Vander and Vi are truly one and the same. Vander fought with his fists. Vi fights with her fists. Vander created the Silco we see. Vi created Jinx. Now the question is, will Vi also eventually return as a werewolf?
@@olishonick"no monsters going to get you while im here" the MINUTE vi is taken to prison..the monsters swooped in..stop talking nonsense and rewatch the show
(The two wolves at the back of her coat during her emo era.) It would be cute if her “werewolf” era is actually the emo fighter era 😂 doubt it but still cute.
Probably not as a werewolf but you could consider her becoming an enforcer to fill that category. Joining the side that killed her parents and thrashed around her people is pretty crazy.
There's a theory/interpretation which I started to believe myself bout why Vander didn't kill Silco during the final confrontation on the bridge... he couldn't. When Silco managed to escape from the drowning attempt, Vander tried to pull him back in and Silco slashed his inner wrist with the stolen dagger in order to get away. Vander then let him go to clutch his arm in pain, which is understandable since it's a vital area. Vander from then on covers that area with his bracer, and he touched it when talking to Benzo about how "there are worse things than enforcers out there". The theory is that Silco slashing his wrist turned it into a weak point, now he can't grip as hard as he previously could with that hand. So, that means Vander's own past came back to bite him in more ways than one. Trying to kill Silco that one time set him up to become unable to do it the next time he tried.
Even looking at the scene as it is, I never got the impression that Vander let Silco go over Silco managed to escape by inflicting an injury with a burst of adrenaline. It's not easy to chase after someone when you're waist deep in water and in pain.
(about sevika)"Where she goes there is the empire" Is such a GREAT observation considering weve seen (what looks like) Sevika taking Jinxs side in the trailer, despite their previous differences, now that both Vander and Silco are gone. Jinx is Zauns only remaining hope at a future and Sevika acknowledges that.
I think that this mural should be for Sevika.... she is the ONLY one who was always loyal to Zaun...and she always admitted it...she was ready to betray Silco if it meant that Zaun will be free , she only ever cared about her people and their culture , I want her as a champ in the game soo badly :D I kinda simp for her
In his final moments, Vander had a choice: save Vi or take out Silco and save the Lanes from the horrors he believes Silco is about to inflict on them. He chose Vi Interestingly, this is a choice that comes to pretty much every leader in this story, whether they will protect the city that is in their charge or protect their closest loved one Vander chooses Vi, Silco chooses Jinx, Marcus chooses his daughter, even Jayce chooses to put Piltover at risk with the hexcore in order to save his brother The only leader in this series who chooses to protect the citizens of their city over the life of their beloved protege... is Heimerdinger
I think there's a significant difference between Vander's deal with Grayson and Silco's arrangement with Marcus. Vander's deal was for peace, to keep each side to itself so there would be no violence between them and they'd stay out of each other's business. Silco uses Marcus as a tool to manipulate the other side in his favor. He pays him to do dirty work, beats him down when he tries rebelling, and threatens his daughter when he learns Marcus lied to him. Grayson and Vander respected each other, Silco and Marcus resent each other.
I would even go further to say the relationship is reversed. There's mutual respect but Vander was still Grayson's "lapdog", the enforcers show up to bully people whenever they want and Vander can't do much about it. With Silco Marcus is the lapdog, the enforcers "fear to set foot in the lanes", he makes them target the firelights, and they get away with murder. This is why Silco is okay with his deal but hated Vander's
ok...I understand but just listen me out.... I come from a country that was oppressed ,our people slaughtered and our culture and language nearly entirely destroyed...its soo bad that theres less than million of us left and we didnt get our independance thanks to people like Vander who made deals with the devil.... we call the president who sold our country out a traitor...and his intentions were good aswell...he just wanted us to live but WE wanted to fight and we got finally our freedom because of people like Sevika for example who were ready to do whatever it takes to stop our people,language and culture dying...I see same with Piltover and Zaun .... if someone would have just blown up our oppressors like Jinx did....yeah this guy would have been biggest hero ever , even right now...I have lost 13 friends in Ukraine, one of them was 4 year old little girl...innocent people... sometimes you just need to fight back as hard as you can...otherwise you wobnt survive...world isnt black and white
Vander treated Zaun like an actual community but the kids weren’t alright. Silco turned it into a Boulevard of broken dreams Ekko’s turning a section of into a home. He’s gonna go far.
It might be clear in season 2 but I think the reason why Vander and Silco had a falling out was that Vander saw the cost it was taking for this revolution and wanted to stop. Silco saw that they could win regardless of the cost and kept on pushing. My theory of this comes to play due to what Silco says to Vanders memorial when he has everything he wanted made possible by giving up Jonx whom he saw as an adoptive daughter. That he finally understood why Vander couldn’t continue the fight. He thought Vander was soft but after looking out for Jinx and basically raising her he finally understood
There’s another video about Vander by Flying Walrus and it, too, did a great job explaining why Vander is such a great character despite how his good intentions lead to terrible consequences.
Excellent video. I agree that Vander and Silco passed down their unresolved trauma to their children which is still playing out in the narrative. The interesting things is while the method Silco used in Episode 3 to try and resolve it was abhorrent and murderous it was in a twisted way an attempt to resolve it by getting Vander to admit he was wrong. And there lies Vander's fatal flaw: pride. He couldn't admit he made the wrong call betraying Silco or using a frontal attack on the bridge. If he had, Vander might have allowed or empowered alternative methods of liberation from Piltover that the younger and less corrupted Silco was backing. While Shimmer in most cases is terrible addictive drug in its raw form, Sveika's controlled use of it shows that it's a viable form of power if handled carefully and intelligently. One could only imagine what a Silco with Vander acting as moral compass could have done. Gods know that Singe couldn't have been a positive moral infulence during Silco's developmental time as a leader. As an aside, notice that in the last episode the only thing that V says that gets through to Jinx is offering the leave Piltover and Zahn and the conflict behind. This would break the cycle of generational trauma by removing them toxic situation behind this generational conflict. That's how tragedy works. Even in the darkest hour there's hope of a way out...and it fails.
Fantastic Narrator, I really identified with Vander. He's man that choose to redeem himself after choosing the wrong path. He did so for the best reasons. And despite his down falls prior he stays on the good path in the end. Thank you for the quality content.
Bah. Far more likely is the road to hell being paved with insufficient tummy rubs and subpar peanuts for Lord Antonio. Good intentions shall avail ye not, should ye fail to provide sufficient tribute. Love that little author card animation at the start. Nicely styled and designed; props to whoever made that.
It's been a while since i watched s1, but definitwly gonna rewatch before s2. Real happy you started to analyze arcane, 10/10 absolute banger. Besides, hair was on point as always🤌🏼🤌🏼
I love Vander. He is my favorite... I am sad that he died, but at least he is safe in death. On another note, I love from League of Legends the character Warwick. :) he is my favorite.
⚠️ Spoiler warning ⚠️ Is he safe in death though, considering he will return as Warwick in season 2 and probably not to fight for/with Vi but against her?
@@aidannatsume9550 really really sorry! I also don't play lol but I watched a lot of videos about theories for season 2 etc., so it already feels like cannon to me. I will edit my first post!
sooo happy to see you cover arcane!! it’s such an incredible show and your analysis so far on vi and vander is AMAZING! can’t wait to see your other arcane videos
this show's writing is so complex, its incredible. to throw all the blame on one person is sort of dismissing the incredible character crafting thats gone into this show, its like a web you gotta connect. SO MUCH GOIN ON AHHH
@@lydiscott yeah if you HAVE to blame a specific person who had more direct control over Powder it was Vander but if Piltover wasn't so horrible there wouldn't be a need for bloody rebellious in the first place. I love how multifaceted every single character is in this show!
nah I disagree , Vander didnt create Jinx... Vi neither ...it was many things that created Jinx, its just soo much trauma and pain in her life that she literally went mad...and you cant really blame Silco either...he didnt know what to do...his mentally unstable daughter is doing reckless stuff and he cant get her the help she needs cause they are in ZAUN , so instead he tried to listen to her and encourage her the way he knew how....Silco himself was a broken man aswell who only fueled what Jinx became but I just dont see what else he could have done you know.... politics is the problem in here ... Pilties are oppressors who have turned Zaun into a hellhole where people suffer and they are not willing to do anything to help them
OK the bridge thing was years ago, and I kinda think that the falling out was because Silco maneuvered in some form, without him, perhaps, as he does later, they were like brothers he said and that betrayal at the water had to be something huge. I don't think it was shimmer yet, that seems to come later, though for sure I can only say that concentrated larger dose, if not a slightly different concoction based on shimmer. I think Silco went ahead with something far more aggressive than Vander ever was on board with, maybe he had a better plan and Silco did something that would ensure those enforcers came over, because he wanted the fight. When he says later to Vander that he will die for a cause but not fight for one, it seems he is talking of not only the present, like maybe Vander was trying to do something much more diplomatic with the threat of force behind it but hoping never to have to, we can be sure of nothing here, from just the series, but I think there are many hints that show vaguely why, and when things go wrong, and people die, that maybe is what really caused Vander to nearly kill Silco the first time. He was still a fighter, and wreckless in some regard back then, but I think that Silco rallied the lanes in some respect to force things to happen much more violently and chaotically. I could entirely be wrong, my evidence is very thin and mostly just reasoning from things I picked up that were very sparse. But the nation of Zaun also, as you referred to it, didn't really exist, that is what they had been fighting for, they were just under Piltover, they were not a separate nation yet, until Silco makes that deal AFTER all the terrible things and other attempts to have their independence. The rest I pretty much agree with, good channel, keep up the good work.
i find it funny that Vander does not actually understand what talking involves. Like Silco evil OG plan is a heavily employed talking 101 tactic and vander said no we need to talk. its at that point i saw Vander had wishful thinking on how people worked.
Pretty sure Vander has major insecure attachment after his first loss. He manipulates his people to maintain civility, and shoulders the burden of responsibility for their well being because he doesn't trust them.
The not accepting other people agency leading to worse outcomes is a pretty cool take I do think there's one logical extension missing however, Vi had always accepted the agency of all her siblings and friends, just after Vander got abducted she still accepts the agency of Mylo and Claggor but not that of Powder. Which is directly connected to Vander asking her to protect the family, Vi kinda does it half half. It's the worst outcome, they could've easily succeeded just by having Powder present but not doing anything. Now they failed due to powder still being present but "succeeding" at what she always wanted, be a tinkerer. Powder rightfully enforces her agency against Vis will to give us the most horrifying conclusion. I think viewers are way too biased towards Vi ngl, she kinda sucks just less overtly that Silco does Tangent: the show is unfortunately very confused about Silco too, since his employment of Shimmer to fight is super logical. His direct distribution making Zaunites addicted isn't, not even from the standpoint that it helps him build connections and get funds for his revolutionary efforts. In this sense Silcos arc promotes reactionary politics of things never changing, as Silcos desire to make things better made everything worse. I don't like it. He very much became like the chembarons and we don't see him working on an independent Zaun in any way other than when he tries to make Jynx figure out hextech and his peace deal he prepared for Jayce. This could've been a decent set up for a power corrupts arc but it isn't. Silco just takes varied confusing actions most of which only assert his dominance through terror, some of which do nothing, and it concludes with him stating his genuine love for Jynx. He accepting her poor unhelpful behavior is less tied into anything either than it is with Vi or Vander or Powder. Because most of what she does is only tied to Silcos personal gains and status, not his efforts to make life better for all Zaunites. Even if the idea was Silco trying to go the slow route of building strong enough individual presences to allow for a peace deal, with all the shimmer victims being short term collateral, it doesn't really make sense. It very much just gives the impression that Silco doesn't care about Zaunites, only about getting the independence however is possible. Basically a powergrab, because with the way it was set up who else but Silco could govern the underground? He did easily give up producing shimmer but it's not the only thing he could continue doing. Having ruled using violence and everything. The only true point of sympathy is that Silco loves Jynx, which shouldn't be enough for us viewers to forgive and forget, he fails as a foil for Vander imo and it's a shame that these are the choices Fortiche made. The show is still critical of Piltover, doing a both-sides-ism but it's still much less critical of Piltover than Silco for the same crimes. And it still centers Piltover as the place with morally corrupt actors but all of the potential the power and the willingness to change things for better. Silco gets gifted his peace by Jayce, who doesn't even haggle can you believe it, and I think that's a bit of a weak message after how hungry for violence and power, and how dismissive of the underground as a whole, the council (as a whole) was previously. Not even Jayces own bigotry in the face of Viktor was explored much and Season 2 gives me little hope.
Also - LoL Spoilers Vander IS Warwick. One of the first season 2 trailers showed him hanging up from Singeds ceiling. In his Shimmer form he looks and rawr a very similary to Warwick. Here’s all the hints Wiki gives us abt it Vander's alias, "The Hound of the Underground", is similar to Warwick's alias, "The Uncaged Wrath of Zaun". Vander is called a lapdog by Silco. Vander is the one who taught Vi Vi how to punch, and one of Warwick's lines towards her is "Who taught you how to punch?". Another one of Warwick's lines, "You were there…", is addressed towards Jinx and is a possible reference to her being present next to Vander's body after her bombs destroyed Silco's hideout. Warwick's theme is heard during Vander's capture and shortly before his death. After he ingested Shimmer, Vander's physique, voice, and growl became similar to Warwick's. During her mental breakdown in the final episode of Arcane's 1st season, Jinx pictures Vander with a wolf-like outline around him.
I would love to see how you understand this form of him. How he turns into a monster fr, he wanted peace and now he’s trapped in endless war. Ibulldesign on tumblr said: I can't believe I only just now made this connection. In the trailer Ambessa says that Wrath must be met with Wrath, and Warwick is known as Zaun's Unchained Wrath. There is also the fact that Ambessa's mask, during the shot of her killing Enforcers, has three claw like gashes on it. Combine this with her speech from season 1 about foxes and wolves, which definitely points to her coming face to face with Warwick and finding out exactly what a real wolf is like.
Also god ik I’m spamming but the way you said Vander was in the light whilst Silco was in the shadows reminds me of Jayce and Viktor. They both work towards the greater good, progress, and they end in similar positions to Vander n Silco but in dif ways.
So that was actually me reading somewhere that he was called twitch, not huck, and then I only realized later I was incorrect lmaoooo I have no background knowledge on league my bf was like “yeahhhh twitch is someone different”
@@lydiscott Surprisingly, it's not the first time I've seen people make that connection, they give a similar vibe. But if anyone is Twitch, it's better to look at the shimmer-ed up mouse from episode 1, lol
hey, I think you have your blue yeti on the wrong setting, it struck me in the T-Bug video. You got it in stereo mode, the cardioid mode (second from the right) is the one that is recommended for voice overs etc. Great videos, been binging them since yesterday!
@@lydiscott hahaha no worries, youll of course have to test and tune your gain/volume/filters for it to actually sound better than the stereo mode, but you probably know your way around that already! Keep up the good work!
Watched the whole video, but I feel she doesn't get why Vander did what he did because she doesn't understand poverty and the overwhelming force of autocracy. She also doesn't understand the meaning of responsibility in this context. She kept referring to it as toxic, which just sits wrong with me.
It is toxic, though. You can acknowledge the reasons for it(poverty and lack of social support system) happening while also recognizing it as toxic. He basically passes on the worst mindsets to his children and it shows how generational curses continue. Vander has unresolved issues that are influencing his parenting and leadership. He also essentially betrays his people by striking that lapdog deal with their oppressors.
Yeah, I heard about those Vander theories back when the first trailer for season 2 dropped. I do hope that they do not bring him back as it would kinda lessen the impact his death gives.
They’ve been lingering since s1 finished airing and a lil while after with a teaser that practically confirmed it. (League of Legends lore.) Seems it was always the intention. But me personally I think it will add a lot more to each of their characters and their dynamics bringing him back. The key thing that’ll make it better than most stories is the how, and the why. The “why” is usually something flimsy like stirring up more trouble. But arcane has proved themselves more than capable of giving us the exact opposite of a lacklustre storyline. It’s not going to be some sappy reunion. Vander is gone.
9:08 no, ma'am, Vander knew for a fact that the undercity didn't have the fire force nor the allies to go up against Piltover and, in doing so, they will lose a lot of lives for nothing.
Silco plan never was War he states that to Vander, his OG plan was use shimmer as leverage at the bargaining table. Vander is ignoring the very basics of talking 101 like what cards o you have in your hand.
I love your videos so much!!!! Can you make a video how terrible Vander is as a father especially to Powder(Jinx), Claggor & Milo & how Vander favors only Vi & how he doesn't care at all for the other kids & how Vander should have found so many other ways & alternative solutions to help the people & Zaun from being anymore poor & sick!!!!
Well, slow down there, we don't even know why Vander tried to drown Silco in the first place. More likely it was the typical masculine thing. You know, pheromones and all that.
Brutality of the enforcers is a baffling take. It's like saying the brutality of the police who defend themselves from rioters with force proportionate to the riot. It's like blaming a store for shooting an armed robber. Don't want to get shot? Don't start a robbery. Don't want to get truncheoned? Don't start a riot. Don't want the cops to come searching for criminals who broke the truce you signed? Don't send your citizens to rob people. Zaun isn't the victim of Piltover; Piltover is a victim of Zaun. Vi never once protected Powder, her first scene was her bringing Powder, an eight year old child, with her on a dangerous robbery, the least dangerous part being the possibility of falling off the roof of a multistory building to pillage the workshop of a place she had no knowledge of its contents or defenses. She just used Powder in her schemes at a rate of involvement to the extent she thought Powder could be useful. It's a part of what makes s2 so compelling. The entire time until then she had her eyes fixed on hell and a self-reinforcing damnation- in contrast to Viktor who focused on earning his way out by intellect ability and accomplishment. Once she joins Piltover she sets her eyes on heaven, but has to eliminate a devil she created to have the chance at it.
Zuan is the victim of Piltover, the pollution, the poor living conditions, poor financial development all of that is the direct result of Piltovers actions. Piltover has shown that while it is a city of progress it has no qualms in letting its trash and pollution harm the lower levels. Out of sight and out of mind. Piltover has every resources possible to make Zaun better, to clean up the chemical waste and pollution but actively chooses not to. Can you really blame Zaunites who are struggling to survive to revolt against Piltover when they treat them like trash after the get whatever use they have for them?
@@Avenus112they really weren’t, the criminals were a direct result to the harsh living conditions. Zaun used to not be heavily polluted. However the excessive mining is what’s causing the chemical fogs to appear all over Zaun. The reason for the excessive mining was due to mineral found in those mines that the higher city Piltover wanted no matter what.
@@warboss3686 Zaun, especially its criminal gains, is responsible for all of that. None of it is due to Piltover's actions, Piltover's responsibilities were yielding payment for services rendered, Zaun's sresponsibility was using its resources and the price for them properly. I do blame the people responsible for the problems for those problems. Zaun is responsible, so I blame Zaun. Zaun's poverty is due to its criminal element, since crime causes poverty. Piltover could have begun an enormous crackdown following Zaun's riot of aggression but it didn't- it disengaged and allowed some autonomy and selfpolicing, if Zaun policed itself properly. Zaun took the semi-autonomy but sent its pillagers and looters, such as adolescent Vi's squad, to prey on Piltover, which means Zaun never had any intention of honouring any agreement with Piltover unless it helped its pillaging. Every reasoned analysis, independent of misleading politics, demonstrates Zaun is the problem.
@@warboss3686 They really were, the criminals were due to Zaun's mismanagement. Failing to manage your district's resources properly isn't an excuse to prey on Piltover. The pollution was due to toxic fumes released from mining in the underground, it was Zaun's responsibility to manage its resources properly to address that. Still loops back on Zaun as the problem. The reason for the mining is that Zaun had something that it could profit from that Piltover wanted, which Piltover charged the price it was willing to pay for and which Zaun found acceptable so Zaun delivered it, and squandered those resources. Zaun is still the problem.
I think silko and vander falling out was that silko wanted to continue the war but vander wanted it to end also silkos experiments 🧪 we’re going too far also I disagree vander wanted peace if they had continued the war zon would have likely bin destroyed they are less technologically advanced less fire power and less man power the only mistake he made was helping vi coddle powder and not preparing her for the eventuality that she might have to Servive on her own and I hole heartedly believe that silko was gonna kill powder but when he saw here crying he saw himself in powder an orphan that abandoned by her family for trying to do the right thing vander and silko mirror vi and jinx perfectly vi wants to carry on vanders dream of peace between the two city’s while jinx thinks that the only path to true freedom is do destroy your enemy regardless of the collateral damage
Vander and Vi are truly one and the same. Vander fought with his fists. Vi fights with her fists. Vander created the Silco we see. Vi created Jinx. Now the question is, will Vi also eventually return as a werewolf?
Yes yes he will
She already is the monster, i.e an enforcer. See the first scene in the show.
@@olishonick"no monsters going to get you while im here" the MINUTE vi is taken to prison..the monsters swooped in..stop talking nonsense and rewatch the show
(The two wolves at the back of her coat during her emo era.) It would be cute if her “werewolf” era is actually the emo fighter era 😂 doubt it but still cute.
Probably not as a werewolf but you could consider her becoming an enforcer to fill that category. Joining the side that killed her parents and thrashed around her people is pretty crazy.
There's a theory/interpretation which I started to believe myself bout why Vander didn't kill Silco during the final confrontation on the bridge... he couldn't. When Silco managed to escape from the drowning attempt, Vander tried to pull him back in and Silco slashed his inner wrist with the stolen dagger in order to get away. Vander then let him go to clutch his arm in pain, which is understandable since it's a vital area. Vander from then on covers that area with his bracer, and he touched it when talking to Benzo about how "there are worse things than enforcers out there". The theory is that Silco slashing his wrist turned it into a weak point, now he can't grip as hard as he previously could with that hand. So, that means Vander's own past came back to bite him in more ways than one. Trying to kill Silco that one time set him up to become unable to do it the next time he tried.
Even looking at the scene as it is, I never got the impression that Vander let Silco go over Silco managed to escape by inflicting an injury with a burst of adrenaline. It's not easy to chase after someone when you're waist deep in water and in pain.
(about sevika)"Where she goes there is the empire" Is such a GREAT observation considering weve seen (what looks like) Sevika taking Jinxs side in the trailer, despite their previous differences, now that both Vander and Silco are gone. Jinx is Zauns only remaining hope at a future and Sevika acknowledges that.
i was so excited when i saw those two (hopefully) working together in season 2. ahhh hard not to love Sevika!
I wonder how that revelation struck her and how she'll have to pin her hopes on Jinx.
I think that this mural should be for Sevika.... she is the ONLY one who was always loyal to Zaun...and she always admitted it...she was ready to betray Silco if it meant that Zaun will be free , she only ever cared about her people and their culture , I want her as a champ in the game soo badly :D I kinda simp for her
In his final moments, Vander had a choice: save Vi or take out Silco and save the Lanes from the horrors he believes Silco is about to inflict on them. He chose Vi
Interestingly, this is a choice that comes to pretty much every leader in this story, whether they will protect the city that is in their charge or protect their closest loved one
Vander chooses Vi, Silco chooses Jinx, Marcus chooses his daughter, even Jayce chooses to put Piltover at risk with the hexcore in order to save his brother
The only leader in this series who chooses to protect the citizens of their city over the life of their beloved protege... is Heimerdinger
I think there's a significant difference between Vander's deal with Grayson and Silco's arrangement with Marcus. Vander's deal was for peace, to keep each side to itself so there would be no violence between them and they'd stay out of each other's business. Silco uses Marcus as a tool to manipulate the other side in his favor. He pays him to do dirty work, beats him down when he tries rebelling, and threatens his daughter when he learns Marcus lied to him. Grayson and Vander respected each other, Silco and Marcus resent each other.
I would even go further to say the relationship is reversed. There's mutual respect but Vander was still Grayson's "lapdog", the enforcers show up to bully people whenever they want and Vander can't do much about it. With Silco Marcus is the lapdog, the enforcers "fear to set foot in the lanes", he makes them target the firelights, and they get away with murder. This is why Silco is okay with his deal but hated Vander's
ok...I understand but just listen me out.... I come from a country that was oppressed ,our people slaughtered and our culture and language nearly entirely destroyed...its soo bad that theres less than million of us left and we didnt get our independance thanks to people like Vander who made deals with the devil.... we call the president who sold our country out a traitor...and his intentions were good aswell...he just wanted us to live but WE wanted to fight and we got finally our freedom because of people like Sevika for example who were ready to do whatever it takes to stop our people,language and culture dying...I see same with Piltover and Zaun .... if someone would have just blown up our oppressors like Jinx did....yeah this guy would have been biggest hero ever , even right now...I have lost 13 friends in Ukraine, one of them was 4 year old little girl...innocent people... sometimes you just need to fight back as hard as you can...otherwise you wobnt survive...world isnt black and white
Vander is such a tragic character and... I don't know. He did his best with the tools he had, and I can't blame him for that
Vander treated Zaun like an actual community but the kids weren’t alright.
Silco turned it into a Boulevard of broken dreams
Ekko’s turning a section of into a home. He’s gonna go far.
Yaaaa im excited to see where they take Ekko this next season!
Banger references dawg
@@fault2103 :)
I walk a lonely road
The way Vander is so close with Vi and Powder reflects that he had an extremely close relationship with their parents. Almost like they we're related.
Man, I love tragedies, Arcane's writers and storyartists did such a nuanced and phenomenal job
It might be clear in season 2 but I think the reason why Vander and Silco had a falling out was that Vander saw the cost it was taking for this revolution and wanted to stop. Silco saw that they could win regardless of the cost and kept on pushing. My theory of this comes to play due to what Silco says to Vanders memorial when he has everything he wanted made possible by giving up Jonx whom he saw as an adoptive daughter. That he finally understood why Vander couldn’t continue the fight. He thought Vander was soft but after looking out for Jinx and basically raising her he finally understood
Vander cursing Vi with the weight of responsibility reminds me of Yuji's grandfather placing a curse/burden on him.
There’s another video about Vander by Flying Walrus and it, too, did a great job explaining why Vander is such a great character despite how his good intentions lead to terrible consequences.
Excellent video. I agree that Vander and Silco passed down their unresolved trauma to their children which is still playing out in the narrative. The interesting things is while the method Silco used in Episode 3 to try and resolve it was abhorrent and murderous it was in a twisted way an attempt to resolve it by getting Vander to admit he was wrong. And there lies Vander's fatal flaw: pride. He couldn't admit he made the wrong call betraying Silco or using a frontal attack on the bridge. If he had, Vander might have allowed or empowered alternative methods of liberation from Piltover that the younger and less corrupted Silco was backing. While Shimmer in most cases is terrible addictive drug in its raw form, Sveika's controlled use of it shows that it's a viable form of power if handled carefully and intelligently. One could only imagine what a Silco with Vander acting as moral compass could have done. Gods know that Singe couldn't have been a positive moral infulence during Silco's developmental time as a leader.
As an aside, notice that in the last episode the only thing that V says that gets through to Jinx is offering the leave Piltover and Zahn and the conflict behind. This would break the cycle of generational trauma by removing them toxic situation behind this generational conflict. That's how tragedy works. Even in the darkest hour there's hope of a way out...and it fails.
Fantastic Narrator, I really identified with Vander. He's man that choose to redeem himself after choosing the wrong path. He did so for the best reasons. And despite his down falls prior he stays on the good path in the end.
Thank you for the quality content.
Bah. Far more likely is the road to hell being paved with insufficient tummy rubs and subpar peanuts for Lord Antonio. Good intentions shall avail ye not, should ye fail to provide sufficient tribute.
Love that little author card animation at the start. Nicely styled and designed; props to whoever made that.
AHHH THANK YOU my sister Mieka made it! (She also makes the thumbnails!)
Can't wait to see analysis on Jinx and Caitlyn!!! And maybe a video essay on Vi and cait's relationship and where it will go.
"Punch first, ask questions while punching!" - Vi
Season two will be devastating.
Its not just a plot device JIM! Friggen Jim. Great video
GIRLLL THIS IS SO GOOD????? WTF SLAY
It's been a while since i watched s1, but definitwly gonna rewatch before s2. Real happy you started to analyze arcane, 10/10 absolute banger. Besides, hair was on point as always🤌🏼🤌🏼
wow you pointed out so many good details, thanks!
Whoa, is that my Lydododo shaping our stories? Neat
I love Vander. He is my favorite... I am sad that he died, but at least he is safe in death.
On another note, I love from League of Legends the character Warwick. :) he is my favorite.
⚠️ Spoiler warning ⚠️
Is he safe in death though, considering he will return as Warwick in season 2 and probably not to fight for/with Vi but against her?
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@@Blursela Man, spoiler!! Mist of Arcane fans do not play league. At least give a warning.
@@aidannatsume9550 really really sorry! I also don't play lol but I watched a lot of videos about theories for season 2 etc., so it already feels like cannon to me. I will edit my first post!
@Blursela that was the joke, he is not safe in death. But he is happier in it as Warwick
That was a very good and interesting conversation
sooo happy to see you cover arcane!! it’s such an incredible show and your analysis so far on vi and vander is AMAZING! can’t wait to see your other arcane videos
Digging the Arcane analysis
This video is a literal masterpiece
People (and Jinx) shouldn't blame Vi for "creating" Jinx it was basically Vander who did since he didn't raise them properly
this show's writing is so complex, its incredible. to throw all the blame on one person is sort of dismissing the incredible character crafting thats gone into this show, its like a web you gotta connect. SO MUCH GOIN ON AHHH
@@lydiscott yeah if you HAVE to blame a specific person who had more direct control over Powder it was Vander but if Piltover wasn't so horrible there wouldn't be a need for bloody rebellious in the first place. I love how multifaceted every single character is in this show!
nah I disagree , Vander didnt create Jinx... Vi neither ...it was many things that created Jinx, its just soo much trauma and pain in her life that she literally went mad...and you cant really blame Silco either...he didnt know what to do...his mentally unstable daughter is doing reckless stuff and he cant get her the help she needs cause they are in ZAUN , so instead he tried to listen to her and encourage her the way he knew how....Silco himself was a broken man aswell who only fueled what Jinx became but I just dont see what else he could have done you know.... politics is the problem in here ... Pilties are oppressors who have turned Zaun into a hellhole where people suffer and they are not willing to do anything to help them
OK the bridge thing was years ago, and I kinda think that the falling out was because Silco maneuvered in some form, without him, perhaps, as he does later, they were like brothers he said and that betrayal at the water had to be something huge. I don't think it was shimmer yet, that seems to come later, though for sure I can only say that concentrated larger dose, if not a slightly different concoction based on shimmer. I think Silco went ahead with something far more aggressive than Vander ever was on board with, maybe he had a better plan and Silco did something that would ensure those enforcers came over, because he wanted the fight. When he says later to Vander that he will die for a cause but not fight for one, it seems he is talking of not only the present, like maybe Vander was trying to do something much more diplomatic with the threat of force behind it but hoping never to have to, we can be sure of nothing here, from just the series, but I think there are many hints that show vaguely why, and when things go wrong, and people die, that maybe is what really caused Vander to nearly kill Silco the first time. He was still a fighter, and wreckless in some regard back then, but I think that Silco rallied the lanes in some respect to force things to happen much more violently and chaotically. I could entirely be wrong, my evidence is very thin and mostly just reasoning from things I picked up that were very sparse. But the nation of Zaun also, as you referred to it, didn't really exist, that is what they had been fighting for, they were just under Piltover, they were not a separate nation yet, until Silco makes that deal AFTER all the terrible things and other attempts to have their independence. The rest I pretty much agree with, good channel, keep up the good work.
i find it funny that Vander does not actually understand what talking involves. Like Silco evil OG plan is a heavily employed talking 101 tactic and vander said no we need to talk. its at that point i saw Vander had wishful thinking on how people worked.
awesome video, love the maester almond reference at the end👍
Pretty sure Vander has major insecure attachment after his first loss.
He manipulates his people to maintain civility, and shoulders the burden of responsibility for their well being because he doesn't trust them.
The not accepting other people agency leading to worse outcomes is a pretty cool take
I do think there's one logical extension missing however, Vi had always accepted the agency of all her siblings and friends, just after Vander got abducted she still accepts the agency of Mylo and Claggor but not that of Powder. Which is directly connected to Vander asking her to protect the family, Vi kinda does it half half.
It's the worst outcome, they could've easily succeeded just by having Powder present but not doing anything.
Now they failed due to powder still being present but "succeeding" at what she always wanted, be a tinkerer.
Powder rightfully enforces her agency against Vis will to give us the most horrifying conclusion.
I think viewers are way too biased towards Vi ngl, she kinda sucks just less overtly that Silco does
Tangent: the show is unfortunately very confused about Silco too, since his employment of Shimmer to fight is super logical. His direct distribution making Zaunites addicted isn't, not even from the standpoint that it helps him build connections and get funds for his revolutionary efforts. In this sense Silcos arc promotes reactionary politics of things never changing, as Silcos desire to make things better made everything worse. I don't like it.
He very much became like the chembarons and we don't see him working on an independent Zaun in any way other than when he tries to make Jynx figure out hextech and his peace deal he prepared for Jayce. This could've been a decent set up for a power corrupts arc but it isn't.
Silco just takes varied confusing actions most of which only assert his dominance through terror, some of which do nothing, and it concludes with him stating his genuine love for Jynx.
He accepting her poor unhelpful behavior is less tied into anything either than it is with Vi or Vander or Powder. Because most of what she does is only tied to Silcos personal gains and status, not his efforts to make life better for all Zaunites.
Even if the idea was Silco trying to go the slow route of building strong enough individual presences to allow for a peace deal, with all the shimmer victims being short term collateral, it doesn't really make sense.
It very much just gives the impression that Silco doesn't care about Zaunites, only about getting the independence however is possible. Basically a powergrab, because with the way it was set up who else but Silco could govern the underground? He did easily give up producing shimmer but it's not the only thing he could continue doing. Having ruled using violence and everything.
The only true point of sympathy is that Silco loves Jynx, which shouldn't be enough for us viewers to forgive and forget, he fails as a foil for Vander imo and it's a shame that these are the choices Fortiche made.
The show is still critical of Piltover, doing a both-sides-ism but it's still much less critical of Piltover than Silco for the same crimes. And it still centers Piltover as the place with morally corrupt actors but all of the potential the power and the willingness to change things for better. Silco gets gifted his peace by Jayce, who doesn't even haggle can you believe it, and I think that's a bit of a weak message after how hungry for violence and power, and how dismissive of the underground as a whole, the council (as a whole) was previously.
Not even Jayces own bigotry in the face of Viktor was explored much and Season 2 gives me little hope.
Could you do an in-depth on Ekko? Not just the Jinx fight, but him as a character and what he symbolises. Thanks!
Absolutely!
@@lydiscott awesome thanks! ❤️
Glad to see your channel is getting more traction. Keep doing this content and ЗА МОНОЛИТ!
Also - LoL Spoilers
Vander IS Warwick. One of the first season 2 trailers showed him hanging up from Singeds ceiling. In his Shimmer form he looks and rawr a very similary to Warwick. Here’s all the hints Wiki gives us abt it
Vander's alias, "The Hound of the Underground", is similar to Warwick's alias, "The Uncaged Wrath of Zaun".
Vander is called a lapdog by Silco.
Vander is the one who taught Vi Vi how to punch, and one of Warwick's lines towards her is "Who taught you how to punch?".
Another one of Warwick's lines, "You were there…", is addressed towards Jinx and is a possible reference to her being present next to Vander's body after her bombs destroyed Silco's hideout.
Warwick's theme is heard during Vander's capture and shortly before his death.
After he ingested Shimmer, Vander's physique, voice, and growl became similar to Warwick's.
During her mental breakdown in the final episode of Arcane's 1st season, Jinx pictures Vander with a wolf-like outline around him.
I would love to see how you understand this form of him. How he turns into a monster fr, he wanted peace and now he’s trapped in endless war.
Ibulldesign on tumblr said:
I can't believe I only just now made this connection.
In the trailer Ambessa says that Wrath must be met with Wrath, and Warwick is known as Zaun's Unchained Wrath.
There is also the fact that Ambessa's mask, during the shot of her killing Enforcers, has three claw like gashes on it.
Combine this with her speech from season 1 about foxes and wolves, which definitely points to her coming face to face with Warwick and finding out exactly what a real wolf is like.
Also god ik I’m spamming but the way you said Vander was in the light whilst Silco was in the shadows reminds me of Jayce and Viktor. They both work towards the greater good, progress, and they end in similar positions to Vander n Silco but in dif ways.
Whoa, I noticed that Twitch name drop! It'a fun theory but I don't think it's him. His name as far as we know is Huck.
So that was actually me reading somewhere that he was called twitch, not huck, and then I only realized later I was incorrect lmaoooo I have no background knowledge on league my bf was like “yeahhhh twitch is someone different”
@@lydiscott Surprisingly, it's not the first time I've seen people make that connection, they give a similar vibe. But if anyone is Twitch, it's better to look at the shimmer-ed up mouse from episode 1, lol
Great analysis.
Generational trauma fr hit
your videos are really amazing. please keep it up, you deserve more views 🤗You picked perfect background music and b-roll footage.
Thank you so much! Will do :)
hey, I think you have your blue yeti on the wrong setting, it struck me in the T-Bug video. You got it in stereo mode, the cardioid mode (second from the right) is the one that is recommended for voice overs etc. Great videos, been binging them since yesterday!
if you just like the stereo better, thats fine of course, but if youve been unaware of it, testing might be good :D
AHHHH OMG THANK YOU
@@lydiscott hahaha no worries, youll of course have to test and tune your gain/volume/filters for it to actually sound better than the stereo mode, but you probably know your way around that already! Keep up the good work!
Watched the whole video, but I feel she doesn't get why Vander did what he did because she doesn't understand poverty and the overwhelming force of autocracy. She also doesn't understand the meaning of responsibility in this context. She kept referring to it as toxic, which just sits wrong with me.
It is toxic, though. You can acknowledge the reasons for it(poverty and lack of social support system) happening while also recognizing it as toxic. He basically passes on the worst mindsets to his children and it shows how generational curses continue. Vander has unresolved issues that are influencing his parenting and leadership.
He also essentially betrays his people by striking that lapdog deal with their oppressors.
Yeah, I heard about those Vander theories back when the first trailer for season 2 dropped. I do hope that they do not bring him back as it would kinda lessen the impact his death gives.
They’ve been lingering since s1 finished airing and a lil while after with a teaser that practically confirmed it. (League of Legends lore.) Seems it was always the intention. But me personally I think it will add a lot more to each of their characters and their dynamics bringing him back.
The key thing that’ll make it better than most stories is the how, and the why. The “why” is usually something flimsy like stirring up more trouble. But arcane has proved themselves more than capable of giving us the exact opposite of a lacklustre storyline.
It’s not going to be some sappy reunion. Vander is gone.
One could say in season 2 his passed will be hounding him if that famous Theory turns out to be true
9:08 no, ma'am, Vander knew for a fact that the undercity didn't have the fire force nor the allies to go up against Piltover and, in doing so, they will lose a lot of lives for nothing.
Silco plan never was War he states that to Vander, his OG plan was use shimmer as leverage at the bargaining table. Vander is ignoring the very basics of talking 101 like what cards o you have in your hand.
History rhymes, lets hope that Vi rhymes the good option this time around.
its like poetry it rhymes
ARCANE!!!!
Silco stop respecting Vander because Vander worked for the enforcers like a lap dog, Silco worked whit Marcus, but it was Silco who was in charge.
Never been this early to anything before 😂
Vander make me think of belle-mere from one piece
Ok fine... I'll watch Arcane
MWAHAHHA
@@ef174 wise choice 😂
Enjoy
Prepare to cry
Who they have definitely confirmed he will be there in S2 if you know what I mean
I love your videos so much!!!! Can you make a video how terrible Vander is as a father especially to Powder(Jinx), Claggor & Milo & how Vander favors only Vi & how he doesn't care at all for the other kids & how Vander should have found so many other ways & alternative solutions to help the people & Zaun from being anymore poor & sick!!!!
Well, slow down there, we don't even know why Vander tried to drown Silco in the first place. More likely it was the typical masculine thing. You know, pheromones and all that.
Brutality of the enforcers is a baffling take. It's like saying the brutality of the police who defend themselves from rioters with force proportionate to the riot. It's like blaming a store for shooting an armed robber. Don't want to get shot? Don't start a robbery. Don't want to get truncheoned? Don't start a riot. Don't want the cops to come searching for criminals who broke the truce you signed? Don't send your citizens to rob people. Zaun isn't the victim of Piltover; Piltover is a victim of Zaun.
Vi never once protected Powder, her first scene was her bringing Powder, an eight year old child, with her on a dangerous robbery, the least dangerous part being the possibility of falling off the roof of a multistory building to pillage the workshop of a place she had no knowledge of its contents or defenses. She just used Powder in her schemes at a rate of involvement to the extent she thought Powder could be useful.
It's a part of what makes s2 so compelling. The entire time until then she had her eyes fixed on hell and a self-reinforcing damnation- in contrast to Viktor who focused on earning his way out by intellect ability and accomplishment. Once she joins Piltover she sets her eyes on heaven, but has to eliminate a devil she created to have the chance at it.
Zuan is the victim of Piltover, the pollution, the poor living conditions, poor financial development all of that is the direct result of Piltovers actions. Piltover has shown that while it is a city of progress it has no qualms in letting its trash and pollution harm the lower levels. Out of sight and out of mind. Piltover has every resources possible to make Zaun better, to clean up the chemical waste and pollution but actively chooses not to. Can you really blame Zaunites who are struggling to survive to revolt against Piltover when they treat them like trash after the get whatever use they have for them?
@@warboss3686 Zaun, especially its criminal gangs, is responsible for all of that.
@@Avenus112they really weren’t, the criminals were a direct result to the harsh living conditions. Zaun used to not be heavily polluted. However the excessive mining is what’s causing the chemical fogs to appear all over Zaun. The reason for the excessive mining was due to mineral found in those mines that the higher city Piltover wanted no matter what.
@@warboss3686 Zaun, especially its criminal gains, is responsible for all of that. None of it is due to Piltover's actions, Piltover's responsibilities were yielding payment for services rendered, Zaun's sresponsibility was using its resources and the price for them properly.
I do blame the people responsible for the problems for those problems. Zaun is responsible, so I blame Zaun. Zaun's poverty is due to its criminal element, since crime causes poverty. Piltover could have begun an enormous crackdown following Zaun's riot of aggression but it didn't- it disengaged and allowed some autonomy and selfpolicing, if Zaun policed itself properly.
Zaun took the semi-autonomy but sent its pillagers and looters, such as adolescent Vi's squad, to prey on Piltover, which means Zaun never had any intention of honouring any agreement with Piltover unless it helped its pillaging.
Every reasoned analysis, independent of misleading politics, demonstrates Zaun is the problem.
@@warboss3686 They really were, the criminals were due to Zaun's mismanagement. Failing to manage your district's resources properly isn't an excuse to prey on Piltover. The pollution was due to toxic fumes released from mining in the underground, it was Zaun's responsibility to manage its resources properly to address that.
Still loops back on Zaun as the problem. The reason for the mining is that Zaun had something that it could profit from that Piltover wanted, which Piltover charged the price it was willing to pay for and which Zaun found acceptable so Zaun delivered it, and squandered those resources.
Zaun is still the problem.
I think silko and vander falling out was that silko wanted to continue the war but vander wanted it to end also silkos experiments 🧪 we’re going too far also I disagree vander wanted peace if they had continued the war zon would have likely bin destroyed they are less technologically advanced less fire power and less man power the only mistake he made was helping vi coddle powder and not preparing her for the eventuality that she might have to Servive on her own and I hole heartedly believe that silko was gonna kill powder but when he saw here crying he saw himself in powder an orphan that abandoned by her family for trying to do the right thing vander and silko mirror vi and jinx perfectly vi wants to carry on vanders dream of peace between the two city’s while jinx thinks that the only path to true freedom is do destroy your enemy regardless of the collateral damage