Respectfully disagree. There is nothing amazing by making a name/money by speaking about her romantic relationship with a well-known Rinpoche so publicly and worse, selling it. There is also nothing strong about criticising brave female survivors of lama misconduct who tell their stories for no personal profit and wanting to help and benefit others.
@@taralove108 if you go through the book you may feel to take her side that in spite full devotion and sacrifice she could not get the status of a wife but it was her devotion and love that she came to meet the new incarnation
She is so spot on about the mismatch between the hippie generation and Tibetan lamas. I often feel many Tibetan lamas feel trapped by their Western disciples and their 60s counter-culture politics. Naomi Levine hit the nail on the head when she narrates how Tai Situpa realized that his Western disciples were hippies. Wonderful!!!
She is the Yeshe Tshogyal of our time and lucky that we are contemporary of her time, her book simply shattered me from inside and made me look deeply about the life-death series and dharma
thanks a lot Steve for bringing Naomi in your talk. Very profound, bold and mind blowing ideas and life she lived and living..... Wish I meet her at least once to feel that kind of DAKINI energy....
I went through some of the comments here and believe they are shallow and her whole life from lover to past to present Shabdrung is a very big event, I have no word but to say she is is a realised person and a KHANDRO. Blessed are we that we are her contemporaries in space and time, my only wish is now to meet her in person and to receive her blessings
It was this podcast by chance and then ordered her books from amazon, as soon as the book on shabdrung Rimpoche arrived it just took a day to finish it, and my own confusion between the Budha teaching and vajrayana with all the vices in ordinary sense as if was narrated by this great KHANDO demystified to some degree although I do reserve the sanity of dualistic mind between pain and pleasure . I request if she visit India in near future I would like to have a a physical blessings from her and ask further guidance in the quest of perfection.
I have had a 'Guru'. I don't know y'all....I don't know. Nature teaches me more gently. 🌱 Not discarding, just more cautious and detailed solo, unfortunately, or fortunately. 🙏❤️🙏 Thank you again for the engaging conversations. 🔥🎆🔮
I haven't read her book, but I am familiar with the Shabdrung through his wife Khandro Thrinley Choden, I'm curious how Norma levines' relationship overlapped with their official marriage .
I read her book and It touched me so much and I have no doubt that she is a KHANDRO and the way she reached out to the world about Shabdrung Rempoche is her great work for which she with us in time and space
Norma doesn't understand the difference between relative and absolute values. She's way off beam to suggest that exposing power, sexual, emotional and physical abuse by Tibetan lamas is taboo because of a Tantric vow related to yogic practice. Category error.
Totally agree. Sadly, Naomi is rather typical of deluded followers who mistake guru devotion and samaya for enabling lama abuse and sexual objectification of women. Insulting and ignoring brave survivors who have exposed and called out lama abuse and dishonesty among her own teachers (as Naomi does) is not the kind, wise or loving way at all. It is not the Buddhist way.
To be able to differentiate between ethical and unethical conduct is highly core Buddhist. Not being able to do so is contrary to Buddhism. The basis of all good spiritual qualities - as the texts stress - is ethical conduct.
She seems a bit confused about some things concerning history and politics. She should either stick strictly to talking about Buddhism or actually go back to the academy to hone and deepen her understanding of economics and geopolitical history. If you claim to be apolitical-nobody is actually apolitical or non-ideological, it’s just that many people are like fish who don’t understand water-then you should stick to what you know and not comment outside your area of acknowledged expertise.
@@gyurmethlodroe1774 So you enjoy hearing non-experts make factually inaccurate analyses of culture, history, and politics then? I’ll be sure to disregard your uninformed opinions.
@@baizhanghuaihai2298 you don't like it? So be it. I like it so be it. I don't have to agree with you, you don't have to agree with me. Just dont think your words holds more weight than mine. It doesn't.
Amazing woman, amazing time,
A story of such a strong and special life.
Thank you.
Respectfully disagree. There is nothing amazing by making a name/money by speaking about her romantic relationship with a well-known Rinpoche so publicly and worse, selling it. There is also nothing strong about criticising brave female survivors of lama misconduct who tell their stories for no personal profit and wanting to help and benefit others.
@@taralove108 if you go through the book you may feel to take her side that in spite full devotion and sacrifice she could not get the status of a wife but it was her devotion and love that she came to meet the new incarnation
One of my fave interviews by far. Astonishing lady. Please have a 2nd interview.
Wow what a great surprise this was, I’m surprised I never heard of her before but now really really want to check out her books.
Best discussion on Vajrayana, guru/disciple relationship I've heard. Thanks so much, Naomi, for sharing.
great, very sincere
Extraordinary interview, her humility attests to her genuine practice in reltionship to the masters. Please sequel.
She is so spot on about the mismatch between the hippie generation and Tibetan lamas. I often feel many Tibetan lamas feel trapped by their Western disciples and their 60s counter-culture politics. Naomi Levine hit the nail on the head when she narrates how Tai Situpa realized that his Western disciples were hippies. Wonderful!!!
She is the Yeshe Tshogyal of our time and lucky that we are contemporary of her time, her book simply shattered me from inside and made me look deeply about the life-death series and dharma
thanks a lot Steve for bringing Naomi in your talk. Very profound, bold and mind blowing ideas and life she lived and living..... Wish I meet her at least once to feel that kind of DAKINI energy....
Thank you for explaining all this so honestly & clearly.
I went through some of the comments here and believe they are shallow and her whole life from lover to past to present Shabdrung is a very big event, I have no word but to say she is is a realised person and a KHANDRO. Blessed are we that we are her contemporaries in space and time, my only wish is now to meet her in person and to receive her blessings
amazing interview
What a great Blessing to encounter VAJRA Master's Theachings 🙏
Looking forward to part 2.
Many thanks !
1.01.46...Many Bhutanese wear their formal traditional attire with that white scarf, in holy places like Bodhgaya. They do it to show reverence.
It was this podcast by chance and then ordered her books from amazon, as soon as the book on shabdrung Rimpoche arrived it just took a day to finish it, and my own confusion between the Budha teaching and vajrayana with all the vices in ordinary sense as if was narrated by this great KHANDO demystified to some degree although I do reserve the sanity of dualistic mind between pain and pleasure . I request if she visit India in near future I would like to have a a physical blessings from her and ask further guidance in the quest of perfection.
I have had a 'Guru'. I don't know y'all....I don't know. Nature teaches me more gently. 🌱 Not discarding, just more cautious and detailed solo, unfortunately, or fortunately. 🙏❤️🙏
Thank you again for the engaging conversations. 🔥🎆🔮
once in a while you accidently get a real practitioner on unlike your typical crap
I haven't read her book, but I am familiar with the Shabdrung through his wife Khandro Thrinley Choden, I'm curious how Norma levines' relationship overlapped with their official marriage .
I read her book and It touched me so much and I have no doubt that she is a KHANDRO and the way she reached out to the world about Shabdrung Rempoche is her great work for which she with us in time and space
Norma doesn't understand the difference between relative and absolute values. She's way off beam to suggest that exposing power, sexual, emotional and physical abuse by Tibetan lamas is taboo because of a Tantric vow related to yogic practice. Category error.
Totally agree. Sadly, Naomi is rather typical of deluded followers who mistake guru devotion and samaya for enabling lama abuse and sexual objectification of women. Insulting and ignoring brave survivors who have exposed and called out lama abuse and dishonesty among her own teachers (as Naomi does) is not the kind, wise or loving way at all. It is not the Buddhist way.
Disagree with both of you, humbly. Labels and judgmental attitudes are not from Buddhism either.
To be able to differentiate between ethical and unethical conduct is highly core Buddhist. Not being able to do so is contrary to Buddhism. The basis of all good spiritual qualities - as the texts stress - is ethical conduct.
@@leepatton3538 lost in the formless realms
@@leepatton3538lost in the formless realms.
Tibetains are born buddhist n they know what is buddhism....its division of sects...viz gelup n kagyupas....my view on Naomi's comment
She seems a bit confused about some things concerning history and politics. She should either stick strictly to talking about Buddhism or actually go back to the academy to hone and deepen her understanding of economics and geopolitical history. If you claim to be apolitical-nobody is actually apolitical or non-ideological, it’s just that many people are like fish who don’t understand water-then you should stick to what you know and not comment outside your area of acknowledged expertise.
The personal, anecdotal aspects of her story is a good listen, though.
I dont agree
@@gyurmethlodroe1774 So you enjoy hearing non-experts make factually inaccurate analyses of culture, history, and politics then? I’ll be sure to disregard your uninformed opinions.
@@baizhanghuaihai2298 you don't like it? So be it. I like it so be it.
I don't have to agree with you, you don't have to agree with me. Just dont think your words holds more weight than mine. It doesn't.
@@gyurmethlodroe1774 Facts hold immeasurably more weight than your personal opinions, that’s all I’m saying.