I have a 606NT pull type I am very pleased with. I found out early on no matter who made the drill it HAS to be level to perform correctly. I pull it with a 2020 Deere or a 5075E Deere. Great Plains has years of experience with colter systems. That is why they are so dependable.
I am glad I watched this, I had considered a Genesis but bought the pull type 606NT without a native seed box. That drill would appear to solve most of the issues you mentioned, two drive wheels and not as long without the native seed box plus and the main most advantage is can be pulled with a much smaller tractor. Down side, it is too wide for a trailer to carry around farm to farm, must be towed but mine never leaves my property
Glad it was helpful! Check out our newest comparison featuring differences between the Genesis and PH Outdoors drill. Lots of new info there as well. Thanks for watching!
Good detailed review, thank you. I know this is not exactly in your wheelhouse, but maybe you'll know; what's a good small option? Does such a thing exist?
Well done! I hear most folks take the front coulters off their Genesis Drills....or never buy them. I'm working in pretty sandy level ground.....so I am gonna try to get along with a Great Plains 3P500 in a smaller tractor. I'm hearing folks like me (small time food plotters) get along pretty well with that configuration. I'm sure you have too many different scenarios to deal with. One other thing that gives allot of points to the Great Plains for my needs.....is that small seed box on the Great Plains. I know you can get them at extra cost on the Genesis.....but few have to date. Thanks. for some real world comparisons. Kudos!
Thanks Tom, appreciate the support! For the vast majority of folks I wouldn't recommend the front coulters. If you have hard ground your could simply remove the depth gauge pins and let weight of the drill work the disk openers in and let it plant where it plants. That would probably work. I would also agree with you on the 3P500, nice machine, especially for flat, sandy ground. I'd likely do the same if that were the only ground I was working; good option! Small seed box is nice to have, we like and use ours often. Thanks for watching!
Hi Nick - we can certainly work on this. Need some warmer weather as we have most of that equipment stored, but it will be out as we get closer to spring and we can try to shoot a video on how we set up the spray system on the no till drills and our corn planter. Thanks for watching, appreciate the support!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots Thankyou for the feedback, I had saw in a couple videos that you carry a tank in the bucket of the tractor to help appicate while planting. Thanks again for replying.
Thanks for watching Jim, appreciate it! Unfortunately, we haven't had any experience with that drill set up from Great Plains. We did look extensively at buying the 8' with lift assist but just didn't see the economic benefit when compared to the cost of the Genesis. Look for a new video on drills coming soon, we just took delivery of 2 8' PH Outdoors G8's and will be updating this video soon.
HI Marc - we used 5/16" - 18 x 1 1/2" grade 8 bolt which should thread into the shackle itself. We secured it further with a lock nut on the back side. Thanks for watching!
I had my first D Shackle pin fall out today on the bottom shackle. We could not get a new pin in because there is not enough space between the discs to fit the pin back into the shackle and we didn't have the 5/16" bolts on hand. Did you run into this problem? Thank you.
Great video, very informative. Wish I would’ve watched before I made my purchase. What grease do you use for the zerk fittings on the wheels for the Genesis?
Hi Sam - we use Mystik 14 oz JT-6 Multi - Purpose Lithium Complex Grease. We did deconstruct all the wheels on our Genesis and replaced all rivets with bolts and replaced all the bearings. Per the recommendation of RTP, we used 6205-2RS, 25x52x15 Sealed bearings and removed the inside seal on the bearings so you can continue greasing them effectively. If one fails, it will now be much easier to replace them by just taking the bolts out. We also added a bead of silicone around the entire rim where it meets the tire and also siliconed the blank holes to help prevent unwanted dirt. Hope that's helpful and thanks for watching!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots This is GREAT information! I have had my 5 HD for 2 seasons now and cannot tell you how much grease I have used. Grease before I start planting, grease when I break for lunch and grease at the end of the day..... Thank you for this bearing # and all the information!
That was a really great video! I'm only doing about 5 acres a year for my plots. I'm thinking the genesis 5 would last me forever and may not see hardly any of the maintenance issues. Are the Genesis coulters a must? Im doing a corn/winter rye rotation. Also, I would probably have to get the genesis lighter duty drill. I have a 2005 John Deere 4320 compact.
We have tried planting row corn with both the Genesis and Great Plains and neither are very good at consistency. At the end of the day, they are not designed to meter seed in any way other than weight. To maximize corn, it really needs to be done with a corn planter. I would say we have even had better success broadcasting corn than planting through the drill (see broadcast corn video). Not saying it can't be done, but the drill is not the best tool for the job for consistency. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Great video. I'm curious of your thoughts comparing a no till drill like a GP 606NT to a multi purpose seeder like the GP MPS2607. I plant a Spring wildlife mix that contains soybeans, grain sorghum, foxtail millet and sunflowers and a Fall wildlife mix that contains oats, winter wheat, peas, turnips and rape. For these seed mixes would you recommend a no till drill or a multi purpose seeder? Appreciate your experience and expertise. These units are expensive so I want to make the correct purchase. Thanks, Dave
Hi David - I think this will come down to your soil and if you continue to plant mixes. The MPS2607 should do just fine in good quality light to loamy soil. If you have heavy or rocky ground, I would go the 606NT route. The MPS drill won't give you the planting depth control nor the exacting seed volume control as the 606NT will but for the blends you are planting, it's also not as critical. The 606NT will perform much better if you are planting single crops of larger seeds like soybeans. I suspect the MPS will do it just not as well as it's a better design for planting smaller seeds like the others in your blends. Overall, my take is the MPS is a high quality tool that will do well with smaller seeds/blends in good soil. If you are looking at larger seeds or your soil is rocky and heavy, the 606NT may be the better route. That's my $.02 for what it's worth. Thanks for the support!
Couple thoughts - It seems pretty universal that the cutting coulters on the genesis are not well liked and lots of people just don't use them. have you tried just going without? With the genesis, can you seed at low enough rates for pure small seed plantings like perennial clover or brassicas? Looks like you have small, large, and native grass seed boxes on the GP and a single box on the genesis. I'd assume that makes the great plains much more versatile if one wants to plant fluffy grass seed or seed large and small seeds at the same time at different depths?
HI Brody, On the genesis, you can certainly seed at a low enough rate for it to work. That said, if you are planting very small acreage, you will likely need some extra seed just to insure fill and keep all the seed tubes full to make sure you are continuously planting. That's true for both GP and Genesis. If we are planting clover for the first time (i.e. not an overseed), we often mix the clover with a cover crop of oats and that will give you plenty of seed. You are also correct that the GP gives you more precise versatility. You can more accurately calibrate and plant large and small seeds together with two boxes and also gives better depth control, especially for the small seeds. The Genesis will plant everything in a blend, but you need to err on the side of planting shallow for everything to grow and also make sure you blend your seed very well to make sure you are planting the correct amount of each species in the mix. It's also a good idea to get out and remix the blends by hand while planting with the Genesis as some blends will settle out the smallest seed to the bottom of the seed box giving uneven plantings. If all you ever planted were small seeds, and only needed one box, I'd give the edge to the Genesis, however, as it's much easier to calibrate. You can plant fluffy see through the Genesis, but it's much easier through the native box on the GP. The GP has a specialized auger to keep the seed from compacting and much larger seed tubes for the natives to prevent clogging. That said, we tried the Genesis for natives last year and planted a very fluffy mix and blended it with Marth Easy Pick wood shavings to make sure it flowed. It was definitely an experiment but we did get it to work after a little trial and error which isn't ideal with seed that runs several hundred dollars and acre! Hope that helps. Thanks for the support!
We have our corn and soybeans delivered to our shop direct from the individual seed companies. We have our fall forage blends custom made and delivered to our shop as well. Feel free to shoot me an email or message via Facebook and we can talk about helping you get seed if you need it. Thanks!
Thanks for your video. I always wondered about the differences. I bought a used 6P. I only plant small food plots. Mine is compact because it doesn't have the front disk. So I try to plant after a rain. Seems to cut deep enough. I think it weighs about 1800 lbs. Which is about all my 33hp Kubota can lift. So far I have been happy. I don't worry about precise calibration since I only plant a few acres.
6205-2RS is the bearing number. 2 bearings on each press wheel. We removed the inner seal on each of them to still grease them. We’ve had to change one since we replaced them all. We also drilled out all the rivets in the two piece wheel and replaced them with bolts. Makes future changes much easier. Sorry your’e having issues. Good luck!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots Thanks! I'm having a hard time comprehending where the grease could go if you eventually got it all full. Wouldn't it hit the backside of the solid tire if it goes out the seam?
@@midwesthabitatcompany9321 once you get a wheel apart you’ll see what’s going on. There are several places the grease settles in and it’s not the bearings. You’ll be surprised how big the cavity is that needs to be filled. We also siliconed the seam between the rubber tire and the two piece wheel. Best of luck!
Seems like a lot of guys are doing it though. $30k is pretty high as you can get a 5' GP drill in the low 20's, but still a lot of cash none the less. We do it commercially so it makes sense for the acres we run and the small places we need to get into. Thanks for watching and appreciate the support!
I wouldn't say junk, as it has planted a lot of acres for us, but it does require a good deal more in repair time and cost. We are doing more repairs now after planting about 350 acres with it this spring. Thanks for watching, appreciate the support!
I have a 606NT pull type I am very pleased with. I found out early on no matter who made the drill it HAS to be level to perform correctly. I pull it with a 2020 Deere or a 5075E Deere. Great Plains has years of experience with colter systems. That is why they are so dependable.
I am glad I watched this, I had considered a Genesis but bought the pull type 606NT without a native seed box. That drill would appear to solve most of the issues you mentioned, two drive wheels and not as long without the native seed box plus and the main most advantage is can be pulled with a much smaller tractor. Down side, it is too wide for a trailer to carry around farm to farm, must be towed but mine never leaves my property
Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching!
Great video, Matt! Very informative! Also, appreciate the info about corn seed through the Great Plains drill!
Thanks Patrick....Spread the word :)
@@genesiscustomfoodplots Will do!!
What was the info? I seemed to have missed and not heard anything about planting corn when watching.
This is a great comparison video. And the information makes a big difference in my thoughts. I greatly appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful! Check out our newest comparison featuring differences between the Genesis and PH Outdoors drill. Lots of new info there as well. Thanks for watching!
Good detailed review, thank you.
I know this is not exactly in your wheelhouse, but maybe you'll know; what's a good small option? Does such a thing exist?
Well done! I hear most folks take the front coulters off their Genesis Drills....or never buy them. I'm working in pretty sandy level ground.....so I am gonna try to get along with a Great Plains 3P500 in a smaller tractor. I'm hearing folks like me (small time food plotters) get along pretty well with that configuration. I'm sure you have too many different scenarios to deal with. One other thing that gives allot of points to the Great Plains for my needs.....is that small seed box on the Great Plains. I know you can get them at extra cost on the Genesis.....but few have to date. Thanks. for some real world comparisons. Kudos!
Thanks Tom, appreciate the support! For the vast majority of folks I wouldn't recommend the front coulters. If you have hard ground your could simply remove the depth gauge pins and let weight of the drill work the disk openers in and let it plant where it plants. That would probably work. I would also agree with you on the 3P500, nice machine, especially for flat, sandy ground. I'd likely do the same if that were the only ground I was working; good option! Small seed box is nice to have, we like and use ours often. Thanks for watching!
Great presentation!
Can you do a video on your spraying system on your drill and your notill planter
Hi Nick - we can certainly work on this. Need some warmer weather as we have most of that equipment stored, but it will be out as we get closer to spring and we can try to shoot a video on how we set up the spray system on the no till drills and our corn planter. Thanks for watching, appreciate the support!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots Thankyou for the feedback, I had saw in a couple videos that you carry a tank in the bucket of the tractor to help appicate while planting. Thanks again for replying.
This is a great video. Can you point me in the right direction to find the upgraded chain tensioners you found from Great Plains?
Very detailed and thanks, will save us a ton of money
Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching!
Would like to see a video on Great Plains with lift assist rear wheels. Liked your video, lots of great information.
Thanks for watching Jim, appreciate it! Unfortunately, we haven't had any experience with that drill set up from Great Plains. We did look extensively at buying the 8' with lift assist but just didn't see the economic benefit when compared to the cost of the Genesis. Look for a new video on drills coming soon, we just took delivery of 2 8' PH Outdoors G8's and will be updating this video soon.
Great video. Thank you. Can you tell me what size grade 8 bolt you used for the D shackle?
HI Marc - we used 5/16" - 18 x 1 1/2" grade 8 bolt which should thread into the shackle itself. We secured it further with a lock nut on the back side. Thanks for watching!
Thank you. Very helpful!
I had my first D Shackle pin fall out today on the bottom shackle. We could not get a new pin in because there is not enough space between the discs to fit the pin back into the shackle and we didn't have the 5/16" bolts on hand. Did you run into this problem?
Thank you.
Great video, very informative. Wish I would’ve watched before I made my purchase. What grease do you use for the zerk fittings on the wheels for the Genesis?
Hi Sam - we use Mystik 14 oz JT-6 Multi - Purpose Lithium Complex Grease. We did deconstruct all the wheels on our Genesis and replaced all rivets with bolts and replaced all the bearings. Per the recommendation of RTP, we used 6205-2RS, 25x52x15 Sealed bearings and removed the inside seal on the bearings so you can continue greasing them effectively. If one fails, it will now be much easier to replace them by just taking the bolts out. We also added a bead of silicone around the entire rim where it meets the tire and also siliconed the blank holes to help prevent unwanted dirt. Hope that's helpful and thanks for watching!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots This is GREAT information! I have had my 5 HD for 2 seasons now and cannot tell you how much grease I have used. Grease before I start planting, grease when I break for lunch and grease at the end of the day..... Thank you for this bearing # and all the information!
@@patvedder9204 Thanks for watching!
That was a really great video! I'm only doing about 5 acres a year for my plots. I'm thinking the genesis 5 would last me forever and may not see hardly any of the maintenance issues. Are the Genesis coulters a must? Im doing a corn/winter rye rotation. Also, I would probably have to get the genesis lighter duty drill. I have a 2005 John Deere 4320 compact.
My lift capacity is 2500 lb at 24 inches
Great Plains-you'll pay more but, they'll last and are very reliable.
Fantastic information. Thank you!
Thanks for watching! Look for an update to this video coming soon!
You have a native grass box on your Great Plains and so does mine. The Genesis doesn't have the Native seed box so it is shorter.
I have a Great Plains 606NT tow behind drill. It is a 6' and my drive wheels is on the side not in the front middle.
Happen to know the bolt and nylon nut size you put into the shackled?
Great information
Thanks for watching, appreciate the support!
How is your corn spacing consistency on the genises 8? We have a genises 5 and it's very inconsistent, maybe we are doing something wrong?
We have tried planting row corn with both the Genesis and Great Plains and neither are very good at consistency. At the end of the day, they are not designed to meter seed in any way other than weight. To maximize corn, it really needs to be done with a corn planter. I would say we have even had better success broadcasting corn than planting through the drill (see broadcast corn video). Not saying it can't be done, but the drill is not the best tool for the job for consistency. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Great video. I'm curious of your thoughts comparing a no till drill like a GP 606NT to a multi purpose seeder like the GP MPS2607. I plant a Spring wildlife mix that contains soybeans, grain sorghum, foxtail millet and sunflowers and a Fall wildlife mix that contains oats, winter wheat, peas, turnips and rape. For these seed mixes would you recommend a no till drill or a multi purpose seeder? Appreciate your experience and expertise. These units are expensive so I want to make the correct purchase. Thanks, Dave
Hi David - I think this will come down to your soil and if you continue to plant mixes. The MPS2607 should do just fine in good quality light to loamy soil. If you have heavy or rocky ground, I would go the 606NT route. The MPS drill won't give you the planting depth control nor the exacting seed volume control as the 606NT will but for the blends you are planting, it's also not as critical. The 606NT will perform much better if you are planting single crops of larger seeds like soybeans. I suspect the MPS will do it just not as well as it's a better design for planting smaller seeds like the others in your blends. Overall, my take is the MPS is a high quality tool that will do well with smaller seeds/blends in good soil. If you are looking at larger seeds or your soil is rocky and heavy, the 606NT may be the better route. That's my $.02 for what it's worth. Thanks for the support!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots Thanks for the quick and detailed response!
Couple thoughts - It seems pretty universal that the cutting coulters on the genesis are not well liked and lots of people just don't use them. have you tried just going without?
With the genesis, can you seed at low enough rates for pure small seed plantings like perennial clover or brassicas?
Looks like you have small, large, and native grass seed boxes on the GP and a single box on the genesis. I'd assume that makes the great plains much more versatile if one wants to plant fluffy grass seed or seed large and small seeds at the same time at different depths?
HI Brody, On the genesis, you can certainly seed at a low enough rate for it to work. That said, if you are planting very small acreage, you will likely need some extra seed just to insure fill and keep all the seed tubes full to make sure you are continuously planting. That's true for both GP and Genesis. If we are planting clover for the first time (i.e. not an overseed), we often mix the clover with a cover crop of oats and that will give you plenty of seed.
You are also correct that the GP gives you more precise versatility. You can more accurately calibrate and plant large and small seeds together with two boxes and also gives better depth control, especially for the small seeds. The Genesis will plant everything in a blend, but you need to err on the side of planting shallow for everything to grow and also make sure you blend your seed very well to make sure you are planting the correct amount of each species in the mix. It's also a good idea to get out and remix the blends by hand while planting with the Genesis as some blends will settle out the smallest seed to the bottom of the seed box giving uneven plantings. If all you ever planted were small seeds, and only needed one box, I'd give the edge to the Genesis, however, as it's much easier to calibrate.
You can plant fluffy see through the Genesis, but it's much easier through the native box on the GP. The GP has a specialized auger to keep the seed from compacting and much larger seed tubes for the natives to prevent clogging. That said, we tried the Genesis for natives last year and planted a very fluffy mix and blended it with Marth Easy Pick wood shavings to make sure it flowed. It was definitely an experiment but we did get it to work after a little trial and error which isn't ideal with seed that runs several hundred dollars and acre!
Hope that helps. Thanks for the support!
I just found your channel. I'm about 9 miles from you. Where do you get your corn and soybean seed?
We have our corn and soybeans delivered to our shop direct from the individual seed companies. We have our fall forage blends custom made and delivered to our shop as well. Feel free to shoot me an email or message via Facebook and we can talk about helping you get seed if you need it. Thanks!
Thanks for your video. I always wondered about the differences. I bought a used 6P. I only plant small food plots. Mine is compact because it doesn't have the front disk. So I try to plant after a rain. Seems to cut deep enough. I think it weighs about 1800 lbs. Which is about all my 33hp Kubota can lift. So far I have been happy. I don't worry about precise calibration since I only plant a few acres.
Thanks for watching Jeff - sounds like you have a good program going for your application. Best of luck and thanks for the support!
did you find an alternate bearing for the press wheels on the RTP? I just had all of mine go out.....
6205-2RS is the bearing number. 2 bearings on each press wheel. We removed the inner seal on each of them to still grease them. We’ve had to change one since we replaced them all. We also drilled out all the rivets in the two piece wheel and replaced them with bolts. Makes future changes much easier. Sorry your’e having issues. Good luck!
@@genesiscustomfoodplots Thanks! I'm having a hard time comprehending where the grease could go if you eventually got it all full. Wouldn't it hit the backside of the solid tire if it goes out the seam?
@@midwesthabitatcompany9321 once you get a wheel apart you’ll see what’s going on. There are several places the grease settles in and it’s not the bearings. You’ll be surprised how big the cavity is that needs to be filled. We also siliconed the seam between the rubber tire and the two piece wheel. Best of luck!
sounds like the great plains is better for large acreage and Genesis is better for small acreage and food plots.
It’s clear your not adjusting press wheels correctly to keep your drill even and to not blow your drive wheel.
pity about the music way tooo loud
The Great Plains is better but who on earth would pay 30k for such a narrow drill?!
Seems like a lot of guys are doing it though. $30k is pretty high as you can get a 5' GP drill in the low 20's, but still a lot of cash none the less. We do it commercially so it makes sense for the acres we run and the small places we need to get into. Thanks for watching and appreciate the support!
yeah...turn the tunes down...just annoying.
The genesis looks to be a piece of junk
I wouldn't say junk, as it has planted a lot of acres for us, but it does require a good deal more in repair time and cost. We are doing more repairs now after planting about 350 acres with it this spring. Thanks for watching, appreciate the support!