Rory & Hugh ARGUE Over Whether Southgate Has Been A SUCCESS For England No Matter What Happens 😱🔥
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Rory Jennings and Hugh Woozencroft discuss Gareth Southgate's reputation and legacy.
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I want to see him go whatever happens but how successful he has been comes down to whether he wins on Sunday or not. If he hasn't won anything after 4 stabs at it given the draws and the players at his disposal, then he's ultimately underachieved.
I’d disagree, may have had some decent draws but remember how bad it was before he came in, losing to Iceland in the euros hardly even making it out of a group, now we are semi finalists minimum most tournaments
@@ryanbyrne1497if stoppage time against Slovakia was only 4 mins…then it would have just as bad Iceland what you on about lol he’s running on luck and individualism
@@emz7 exactly the fact people can't see this is mind-blowing, we have struggled all tournament against poor teams and got bailed out by Bellinghams wonder goal, every time we play a team with similar level of talent we lose
We have had good draws because of good results. Good results in the qualifiers to get a good group, and then good results in groups to get good draws. We should have had France and Belgium on our side of the draw, neither of them finished top of their group so ended up on the other side of the draw. Southgate ultimately is responsible for the results in qualifiers, the results in the groups, which led to the good draws.
@@digg_7Southgate decided not to sub Bellingham. That is a decision he has made.
Hugh is just trying to justify him being angry that ten hag kept his job after winning fa cup, his football beliefs being shown to be wrong at every turn😂
Hugh has a loser mentality. I agree with Rory. Southgate is only a success if he wins a trophy. Simple as.
Semi, Final, QF, Final/WInner - that is a pretty good record for any International Manager over 4 tournaments. And yet I cannot bring myself to love Sougtgate or his sides. We are very lucky to get this far - he was 12 seconds from the sack - not that Bellingham's goal was luck - but bizarely I think that if he WINS on Sunday he will step down, but if he loses, he will carry on.....so I truly hope we win !!!
Its hard to judge. Yes Southgate has brought us to finals and semis but we haven't beaten a strong team yet either. If we keep Southgate i hope we are part of a more fair/ tough group to see what we are made of early! Many other managers with this talented team against the lack of opposition we've faced i believe could've done the same job or better. Southgate was in the right place at the right time
Southgate is so likable that he's unlikable. Time for a change. England needs to be an attacking side. Be the entertainers rather than the accountants
This guy makes Rory look incredibly intelligent...
Rory you have been slating Southgate but ur heart is in right place because he gave you a great moment and now you have developed a modicum of loyalty toward him possibly.
Back to back euros finals and a world cup semi tho says he has done some pretty good work..
he announced he was leaving before a ball was kicked because they should've been bounced way before ever reaching this point and he knows it
All the England fans were calling for him to be sacked last week labelling him as clueless yet he deserves a knighthood now? Did he suddenly become world class overnight? My granny could have gotten this team to the final, look who they were playing. The Dutch were very poor the other night I don’t think Spain are going to lie down like that. I think if England win the tournament it will be in spite of Southgate not because of him. Would any premier league fan want Southgate anywhere near their team? Would any championship teams fans? I highly doubt it, his brand of football is terrible he has one of if not the best squad in the world and they have never played anywhere near their potential and regularly squeak by lesser teams they should be dominating. I hope they keep him as I don’t think England will ever win anything under him regardless of how many finals they get to
We'll find out sunday
Fabian Ruiz has won serie a and ligue 1 hasn’t he? Blokes clueless
Maybe the discussion should be in terms of 'improvement' and 'developing an environment conducive to building towards success'. By these metrics, Southgate has done well. He may not have been 'successful in winning a tournament' but he has been 'successful in putting England on a parh towards improvement'. Semantics aswell.
But Southgate has also taken on an absolutely brilliant group of players in a time where many of the other big countries are fairly weak in comparison
Ridiculous arguments. Southgate did not train all these players at their clubs. He picks what he thinks are the best English players at the time. Southgate didn't develop them over 8 years.
It's semantics really. Technically he's not a success until he's successful at his goal which is winning major international tournaments. But it's unfair to frame it in that way. I still believe Southgate is strategically lacking. I still think he's been very lucky to get his overall results in these 8 years. BUT I won't deny him his due credit on achievements, even if we don't win this tournament, because his record speaks for itself. That can't be taken from him.
Of course he's been a success and we're going to win it! Ollie Watkins is the feature of my latest Euro 2024 short song.
I think it's time for a change most especially if we win. Usually they'll be a downturn with a group after winning unless he does a complete overhaul of the squad which knowing Southgate's mentality will definitely not happen retaining Maguire, Kalvin Phillips and God forbid Jordan Henderson.
Football is about so much more than just trophies. 95% of football fans would have no interest if that’s all that matters.
Liverpool lost to Madrid in Kiev but the journey up to that point was something that will live forever in Liverpool fans memories
Milwaukee Bucks got eliminated from the play-offs versus the Miami Heat and they were the higher seeded team that’s what you’re referring to. NBA fan here.
can't believe I agree with Man U fan Woozencroft over the other guy
4:56 Hugh is wrong to say "its in the context of where England were"
England managers have to be judged by the tools at their disposal , never in the history of England has a manager had the Bundesliga top scorer , the PL player of the year and the La Liga player of the year in the same team entering a tournament.
With this squad only the trophy can be seen as a success.
Rory nice Sergio tracksuit bro!! Maybe put a link in the description 😂😂
mad I find myself agreeing with Rory over this clown
Trophies=Success,otherwise it’s a case of bridesmaid rather than the bride
I presume Hugh is being polarising on purpose 'deciding his future on one game' the man has had 100 games in charge. Do not be a complete ignoramus.
I hope England keep. 😅 Love from Wales
How did Wales do in the euros tosser
England under Southgate have had the easiest runs for any team in successive tournaments. That's the context.
So what u still need to win the games
@@philiplewis7572 and most managers would've won them so your point is invalid
Southgate has been a total failure as he was at Middlesbrough, the FA also ! They all need sacking
Absolute rubbish.
So nearly every single manager of all time are all failures.
2nd most successful England manager ever
Rory just has to bring in Chelsea irrelevance into every debate. Boring
We shall see on Sunday.
English fan entitlement on view here. Hope Spain win and Southgate leaves
Southgate won't change his top or his starting 11 and people are expecting him to change his job? He should go no matter what. His style of football is boring, he can't manage a game, he's stubborn, his plan b is sheer panic and you can't give a person a job based on a string of luck. Everyone knows he's not getting the best out of the squad, everyone knows he plays lessor sides as though we're the underdog and everyone knows that there's hundreds of managers better at all aspects of the job. The minimum at the last World Cup was to beat Croatia, the minimum at the last Euro's was to win it and the bare minimum for this Euro's is to win it. If he doesn't win it he'd have been a total loser in my eyes. At least if he wins this time he can leave with the illusion of being a great manager, fool some big club to give him a hefty contract and then he'll get well and truly found out.
Everything you have said here is literally opinion based off of what you think you’re watching. No real concrete facts. England have a good team yes but that doesn’t mean they have a Devine right to win the tournament. Yes England should have beaten Italy that is true, but they lost on penalties and they weren’t ready. His plan B is absolutely no panic at all, never in his whole time as the manager has he looked like he is panicking. It’s not luck and it’s not coincidence that Gareth Southgate has taken England to 2 consecutive European championship finals. Look at the way the other winners have won the euros. They all won it playing their way of football right? Okay… well like it or not this is the English way of playing football and everyone knows it. No matter who the England manager is, they are not going to play free flowing attacking football, it just doesn’t work, it’s not in England DNA. And if England win on Sunday and you don’t give Southgate any credit for it and have the mindset the players did it without him and he had no influence they we might as well have the top premier league teams who also have good sides play with no manager next season then and we will see how they get on? You’re talking nonsense here. Southgate frustrates me at times yes but he also has earned praise. He went for the win against the Dutch and his 2 subs combined. He was brave and took off the premier league player of the year (Foden) and also his captain Harry Kane. And it worked so he should absolutely be getting the credit for that… if pep Guardiola makes that sub we’d be speaking his name for weeks, but because it’s Southgate and he plays a more defensive style that people don’t like people just try their hardest not to give him any credit at all even when things go right. Blaming him when it goes wrong and not giving him credit when it goes right is just stupidity that cannot denied to be honest. Get behind the team and get behind the manager for Christ sake. COME ON 🏴
Southgate has progressed the england team, but hasnt succeeded at winning a trophy. He has successfully made england get further than most tournaments in history .
come on. He got to those back-to-back finals by barely beating professional plumbers who are part time footballers. Always get the easy bracket and still win by sheer vibes.
"Get knocked out in the group stages or reach the final, it doesn't matter... if you don't win its a failure" dear god man.... really
He’s right tho it’s not like at club level where you build up success over years, club teams can be spurred on to go again next season after getting beat in a final a national team has to wait 2 years to go again in the meantime half the squad has changed. International success is winning tournaments anything else is a failure no matter how many finals you go to
What great team has he beat...he even lost to a terrible italy and Croatia
Croatia weren't terrible but we should've been proactive in that game tbf.
that Italy team were unbeaten in 36 matches before the euros so they weren't terrible, they were the best team that year. what on earth are you talking about.
The result of this Sunday HAS to be relevant because you can't sack a manager who has achieved what is asked of him. Even if it's a bullshit, scabby, lucky win. To even contemplate sacking him if we win this tournament is absolutely insane. Imagine what that'd do to the morale, passion and motivation of the team and manager of the future. Unreal demoralisation. We might as well sack off the next few tournaments if we do that. Otherwise we're gonna say he stays in no matter what? That's almost equally as bad. They only have a choice to make if we lose this upcoming match. I believe Southgate has been astoundingly lucky however I wouldn't dream of not allowing him a chance at the world cup if we win this.
We just about kept ourselves in against Slovakia in a single 'lucky' moment in the 95th minute of a 90min game. Funny how the narrative can so quickly switch to praise after the performances we've been putting in. This is why not all of us are so easily pleased with Southgate and want him gone. Let's be honest if England had a difficult draw of opponents we wouldn't have got out the groups. Maybe I hope Gareth stays on and next tournament we're in a more fair group and his true colours will be shown
Euros is not equal to the WC.
he should go regardless of sunday
Hugh makes all those points and then in the end says he shouldn’t stay. Waffle in a definition
This rory guy has MPD
Rory is correct for once.
You can't call him a success if he doesnt get a trophy with this bunch of players.
Its like saying Djokovic had a successful Wimbledon by reaching the final. Thats true of the British number 1 but not for Djokovic because Djokovic is way more talented.
hugh needs to stop holding gareths pocket..... some people love to reward mediocracy
Rory is just a gormless walking contradiction. Doubles down on his clear idiocy every time. Southgate has done a great job off the field but generally a poor job on it. Lets hope his luck holds but i think he has to go after this tournament provided theres someone already identified who can step in.
Rory….. wrong again Triper played again after you said he wouldn’t
No one remembers you when you finish 2nd. Likewise no one will remember Southgate as anything if he doesn’t win.
Most successful manager, facts. Folk moaning,look at the past, in our last 59 years, no brainer. Another final.
Absolutely nonsense. So everyone that raced Usain Bolt in a final was a failure. Getting to a final and not winning, he says is the same as never getting there?? Foolish argument
Being a successful loser is not a notable accolade in elite competition
@@ricer-o6qyes but it matters if you are 1st loser or 6th loser. Just like it matters if u r vice president vs being a mail man. It can’t all be just black or white. Life is never that simple. There are always levels
2nd is the 1st loser.
England are the Usain Bolt of football finances, hype, population, self styled status. Usain Bolt had to win and did.
No F...way... please...Foxtrot Oscar..GS we've all had enuff of him
Inherited the squad that went out in the group in Brazil with 1 point & lost to Iceland in Round of 16.
Two finals, a semi and a quarters, course it’s been successful ffs🤣
It’s night and day for those of us in the travel club.
Best manager in our history (Sir Alf aside) and it’s not even close
He is the first England manager to see us into two finals since probably never. Yet some people still don't rate him.
Because of the level of talent we have in our squad in comparison to the other nations we've faced. Not because of Southgate
@@Dukestboy96 you can have a team full of Bellingham's but if the team isn't set out right you will still fail.
@@captainkirk4519 as we've seen this tournament lol
@@Dukestboy96 must have the wrong tournament - England are in the final.
@@captainkirk4519 just choosing to forget everything that's happened then. Nice one 😂
Yes silver medal is having lost. You didn't win, so you lost
So who did these 2 use to play for then?
I thought England wanted to be winners not runners up
Southgate will prentend he needs 2 weeks to think about it. Then takes it
Gotta say that Rory talks jibber & delusional in his views ! Hugh is way more informed on his views & should ask for Rory to go in the tea room & get out the studio
Rory’s parents think he’s a failure obviously.
Were in d final what more people want humans are strange creatures
One game where the team actually plays well lol. They are more than likely going to lose to Spain as Southgate doesn’t have the nous for the big occasion he got lucky getting the draws he did and scrapping into a final but he’s going to get found out again in the final guaranteed and all the same fans calling for him to be knighted are going to be calling for him to be sacked
Absolute, unfiltered, pure, Organic rubbish by Rory.
What a surprise it’s Hugh being a wet cloth! Arguing for arguing same as always!
Rory always going on about Chelsea....nobody cares mate.
I cant believe rory has a child, unless he kidnapped one, what woman would think its a good idea to have a child with him and ruin her entire life.
If he's a "Success" he'll get a top 6 premier league club should he leave the England job after Sunday.
If he's not a "success" he won't.
Rory is literally a mouth for hire. A failed actor whose opinion changes based on staying relevant.
not even relevance, just attention.
Pause.
Rory is absolutely clueless and makes himself sound so
This rory though
Rorys a proper 🔔🔚
Gareth Southgate gets the England players for a handful of games, he didn't develop the players or coach them - clubs and better coaches than him put years into these players. If England won the next World Cup (which they won't) it'll have absolutely nothing to do with him
never have children. england will win next world cup
I thought success is sports is equated in trophies but I guess the English have different standards 😂😂😂😂
why is rory on talksport another person talking shite
No More interviews please. Do your talking on the pitch. I'm sick of all these promises every tournament. History remembers the Winners not the statistical best Losers.
Rory is a joke. Lets hope at the world cup we can pick our own route to the final
He hasnt won nothing so how is he successful bro, with this team england should of won in 2022
@02:25 What did England do in 1996 Rory? 😂
What THEY did… obviously referring to Germany who came to Wembley and won. Get some English lessons pal.
@TheLaazR Too young for that old boy
Ah the pompous england attitude shows up again.
Southgate is still the worst manager in football history
He’s done better than u
i think its a smart decision by the FA, especially if he wins it. i think they will win it on Sunday and if they do why would you want to let go of a manager who has just won the Euros. it makes no sense.