This is very interesting... I have actually submitted a C2 application to court requesting such information from CAFCASS and my application was denied by the Judge, as the court cannot order CAFCASS to disclose such information, apparently. I'd love to hear some feedback on this.
@@mckenziefrienduknetworkYes, and 2 and a half years later, WHAT is the legal standing on requesting FULL DISCLOSURE from family destroyer agencies?? As far I knew, full disclosure is one's legal right before appearing at court and being blindsided. I am in Ireland, and such is the case here. I am quite sure that both of our legal systems are 98% veritable hybrids of each other. Additionally, surely a 'FOI' -Freedom of Information request is applicable too?? Please inform us Philip. Thanks for your brilliant videos. 👍👍🙏🙏🇮🇪🏴🏴🏴
Excellent video Phil and thank you very much. Brilliant points, highly strategic, very prudent, and uncontestable. There is nothing any of these parasitic low-lifes could reasonably say against these tactics. Excellent. I highly commend your contribution to our World. God bless. 👍👍🙏🙏
Thank you for the video Phil, quick question please if you don't mind. Is it best to take same approach with Cafcass Guardian or are they slightly different from the Cafcass officer who makes original phonecall or who does the section 7 report?
Good question. Yes you could but their roles are different. Guardians may be appointed when there is resistance from the resident parent, so quite often their position is to support the non-resident parent getting contact. Not in every case though. When it comes to a Guardian I would give it more thought to pick my moments and approach carefully. Hope that helps.
Very informative! I wished I saw all your video's before my application. The dapp video that you done was really good. (I spoke to you last month, thank you for passing on some good advice)....
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork The court doesn't exist. It is a fictional entity. The *judge* is the one who makes decisions and to whom one's appeals need to be made.
Conplete waste of time caffcass, never return your calls, drag there heels with everything, never answer texts. My one i have to wait for a section 7 report to speak to my kids again. Taking absolutely ages, saying to me they will do this and do that then next minute dont. Im sure they do this on purpose to test you. Ie see if you will snap.
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork I had a hair strand test and it came back as 0.1 of 1mg and they told the court it was a medium reading, even though I don’t smoke cannabis. They said they couldn’t counteract the fact it could be from environmental causes, e.g someone smoking near me. But the court still saw it as I’m a drug user even though they couldn’t categorically say I was! I even called another drug testing company and they said it was a very low reading, what are your thoughts on this?
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork Indeed, and for that reason it would be most helpful to have this explained. The 'C2' reference suggests that this is an application for a court order - presumably requesting the court to order Cafcass to disclose whatever material - but to whom (the court, the applicant, all the parties)? How does its effectiveness differ from that of a SAR? e.g. can a C2 obtain info which could be legitimately 'excluded' under a SAR? Where, if at all, are there set out limitations on what a C2 order can require to be disclosed? How quickly can an order be issued following application, and how long would Cafcass have to respond (c.f. 28 days for a SAR)? I can find no examples of this route having been followed (successfully or otherwise). I imagine that the 1st hurdle is to get the court to agree that the request is justified (in its eyes) and in the form requested. A SAR is under closer control of the applicant, at least in some respects..
@@sydoverington5274 Thank you for your considered questions. Yes, it is entirely different from a SAR. A SAR is very limited to disclosing basic information that a body holds on you. It can exclude the providing of documents, or if it does include documents they would usually be redacted to be of no use. A court order however has a far wider power when it comes to disclosure. In essence, the court can order the disclosure that is deemed necessary and relevant. You are right, why has this not been routinely done? Because no one rocks the boat!. However, I am aware that as a result of my vlog, that this has been attempted and a Judge has agreed. Full disclosure of original notes and assessments of Social Services has been ordered following their S.7 after a C2 was put in, Social Services appear to be resisting the court order probably in panic! I can't say much more at this time but watch this space. SARs have little merit and they are not court-ordered. However, I believe that if Cafcass ever state that they have applied any tools that inform their professional judgement, that a person must have access to the tools that were applied and the notes associated with those tools. Without those, how can an 'expert' witness ever be challenged? This is all about challenging the courts from the inside. LIP's need to empower themselves to challenge the system, and to use it to their advantage. The alternative is to continue to be lambs to the slaughter. Even lawyers don't do this because it would cause chaos and they just play the game. That's the power of being a LIP and believe me I am only beginning in my thoughts.
Do you offer free advice or help at all very unfair situation courts not send the other sides case no information from the cases that have been missed by other respondant due to not receiving directions to attend cases then resulted section7 still without any respondandts safeguarding concerns there's alot too involvement of social care and all has escalated to section7 then ss to now do section 37 all without a respondandts forms replied in court or being at the many court cases missed unfairly help plz u able to telephone for advice
... and remember you can use the tool given to us called a SAR (subject access request) good luck everyone, namaste🙏
I wish I watched this video a week ago! A lot can happen in a week with Cafcass.
This is very interesting...
I have actually submitted a C2 application to court requesting such information from CAFCASS and my application was denied by the Judge, as the court cannot order CAFCASS to disclose such information, apparently.
I'd love to hear some feedback on this.
Hi Cj, very interesting, perhaps book a chat. www.mckenziefrienduk.net/consultation.htm Regards Phil Kedge
So 6 months on...what happened ? What is the legal bottom line here?
@@mckenziefrienduknetworkYes, and 2 and a half years later, WHAT is the legal standing on requesting FULL DISCLOSURE from family destroyer agencies??
As far I knew, full disclosure is one's legal right before appearing at court and being blindsided. I am in Ireland, and such is the case here. I am quite sure that both of our legal systems are 98% veritable hybrids of each other.
Additionally, surely a 'FOI' -Freedom of Information request is applicable too??
Please inform us Philip.
Thanks for your brilliant videos.
👍👍🙏🙏🇮🇪🏴🏴🏴
Great man ❤
You guys are absolutely brilliant 👏
Thank you
Excellent video Phil and thank you very much.
Brilliant points, highly strategic, very prudent, and uncontestable. There is nothing any of these parasitic low-lifes could reasonably say against these tactics.
Excellent. I highly commend your contribution to our World.
God bless. 👍👍🙏🙏
If you ask for the Cafcass call to be recorded, the Cafcass officer will tell you that they have to inform the other parent and their legal team.
Thank you for the video Phil, quick question please if you don't mind.
Is it best to take same approach with Cafcass Guardian or are they slightly different from the Cafcass officer who makes original phonecall or who does the section 7 report?
Good question. Yes you could but their roles are different. Guardians may be appointed when there is resistance from the resident parent, so quite often their position is to support the non-resident parent getting contact. Not in every case though. When it comes to a Guardian I would give it more thought to pick my moments and approach carefully. Hope that helps.
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork Thank you so much for that reply, it helps alot.
Helpful thanks
Happy to help
Cafcass pulled out my final hearing
Me too today...not impressed at all
Then what happens in this case?
Very informative! I wished I saw all your video's before my application. The dapp video that you done was really good. (I spoke to you last month, thank you for passing on some good advice)....
My pleasure
I hope I saw this before my call either they are very sly and biased.
I have question. Can children read the section 7 report and are they allowed to speak on any miss interpretation cafcass may have written Phillip
No they can't, the court and Cafcass would find that entirely inappropriate. Regards Phil
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork
The court doesn't exist. It is a fictional entity.
The *judge* is the one who makes decisions and to whom one's appeals need to be made.
Conplete waste of time caffcass, never return your calls, drag there heels with everything, never answer texts. My one i have to wait for a section 7 report to speak to my kids again. Taking absolutely ages, saying to me they will do this and do that then next minute dont. Im sure they do this on purpose to test you. Ie see if you will snap.
They destroyed my life and stole my children.
Hello, do you know what type of drug testing is commonly used in uk family court when one party is accused of substance abuse? thanks in advance
Hair Strand Test
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork ok thank you for your reply
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork I had a hair strand test and it came back as 0.1 of 1mg and they told the court it was a medium reading, even though I don’t smoke cannabis. They said they couldn’t counteract the fact it could be from environmental causes, e.g someone smoking near me. But the court still saw it as I’m a drug user even though they couldn’t categorically say I was! I even called another drug testing company and they said it was a very low reading, what are your thoughts on this?
Isnt this a Subject Access request?
No, entirely different.
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork Indeed, and for that reason it would be most helpful to have this explained. The 'C2' reference suggests that this is an application for a court order - presumably requesting the court to order Cafcass to disclose whatever material - but to whom (the court, the applicant, all the parties)? How does its effectiveness differ from that of a SAR? e.g. can a C2 obtain info which could be legitimately 'excluded' under a SAR? Where, if at all, are there set out limitations on what a C2 order can require to be disclosed? How quickly can an order be issued following application, and how long would Cafcass have to respond (c.f. 28 days for a SAR)? I can find no examples of this route having been followed (successfully or otherwise). I imagine that the 1st hurdle is to get the court to agree that the request is justified (in its eyes) and in the form requested. A SAR is under closer control of the applicant, at least in some respects..
@@sydoverington5274 Thank you for your considered questions. Yes, it is entirely different from a SAR. A SAR is very limited to disclosing basic information that a body holds on you. It can exclude the providing of documents, or if it does include documents they would usually be redacted to be of no use. A court order however has a far wider power when it comes to disclosure. In essence, the court can order the disclosure that is deemed necessary and relevant. You are right, why has this not been routinely done? Because no one rocks the boat!. However, I am aware that as a result of my vlog, that this has been attempted and a Judge has agreed. Full disclosure of original notes and assessments of Social Services has been ordered following their S.7 after a C2 was put in, Social Services appear to be resisting the court order probably in panic! I can't say much more at this time but watch this space. SARs have little merit and they are not court-ordered. However, I believe that if Cafcass ever state that they have applied any tools that inform their professional judgement, that a person must have access to the tools that were applied and the notes associated with those tools. Without those, how can an 'expert' witness ever be challenged? This is all about challenging the courts from the inside. LIP's need to empower themselves to challenge the system, and to use it to their advantage. The alternative is to continue to be lambs to the slaughter. Even lawyers don't do this because it would cause chaos and they just play the game. That's the power of being a LIP and believe me I am only beginning in my thoughts.
@@mckenziefrienduknetwork Thank you for your reply. Food for thought.
Do you offer free advice or help at all very unfair situation courts not send the other sides case no information from the cases that have been missed by other respondant due to not receiving directions to attend cases then resulted section7 still without any respondandts safeguarding concerns there's alot too involvement of social care and all has escalated to section7 then ss to now do section 37 all without a respondandts forms replied in court or being at the many court cases missed unfairly help plz u able to telephone for advice