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1988 season for Jordan, MVP, DPOY, Scoring Champ with 35 PPG, Steals Champ with 3.2 steals per game. His second season recording over 100 blocks in a season and over 200 steals in a season. Only 3 players have done so and Jordan is the only one to do so twice.... in 87 and 88. He went off. (BTW, MJ played 11 full seasons with the Bulls.... how many seasons were on the top 50..... 11.... every bloody full year with the bulls he put up some of the best individual performances of anyone all time).
@@jaws1698 damn lol I love finding out new stats for mj. he had 142 in 88 and I just found out he has the most blocks in a regular season with 893 & most blocks per game with 0.9, among all guards.. back when I used to watch espn, I was always shocked at how often mj was included in some obscure static when they were trying to highlight some random player's accomplishment. in the corner, it'll have the rest of the players who also achieved it, like a top 3 or 5.. I would always laugh seeing mj's name included because they'd always be some stat people never think about and lo and be fucking hold, mj had done it.
The deeper you go the more you see that MJ did things that no other player has ever done OR did something multiple times where others have done it once...MJ = GOAT
Until MJ came along I don't remember 'the goat' being much of a thing anybody talked about. And I grew up watching Big O, Wilt, and going to see our ABA team play Dr J and those guys. Bobby Knight called it when he said he never saw anybody as good as Jordan.
The GOAT MJ, respect to bron, he's one of the best, a legend. MJ is literally a different breed. there a lot of legends that if was gifted with physique or not lacking in every skill category then they wouldve been close MJ or even better.
Excellent video, sir! And your growth as basketball fan in understanding and being willing to see for yourself that there have been many greats throughout history in the sport is good to see. I've seen so many LeBron fans who, no matter how much evidence they see that he's great, but not the greatest, refuse to acknowledge the truth. Thank you for taking the time to do the homework, and appreciate those who came before LeBron rather than just bashing them because you wouldn't accept the facts. Keep going. It's fun to watch you evolve.👍
The thing is I’m not even a Lebron fan and I’m a KD fan I just hate the amount of disrespect Lebron gets when it comes him being in the goat debate. I appreciate you seeing my growth in understanding the game!!
@@queztheplug I do believe he gets so much hate due to him always spinning media narratives to excuse his shortcomings failures rather than confronting them head-on and owning up to it. Older fans like myself see that as blame-deflection. He wants all the credit when they win (like when they won against GSW and he claimed that made him the GOAT, but he wasn't the one who made the final shot to win it), but he has the media blame others when they lose, or he brings up a different subject to distract people from his losses. He does it, and we can see it very clearly. Don't get me wrong. When the Bulls would lose, the media blamed Scottie Pippen very unfairly at times, but MJ never blamed his teammates. Accountability matters to fans and it SHOULD matter to the players themselves. It just looks like LeBron wants to dodge accountability in his low moments. That stunts your growth as a person and a player. I see in today's league that it's biggest stars also seem at times like the laziest players. They don't like to practice, they want to sit out games, they fake injuries, etc. They're cheating the average NBA fan who works all week to buy a ticket to see them only to find out the player they came to see it sitting out that game. The greats of times past didn't do that. They felt they owed it to the fans to go out there and play and win.
And if he did not retire in 94 and if he played the season in 95 instead of just 17 games he could have won 1 more mvp 2 more scoring titles 2 more 1st all defense team kept his.his 31.5 scoring average instead of 30.5 and so on and so on. Plus rank 2 more spots on jxmys video 😂
if were being honest mj could of won as many mvps as he had scoring titles. I mean based on this it certainly shows he was the best player. Hell I still wonder how much more he could of accomplished if he hadn't retired twice too soon. Ya gotta think he gets more of everything maybe even rings too. It's crazy to think that with a resume that untouchable there was still a high possibility for more.
@@devinpoole4528 Team record will and should always be a factor in the MVP award. 86-87 Bulls were just 40-42 and it would be odd to credit a player from that team with the MVP award. I do believe he should have won a total of 9 MVPs though, basically every full season with the Bulls starting with his MVP win in 87-88.
MJ played in 13 full seasons (15 total) and still managed to make this list 11 times!!!! LeBron's a great player, and after playing in 20 seasons, he only made this list 5 times....no where near the level of excellence that MJ was/is...to think that MJ's score would've been higher if he had won those 3 other MVPs instead of Magic, Barkley, and Karl Malone....that's insane!!!
I didn’t expect Bird to have a top season because he never played for stats, only for his team to win. One time, he was 1 steal away from a quadruple double at the end of the 3rd quarter, and sat out the rest of the game because they were ahead by 20+ and “I did enough damage”.
Context matters. What do you mean by value winning too much? That's like saying you value fueling your car too much and not caring about your ultimate destination. No petro, no +charge, YOU NOT GOING ANYWHERE. Winning Championships is the highest honour you can get. It's the very last obstacle placed around every June. This is the NBA's paradise. If it wasn't important they would just start that bad boy in November and skip the full season. The other thing is playing at a very superstar high level without load management and wanting all the smoke MATTERS. That's fueling your tank Also taking into count going against the most resistance also matters. To do that and win? THATS GREATNESS. This is exactly why MJ is the GOAT unanimously worldwide. It's not close in the slightest as you can see in Jimmy's impeccable well-validated video. Lastly, Bird vs Bron. If this was head to head. Let's say 1986 Celtics vs. 2016 Cavs or any of those Heat teams. I'm taking Larry Joe and that great frontcourt. What the video Jimmy doesn't reveal is head-to-head scenarios. Larry was a better shooter, rebounder, and passer when it mattered the most than Bron. Bron has athletic ability. [suspect] Game on the line? who do you want Bron or Bird? Larry Joe all day. Larry actually made his teams better, Bron did not. Watch Sports Fitness Rants for that breakdown. Have a good one.
I love that you “did your research and changed your mind” as far as the GOAT debate goes. Most people seem to think we Jordan fans hate LeBron - and maybe some do - but really most of us love LeBron and we just hate hearing people say he’s better than prime Jordan was. It’s the same thing with hating when people try to say the Earth is flat. (Shout-out to Kyrie.)
The tree at the end right there is great way to develop the all-time great pyramid (considering only prime years). MJ is SS tier, Lebron to Harden is S Tier, people scoring less than Harden but still above 500 are A Tier and so on. One thing I'd be interested to know though (I think it is impossible given we don't have data prior to 1975), is what would the tree look like if we had data in the 60s-70s and another, what would the tree look like if we considered all years played, not just prime years.
My top 30 all time: #30 David Robinson #29 Charles Barkley #28 Isiah Thomas #27 Bill Walton #26 John Stockton #25 Dirk Nowitzki #24 Giannis Antetokounmpo #23 Nikola Jokić #22 Dominique Wilkins #21 Rick Barry #20 Dwayne Wade #19 Kevin Garnett #18 John Havlicek #17 Julius Erving #16 Jerry West #15 Moses Malone #14 Bill Russell #13 Oscar Robertson #12 Kevin Durant #11 Steph Curry #10 Hakeem Olajuwon #9 Tim Duncan #8 Kobe Bryant #7 Shaquille O’Neil #6 Lebron James #5 Magic Johnson #4 Larry Bird #3 Wilt Chamberlain #2 Kareem Abdul Jabar #1 Michael Jordan
This video just showed what everyone already knew. Mjs on another planet compared to everyone else lebron included. The goat debate is fun but its not really much of an argument.
You'll have to say which season Lebron was robbed of a regular season MVP. 2011 Derrick Rose took a team with inferior talent top the top of the Eastern conference standings. 2014 KD lead OKC to the best record on a stacked Western conference. Steph Curry lead the warriors to the best to 67 win regular season. He followed it up in 2016 by being the only playing in NBA history to win MVP unanimously. In 2017 Westbrook won it by averaging a triple double. Something Lebron could only do in "theory", but couldn't come close to accomplishing it. 2018 James Harden lead the rockets to 65 wins, won the scoring title, and was one of the league leaders in assists. 2019 Giannis won the MVP by being a top scorers and one of the 3 best defenders in the league. While leading the bucks to the best record in the eastern conference. 2020 He came back to have an even better season statistically, while also winning the DPOY award. 2021 Jokic won it without his having his sidekick, and having a statistically dominant season. 2022 he came back and had an even more dominant season, almost being the first center to average a triple double. Well you know who won it 2023. So when was Lebron robbed? Which MVP was given that award unjustifiable.
I’ll say I’m 2011 I’m giving that MVP to Lebron I’m sorry. KD deserved that MVP. But it’s a couple more years Lebron could have more i just have to look into it
In 2006 Dirk Nowitzki got robbed of MVP, not Kobe. Not only did Dirk lead the Mavs to 60 wins (5 more wins than Nash), but Dirk didn't have another current all Star OR future Hall of Famer on his team. And he won 60 games in the WESTERN conference! Dirk also led the league in win shares that season. Kobe had an amazing individual season in 2006, but his team only won 45 games. LeBron should have maybe one more MVP than he currently has. The media has been trying to give LeBron one more MVP for almost a decade now. Kevin Durant played out of his mind in 2014, and the media was still trying to figure out a way to give LeBron the MVP award instead of KD. They almost tried to do the same thing to Giannis in 2021.
if we start value stat more than rings ...then the future star players will start focus on stat chasing than winning title...winning is the only way to judge player greatness...that way player will work hard to win since you can only have one winner per season..or you want a bunch of stars chasing stat instead of winning game? you want all players just play for stat or for championship? when people dont value championship as much then dont blame the players when they just chase stat than winning game. be careful for what you wish for..my friend
@@queztheplug i think undervalue is strong word to use...no one is saying Dennis Rodman is the better PF than Malone and Barkley because Rodman has 5 rings while both Malone and Barkley dont...but if you compare about greatness then you need to include team achievement since basketball is a team game...you have individual performance sothat your team can win...if your team cant win..what the point of individual performance then? just so it look good in your resume? stat and winning go together hand in hand...i saw how a young Michael Jordan started from a rookie who want to do everything himself and evolved into a player that work with teammate more and score within the system and improve his team overall performance..imagine now the fans saying Jordan is the best player base on stat that he dont need rings to prove himself...then Jordan will still be the player that focus on his performance and do everything himself..but since fan did critize Jordan for no winning a ring..it force Jordan to improve himself and relied more on teammate by wanting to win a ring...if Jordan didnt had this kind " undervalue" critic to force him..we wont get to see the Jordan we see now or most the legend we see now..sometime shame is what make us strong and better while praise make us complacent and stop improving...im not not saying praising is bad but you praise a player just because of his good stat and he havent win anything yet then you creating a bad culture in sport..i will rather start praising the player when he has establish himself and win samething...
MJ'S peak ended after his 1st. Ring. I've said it a million times, Kobe is a more skillfull homage to a post baseball MJ. The pre ring MJ was not human, which is why dudes like Gil take shots at the Champion version of Mike, because Kobe was able to replicate it. Nobody was even close to pre dynasty MJ athletically.
@@queztheplugThat's what he said also. It wasn't that he couldn't. He became a better shooter and understanding of the game increased. Using pump fakes, understanding angels, do just enough to get your opponent off balance. You attempt to double team him on a post, he could instantly dissect where and when it was going to come and simply spin away from it into fade away jumper. BJ Armstrong said Micheal learned how to get his shot with 2 to 3 dribbles. That's why Kobe said Michael was very efficient: not a lot of dribbling can get to his spots with less, Not a lot of wasted motion. You see that in Kobe's game as his career advanced
Larry bird or magic Johnson is low only because they got good teammates, you can see most of the best season in this video, the super star have to do all thing on their team, so they got good stats and season score.
Bird was never a stat guy. He did what he needed to do to win. Now to talk crap he’d say how much he’d score, but against bad teams he’d do enough just to win. The sorry teams and garbage time is where guys like Kobe and Lebron would stay in the game to get numbers. In the 80s and 90s every team had at least one goon that would be sent out to take out anyone trying to rub it in and get stats. Teams took that stuff personnal
Bird never lost one playoff game to MJ. Bird never got swept, EVER. Bird never showed his a$$ because he stunk up the joint. Bird never scored 8 friggin points in a Finals game. LeFraud is the worst player I have ever seen even being in the conversation.
Lebron actually won 2 MVPS with the Heat that he should not have won because they were a Superteam! It’s the reason why KD and Curry couldn’t win MVP while playing together!
See the thing is stats don't tell the whole story. MVP.. Most Valuable Player. i think that is a combination of your stats + what you acomplished with them. I think this is the reason the goat debate is hard to decide, is hard to argue someone that only sees stats and never saw MJ play. is just like that guy said in the goat debate video, We need to put context to stats.
Kobe was never robbed. Steve Nash made an ok team a contender. Kobe’s prime years with Shaq or Gasol/Bynum they underachieved and even missed the playoffs. MVP lead team to miss playoffs or get first round bounce?
wizards jordan was torching both the nets team that went to the finals back to back if only he didt get injured and if joined win a winning team instead of a team with a loosing record he might have 2 more rings, and if he did not retire in 94 and 95 he could have 1 more mvp 2 more scoring titles and 2 more first team all defense he miss those 2 prime years that metric score would have reach super siayan scores @@queztheplug
Not really. The bulls wouldve never gotten those 6 wins without jordan. Meanwhile lebron implodes damn near every finals. I'd say thats pretty important. You play to win. If you cant make your team win then your value drops significantly. Jordan is 6-0 never let a series go to game 7. Not to mention he leads in damn near every stat. By your logic getting sweeped in the finals is also whatever then
It's much easier to score in today's NBA no hand checking you can't guard ninety four feet and if you touch someone it's a foul period so yes I love these guys today but let's face it guys can not get physical with them and more importantly the spacing is not the same so yes they have a huge advantage today period
Dont include 1986...and 1995 where jordan didnt play more than a half of 82 game....jordan played in 1986 less than 20 games and so 1995....so it must not include therefore only 13 seasons minus wizards days where he only played bcoz of request and being one of the owner of franchise....meaning only 11 full seasons....
Well what do you strive for when you start playing basketball....... to win championships one day in the NBA, that is the ultimate goal after all. So stats mean nothing although Jordan owns most of them...... the most important one........ winning every single Championship he was in that includes two three-peats in 8 years....... debate over
Y’all love to disrespect Steve Nash based on nothing but ppg go watch the new thinking basketball video on Steve Nash’s and how impactful his offense was.
mvps are a combination of godly stats team postion and good story or narative and voter fatigue, steve nash finish 2nd or 3rd at the next season i think behind dirk? he could have won 3 straight if he did imagine the outcry from other nba players fans,yeah steves impact was undertad and often overlook , if kobe just won a couple of games more maybe they would have given it to him, if im not mistaken that was the time that most of the lakers starters got injured thats why they didnt rank higher besides that kobe didnt have a better teamates at that time. ive seen that vid by thinking basketball and i think hes spot on with the steve nash take. what i didt agree was when he said jordans handles was lacking, i mean jordans style was precise and surgical according to kobe and his handles was just the right amount not to waste energy.
Dirk had a better season than Nash and Kobe in 2006 if we're taking winning into account, and he won MVP the following season. It took Dirk leading his team to 67 wins without another All Star instead of "just" 60 wins like in the prior season, for the league to finally award him the MVP.@@queztheplug
Hmm, value winning too much?? wouldn't make any teams from my era. That comment is something that someone who's never won would say. "you play the games to" what?? "WIN"! Helloooo!
@queztheplug We value winning too much?!! Are you serious?!! See, that's the fundamental difference between your generation and mine. Because the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE of the sport is to WIN a title. But let y'all tell it, just "making the finals" or putting up triple doubles is more important. Somehow, your generation deems the pursuit of winning as 'toxic' ...SMH 😒
@queztheplug No, he's not. Because the GOAT criteria is more nuanced than that. It's a combination of individual dominance, impact, and, yes, winning. And that's what COMPLETELY separates MJ from Bill Russell (RIP). And it's not even close.
🤣🤣🤣 “Y’all value winning too much” Excuse us, it’s only sports. Winning is a key factor. What player plays or what fan watches just to see stats get padded? If that’s the case why do Bron fans worship at the temple of his comeback series against GSW? Please get us Jordan fans out of your head. Not every comment needs to be about Jordan’s 6 rings. You can spend just as much time talking about Bron’s 6 failures instead since winning doesn’t matter that much😂.
hes been watching other greats from diffirent eras and doing hes research with context not just stats. hes a fan of the game of basketball now not just a couple of players but the greats that the game have produce
Winning is valued too much, a prime example is Bill Russel and wilt chamberlain. Who’s the better player? Wilt Chamberlain is the better player but Bill Russel is constantly ranked above him because he has 11 rings.
@@queztheplug I understand that ( your POV) but look at like this bill Russell delivered 11 out of 12 finals yes his comp may have been way different with only 8 teams in the league but he delivered. Winning the ring along with your season accomplishments just take you another level… for example Allen Iverson just imagine how more greater he woulda been with a ring even in other sports Ken Griffey Jr was a cold baseball player and Barry bonds but they don’t have a ring
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1988 season for Jordan, MVP, DPOY, Scoring Champ with 35 PPG, Steals Champ with 3.2 steals per game. His second season recording over 100 blocks in a season and over 200 steals in a season. Only 3 players have done so and Jordan is the only one to do so twice.... in 87 and 88. He went off.
(BTW, MJ played 11 full seasons with the Bulls.... how many seasons were on the top 50..... 11.... every bloody full year with the bulls he put up some of the best individual performances of anyone all time).
You forgot he also had the most blocked shots by a guard in a single season ever that year. 132 I believe
@@jaws1698 damn lol I love finding out new stats for mj. he had 142 in 88 and I just found out he has the most blocks in a regular season with 893 & most blocks per game with 0.9, among all guards..
back when I used to watch espn, I was always shocked at how often mj was included in some obscure static when they were trying to highlight some random player's accomplishment. in the corner, it'll have the rest of the players who also achieved it, like a top 3 or 5.. I would always laugh seeing mj's name included because they'd always be some stat people never think about and lo and be fucking hold, mj had done it.
The deeper you go the more you see that MJ did things that no other player has ever done OR did something multiple times where others have done it once...MJ = GOAT
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damn.. MJ played 11 full seasons as Bulls and all 11 seasons are top 50 NBA greatest seasons
Jordan's peak was so fragging high he was schooling Charlotte Hornet's young NBA stars on-court when he was at his 50s
Until MJ came along I don't remember 'the goat' being much of a thing anybody talked about. And I grew up watching Big O, Wilt, and going to see our ABA team play Dr J and those guys. Bobby Knight called it when he said he never saw anybody as good as Jordan.
@user-pw2ro7gt4r He came to town in an ABA exhibition game against David Thompson. You can imagine all the dunks in that game.
he called it before MJ even got to the nba.
Jordan is like the most all rounder player
Good shit man. You see why we always said there's jordan, and then there's the rest.
The GOAT MJ, respect to bron, he's one of the best, a legend.
MJ is literally a different breed.
there a lot of legends that if was gifted with physique or not lacking in every skill category then they wouldve been close MJ or even better.
Excellent video, sir! And your growth as basketball fan in understanding and being willing to see for yourself that there have been many greats throughout history in the sport is good to see. I've seen so many LeBron fans who, no matter how much evidence they see that he's great, but not the greatest, refuse to acknowledge the truth. Thank you for taking the time to do the homework, and appreciate those who came before LeBron rather than just bashing them because you wouldn't accept the facts. Keep going. It's fun to watch you evolve.👍
The thing is I’m not even a Lebron fan and I’m a KD fan I just hate the amount of disrespect Lebron gets when it comes him being in the goat debate. I appreciate you seeing my growth in understanding the game!!
@@queztheplug I do believe he gets so much hate due to him always spinning media narratives to excuse his shortcomings failures rather than confronting them head-on and owning up to it. Older fans like myself see that as blame-deflection. He wants all the credit when they win (like when they won against GSW and he claimed that made him the GOAT, but he wasn't the one who made the final shot to win it), but he has the media blame others when they lose, or he brings up a different subject to distract people from his losses. He does it, and we can see it very clearly.
Don't get me wrong. When the Bulls would lose, the media blamed Scottie Pippen very unfairly at times, but MJ never blamed his teammates. Accountability matters to fans and it SHOULD matter to the players themselves. It just looks like LeBron wants to dodge accountability in his low moments. That stunts your growth as a person and a player.
I see in today's league that it's biggest stars also seem at times like the laziest players. They don't like to practice, they want to sit out games, they fake injuries, etc. They're cheating the average NBA fan who works all week to buy a ticket to see them only to find out the player they came to see it sitting out that game. The greats of times past didn't do that. They felt they owed it to the fans to go out there and play and win.
Jordan should have won 7 MVPs. One in 1990 and the other in 1997.
And if he did not retire in 94 and if he played the season in 95 instead of just 17 games he could have won 1 more mvp 2 more scoring titles 2 more 1st all defense team kept his.his 31.5 scoring average instead of 30.5 and so on and so on. Plus rank 2 more spots on jxmys video 😂
if were being honest mj could of won as many mvps as he had scoring titles. I mean based on this it certainly shows he was the best player. Hell I still wonder how much more he could of accomplished if he hadn't retired twice too soon. Ya gotta think he gets more of everything maybe even rings too. It's crazy to think that with a resume that untouchable there was still a high possibility for more.
@@devinpoole4528 Team record will and should always be a factor in the MVP award. 86-87 Bulls were just 40-42 and it would be odd to credit a player from that team with the MVP award. I do believe he should have won a total of 9 MVPs though, basically every full season with the Bulls starting with his MVP win in 87-88.
89 , 90 as well
MJ played in 13 full seasons (15 total) and still managed to make this list 11 times!!!! LeBron's a great player, and after playing in 20 seasons, he only made this list 5 times....no where near the level of excellence that MJ was/is...to think that MJ's score would've been higher if he had won those 3 other MVPs instead of Magic, Barkley, and Karl Malone....that's insane!!!
The more you look into the number the more of an alien Jordan becomes.
I absolutely love watching you young people learn your own history!!!!
I didn’t expect Bird to have a top season because he never played for stats, only for his team to win. One time, he was 1 steal away from a quadruple double at the end of the 3rd quarter, and sat out the rest of the game because they were ahead by 20+ and “I did enough damage”.
Context matters. What do you mean by value winning too much?
That's like saying you value fueling your car too much and not caring about your ultimate destination. No petro, no +charge, YOU NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
Winning Championships is the highest honour you can get.
It's the very last obstacle placed around every June. This is the NBA's paradise.
If it wasn't important they would just start that bad boy in November and skip the full season. The other thing is playing at a very superstar high level without load management and wanting all the smoke MATTERS. That's fueling your tank Also taking into count going against the most resistance also matters.
To do that and win? THATS GREATNESS. This is exactly why MJ is the GOAT unanimously worldwide. It's not close in the slightest as you can see in Jimmy's impeccable well-validated video.
Lastly, Bird vs Bron. If this was head to head. Let's say 1986 Celtics vs. 2016 Cavs or any of those Heat teams. I'm taking Larry Joe and that great frontcourt. What the video Jimmy doesn't reveal is head-to-head scenarios. Larry was a better shooter, rebounder, and passer when it mattered the most than Bron. Bron has athletic ability. [suspect]
Game on the line? who do you want Bron or Bird? Larry Joe all day.
Larry actually made his teams better, Bron did not.
Watch Sports Fitness Rants for that breakdown.
Have a good one.
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I want you to see a clip Hakeem vs Jordan. I forgot the video clip name. It was a very intense video . Jordan is another level
Find it for me I’m interested in watching it 😂
This is why I'll always say until the day I die that Michael Jordan is and always will be the G.O.A.T.
Great video, i just wish jordan could play now with out a being guarded🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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I 100% agree with you about Kobe and Nash. Kobe should have had MVP. And I was a Sonics fan who never rooted for Kobe. Still thought he was robbed.
I love that you “did your research and changed your mind” as far as the GOAT debate goes. Most people seem to think we Jordan fans hate LeBron - and maybe some do - but really most of us love LeBron and we just hate hearing people say he’s better than prime Jordan was. It’s the same thing with hating when people try to say the Earth is flat. (Shout-out to Kyrie.)
The tree at the end right there is great way to develop the all-time great pyramid (considering only prime years). MJ is SS tier, Lebron to Harden is S Tier, people scoring less than Harden but still above 500 are A Tier and so on. One thing I'd be interested to know though (I think it is impossible given we don't have data prior to 1975), is what would the tree look like if we had data in the 60s-70s and another, what would the tree look like if we considered all years played, not just prime years.
@20:50 That's what us oldheads mean...
A tier - *30 players - Steph, KD, Giannis, Shaq, Isiah,...
S tier - Kobe, Lebron, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, Oscar, Wilt, Bird
god tier - Jordan
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Yea it’s crazy how underrated he is
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My top 30 all time:
#30 David Robinson
#29 Charles Barkley
#28 Isiah Thomas
#27 Bill Walton
#26 John Stockton
#25 Dirk Nowitzki
#24 Giannis Antetokounmpo
#23 Nikola Jokić
#22 Dominique Wilkins
#21 Rick Barry
#20 Dwayne Wade
#19 Kevin Garnett
#18 John Havlicek
#17 Julius Erving
#16 Jerry West
#15 Moses Malone
#14 Bill Russell
#13 Oscar Robertson
#12 Kevin Durant
#11 Steph Curry
#10 Hakeem Olajuwon
#9 Tim Duncan
#8 Kobe Bryant
#7 Shaquille O’Neil
#6 Lebron James
#5 Magic Johnson
#4 Larry Bird
#3 Wilt Chamberlain
#2 Kareem Abdul Jabar
#1 Michael Jordan
Having Lebron at #6 is criminal
@@queztheplug yes he is not top 10 😂😂😂
This video just showed what everyone already knew. Mjs on another planet compared to everyone else lebron included. The goat debate is fun but its not really much of an argument.
You'll have to say which season Lebron was robbed of a regular season MVP. 2011 Derrick Rose took a team with inferior talent top the top of the Eastern conference standings. 2014 KD lead OKC to the best record on a stacked Western conference. Steph Curry lead the warriors to the best to 67 win regular season. He followed it up in 2016 by being the only playing in NBA history to win MVP unanimously. In 2017 Westbrook won it by averaging a triple double. Something Lebron could only do in "theory", but couldn't come close to accomplishing it. 2018 James Harden lead the rockets to 65 wins, won the scoring title, and was one of the league leaders in assists. 2019 Giannis won the MVP by being a top scorers and one of the 3 best defenders in the league. While leading the bucks to the best record in the eastern conference. 2020 He came back to have an even better season statistically, while also winning the DPOY award. 2021 Jokic won it without his having his sidekick, and having a statistically dominant season. 2022 he came back and had an even more dominant season, almost being the first center to average a triple double. Well you know who won it 2023. So when was Lebron robbed? Which MVP was given that award unjustifiable.
I’ll say I’m 2011 I’m giving that MVP to Lebron I’m sorry. KD deserved that MVP. But it’s a couple more years Lebron could have more i just have to look into it
Great Vid!!!!
Thank you!!
This is the generation that put value on chips and getting there…back then chuck was considered the greatest 4 and he didn’t win a chip
In 2006 Dirk Nowitzki got robbed of MVP, not Kobe. Not only did Dirk lead the Mavs to 60 wins (5 more wins than Nash), but Dirk didn't have another current all Star OR future Hall of Famer on his team. And he won 60 games in the WESTERN conference! Dirk also led the league in win shares that season. Kobe had an amazing individual season in 2006, but his team only won 45 games.
LeBron should have maybe one more MVP than he currently has. The media has been trying to give LeBron one more MVP for almost a decade now. Kevin Durant played out of his mind in 2014, and the media was still trying to figure out a way to give LeBron the MVP award instead of KD. They almost tried to do the same thing to Giannis in 2021.
I’m going to have to look into that Durk season. But KD definitely deserved that MVP
DPOY is selected by stats, while MVP is voted, correct me if I'm wrong.
Nope. Voted. Ben Wallace won DPOY 4x (tied Dikembe for 1st), but in "statistically" his best defensive year, Ron Artest won it.
13:45 They didnt make the list because Jordan took up 11 of the spots! 😅
Tatum was the only American in the top 5.
It's crazy that Jordan's greatest ever season at 1 and he didn't even make the finals
if we start value stat more than rings ...then the future star players will start focus on stat chasing than winning title...winning is the only way to judge player greatness...that way player will work hard to win since you can only have one winner per season..or you want a bunch of stars chasing stat instead of winning game? you want all players just play for stat or for championship? when people dont value championship as much then dont blame the players when they just chase stat than winning game. be careful for what you wish for..my friend
It’s just we tend to undervalue players because of their teams instead of judging them based on their talent
@@queztheplug i think undervalue is strong word to use...no one is saying Dennis Rodman is the better PF than Malone and Barkley because Rodman has 5 rings while both Malone and Barkley dont...but if you compare about greatness then you need to include team achievement since basketball is a team game...you have individual performance sothat your team can win...if your team cant win..what the point of individual performance then? just so it look good in your resume? stat and winning go together hand in hand...i saw how a young Michael Jordan started from a rookie who want to do everything himself and evolved into a player that work with teammate more and score within the system and improve his team overall performance..imagine now the fans saying Jordan is the best player base on stat that he dont need rings to prove himself...then Jordan will still be the player that focus on his performance and do everything himself..but since fan did critize Jordan for no winning a ring..it force Jordan to improve himself and relied more on teammate by wanting to win a ring...if Jordan didnt had this kind " undervalue" critic to force him..we wont get to see the Jordan we see now or most the legend we see now..sometime shame is what make us strong and better while praise make us complacent and stop improving...im not not saying praising is bad but you praise a player just because of his good stat and he havent win anything yet then you creating a bad culture in sport..i will rather start praising the player when he has establish himself and win samething...
MJ'S peak ended after his 1st. Ring. I've said it a million times, Kobe is a more skillfull homage to a post baseball MJ. The pre ring MJ was not human, which is why dudes like Gil take shots at the Champion version of Mike, because Kobe was able to replicate it. Nobody was even close to pre dynasty MJ athletically.
That’s a interesting take
I feel like as he got older he became more skilled and relied less on his athleticism to score which made him even more deadly
@@queztheplugThat's what he said also. It wasn't that he couldn't. He became a better shooter and understanding of the game increased. Using pump fakes, understanding angels, do just enough to get your opponent off balance. You attempt to double team him on a post, he could instantly dissect where and when it was going to come and simply spin away from it into fade away jumper. BJ Armstrong said Micheal learned how to get his shot with 2 to 3 dribbles. That's why Kobe said Michael was very efficient: not a lot of dribbling can get to his spots with less, Not a lot of wasted motion. You see that in Kobe's game as his career advanced
We don’t value winning too much because the greatest players are going to win a championship!
6:20 prime example is Allen iverson
Lebron actually didn't get robbed of dpoy if you look at the numbers. Gasol beat him in everything that mattered
Larry bird or magic Johnson is low only because they got good teammates, you can see most of the best season in this video, the super star have to do all thing on their team, so they got good stats and season score.
That makes sense magic and Bird always have had great teams from top to bottom so there stats are naturally not going to be as great.
Bird is still #2 on my GOAT list. LeFake is way down around 30 or so.
JORDAN FOREVER THE GOAT
Bird was never a stat guy. He did what he needed to do to win. Now to talk crap he’d say how much he’d score, but against bad teams he’d do enough just to win. The sorry teams and garbage time is where guys like Kobe and Lebron would stay in the game to get numbers. In the 80s and 90s every team had at least one goon that would be sent out to take out anyone trying to rub it in and get stats. Teams took that stuff personnal
Bird never lost one playoff game to MJ. Bird never got swept, EVER. Bird never showed his a$$ because he stunk up the joint. Bird never scored 8 friggin points in a Finals game. LeFraud is the worst player I have ever seen even being in the conversation.
Michael jordan is the goat 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Lebron actually won 2 MVPS with the Heat that he should not have won because they were a Superteam! It’s the reason why KD and Curry couldn’t win MVP while playing together!
See the thing is stats don't tell the whole story. MVP.. Most Valuable Player. i think that is a combination of your stats + what you acomplished with them.
I think this is the reason the goat debate is hard to decide, is hard to argue someone that only sees stats and never saw MJ play. is just like that guy said in the goat debate video, We need to put context to stats.
You play to win the game. PERIOD! So, what are you talking about? People value winning too much. That's what it's about Winning!
I live in Colorado nuggets 😮
Willie the goat maniguaut but his drug use took him down check his story
Kobe was never robbed. Steve Nash made an ok team a contender. Kobe’s prime years with Shaq or Gasol/Bynum they underachieved and even missed the playoffs. MVP lead team to miss playoffs or get first round bounce?
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Ya. Anyone can argue that Lebron is 2nd. But the gap is far. It's literally there MJ and everyone else. 1st...............2nd.3rd.4th and so on.
Yep that’s exactly what I said!!
Is 73-09 but no championship better than a 72-10 and winning that championship???
Quiz , TOP 6 CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS THAN MENTIONED LEBRON JAMES NAME . OTHER THAN THAT DON'T BRING UP HIS NAME. SAY NO MORE.
Michael Jordan was also robbed a few times of the MVP.
Jordan or "lebron " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lebron was literally second on the list lol
@@queztheplug ohkay 2nd place is the 1st place runner up
wizards jordan was torching both the nets team that went to the finals back to back if only he didt get injured and if joined win a winning team instead of a team with a loosing record he might have 2 more rings, and if he did not retire in 94 and 95 he could have 1 more mvp 2 more scoring titles and 2 more first team all defense he miss those 2 prime years that metric score would have reach super siayan scores @@queztheplug
@@badseedent4827 I said “Jordan or Lebron” and they were at the top. I don’t get what’s funny about that😂
Winning is important lol. Thats the main excuse lebron fans use lol.
Never said it wasn’t important it’s just overvalued when we talking about how good a player is
Not really. The bulls wouldve never gotten those 6 wins without jordan. Meanwhile lebron implodes damn near every finals. I'd say thats pretty important. You play to win. If you cant make your team win then your value drops significantly. Jordan is 6-0 never let a series go to game 7. Not to mention he leads in damn near every stat. By your logic getting sweeped in the finals is also whatever then
It's much easier to score in today's NBA no hand checking you can't guard ninety four feet and if you touch someone it's a foul period so yes I love these guys today but let's face it guys can not get physical with them and more importantly the spacing is not the same so yes they have a huge advantage today period
Dont include 1986...and 1995 where jordan didnt play more than a half of 82 game....jordan played in 1986 less than 20 games and so 1995....so it must not include therefore only 13 seasons minus wizards days where he only played bcoz of request and being one of the owner of franchise....meaning only 11 full seasons....
Well what do you strive for when you start playing basketball....... to win championships one day in the NBA, that is the ultimate goal after all. So stats mean nothing although Jordan owns most of them...... the most important one........ winning every single Championship he was in that includes two three-peats in 8 years....... debate over
Y’all love to disrespect Steve Nash based on nothing but ppg go watch the new thinking basketball video on Steve Nash’s and how impactful his offense was.
mvps are a combination of godly stats team postion and good story or narative and voter fatigue, steve nash finish 2nd or 3rd at the next season i think behind dirk? he could have won 3 straight if he did imagine the outcry from other nba players fans,yeah steves impact was undertad and often overlook , if kobe just won a couple of games more maybe they would have given it to him, if im not mistaken that was the time that most of the lakers starters got injured thats why they didnt rank higher besides that kobe didnt have a better teamates at that time. ive seen that vid by thinking basketball and i think hes spot on with the steve nash take. what i didt agree was when he said jordans handles was lacking, i mean jordans style was precise and surgical according to kobe and his handles was just the right amount not to waste energy.
I love Nash but cmon bro it’s no way Kobe shouldn’t have got at least one of those mvps that nash won
Dirk had a better season than Nash and Kobe in 2006 if we're taking winning into account, and he won MVP the following season. It took Dirk leading his team to 67 wins without another All Star instead of "just" 60 wins like in the prior season, for the league to finally award him the MVP.@@queztheplug
Hmm, value winning too much?? wouldn't make any teams from my era. That comment is something that someone who's never won would say. "you play the games to" what?? "WIN"! Helloooo!
@queztheplug
We value winning too much?!!
Are you serious?!!
See, that's the fundamental difference between your generation and mine.
Because the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE of the sport is to WIN a title.
But let y'all tell it, just "making the finals" or putting up triple doubles is more important.
Somehow, your generation deems the pursuit of winning as 'toxic' ...SMH 😒
Bill Russel must be your goat then
@queztheplug
No, he's not.
Because the GOAT criteria is more nuanced than that. It's a combination of individual dominance, impact, and, yes, winning.
And that's what COMPLETELY separates MJ from Bill Russell (RIP).
And it's not even close.
🤣🤣🤣 “Y’all value winning too much”
Excuse us, it’s only sports. Winning is a key factor. What player plays or what fan watches just to see stats get padded? If that’s the case why do Bron fans worship at the temple of his comeback series against GSW? Please get us Jordan fans out of your head. Not every comment needs to be about Jordan’s 6 rings. You can spend just as much time talking about Bron’s 6 failures instead since winning doesn’t matter that much😂.
It would be nice if you kept your room and hair better organized before posting a video, seriously!😂😂😂❤
You call lebron a goat...you are correct ...however Mike was know as the "one above all".Jordan be at home laughing with the 30yr old cigar
I would sub but le bron fans are delusional. No Way I can support that
Not a Lebron fan lol
hes been watching other greats from diffirent eras and doing hes research with context not just stats. hes a fan of the game of basketball now not just a couple of players but the greats that the game have produce
@@queztheplug oh my bad i just subbbed
@@pournflakes3096 i appreciate it!!
Lebum got robbed of nothing
Bro you lost me when you said “value winning to much” if you not winning you dying do t matter what win
Winning is valued too much, a prime example is Bill Russel and wilt chamberlain. Who’s the better player? Wilt Chamberlain is the better player but Bill Russel is constantly ranked above him because he has 11 rings.
@@queztheplug I understand that ( your POV) but look at like this bill Russell delivered 11 out of 12 finals yes his comp may have been way different with only 8 teams in the league but he delivered. Winning the ring along with your season accomplishments just take you another level… for example Allen Iverson just imagine how more greater he woulda been with a ring even in other sports Ken Griffey Jr was a cold baseball player and Barry bonds but they don’t have a ring
CHANGE THE CHANNELS NAME TO "QUEZ THE PAUSE".
Sound like a good idea cs I’m going to pause to get my thoughts out buddy
So winning the chip is not a big thing..ok