SHORT RIDER Tips You Need To Hear
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Would you say this bike is too tall for a beginner?
depends on the beginner's height, obviously
Can you make a dedicated video on how to measure inseam? I measure by spreading my legs on average of seat width and measure the vertical length, by that technique I have 31" inseam (5'8" height barefoot). I don't know whether this is correct technique or not.
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As a short rider I appreciate videos like this, but I think when you're in the dense traffic, it's a mess to do all these tricks!
only trick there is to do is just put one foot down...all the other stuff you're not going to do in traffic, I say that in the video
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@@MotoJitsuWhen you live in Asia with tough traffic jams and roads bending hard both ways, this exercise becomes a bit complex. To have a tall seat height works a lot better when you can plan your stop.
Taking off on hills and parking in hills video would be appreciated, With a tall bike or being a short rider
Already have that video
@@MotoJitsu With a tall bike or being a short rider, I should add
Ok can u show how u stop on an uphill ??
I'm using the "cop mount"' to get on my bike. With the bike on the kickstand, you put your right foot on the right foot peg. It may help to turn the handle all the way to the left, first, for balance. Then, staying close to the bike, stand on the right foot peg and swing the left leg over.
Tip 2: don't ever let tall people tell you what you can and cannot do!
Edit: where I said handle to the right, I meant left... I'm sorry. I get this mixed up all the time 🙄 but hey, you'll get it because you know the words: practice practice practice ;-)
I have a troubling left hip. I use the mount procedure you just described when ever it flares up.
That's what i'm learning ☺☺
You should learn both cop and cowboy mount. Depending on the tilt of the bike, you may not want to get on one side or the other. Geography matters. Learn both ways so you have options.
@@x-man5056 what is the difference?
@@caseycoleman394 Cop mount is on right side, Cowboy on the left. I have gripey L hip. I usually use the Cowboy because only discerning eye even notices. My bike has both pipes on right side but if there was something in my way of left side, I go to right side. If you parked on a slight slant to the right, the Cop mount may get weird because the bike is too strait up and down.
Biggest problem I have with either of them is to remember to do it, particularly dismounting.
Taking off with with the left foot on the peg and then moving the right leg to the other side is what I always did as a kid riding my brother's bicycle 😂
Same here
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Yeah, side riding is how I learned to ride a bike.
If you’re a short rider(like me. 5.6 with a 25” inseam)(looong torso)and you decide to go out and try these techniques, you’ll find that they are very difficult and awkward.
Guess what? “SHUTUP AND PRACTICE”. You’ll be SO glad you did.
Put in the time. Be willing to fail in order to improve. These skills are truly the difference between believing you are limited to a “short” list of bikes of a certain seat height, and riding any bike you want.
Great video!
Thank you for all you do!
Yes, like anything, won't get any better by watching the video unless you go out and try!
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Interesting tips.
I must say that that for my 169cm height (5' 6'') tall seat height is a deal breaker as every stoplight would bring added anxiety to the one experienced focusing on potential threats (distracted drivers) from behind.
The latest ADV from Harley introduces interesting tech which automatically lowers the bike at a stop - this kind of innovation could bring closer shorter riders like myself to a lot of different taller models.
Cheers
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I bet that's and expensive upgrade tho ;c
Don't want automatic lowering. Adds to many more variables to deal with.
5'1 here bud
thanks for the video! i’m 5’1” and felt limited (currently ride a Honda Rebel 500). Good thing the military has free BRC classes… i’m going to sign up and practice on the bigger bikes.
I'm 5' 7" on a KTM 890R and I've been learning a lot of this on the fly. I have dropped it a couple times though 🙊🙉🙈
Feel for yas. Same height and I'm no leg. 26 inch inseam. Been riding bicycles as a kid like shown in the video. Damn 10 speeds could rack ya up good!
whats your inseam?
You can also mount the bike from the right side. Easier than standing on the left peg but need to swing your weight early to stay on kickstand. Thank you very much for these very clear and helpful videos.
whatever works for you :)
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First thing to do is set your sag to your weight. I get on and off with the kick stand down. I’m 5’11” so I can get both feet down on my 2021 XR650L with a 37” seat height . Not on my tippy toes but ball of my foot. I was on my tippy toes until I set my sag to proper spec. Good information and thanks.
Great information I'm a short rider and I have a bmw g310gs I've adapted my riding skills and I get just fine.i love the no nonsense way you explain things
thanks
Great to see you on a 300 Rally, but wouldn't it be easier to step onto the footpeg with your left foot, then swing your leg over? I think for most riders, moving the bike before you're seated just increases chances to screw something up.
Thanks for the video :) I am 5.2 and never lowered my bike so i had to learn this from the very beginning. Felt really scary at first :D Now, i am a bit more confident and would love to try out the start and stop trick you showed! I think I already saved a smiliar video of yours, where you showed those tricks.
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Cool!!! That's exactly what I did for riding a bicycle! Never thought I can try it on a bike!
do it!
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With all due respect....
Your short rider getting on bike techniques are amazing but not really doable for most general public.
My self being shorter rider also on Rally, this is what I did. K-tech Low version rear shock upgrade. Front K-tech suspension spring. Seat concepts low seat. Works for me =)
Anyways as always, many thanx for your great work and super helpful videos.
Short rider here! 🙋🏻♀️ Thanks for sharing this video! I watched a bunch of your other videos after I upgraded from my first bike, a Honda CB300F (which I lowered 😬 ), to my current bike. I ended up shaving the seat and do the half butt cheek off at stops just like you talked about. Your videos really helped me build confidence with my new (taller for me) bike and now riding it feels like extension of my body. Not as nervous coming up to stop signs and red lights anymore! 😁
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How do you "shave" the seat?
@caseycoleman394 not sure about other kind of bikes but on dirt bikes and dual sports it's really easy, just remove the staples holding the seat cover and you'll have access to the foam underneath and you literally just reshape the foam with a knife or a foam cutter or something
Doesn't work for countries like India where you're stuck in crawling traffic that requires you to have your feet down a million times. Thick sole boots comprise our only ally. It takes just a little while to get accustomed to that slightly disjointed feeling while shifting gears, but everywhere else, especially in tight u-turns, they are a true savior.
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of course it'll work, one foot down only
Oh thank god, I've been looking for this comment. All these videos showing how it's done but I always doubted if it'll work in a b2b traffic in India. This held me from buying an adventure bike.
That is impeccable timing. I just started test riding a bunch of bikes this weekend and disregarded some that were too tall.
Just wanted to say thank you for giving me the some great pointers and tips! Just passed the Canadian version of the MSF, and picked up my new 2021 CB300 yesterday! LBC! Thank you!
Well I’m not a short rider but that is some good information. I do the same rolling dismount on my dirt bike and never thought about doing it on the ADV. This video proves that no matter what i think i know, MJ always delivers another option or training. Thanks bud👍. Im going to practice picking up my heavy beast this weekend. I just hope i can lay it over easy🤔
Maybe get some help on that?
go try it!
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this video reminds me of how I learned to ride a bicycle on my dad's 28" wheel bicycle when I was a teen.
I agree and disagree with lowering the Bike, I agree that you shouldn't use lowering links or mess up with the front forks in the triple clamps, but since you mentioned RaceTech they can lower your bike in the CORRECT Way by lowering your suspension internals without upsetting any geometry of the bike and they do really amazing things. they can literally lower your motorcycle as much as you want.
random video showed up on my recommended videos, he was my drill instructor 13 years ago. good to see you're still teaching, keep up the great work
Definitely going to practice this even if I don't need to. Good point on confidence
go for it!
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I'm 5 foot 4 inches with about 28 inches inseam (on a 30.7inch seat). My "instructor's" advice: "it is going to be a problem". No shit, I knew that, but it is not really hard once you get used to it.
A very simple but crucial tip is to relax. The first time I rode a bike I was very tensed up and it made the floor unreachable. Once I relaxed (after 1-2 hours on the bike) I could reach the floor with one foot (mostly the ball of my foot) easily.
Be comfortable sliding left to right on the saddle. You only need one foot down! It might be left or right depending on situation.
Practice, practice, practice!
I'm not sure if complex dismounting tequniques (used mostly in bicycles) are good for a begginer.
lol sounds like wonder 'advice' lol!!
I never said this was for a beginner or an experienced rider. Of course you'll have to decide what is within your ability.
I had that crf 250L rally for two years. I am vertically challenged. I got on and off that bike with kickstand down. I would grab the front brake to prevent the bike moving forward which of course would suck. Then I simply hopped on the peg and threw a leg over. Maybe it was bad to put my weight on the side stand like that but like I said It worked fine for me for 2 years owning the bike. Off on the same way. Grab the brake and use the peg to climb off and on.. IDK that worked for me and seems a bit less scary then trying to hop on while the bike is in motion....
Great tip! I recently bought crf150l and im 4'11" lol big dreams coming from these smol legs haha practice makes perfect✨
My tip is, if it's gunna fall let it fall. Almost ripped my knee in half cause I hopped on and tried catching it with my right foot to stop it and tweaked my knee hard.
Agree - let it fall on top of you if necessary - better than twisting yourself to try to hold it up.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
yes!
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Good work Greg. This video is timely for me bc I just bought a WR250R with a 36.6” seat. Sold the KTM 250xc-f to a neighbor
thanks, now go practice these things!
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You make it look so easy!
anything is with practice
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I'm 5'4" and I ride a KTM 790 Adventure R with seat height almost 35". I have to do all of these techniques in order to be able to ride it. I get looks at stop lights but so what? They're stuck in a cage while I'm out riding!
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Thanks so much for this!! It's super helpful. Love how informative and honest your videos are!🙏🏻
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I’m a very new rider (again) and I would not be comfortable doing these moves.
I do however think that mounting the bike using the foot peg would be a good idea. I just hope that the bike doesn’t fall whilst doing that 🫣
I've always wondered how shorter riders get on these huge and taller bikes. I just got my M1 and this has been real helpful.
Haha, This is my life on normal bikes! I have my bike lowered, handlebar risers and the big chunky boots. It's all very well saying don't do that, but to get confident it's been necessary. They wouldn't sell lowering kits if it made bikes dangerous. Yes the boots are a pain, and yes the lever changing is harder, I've now had the lever adjusted so it's higher up. My legs are only 26 inches max. It's great if you can just do what you do, but if you're not confident to ride like that, then the other things are ok!
Awesome! I’m looking for a new bike and the ones I want are on the “taller”‘side 😂
Thank you so much i need video’s like these bcuz i’m 5.3 short 🤣🙏🙏
Funny to see someone who is not used to this problem area to handle it. Made my day ;-) Thank you! Need to learn the "moving (un-)mount" myself.
I am 6' tall but have a short inseam like 29.5 " , all torso . That bike would be like riding a horse . My Tenere was just a bit tall and top heavy and after 3 tip overs it was time to get it lowered . Then at the 600 mile service I had the dealership install Motoz Tractionator ADV tires and the bike is back at stock height with those nobbys , haha . Eventually with more experience I will bring it back up to stock height . I would definitely change those seats on the Honda you , the one you got looks way more comfortable .
Ya I had that bike. I found the seat to be comfortable even on really long rides. My new 900 GT hurts my arse after about 150 miles lol...
Seriously? I'm 5'8" with 31 inseam. I measure by spliting legs according to seat width and measure the vertical length, not the entire inseam like how tailor makes. Don't know whether its the perfect technique, but works for me.
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It's true . I have seen guys with really short torsos so it goes that way too . When I got on a DRZ400 a few years ago when checking out that and the DR650 I thought no way this tall for my 1st bike . But these taller lower cc bikes are a hundred pounds less or more and that helps compensate when dealing with it leaning at an angle . I start leaning the Tenere 700 and it lets me know about it , this is at a stop or right before a stop .
Not certain I would do the rolling dismount at a gas station. Hit a patch of oil, grease, or gas and the front will lock up causing you to crash! I only use the rear brake at very low speeds. Makes the bike much easier to control.
i wanna practice and do that anyway to look cooler
Thanks for the great video. As a shorter rider , I have always had to try different things. You showed me some new stuff today that I will work on . If you don't mind I have a question about something I saw on your bike. The rear case . I have a Pelican case that looks similar but I can not find a mount for it. I have a 2015 Yamaha FJ09 . Do you have any ideas for a mount for me? Thanks in advance.
You’re welcome! I Drilled holes and bolted it to the rear rack I put on 👍🏼
@@MotoJitsu Thanks . I will get working on mounting solid :)
in the last tip, after putting the kickstand down you can dismount normally after coming to complete stop and tilt the bike to the left. No need to jump to the left side, just my preference.
I'm 5'8" with 31" inseam, seat height anything below 850mm is good for me. Above 850mm is a bit challenging in traffic.
Did you even watch the video?
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Nice, although I would have problems to do all that on towns where there are uphills everywhere, that would be the next hardcore level imo.
I have a xr650l, shaved the seat. The last trick is called a gentleman exit
I appreciate the tips I ride a triumph tiger 1200 so I need all the tips I can get because the bike is so tall
As always your tutorials are one of the best.
Thank you again
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thanks
I'm 60 years old and can put my 2021 Gold Wing on its center stand while still on the bike. I can *almost* do it just as I'm rolling to a full stop without having to touch the ground...almost, still need a little more practice on that one. But I said that to say this, you can do anything on a bike if you practice it enough.
yes, practice practice
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Good & practical advice - thanks.
i have a 2006 gs650 dakar, and i am 171cm trust me it was daunting at 1st as it was my 1st 'big' bike coming from a yamaha 125cc.. have had the bike for 3 months now and i am used to it..i just tip toe,shift weight and some unnamed things that just help me go..i have also developed a good sense of balance which is also thanks to the lower tank of the bike such that i can slow really down and get moving again without touching the ground. thsnks for the extra tips Sempai
Could you please do a training series on "returning riders" ie riders that have had a very long break (5+ years) from riding ? Returning riders are over represented in accident statistics.
I rode same bike for 20 years, now I have a new one - feel like a learner! (Too big for my 5' self too, and for my mini-size hands!)
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Awesome vid. Put those T-Rex crash bars on my 250 dual too. For mounting, step on the footpeg and swing leg over especially if you have bags/truck attached, works great.
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Thank you very much, I’m really short and I’m going to buy the Yamaha xtz250 and I was really worried about how to stop it
很實用的技巧。謝謝
Awesome vid, thank you!
I am so glad there are low bikes (I am a tiny bit taller than 5 ft and about 96 pounds...
Dirt bikes should have air suspensions that you could lower by pressing a button. My neighbor had a Citroën car that would do that back in the sixties, why isn't that possible sixtie years later.😉
You smooth wit it
Your videos are the best!!!!
Great explanation, as always. If only I could do things as easily!
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damn wonderful video. 169cm rider support you all the time. lot of help for me🤜🏻🤜🏻
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Had a CRF250L Rally and it was pretty good (first bike). Got bad gas (wrecked everything mechanical) and life circumstances ended it to soon :( I would stand on the peg on the kickstand side to swing my leg over.
Awesome, thank you!
On my Triumph Tiger 1200 XCX, even though I have a 32 inch inseam, with the panniers on and the tail bag on, I have to cowboy mount the bike. I cannot toss a leg over the seat or swing a leg over the bags. I learned to "Cowboy"!! Once on however. I can easily get flat footed even though it is a tall bike. Inexperienced riders should avoid tall bikes. Experienced riders can adapt because of the experience with different machines. Great video SenSei!!! Awesome as usual.
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Being over 6’, i just watched this video for general info. I just wanna say: i wish my MT-07 had 2-3 inches of seat cushion instead of just a plank 😂
I test rode one today and yeah felt like a plank. Wish it was softer.
The cowboy mount, hell yeah, hail hesus! But, this is the most confusingly satisfying circus video from Greg. Loved watching it. :D
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Thanks for the vid. I wanted a KLXs but it's still tall for me.
just learn how to ride taller bikes
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This video is very useful for me and my bike is also dirt bike 👍
glad to hear
I popped my hamstring trying to catch the weight of my bike going over to the right side. I had it in enduro mode which is the softest setting but the highest at the same time. I went down like a sack of potatoes.and my beautiful ducati has a small scratch on the tank now. 🥺
Nice work. I needed this. Just bought a WR250R and it’s 36.6” seat height.
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I thought about shaving my seat but the angle to the pegs is quite acute as it is so I didn't go for that. Just got a rally raid lowering kit 20mm combined with boot inserts should do the trick!
good luck.
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Don’t be afraid to hop off the bike and push it around to maneuver in tight spots where taller riders might duck-walk the bike. If someone heckles you for doing it, they are putting their poor character on display for everyone to see, it says nothing about you or your skills.
I have a 28 inch inseam, I ride an BMW R1250 GSA daily. There is a whole toolbox full of skills for short riders on tall bikes. You want to see those skills in action get some dirt on your tires. Even average size guys have to use these skills on dirt bikes. And, learning to ride off-road will help your on road skills.
Thank you, I learned valuable lessons from your video.
Thanks - really helpful tips. Much appreciated by us with shorter legs.
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I found not having a top case helps, especially when I need to quick mount off the bike to save it! As a side note do you regret buying the CRF250L? I recently bought a DRZ400S as a first dual sport bike and I found that I wouldn't want anything less power-wise. It comfortably cruises at 75 mph on the highway and the stock fully adjustable suspension is so good!
I don't regret anything I've done
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Semper Fidelis.
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I think you erred by demonstrating this with a dirt bike. Yes they are all high and demonstrate the issues well. But dirt bikes need all that suspension travel.
I'm 5'7" with 29" inseam, lowering the bike correctly will enhance your street riding experience. 5" of ground clearance on pavement is enough. (if I go off pavement, it's only to turn around and get back on it) Yes, you might have to go diagonal across some speed bumps but having good purchase with the ground with both feet when desired is needed for street riding.
A young guy like you can sit at a long light on his left leg. I'm 69. Left hip and left knee creaky. Most lights are fast enough for only L leg down but certain long lights in town or when after a longer ride and a bit of exhaustion has shown up, both feet down for comfort and stability.
Rear suspension travel does shorten, so any lowering shock/spring you use needs to be a little stiffer than stock. A little stiffer spring is better than bottoming out. Don't be having that happen with regularity, it will compress your spine.
Thank you.
My everyday life on my Hypermotard lol
Hmm 🤔 Jocelin Snow “short rider tips” or Bret Tkacs “Poser skills” Vid? 😂
I thought the same... haha. Or watch the Video of Fortnine with Ryan. He did those things as well. :)
All three are good videos. Bret Tkacs is good for a lot of advice across the board. He has a common sense approach to teaching and deciding what is necessary and what isn’t useful to train.
Greetings from Ireland Eddie thanks for sharing the knowledge it's really appreciated. I was once told that if you couldn't have both feet flat or near enough when on the bike that maybe it wasn't a good idea to ride that bike, your balance and ability to control the machine in certain situations especially in traffic would be compromised. Would appreciate your thoughts..
of course I don't agree...one foot down is all I do
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Would you recommend getting a bike that is to tall for you even when you start learning how to drive?
damn I'm 5 flat💀 and this helps thanks!
This tricks are good for single seat.... Any more additions for stopping and going with a pillion
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I'd do that on my bicycle every single ride. Didn't know it works exactly the same with tall bikes.
sure does!
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A other good video brother. I’m 6’ so I flat foot my 750 gixxer. But this look like good control practice for me to do anyway
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Thanks at 5-7 it is a challenge now for the CB500X..
I fell when I tried to offload my bike from the main stand on the inclined road .
Hello! What's your opinion about headphones while riding? Many people like to listen music, podcasts and many other things using wireless headphones. Thanks! Great video!!!
Thanks. I don’t listen to anything, I actually put in ear plugs
for a short rider how to handle a bike in uphill, loose gravel surface and road tires and have to stop the bike in middle of the uphill.
don't get in that situation in the first place, sounds like poor judgement
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A lot of what you say aint any good for people with just a kick start like mine I know my bike well and starting it is a routine
Sorry to post this random question but I am not sure how to contact you any other way. I like your content and style of teaching. Thank you for all you do to help others learn. I have a rather basic question and I cant seem to find much content on this specifically. What is the preferred method of coming to a controlled stop at a stop sign or stop light? This may be rather simple, but I would like to know a couple of situations in this type of stopping. Do both feet come down? If you know you are going to make a left or right, when do you turn the handle bars? Keep hand on brake (to keep brake light on for those behind you). What if on an incline/decline. Yes, it seems basic, but I want to learn what seems best and best for me rather than adopting bad habits.
No right or wrong, just be in 1st before you stop.
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Butt cheek to the left or right is enough for me. Needed some time gettig used to but I'm fine now. But that one foot start and stop looks like fun. Time to learn that :-)
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This is more of a problem for being 5,6 and trying to get on a klr650 gen2
same tips
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@MotoJitsu thank you for responding and I can't wait to try ur tricks out today on a klr650
no matter what bike you have...all works...short rider tall bike, or average size person on a tall bike...or short person on a normal size bike...
In before Doodle 😂
Nice thanks for the tips. By the way what kind of tail bag is that? I like that its a hard top case and probsably lockable
Pelican case
WHY not STAND on the left peg with your left foot WHILE THE KICKSTAND IS DOWN....?
Sure works! Some bikes have bad sidestands, make sure its strong enough to take your weight over the long run 😉
Did you need to lengthen the kick stand after the suspension upgrade? To avoid leaning the bike over to much?
No