabbed one of his SGs and launched it about 15ft across the stage wile we were on break and he picked it up to see what was broke. It had a scratch on the back and the G string was out of tune I wouldn’t have believed him but I was on stage watching him tune it .
This was an awesome review of an awesome guitar and you did it complete justice. I am in Australia and own a 2005 in EXCELLENT condition along with the same case as featured here and as it was sold in. Anyone interested? Purchased in the same year (2005) for $3K AUD and I'll sell it for $20K AUD ... that is to say ... no you may not rip it from my cold dead hands as I enter the giant bunsen burner with it at the end of my days and head down the Highway :) BTW - I don't know if it's a lighting issue or just how I'm seeing it but those Key tuners do not look like the originals (they look too white) unless the 2001 is perhaps different to the 2005? The originals are Gibson Deluxe Green and never changed by this sole 2005 owner here ... just saying is all because it seemed to be the one and only small part within the whole video you did not spend any time on.