Part of This Gear Puzzle I Didn't See | Engels Coach Shop
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- Since none of this manure spreader was working, I'm figuring the puzzle out as I reconstruct it and the gears and sprockets all have to mesh properly. I overlooked a simple operating engagement gear and thought I had goofed. But I'm learning as I go. Thanks for coming along!
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"Professor" Engels gives us another opportunity to learn. Always a pleasure to be invited along. God Bless you and Mrs. Engels.
Victorian shop machinery was so well built as long as you do basic servicing and don't abuse them they will run for ever.
Dave's bandsaw looks like it was made around the same time as the ship saw owned by Leo Goolden, on the Sampson Boat Co. channel.
@@paulmccool378-- Both saws are great. That saw Leo has is simply amazing, but of course meant for specific tasks in the boat building trade. I would take Dave's saw though if I had a choice because it would be more practical for normal use.
Actually in all fairness that band saw wasn't in a shop it was in a factory that did production work of some sort. The home craftsman could never afford anything like that. So it's kinda like comparing apples and oranges it seems. If you look at new factory equipment it's not even close as to the quality, ease of use, lack of maintenance needed and accuracy that can be achieved. All that old equipment has clearances that a cat can be thrown through and things like babbit bearings. That simply wouldn't be done on production equipment now.
Only the good stuff lasted though... Plenty of old things were made poorly too and didn't survive, that's why we keep thinking old stuff was made better. It was however more expensive so we couldn't afford as much of it as we can now, so in 100 years time there's going to be lots of today's machinery in landfill just because there's a lot more of it in general.
Although Victorian era machinery was very well made, there was very little attention paid to the safety of the operators, or those moving close by the moving parts. Today, there would be guards / housings / fences, shielding any moving parts.
and again it shows that it is a small small world we live in. You mentioned Keith Rucker and I just followed him restoring the 110 year old capstan for Tally Ho of Leo from the "Sampson Boat Co" channel. And I also got my dose of reality check when I was thinking working for 11 years at a 17 year old (at the time I started working with it) milling machine is odd. After those 11 years I changed into the tool coating department of the company (making those golden drillbits, taps and milling cutter) from were I retired after 30 years in that department. And I know that this milling machine is still in use beside all those CNC machinery of today.
Keith probably posted these videos on the capstan project one or two weeks after the work was done. I wonder if the capstan has made it to Leo yet? If so, we can probably expect a video from Leo soon. Of course he has to dismantle the capstan for paint, then install it on deck which will take time.
@@ironcladranchandforge7292 Leo has the capstan. Was hauled across the country "in record time".
I did not realize that was the same fellow. That was impressive work to motorize and rebuild the antique capstan.
She's a beauty! I can't wait to see her throwing manure!
I love these old machines. I have a 1968 Powermatic 45 that I rebuilt from the ground up. Repainted it and brought it back from the dead. Way to go Professor!
Why all nuts are square?
I enjoy your shows tremendously. Your shows are a place of peace.
Thank you
That Saw motor is a large bonus. Keith will be proud of ol' Dave. Thanks for a great video. your sound comparisons came through on this end pretty good.
Today on the program, manure spreader puzzle with Engels Coach Shop! Fascinating, I like it! Thanks for sharing your adventures with us!
My dad and me rebuilt an old 14" Delta/ Milwaukee bandsaw in the '60s. New bearings, tires and motor. Every time I use it, it brings a smile.
I am not going to lie I giggled a little when you said "this board will help deter it coming from out the side" in my mind I heard "it de-Turd it from coming out the side"
Well it is a turd hurst 😂
I think that joke required an #dadjoke warning. 😉
😂🤣
Another fascinating episode of the manure spreader . Thanks Dave and Diane. 👍🏴
I like seeing all the old mechanisms. There have always been some clever people.
I too am fascinated with the clever designs and features of these historic machines! Your knowledge, skills and detective work always amazes me.
Hi. I'm in the UK. I discovered your channel a few years ago, and I have to say how much I've enjoyed every single one of your videos.
We're glad you watch.
Straighten a bend out only to find that the bend was intentional for the machine to operate. The ultimate puzzle with no instructions only reference photos! The project looks great Dave!
Its great to listen and watch someone with such an appreciation for the ingenuity and its construction of early mechanical machinery
Thank you for the new lesson it is always enjoyable to watch someone that is interested in there work.
Hi Dave, and Diane, the old equipment always seems to be better than what we get today, as also displayed by your table saw. All the iron works on this spreader are amazing technology even compared to some of the things they throw at us today. I knew that you would figure out the gear works, and have confidence that this work perfectly upon completion, and maybe in time for the debates! Thank you for sharing, and thank you Diane for all of your awesome editing, and fast responses. Take care.
I think we are going to need a much bigger spreader for that.
@@ronmccabe7164 Amen Brother!
I love what i see. This is so important that this old know-how does not go away.
Every day's a school day.
When we did machine shop back in the day everyone used to rush to snag the newest lathes just because they were new. The older machines were just as good and simpler to use and understand
I feel so proud to watch that Professor Engles of the Joliet university of American wagons. I soooo enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Those engineers that figured out how everything works just blows my mind. It looks so simple, but this was high-tech stuff when it was made.
There are very few designs being made anymore with this degree of mechanical complexity. It's just so much easier to use separate electrical motors and actuators for different components, than to figure out complex mechanical interactions. So I would say that it's actually more high tech in terms of pure mechanics than most machines being designed today.
It’s very pleasant to see you figuring out how it works from a bunch of bent parts
Beautiful bandsaw. It makes less noise than my 12 Sears Craftsman saw does. The drive set up for that spreading is very interesting to me. Thank you for sharing with us.
Restoration is always a learning process. Thanks for sharing, Dave
I really appreciate you taking the time to show the thought process that goes into figuring it out. That is the part that is hardest to learn on your own.
Speaking for myself, next to the Borax wagons, this spreader is the most intriguing project I've seen you tackle.
I recently reviewed some Borax videos.
My vote is the Borax wagons is your number one effort. This manure spreader is number 2.
The buggies, wagons, coaches, and other horse-drawn equipment don't have the integrated mechanisms this spreader has.
You are a true treasure of old school methods.
Now you see it and it works great. Crazy how folks who bend those rod by abusing them, really have no idea how they work and they tie animals to them, try to climb on them and use them for lifting points when the spreader gets stuck or froze to the ground. It looks so good with all the straightened rods and levers. You fixed it right again. Thanks so much for sharing. Fred.
I've been fascinated with this spreader since day one,
even at the expense of doing my chores.
Wrong gear ? ?
There was a lesson there for all of us. Thanks for showing us.
The Ships saw that Sampson Boat Co used to build Tally Ho was truly impressive
Before this spreader, someone stood on the back of a horse drawn wagon and pitched the muck overboard with a pitchfork. It's amazing to see the intricacy and complexity that went into mechanizing that simple procedure.
Yep, it is terrible, that poor guy slinging the manure manually probably got sacked because of all this modern high-tech machinery. 😩😅
That press you have seems to be one of the most useful tools in your workshop, although it certainly needs your skills to use it well. Another excellent video, as always. I always learn something useful from them, even if I'm NOT in the wagon trade!
Restoring old machinery is an adventure in itself. Not only do you see how they did it, but why they did it just so.
A bit of head scratching and sleuthing turns to sheer admiration once you understand. Then delight for having 'eavesdropped' on their ingenuity.
You really are a true craftsman, Thank You for allowing us to come along....................Jay
Thanks again Dave. Live and learn. Can’t go wrong with that.
Another great video Dave. Detective work to ascertain the actual function of the key components. Stay safe & well.
I'd much rather have a lovely old bandsaw like yours, thats lasted decades and will last many more compared to a lot of the junk nowadays.
Amazing all the parts that are needed to operate the spreader and the engineering of that time. We are all learning as you go. Nice job thanks have fun.
Your press makes me green with envy. At my age I'm beginning to think about getting rid of tools instead of buying more. My press has always been the bench vice or the hammer and anvil...
David your intuition is amazing. The gear works and the adjustments that have been necessary to make that ole spreader function.
Under ur tutelage I have learn much...sumtimes I'm actually a few steps ahead of you...cool
Ceases to blow my mind how ingenious the old machinery was. Mr Engels thank you for this content really is amazing.
Your mechanical and woodworking skills and your problem solving aptitude never cease to amaze me! Yours is my still absolute favorite TH-cam channel.
Thank you.
Early 20th century alternative to the "Tight/Loose Pully" for gear drives. The gears are continuously engaged and the "dogs" do all the work.
Yes indeed the new motor is NOTICEABLY quieter🤠👍🏽
The machine in your shop I am most impressed by this that press... and the fellow that operates it.
Always fascinating watching the process and thinking behind how and why. Good stuff!
The mechanics of the old stuff is very cool. I love your press by the way....
Couldn't possibly be more fun to share this journey with you sir, thanks!
You amaze me the way you bend-unbend rods and bars of metal and get it right. The spreader is looking great. Are you sure you want to use it? It 's so clean and new looking and to get it dirty would be a shame. Anyways, another great video and learning session.
Again Dave there are not any mysteries left in your shop at all, spreader is looking good.
Dave that bandsaw is a lot quieter but like you I would have thought it's just a noisy band saw. Thanks for sharing all of the information.
Sure would like to purchase that one-piece front axle hound hanging on the wall for my grandpa's wagon...
Hence the old Adage, "You can't see the Forest, for the trees". and once again you made me Drool! with that Hydraulic Press.! Man! I love that thing!. I just moan with excitement every time I see you use it. But at 81 yrs old I just can't justify looking for one not now anyway maybe someday!. Spreader is coming along, and looks just great! thanks for sharing! ECF.
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Excelente episodio! Cuantas cosas aprendo por estas latitudes sobre artefactos que por esta región creo que no se conocen. Una clase magistral. Gracias por compartirlo! Un abrazo!
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I’m a deaf guy and I am not surprised you did not think that noise was the motor. It’s just sounds like all the machinery together. The after is just the saw. Funny.
nail for a drift punch. the old folks taught you well.
I agree, with the addition of those extra side boards, manure coming out the side will be de-turd.
3-phase power is so cool! Expensive to run the power, but the motors are pretty reasonably priced. I love the way that the motors are self-starting and can be reversed by switching any 2 phase supply wires.
All the guards and fluff do not necessarily make a machine safer. The best safety device is a careful operator. Yeah, yeah, you still get hurt if you aren't being careful but at least you can see the moving parts and your proximity to them.
Dave, do you take pictures of these basket cases as well as the videos? They are a help but I never seem to have just the one that would help the most.
You never cease to amaze me with how easy you make straightening iron rods look, it would probably take me hours to make them look even remotely straight. Can't wait to see this spreader on the move when you have finished. ❤
Dave, I thinking that with that new motor, yours is even quieter than my RIkon 10" that I purchased couple of years ago.
Ingenious mechanism, considering the technology of the time. Very interesting.
That is some fascinating mechanics. I'd not have figured it out.
Detective Engel's is close to solving another case by steadily piecing the many clues together.
I’ve never seen a cotter pin hold on with such tenacity.
I've seen a bandsaw blade break and come off the wheels. You don't want it near your hands when it does. After that, I became a firm believer in safety shrouds.
Most anticipated videos ever
That old bandsaw is a great piece. The wide pulleys mean that it was originally in a shop with a centralized power source, either a steam engine or a water wheel, that drove a system of master belts and shafts. There is or was a working waterwheel-driven foundry in Sutter Creek, Caliornia, called the Knight Foundry. All the machinery, hammers, lathes, milling machines are driven by leather belts from the Pelton Wheel, which receives water from the creek.
Busting out the fire. Can't be stuck if it's liquid. As always, love the videos, Dave.
I am truly impressed with your mechanical skills combined with your ability to untangle the mystery of how everything in this project works. A willingness to make mistakes and learn from the experience and adjust to your discoveries in the process is a sign of true genius.
Definitely, you can hear the old motor more than the new motor. You hear the old motor and then you hear the blade engaging the wood with the new motor.. 👍
Happy Tuesday Dave!
4:19 had this problem myself with a lathe. It had always been noisy, which (because the motor is internal to the lathe) had always kept me in fear of some sort of gear train issue. I checked, double checked ... nada, nothing. It's a stout lathe. One day, i took out the motor to clean the bottom tray and did some cleanup on the motor too. Quiet. Not a single peep from it. At first i thought i'd burnt it, until i engaged the gear. I don't even know what the noise was, but the motor is now smoothly running and all i did was cleanup some of the gunk and replaced one of the phase wires. Motors can be weird like that.
Your knowledge can only be described as AMAZING. Thanks for all your videos of the OLD WEST !!!!!!!!!!
I thought that saw was a Silver. Yeah, they didn't use guards that often back then. Truth is a bandsaw is not as likely to hurt you as table saw. if the band breaks, then it generally stops moving in less than a second. That said, if you move your arm into the way of the blade, it will cut you. But of course even if there WERE guards, that section of blade that is cutting, can still be what gets you if you lose focus and aren't careful.
Looks like there is a bit of play in that drive wheel also Dave, which probably is the majority of the noise you still hear. Note how the motor goes up and down? That pulley is not centered. What speed is the motor? I have a Tannewitz 30", 3 hp 980 rpm. I use a VFD inverter to obtain the 3 phase. Nice thing on that is that you can vary the speed of the saw. Doesn't sound important but often certain speeds impose harmonics and make for vibration. Having it adjustable really helps in that.
What's interesting about mentioning Keith Rucker while he is working on his bandsaw, Rucker himself has just finished rebuilding a huge old bandsaw.
That bandsaw for Jimmy Diresta was just crazy. Keith did such a beautiful job with in down to the pin-striping. Jimmy has posted one video of it being used (so far).
Detective Engels great job Sir
Well sir, if anybody can get it puzzled out, you would be the guy to do it. Nice job. Your band saw with Babbitt bearings, they are a real sweet bearing system as long as they are maintained. I was at one time involved in pouring and machining those types of bearing, the biggest bearing I have poured were 6” ID bearing for electric motors, they had cast iron housing. They were pressurized bearing meaning when the start switch was hit it would delay the motor start for a few seconds so the oil could be pressurized to lift the motor shaft some then as it started rotating the theory was the shaft would continually run on a film of oil, those motors did run very smooth and were high speed motors. Thanks for the update, enjoyed watching.
As a gunsmith I am always amazed at what I have overlooked.
Thanks again for the interesting and informative video. There’s always something new to learn and understand.
Thanks Dave
You are doing very well!
The lady arriving into town was a stranger to all except one man.
The Horse-man-ure!
It is a pleasure to watch you work Dave. The mechanical wheels on this spreader are not the only wheels at work. I appreciate you spending the time with us as you work through each challenge. My dad was raised on a farm with four other brothers and they had to fix a lot of equipment to keep things running with their dad who was born in 1876! Horses did all the work until after WWII!
Afternoon all. Great job Dave!
So funny, I'll never miss all the extra noise!
Project is looking great!
It’s sometimes surprising how much we become accustomed to something that changes gradually despite being very aware of changes that others don’t hear.
A prime example is hearing something different in your vehicle that someone else doesn’t notice.
As for how dangerous your bandsaw is Dave. It’s not anymore dangerous than my 14” bandsaw because anyone using it should know not to put their hands into the spinny bits that all newer (than yours) have covered. My blade is still just as exposed as yours when I’m cutting.
live and learn indeed!
Here's hoping you get your manure speader done in time for lead up to the elections!! Great videos, thank you!
we had an old band saw that came out of a crate factory . It also had Babbit bearings . Also it did not have any guards on it ( dad built some plywood housings for it ) it had 36" wheels and stood 9' tall with a one horse motor the blade was 15' long .
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Dave, have to reclassify you to “Genius Magician “, watched you magically turn mangled pieces of iron into a working mechanism, pure freak’n magic!
That is a beautiful old band saw, and a couple of shrouds on those drive wheels would make it no less beautiful and a mile safer. It's all very well for an experienced old hand like you to use it, as you will be listening and watching and know when you are pushing it hard, but imagine if your work experience lad (I forget his name) had a go.
Interesting venture
Another fine show. You might want to put the bend back into that part so the lower gear does not disengage from the larger gear while under stress of moving that much BS .
I hope you include th.e manufacturing of the clip in video. I am always intrigued by metal smithing
Amazing detective work. Looking forward to seeing it working Kdd
A nice big Case steam tractor would make a great job of running that bandsaw 😁 the curved boards add style to the manure spreader, if that were possible!