I agree so much with Ignacy. There is such a focus on art and the reality is that at one point AI art will be so good that the job of the artist will likely change from full creator to touch up artist. The same goes for translation. Try Google translate now and you will find that the translation is far from perfect and needs a native speaker to check the translation. That is not not easy and arguably maybe time wise it might not even make much sense as you might not win much time. But AI will get better and soon the translation business might be niche and nobody is fighting their corner. We are all so concerned with the “poor” artists but a lot of the bigger artist do not only make board game art. They do book covers, company art, art for in living rooms, etc. And that might not stop so I am less concerned with artists. But other parts, there might be more job losses. And any board game company not using AI at all is a lie. There will be parts where it is or will be used such as running through probabilities, checking campaigns for inconsistencies, or even for their finances. AI is here, we opened Pandora’s box and trying to fight it is as the famous story of Don Quixote.
I have talked about this on past episodes: My former Art Director and Illustrator, Bill Bricker, has used AI generated art extensively, sees it as a TOOL, but then does much much much touching up and ADDING to the composition. At this point, AI can do SOME of it, but cannot do it all… at least not as good as a human. It’s about SPEED when it comes to AI at this point. Your points are all well-taken. This is going to happen. Let’s figure out the best way, the most moral way, the way that keeps as many illustrators employed way as possible.
My variation of that question is if you played a game and was reminded some other game was awesome and went back to that instead? When the Dominion app came out, which is really great, I was reminded how good the Ascension app is and started playing that a bunch again instead. :D
Yeah, back in the day, the Ascension app was *the* yardstick to measure all apps against. Of course, all card games will just be easier to implement. Thanks for the input!
That was absolutely shitty from HiG. It looks like most German publishers are losing their way lately, maybe due to EA, sorry, Asmodee acquiring so many of them. Anyway, until HiG apologizes and pays the other company's costs for changing their name, I'm not buying anything from them again, and I know many in my club think exactly the same. They should be ashamed.
The more this sits with me, the more I agree: terribly shitty thing to do to a small company. And they have not gone after the other 40 companies and other 40 game names that use “Meeple”. I know for fact (as I spoke to an unnamed source at Asmodee) that when Asmodee did “Meeple Circus” they went to HiG and *told* them, “We are doing this game, FYI.” So HiG only goes after small companies where they can push their weight around. Uncool.
On the topic of more promotion of the hobby. How do other hobbies think about it? Are we the only ones who are zealots who want to get everybody into the hobby. I am a big railway modeller (and plastic aircraft) and it does not seem to be a discussion there. Sure they are worried about the influx of young people but not to the extent where whole discussions are being started about getting more people to build a model railway. Same for fishing (yes, I have a lot of hobbies). They never have a discussion about trying to get a major movie picture or series on Netflix to incorporate fishing to promote the hobby. I find the fascination of board gamers to “convert” others interesting. But with more games you probably get more output from board game companies which invariably will impact quality. So be careful what you wish for. And you see already that a lot of people gravitate, even when I am standing in a board game store, to the more party segment of the business. There is a reason why Cards against Humanity is so popular. So more people in the hobby doesn’t mean more players of Wyrmspan or Cubitos or Imperial Miners or Robinson Crusoe. And as far as getting celebrities involved. Don’t know. Cristiano Ronaldo fishes, does that mean more fisher’s. Not really. Henry Cavill is a Warhammer nerd. Does it mean more people playing the game. Not really. There are lots of celebrities with a model railroad at home who also post pictures on FB pages. More influx in the hobby, negligible. I don’t want to be negative, but I don’t think it will have such an impact as people think or it is only very temporary. There was a massive peak a few years ago of young people who wanted to become forensic detectives following the succes of CSI. Did it last? Nope.
The discussion is in general fascinating. IMO, if we do get more “stars” into it, people will look at us like we are less odd, and they might want to try the hobby. But the last part is the point. I don’t care if it’s Cavill or an A-Lister we know. What I want is to invite and entice more and more people into the hobby. More people = more gamers to play with = more inclusivity and diversity = more great games by great publishers. We want that cycle. THANKS for the commentary!
Not once did anyone on this podcast defend AI. What was said, very clearly, is that AI is not going away. We, as a SOCIETY, need to figure this all out. What can it be used for, what can’t it be used for, how to moderate the fact that it could become the most intelligent thing on the planet, and then… very bad consequences, potentially. These types of decisions are way about all of our pay grades. However, we are a people can, should, and will play into these decisions in the long run. Thanks for your support.
@@PodfatherGaming yeah no. That kind of analysis is dangerous. As a society we absolutely can get rid of it. It's when we start bowing down to its inevitability that we lose. Care for people in this industry enough to not be so lenient about it. Care for this industry enough to be opposed to it without caviats.
I agree so much with Ignacy. There is such a focus on art and the reality is that at one point AI art will be so good that the job of the artist will likely change from full creator to touch up artist. The same goes for translation. Try Google translate now and you will find that the translation is far from perfect and needs a native speaker to check the translation. That is not not easy and arguably maybe time wise it might not even make much sense as you might not win much time. But AI will get better and soon the translation business might be niche and nobody is fighting their corner. We are all so concerned with the “poor” artists but a lot of the bigger artist do not only make board game art. They do book covers, company art, art for in living rooms, etc. And that might not stop so I am less concerned with artists. But other parts, there might be more job losses. And any board game company not using AI at all is a lie. There will be parts where it is or will be used such as running through probabilities, checking campaigns for inconsistencies, or even for their finances. AI is here, we opened Pandora’s box and trying to fight it is as the famous story of Don Quixote.
I have talked about this on past episodes: My former Art Director and Illustrator, Bill Bricker, has used AI generated art extensively, sees it as a TOOL, but then does much much much touching up and ADDING to the composition. At this point, AI can do SOME of it, but cannot do it all… at least not as good as a human. It’s about SPEED when it comes to AI at this point. Your points are all well-taken. This is going to happen. Let’s figure out the best way, the most moral way, the way that keeps as many illustrators employed way as possible.
My variation of that question is if you played a game and was reminded some other game was awesome and went back to that instead? When the Dominion app came out, which is really great, I was reminded how good the Ascension app is and started playing that a bunch again instead. :D
Yeah, back in the day, the Ascension app was *the* yardstick to measure all apps against. Of course, all card games will just be easier to implement. Thanks for the input!
That was absolutely shitty from HiG. It looks like most German publishers are losing their way lately, maybe due to EA, sorry, Asmodee acquiring so many of them.
Anyway, until HiG apologizes and pays the other company's costs for changing their name, I'm not buying anything from them again, and I know many in my club think exactly the same.
They should be ashamed.
The more this sits with me, the more I agree: terribly shitty thing to do to a small company. And they have not gone after the other 40 companies and other 40 game names that use “Meeple”. I know for fact (as I spoke to an unnamed source at Asmodee) that when Asmodee did “Meeple Circus” they went to HiG and *told* them, “We are doing this game, FYI.” So HiG only goes after small companies where they can push their weight around. Uncool.
Free the Meeple! Stop Hans Im Gluck for pretending to own something they don't.
Who's Meeples? The People's Meeples!
🎼 can you hear the people sing,
🎼 singling the songs of angry men!
🤣🤣🤣
On the topic of more promotion of the hobby. How do other hobbies think about it? Are we the only ones who are zealots who want to get everybody into the hobby. I am a big railway modeller (and plastic aircraft) and it does not seem to be a discussion there. Sure they are worried about the influx of young people but not to the extent where whole discussions are being started about getting more people to build a model railway. Same for fishing (yes, I have a lot of hobbies). They never have a discussion about trying to get a major movie picture or series on Netflix to incorporate fishing to promote the hobby. I find the fascination of board gamers to “convert” others interesting. But with more games you probably get more output from board game companies which invariably will impact quality. So be careful what you wish for. And you see already that a lot of people gravitate, even when I am standing in a board game store, to the more party segment of the business. There is a reason why Cards against Humanity is so popular. So more people in the hobby doesn’t mean more players of Wyrmspan or Cubitos or Imperial Miners or Robinson Crusoe. And as far as getting celebrities involved. Don’t know. Cristiano Ronaldo fishes, does that mean more fisher’s. Not really. Henry Cavill is a Warhammer nerd. Does it mean more people playing the game. Not really. There are lots of celebrities with a model railroad at home who also post pictures on FB pages. More influx in the hobby, negligible. I don’t want to be negative, but I don’t think it will have such an impact as people think or it is only very temporary. There was a massive peak a few years ago of young people who wanted to become forensic detectives following the succes of CSI. Did it last? Nope.
The discussion is in general fascinating. IMO, if we do get more “stars” into it, people will look at us like we are less odd, and they might want to try the hobby. But the last part is the point. I don’t care if it’s Cavill or an A-Lister we know. What I want is to invite and entice more and more people into the hobby. More people = more gamers to play with = more inclusivity and diversity = more great games by great publishers. We want that cycle. THANKS for the commentary!
come on people, don't fucking defend using AI. Editors, developpers, testers, all sorts of people that are not artists also fucking need a job.
Not once did anyone on this podcast defend AI. What was said, very clearly, is that AI is not going away. We, as a SOCIETY, need to figure this all out. What can it be used for, what can’t it be used for, how to moderate the fact that it could become the most intelligent thing on the planet, and then… very bad consequences, potentially. These types of decisions are way about all of our pay grades. However, we are a people can, should, and will play into these decisions in the long run. Thanks for your support.
@@PodfatherGaming yeah no. That kind of analysis is dangerous. As a society we absolutely can get rid of it. It's when we start bowing down to its inevitability that we lose. Care for people in this industry enough to not be so lenient about it. Care for this industry enough to be opposed to it without caviats.