"A Great Ex-Player Needs Great Players" | Thierry Henry Masterclass on Superstars Becoming Managers
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- Thierry explains what it's really like to transition from superstardom to managing, while Jamie and Micah explain why they'll never manage.
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Henry and Carra's really thoughtful and insightful comments followed by Micah's "I'm Hollywood baby" is just priceless
I’ve heard he’s going to be starring in a film alongside bugsy malone and Vinny Jones amongst others
@@GuinessOriginal mad
Ahhh he's just worthless nvm priceless 🤣🤣🤣 Lmfao 🤣
@@GuinessOriginal as what? A stadium pillar?? 🤣🤣🤣🤷🏼♂️
I’m sure they knew in their ear pieces they had to go to a break so he kept it short.
Bolton & Stoke always catching stray bullets 😩😂
Unfortunately, Bolton and Stoke are a laughing stock 😄😄😄
This group is excellent. Thierry, Carra - thoughtful. Micah always feeling like the average joe (as average as a pro footballer can be) as someone we can relate to. kate picking her moments excellenty. Brilliant team
Average joe because he was an average player
@@robertocioffi2523 avg player? Micah was a far better player than Carragher, just unfortunately he was injured far too much and his body failed him so Jamie had the far better career
@@pricey6177 better than carragher? Are you insane?
@@robertocioffi2523 He reached a higher level of player than Carragher. He was always getting injured by 26. Carragher happened to be in good team.
Micah was one of the best young english defenders. He had everything, injuries ruined him
Micah kept it short and sweet 🤣 mans here for the glamor 🎥
This is an example of great content. It's thoughtful and introspective. Amazing to hear from these guys beyond hot takes on a match.
I could not agree more. Sports shows should aspire to this level of cognizance.
The “hot takes”, as you said, are more akin to watching political commentary 🤢 barf.
Yes, and with a punchline “I’m Hollywood, baby!
And then there's Micah.
Love the humility in Carras response. Seriously, one of the ways I look at life is simple: the first step to getting better at something is to stop kidding yourself.
Carra was an intense player to the point that his focus and desire to win hampered his enjoyment at times [his own words btw]. As a manager, he would be meticulous, have an unrealistic level of expectation and be devastated by any failure. Management is not for him, but punditry is.
Agree
I really respect Jamie's reason basically boils down to not wanting to move his family. It's a very human thing that we don't consider the toll being in that position has not just on the person but those around them
Props to Thierry for being as honest as his ego will alow him to be with these tough questions. It's tough when you're that competitive to talk about failures. I can tell what happened at Monaco bothers him still.
Such a cool and based dude that is
He got sacked, because he got caught swearing at his or opposition players at loud if I recall it correctly...
@@barlatan6501 you cant be sack for that
@@barlatan6501 Mourinho would be banned for life if you can get sacked for that.
He didn't get along with the senior players in the squad.....they complained he yelled alot, talks too much and had a very big ego!....he lost the dressing room and was shown the door!
There's also the fact that management is bloody hard. Punditry is just a kick around in comparison
Management has responsibility
You just have to look at great managers family life. Some of the best coaches sacrifice so much off the field for their obsession
@@FuturisticStuff Exactly sadly Thomas Tuchels marriage is a perfect example.
Its a thankless position. Its brutal, savage and unforgiving. It really isnt for everybody
Exactly. And Football isn't everything. Jamie probably had the best career he could have. He's now retired, is still young, loaded and just enjoying life. Why would you go back to Football as a manager for a bad a team, travel week in week out and have the stress related to the job? I would just enjoy my millions and my time with family and friends. These are more important than winning any titles as a manager.
This is by far my favorite group of pundits. They’re character, chemistry, and humor is far above any other group I’ve seen.
Their
I can't say this enough. I ADORE these four!!
Abit harsh I'd say she's the best female presenter by a mile and guides the conversation better than that guy on sky with neville and carra
Kate is brilliant and fits in well with the team.
@@liamfeely nah the GOAT female pundit is Gabby Logan
@@zorydirwai8661 nah is not about the goat, it's chemistry.
Amazing insight from Micah as always
Zidane never had to talk a lot to be a great leader.
The same way he led France successfully as a player, was the way he managed Real Madrid.
Quietly. He had that quiet charisma that would just lead by example or just say a few words but everyone listened.
You can never be lucky or anything other than a great leader to win 3 champions leagues in a row. Period.
Some say he's scared to take a job in the premier league (hence the "I don't speak English" excuse); some say that Madrid squad would have won with his assistant in charge.
I don't know, though, just saying what some say.
shit coach lucky man
@@GK-bl4pg What does the scared to coach in the premier League mean? I think he's scared to coach in Ligue 1 ?? Does that make any sense
@Tyler. D. Urden he has publicly said he will not manage any clubs other than the ones he played for. Real Madrid, Marseille and juve. People just make up headlines linking him to this job and that job just to make headlines again when he doesn't accept the job🤷♂️. Deschamps is leaving after the WC so I'm almost certain he's eyeing that France job
@@GK-bl4pg Some are wrong. Or Zidane is most lucky person alive. Lucky to be great player, lucky to be a geat coach lucky lucky lucky lucky to win all the time.
Micah Richards starring with Clint Dempsey in an upcoming Hollywood film called You Don't Know Where I'm From Dawg.
Great dialogue and perspective from both Henry and Jamie.
What about Micah?
@@Sean-nl5ge Micah said he’s Hollywood, bruv😆
Great comedic relief from Micah too
Really insightful. I’d always wondered why non elite players made great managers. Henry’s explanation about great ex pros not focussing so much on teaching (or being able or willing to teach because it is all 2nd nature to them) , but can still be effective at the top level, makes sense.
Kieron Dyer [ex Newcastle] spoke of Ruud Gulllit being effortless in execution of certain skills in training whilst he was manager there. Players were totally in awe of his ability to spray pinpoint 40 yard passes with either foot and instantly pull the ball down from any angle. He was also still incredibly strong on the ball. Great players have to humble themselves when they become managers.
Everytime Thierry starts the sentence with "first and foremost..." I know Im gonna get such an intelligent and thoughtful answer to question, argument etc.
Thierry Henry has evolved into an outstanding mature , clear thinking man ...love the man
please keep this line up as long as you guys can, they were perfect together
I love the amount of praise this channel gets from viewers legend like TT deserves it
This is an exceptional discussion!! Love the back-and-forth, and T's incredible insights.
He impressed but he’s not impressed is the truest thing I’ve heard 😂 he respects it but he thinks “I can prove my self to you” that’s why great former players need great players, this makes complete sense I’d love to see Henry get a premier league coaching job after the World Cup
He has to earn his spot as a PL manager. Henry is my favorite player ever. But to be honest, for me, he's wasting his legacy by being a pundit. Football world needs his insight on real pitch, not on the couch as a pundit.
Ex player pundits always complain about how the government need to do more for grassroots football. I always think that these ex players should manage a football team, even it's only their local kids team. Apart from the 1st hand knowledge about football that the kids would get from them, their presence at the training ground would inspire them to become a pro or at the very least would give them an extra motivation to come training.
But unfortunately no. Ex players tend to prefer easy money from punditry, when they could've done both simultanously.
just wanted to say i appreciate the fact that you guys post in 60fps
Managing a team is hard, man. Being able to find the balance between you being a former player and teacher can be tough. It requires a certain type of patience and humility to do it, especially if your dealing with newer and younger players. TT will soon reach that point I feel he just has to get used to the fact that it’s not him that solely matters, but the improvement of the team.
Thomas Tuchel?
I think TT would work better with youth teams than having to deal with senior players!....
@@olanrewajuolufemi701 Thierry Henry??
@@traedkramare İ think he meant Thierry 'Titi' Henry.
Man like Mica.. no” …chance I am Hollywood baby” 😂🤣
This team is the best thing to happen to football broadcasting ever. They are so so good!
If the format/concept was just a liiiiiittle bit broader, I could see them as the football version of "Inside the NBA" which is the top level example of what a sports show can be.
The guys are experienced, funny, have a great chemistry together and very insightful.
And then Kate...she's fine but, more than anything, refined. A great contrast to Molly and her selfimportant self. She is exactly what a moderator should be like :)
Micah is actually gold 🤣
And this is why Henry didn't succeed as a coach in Monaco...
He was getting mad at players for not completing passes who seemed easy to him.
As a coach you need humility and understand that you are not the Center of attention but the players...
Henry as a great knowledge of football and he is a great commentator and analyst.
Not all the great players were good managers.
To do is easier to have it done
But you just repeated what he said in a different way he is saying you need great players that is why Pep Guardiola will never choose shit clubs to manage
Well said Sophian
@@4LP3E like Eto'o said Guardiola has never been a great player.
About Henry it s not about an ex great player coaching average players.
There is also the psycological dimension more than the tactical knowledge...
How your message is heard and received by the team.
When he was coching Monaco Cameras caught on the bench him swearing at his players and saying how bad they were.
When you know there is cameras thats not the cleaver thing to do.
Some tgingss need to be said in tbe locker room.
As a coach you cannot keep the player mentality with the Big Ego ut brings
@@4LP3E why would a top manager go to a shit club? That's dumb
@@komaddog to learn and have time to learn maybe>? All top clubs instant out if no results...
Ancelotti had a lot of injuries while coaching Everton, he also had a rocket start I believe the first 4 games
He did decent then it all went away
Carlo Ancelotti had a much better win rate than Benetiz and Lampard at Everton.
Since Ancelotti left, Everton haven't finished as high as they did under him, play crap football and almost got relegated. Maybe Ancelotti overachieved.
@@Unknown-ol2uh True. Everton were organised under Carlo.
@@jacobfield4848 Carlo
For me management comes down to 3 things. Motivation, Tactics and Communication. (Good backroom staff/board/recruiting too) but those are the main 3 components. Some men are great motivators, others are great at empathizing with players and keeping staff/owners happy and some are tactically astute and read the game/know how to get the best out of the players they have. But the BEST managers have all 3 and that is the holy trinity which makes great leaders.
Money helps oil money 💰
100% agree. Great breakdown!
Fascinating discussion. Well done to the panel
Consistently excellent segments. 👏
The three have a great fun but knowledgable interaction, with Kate being an excellent presenter the whole show is fun and insightful.
It's awesome to have the insight of an incredible player like Titi, a great player who has won almost everything so when he speaks the rest of the panel listens
really nice insight and great segment of the show
What an answer by Jammie !
I love how kate leaves the conversation to just happen .... such a long conversation between jamie and thiery ... no interruption ... class host
Im new to this channel but i already love it
Great assessment and judgment. Thanks Henry
Henry and Jamie were very honest with their opinions. Nice to hear honesty on TV.
So was Micah 🤣
Never knew TT was this funny. A great Trio 👍🏾👏
These 4 are the best team on TV. Super fun always!
Hope to see you in future at a big club coaching Thierry
I remember Micah's blog on BBC when he was a youngster coming through the City ranks. Was really good, I wish they'd do something like that again with this new crop.
Micah with that "man, please" was glorious lol. That was really good stuff from everyone there.
It was a Great Add by Thierry Henry " A Great Coach needs Great Players who think the same and is able to bring the Coach in the Same Page through their thoughts "
great insight Jamie
Brilliant, great insight
There are some great ex-players that are naturally built for managing- teaching aspect or not- and they just need to be in that role in spite of the difficulties and instability. Also, there are some great ex-players that are a better fit for executive roles. Those roles are further away from the field of play, but you sure do enjoy better job stability. Also worth noting- there are So Many executive roles in MLS that these teams would be happy to fill with great ex-players like Thierry Henry.
I'm thinking of the type of role where an MLS club makes a splashy announcement about a former great with incredible name recognition that has joined the family- and then he spends two or three years mostly in a learning/shadowing role while also showing up for public events. Some years later, he's making very important executive decisions while drawing a hefty salary.
There are a lot of fairly young clubs in MLS that need this type of commitment. Honestly, it's a situation right now where not-very-good players are able to take advantage of these opportunities. Truly great (former) players with incredible name recognition should be all over this.
I'm glad Henry pointed that out about Guardiola, because it's not a small thing. Guardiola is great at what he does, but it's true he ALWAYS had stars in his team. Always. Pep himself he said the most important thing are the players....without great players it's a different ball game.
True. That´s why to me Pellegrini is one of the greatest managers of the last 20 years. He works slow but certain. In fact, almost all of the good things about Guardiola´s Man City is thanks to Pellegrini tactics.
Carra is a very humble human being. I have never seen him showing his ego in his comments and admits he wasnt a great player. Such a classy human being
Yea, that's on camera. Didn't show much class and humility when he spat on that child.
This discussion was very exciting
Henry! 🐐🐐
Excellent insight from Carra.
Those managers he mentioned had a lot of drive to succeed for sure due to the reasons he mentioned.
Slightly unfair on Sir Alex Ferguson who played for Rangers and was a Scottish transfer record when he joined them. Scored 171 goals in 317 games. But I take the point that Ferguson probably didn't have the success as a player his ability perhaps deserved.
I've been saying that for a while. I think coaches who used to be great players expect everyone to make the same decisions and execute the way they used to. When they coach middling clubs, they fade out because the quality isn't up to their standards.
Ancelotti with Everton is a perfect example. Went to Madrid, won the champions league
Enjoyed Carragher’s honesty on this clip.
love all the CBS sports. football content with these Kate leading these 3 - whoever's idea it was at CBS great work :)
My 2cts: an ex great player, has for one , the respect of the great players in the team…they look up to him for advice. But somtimes itks not enough, you need tactics and team managment
The problem is great players also need to learn how to manage its like being a great pundit doesn’t come straight away just because you’ve played the game for two decades it still takes time.
"We know that..." lol Kate again sticking the knife in on a cutaway. Bloody love it.
Well said Jamie. Very well said
As a mcfc fan that last segment by cara was really insightful. I hate all the unnecessary animosity between both sets of fans.
Well Said Jamie!
A great ex player becoming a manager and a great manager need the same thing. Great communication skills that allow them to explain what they need their players to do as simply as possible. It makes no difference if you were a great ex player or not.
Greatest personal insight I've witnessed from the panel, albeit maybe not Micah.
Love to see him back in the premier league. Our English teams are missing a trick not to have this guy guiding the players or the youngsters is mad. Maybe he don’t want that but give him a chance
A great ex-player needs great players.
Excellent analysis.
Football does not work like that. This is why Henry struggled; you don't always get the opportunity to inherit a team full of top tier players. The manager's role is to maximise the talent that he has and make those players great.
@@mediacenterman8583 and who are you to tell that ?
@@TheDarkKnightRacist someone, who watched the vid above
@@mediacenterman8583 that was exactly Henry's point though, hence why he spoke about getting a Monaco team with like 20 injured players, with young inexperienced ballers ect.
@@herrramme1536 denying football legends that has experience football in real life 🤡
Such honesty from Carra.
These four are perfect.
My absolute favourite team on football tv these four ❤
I wish thierry stayed at montreal, he was a joy to watch on the sidelines
Always said this, top players will rarely succeed as great managers unless they have got a few superstars their team. Because they are comparing their players to what the manager could do in their football career. Hence why so many top footballers that turned managers have struggled at the medium/small clubs which will then stop them from getting the chance to manage big clubs.
Great point by Henry
It's really rare that great players become great tactical managers, tactically wise. For me, Zidanes tactics are good, but no where near winning three champions leagues, but that's where his man management and relations with the players Come into play. Tuchel was a great tactician, but he had little or no relations with his team, which in turn made Chelsea hard to play, but we rarely ever won by the margins justified, and even through games away sometimes.
The top gear of football these 3...😂👌
xavi. Titi can improve a lot.. but they need to work under these great manager.. pep.. klop.. jose mourinho.. carlo anceloti .. 4 of the proven one tht hv done it.
We see how mikel arteta proven tht w arsenal.. it takes time for arsenal..bt what a massive improvement they r this season.. yes he yet to achiev anythng this season.. he gt tht fa cup n comunity shield already in his belt. It is october and they lookin good for now and future. Their plan is clear. They r only goin up from here. They just need to seal champs league to strengthen further more n more. N add to squad depth n challenger in every position.
3:40 Micah, I’m a 43 year old white belt judoka being taught by an eighth Dan 91 year old master. I don’t feel pressure when he teaches me. I feel like the benefit of his experience frees me to explore the art. He shows me, I experience, I learn, I feel it. I threw an ninety kilo man over my head from a side pin on the ground (I’m 75kg) by using his technique he showed me (escape from yoko shiho gatame). I feel like I’m doing things that were once secrets to me, revealed. That’s quality coaching. And I KNOW, this man, could throw me through the wall, even at his age, and I revere him because of knowing that he’s done it all and if I take instruction from him, I will get better. I manage people in my day job too, in the military. It’s not easy. You have to know how people tick and find the way to get what you want from them. Management is HARD. Coaching is HARD. But what takes you through it is caring about why you’re doing it. If you love what you’re doing and why, you’ll do what you have to in order to succeed.
Wow deep, learning so much
these guys are so much more interesting to listen to than any other pundits
The King 🔴⚪
I didn't plan to comment but felt I needed to after Carraghers comment about when he was ending his career and realised Rafa benitez, mourinho, Wenger and Alex Ferguson not being great players but top managers.
I am not a man Utd fan Far from it but I checked this a while ago and Alex Ferguson was actually a good player who played as a striker and scored a ton of goals and played for Rangers. The only issue he had was that period Alex Ferguson played was during Celtic's most dominant period and when Celtic won the European cup. As Alex himself has said he never won a trophy in his playing career and that was what drove him on to Pursue a management career to chase success and without that may not have made it.
Also, he was one of Rangers better players, but he was married to a Catholic and somehow when they lost a final, he took a lot of the blame. He was a very good striker
Micahhh you are the best,the show would be really weird and I think would be greater even if we have Roy there
Lol I love Micah, great personality
great players need great players because they'll be on the same wavelength. Henry speaking facts.
Interesting takes
Henry doesn’t admit he is not a good manager
You cannot judge him he only had one job for two months and where is Monaco now?
@@4LP3E top 3 in the farmers league almost every year :)
@@4LP3E you kind of can since the whole locker room turned on Henry
@Mosaab twice true but he said: "where is Monaco now"
2 months in the job 😂 being abit harsh
Great panel by cbs👏👏👏
I would love this show to be shown in England.
Some managers are better at managing big teams with great players and big egos, while others are better at managing smaller underdog teams with less talented players and build them. E.g. Mourinho has always been better at managing smaller underdog teams like Porto, inter etc. While mourinho struggled with bigger teams like madrid, united etc. On the other hand pep has always been better at managing bigger teams with bigger egos. It's not that one is better than the other though.
mourinho didnt struggle with big teams, he was brought to madrid to stop Pep's dominance and he delivered. at chelsea - he delivered.
inter is not an underdog team even at the time of mourinho... they had great players then.
he never struggled with Madrid..
he set a record for winning the league with 100 point you called that struggle... or getting to the semi final twice nah is not struggle sir.
@@victorishaya728 Noone in the world expected that old ass Inter team to win a treble though, they were certainly underdogs in the UCL
Jamie actually seems like a really good person when he's not hating on Real Madrid or Cristiano. That video made me like him more
am down with Henry wen u have good players has a manager it helps u more
Much better be a pundit and enjoy the most like Micah does wherever he goes. What a guy 🤣🤣💙
I think he loves the game and being in it, he's the kind of person who'd rather have regrets than remorse maybe
Tim Sherwood made a great point all these new football terms and tactics have been around for decades gegenpressen is what ireland were doing in the 90s the game has always been about players who won the workd cup Argentina why because they had the best player and the rest of the team worked their butts off simple as
I agree with the King 100%
Kate looking fire .. but most importantly, great presenter who engages and allows others to speak
I see some comments criticizing Titi as a manager. He is still coach for a top top national team. So he has the skills. He also clearly has the will. He will learn.
Being a coach in one functional area is very different to being a manager. It’s the same in business - some people are amazing individual contributors, but should be nowhere near management.
Club football is totally different from being involved in an NT.
Love Micah. Straight forward 😂
Carragher so humble never bigs himself up
I really want Thierry to succeed as a manager
Great segment 👍🏾