Coulson C-130 Airtanker T-134 NSW Australia 23 Jan 2020
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- The Airtanker industry is a small, tight knit aviation community. Today's news from Australia was devastating.
UPDATE:
25 Jan- Crash site video:
www.abc.net.au...
Colson Aviation Releases Crew member Information:
www.coulsonavi...
LINKS:
Associated Aerial Firefighters Memorial Trust Fund
airtanker.org/...
U.S. Aerial Firefighters Memorial Wall
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Crash site video- www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-25/drone-tanker-crash-hercules-nsw-bushfire/11900670
have you seen this video from Royal Australian Air Force Juan? th-cam.com/video/mk0D6TALpLc/w-d-xo.html
Eerie final flight track of N134CG at flightaware.com/live/flight/N134CG
th-cam.com/video/UH1IlTYmBmg/w-d-xo.html video of the crash. Horrible conditions.
blancolirio footage has been released of the crash occurring. Comes in, drops retardant then flies into smoke. Seconds later impact into terrain
10daily.com.au/news/australia/a200128jvfwk/footage-of-crashed-water-bomber-that-killed-three-us-firefighters-surfaces-20200128?
@fransmare - The youtu.be link you posted is private and not playable.
Juan, I'm ex aussie air force and I spent 23 years on C-130E/H/J Hercs as an avionics technician.
We are so thankful that our American friends are here helping with our crazy bush fires.
Our Herc family has lost 3 heroes...RIP.
Steve so sorry for the loss of your fellow firefighters.
Steve, we Americans have always been here to help there. We are all devastated but we know that what we do for others may be more costly than anyone wants. Praying for peace for these three soul's families and friends. I hope the Australian government will manage the forest better and remove brush and build fire lines to better control spread. Whatever they thought they were protecting went up in smoke. What a shame.
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Our condolences from Brazil. May they RIP.
Thank you Juan. Down here in Australia the whole nation is in mourning for our American brothers who have come down here to help us in our worst national disaster since European settlement. Since September 2019, 60% of all the forests down our eastern states have burned. Thats now 12 million hectares, roughly the size of England.
The C130 crew was the most experienced of the Coulson contingent down here and the First Officer had over 4000 hours C130 flight experience. The bird dog lead plane was ahead of the C130 on a run into a valley. They both entered the valley on the drop run and the bird dog reported on a red alert (Emergency radio call that overides all other radio traffic) that the C130 did not emerge from the valley. A huge fireball was seen when they looked back, and from first reports the wreckage only consists of small pieces of the plane. There was no report of the crew declaring an emergency, so its probable that the accident was sudden, devastating and occurred when the plane was close to the ground.
An RAAF P8 surveillance plane which was assisting in air operations control above the fire area was able to pinpoint the wreckage quickly but it took some time for first responders to get in as it was in the middle of an active fire.
Aviation is a highly regulated industry in Australia and we have some of the strictest safety standards in the world. The NSW Rural Fire Service is a NSW government agency and it and the military control air operations in fire zones. Many of the air controllers here are from the US, Canada and New Zealand and are here to assist us and are the most experienced in the world. The ATSB will conduct a full investigation. The NSW RFS have arranged for a Coulson team and the families of the crew to be brought down here immediately.
Thank you for this report, TM. Prayers for the families of the air crew lost and prayers to the entire industry who is doing their best to assist in Australia's time of need. Thanks also to the families of those who continue to work toward wrapping up this devastating fire and whose loved ones are on the front lines. They all make sacrifices, they should get recognition. Thank you, Juan, for sharing this sad information.
Sorry, but this is absolutely NOT the worst disaster since settlement. That honour goes to the fires that began on Feb 7, 2009, which came to be known as the Black Saturday fires. These fires are also not as bad as Black Friday 1039, or several fires in the 1800s. Black Saturday, however, cost 173 souls their lives, and hospitalized more than 700. You need to get away from Mainstream Media and do some real research.
For whatever it's worth, I'd vote for a joint development of international operated 200-500 ton capacity semi-rigid Airship water/retardant bombers (and peace-time cargo haulers) , with ability to drop at least 200 tons retardant from say higher up safer 300' altitude ×/ extended 75' hose @ around 50-75 mph speed ✌🌐 peace
Greebo Cough Ash Wednesday as well.
@@donkoh5738 Ya. I can go along with that...
Hello Juan, I am an Australian forestry worker that works in the Eden / Monaro area. Where the fires were. My brother volunteered and fought the fires. Your information is absolutely correct. Poor forest management, successive low rainfall years, some hot summer seasons has lead sadly to the loss of life, property, wildlife, flora and fauna . It’s both tragic and avoidable. Thank you for your channel .
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say how grateful I am to know that I can get a straight, respectful and insightful analysis from a trusted professional. Thank you, Juan.
Juan has a particular gift for conveying serious news with sensitive compassion.
@@Uftonwood2 agreed, something quite rare, would like to see my local tv network use him as their aviation expert (and pay him some decent $ while he is out of the sky).
Hello Juan
As an Aussie it really saddens me that this accident happened. We have been having a bad summer here fire wise, then this tragedy on top of it. While obviously a potentially dangerous kind of flying, it doesn't make it any easier when we hear of a tragedy like this. My thoughts are with the families of those who were onboard the Hercules. RIP
Thank you. One issue at hand is the "Global warming" scam that the gov. used to stop strategic burns. This is obviously the cause of uncontrolled fires now. Too much fuel and arsons.
@@MikeJones-rk1un Please stop with the nonsense. Nobody is using global warming as an excuse to stop prescribed burns. That's a lie that was started over a decade ago, rather callously to leverage wildfires for a political position. You can't do prescribed burns if the weather conditions are right. A managed burn can quickly get out of control.
@@MikeJones-rk1un Dear Mike M. Thanks for a word of reason. Nobody should blame these condition of "HUMAN CAUSED" global warming. The Earth's weather is constantly changing. It is impossible for the Earth's weather to remain constant. We are now in the middle of a slight warming condition while in the middle of a general Global continuing "Ice Age". We exist because the "Ice Age" has had a temporary lapse in its cooling cycle and has allowed humans to flourish. Only the Creator of our Universe knows how long our present period of "abeyance" will last before we go into another Ice age. But since our world is now in a position that it is in, we must respect it and live in it while not causing any further discruction. Thus if the ground is very dry causing the forests to be dry, we must be extra careful to not allow fires to by created by the human condition.
But if you look at "Google Earth" and plug in "forest fires" and "lightning" you will note that most fires that exist on our Earth presently are primarily caused by "lightning" not by people tossing out cigarettes. Yes, people are careless. But lightning bolts are natural phenomenon that nobody can control. Almost all of the forest fires caused on our planet are due to lightning. If you do not wish to believe me, don't. But just go to Google Earth and plug in "forest fires". You will note that lightning is by far the greatest cause of forest fires on our planet. It's a fact, not an opinion. See it for yourselves on "Google Earth".
I would like to acknowledge the bravery of the Australian, American, Canadian and New Zealand firefighters. I live in Queensland Australia and my heart and condolences go to the families of these three brave souls, God Bless.
Here in Australia we didn’t think our hearts could be anymore broken by these fires. I turns out we were wrong. Lost for words at the lose of these incredible people.
Eco arson. Nice, eh?
dks13827 nothing nice about any of it
Juan, as an Australian, I thank you for your prompt, well considered and well balanced commentary on this tragedy. These guys were helping us in our time of need and we are indebted to them. My son Tom is an aviation rescue fire fighter at Melbourne airport and I know the tremendous work that they do. My sincere condolences to the families of these brave men.
Damn Juan, those are some beautiful, heartfelt words you shared from your friend Jimmy Barnes. They really bring it home.
Juan Brown, you're truly a man among men, and I'm proud to know you. Can't thank you enough for how you handle these tragic events.
I live under the approach to Richmond Air Base and have watched many times the pink bottomed aircraft fly overhead (When they were not obscured by smoke), and the crazy maneuvers some of them were doing to return back to the mountains were quite impressive for such a large aircraft! The pilots would probably say they were just doing their job, but us Australians think more highly of them than that. Thanks for coming and giving your all. You are heroes.
Thank you Capt Ian H. McBeth, First Officer Paul Clyde Hudson and Flight Engineer Rick A. DeMorgan Jr for your dedication to keep others from harm and for your service to our country.
Yes those 3 heroes were named in this morning's media . . . I believe they were the same ones that were interviewed on a national TV news broadcast a week ago. We in Australia are very proud of the great job they did. And for you, Juan, I thank you for your prompt, accurate and sensitive reporting.
@@danceingdave3 If you can find a link to that TV news story please share it.
As a retired 14-years-of-activevservice Firefighter and 22 year Fire Chaplain, my prayers are with the brave souls lost, their families & comrades. My two loves are aviation and firefighting. These Tanker Crews are the best if the best. May God guide and protect them and may God bring their loved ones comfort, strength & peace. Thank you, Juan, for your excellent reporting and your compassionate heart.
Thank you for the great talk on what happened to the Coulson C-130, all our hearts go out to the crew and all the firefighters that are on the lines.
Thanks Juan, I am from Australia and I have got more common sense information from you than I have got from months of watching or listening to mainstream media. I am saddened by the Loss of all life during our Bushfires(wildfires) over the last 4 to 5 months. I am particularly saddened by the news of the loss of the air crew from this fire fighting aircraft, my sincere condolences to the family and friends of these heros.
Thanks again for all your efforts providing accurate researched information .
These bushfires in Australia have been devastating this year and have been going for months. I live in Mt Beauty, N/E Victoria just south of where the tanker came down. However, if it wasn't for the bravery of Australian, American, Canadian and New Zealand firefighters these bushfires could have been a lot worse.
My heart goes out to the families of those 3 brave pilots.
We here in the US stand with you my friend! Thanks for the heartfelt condolences. Cheers, Danny
Australians brought the Eucalyptus tree to California during the mid-19th century Gold Rush period.
Oakland, California was (probably still is) covered with them: which burned ferociously during the 1991 Oakland Hills Fire.
Empathize with your situation.
@@fredschwarz9502 They're a beautiful tree the Eucalyptus, cover most of Australia. But the Eucalyptus oil contained in them is very volatile and burns very hot. You can smell it in the air around my place and they exhibit a blue haze in the air around them.. They can grow to about 200' and are evergreen.
I worked in several fire camps here in California. I have seen and talked to many Aussies here. Wish I could say that I am happy to see we can return the favor but wish we were not needed.
@@campbellslee6773 They are not a native species to CA. When I was little and walking to school, I had to walk past a small grove of them and always started sneezing. They were all around my highschool. We've also got Manzanita at higher elevations in CA, they burn really hot too. But they are beautiful, smooth red bark and twisty branches.
Juan, thank you for this video and your obvious sadness over the crash. As others have said, Australians are devastated by this event. We really appreciate the support we have received from the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Singapore and other countries in fighting these fires. Nobody should have to pay with their lives in a fight against bushfires. I live in Canberra, and the battle against this particular fire is partly to defend Canberra, Australia's federal capital. If the winds that day had been from the south instead of the north, those fires would have been racing toward Canberra. I just want to mention a few things. The forests in Australia are not a single species. There's thousands of species of Eucalyptus trees here, and the land is so dry after years of drought that
even rainforests are burning, which are normally too wet to burn. The forests in highest peaks of the Snowy Mountains are mostly Snow Gums (Eucalyptus pauciflora) which die from fires. Anyway, your comment was accurate if you say one family of trees rather than one species. The fires in Eastern Australia have been burning from Adelaide to central Queensland, and there's a huge variety of forests, but most are dry eucalypt forests. While the towns are mostly separated from the forests, a lot of the houses which have been lost were surrounded by forest. However, a lot were not. The fires have also burned through grassland. Yesterday I has to evacuate my workplace while a fire raced through grassy farmland in Canberra. A lot of farmland has burned elsewhere. In terms of the accident itself, the area where it occurred is mountainous although nothing like the Sierra. With winds gusting to over 80kmh in Canberra, the gusts were probably worse in the fire zone. The conditions were really dangerous. It's possible that the aircraft flew into a downdraft that it was impossible to recover from. Again, we appreciate the support of the crews from overseas and their bravery. It's tragic that these three men paid with their lives. :(
Thank you Juan. Hats off to these crews who fly some of the most hazardous missions in aviation. The losses have been severe over the years. We thank you guys for your service and sacrifice. Rest In Peace.
I am an Australian and i can only say to the families and friends of the crew of the lost plane Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You have lost your loved ones and must be feeling a terrible pain of grief but remember that here in Australia we know the pain of loss and grief and appreciate so much the efforts and the ultimate sacrifice these pilots made to help Australia in time of devestation. May God support you and give you strength and once again you are in my heart as are the families of the all the Australian Firefighters who have lost their lives. We have lost over a Billion wild life which has almost wiped out the population of many Native animals and they are now on the extinction list. RIP to the Pilots
Hi Juan, an Aussie here, two points in addition to your article.
1 Fuel, Eucalyptus trees have a very high oil content, they don't just burn they explode in flames
2 Fatigue, this aircraft had completed over 130 missions on this deployment in around 6 weeks. With 4 hours transit time plus on site time this air craft and crews were booking serious hours.
Not making any suggestions, just adding some more detail
Respect to the crews.
RIP to a Great Crew Helping us in Time of Need ! They Do a Dangerous Job Helping to save Lives & Homes !
Rest in Peace to the three crewmen of the Coulson C-130 which went down in Australia. They gave their lives helping the people of another nation fight their fires. Prayers to the families of the crew.
RIP Captain Ian McBeth, 45, first officer Paul Clyde Hudson, 43, and flight engineer Rick A DeMorgan Jr, 44. All of Australia feels for their families. Thank you for your service to our country.
Hey Juan, as an Aussie I was deeply saddened to hear of that crash, To the brave crew of that aircraft and their families I am sorry for your loss. RIP.
They just announced the brave heroic pilots here in Aus. RIP.
Thanks Juan. Having a brother who has been a firefighter in the air brings this close to home. Love and prayers to the families who have been impacted by this sad loss.
That ending statement and prayer was a very touching memorial to those brave souls that were lost. Prayers for their family and the entire fire fighting community.
Thanks Juan, From a grateful Australian.
Very well done Juan...being a pilot myself and a wildand firefighter ,also certified to load single engine tankers..and living near one of the crews homes in montana this very sad news hits pretty hard..thank you for covering it..
🇦🇺 We Aussies are very grateful for these tankers which do fantastic work and we are saddened by this tragedy. These aviators come every fire season and through their great skill help protect us. Thank-you.
One of the main reasons for the 'lack of forest management' is that with changed weather patterns fire services have fewer days to conduct control burns safely. Near where I live it took 2 years to get the cool and calm conditions to do a safe control burn in a nearby bush reserve. This is almost certainly an effect of climate change. Indigenous Australians traditionally used 'cool burns' (low energy) to control the undergrowth but in many places this is probably now insufficient to reduce the undergrowth enough.
We Americans consider you Aussies as our brothers and sisters. We love you guys. Never forget that. Thank your for your condolences. As well, we mourn for the people who lost their lives trying to save others. There is a special place in Heaven for Heros.
Prayers for all of those that have lost family, and friends in this crash. And for those flying, still engaged in the fight. Thank you for this epic video.
Thank you for shining a light on the complexity and the extreme skill required in aerial fire fighting!
My deepest sympathy to family and friends of the crew of this airplane and everyone else who lost their lives in those fires.
With all the great technologies and the gained experience we have available today there will always remain a great risk in aerial fire fighting, due to the unpredictability of circumstances.
That’s why we all should always show deep respect for our firefighters and honour them as the heroes they truly are putting their lives at risk for our safety! 🙏👏👏👏👏👍
Memorial service to fire fighters was held in Sydney australia on Sunday I went as I am a firefighter it is on UTUBE the familys of all that died in the air tanker crash was very moving l like you thank you Ken morgan
From Australia we thankyou for bringing us this update, those brave hero’s came here risking their lives keeping us safe. Giving the ultimate sacrifice. We thank them
i live in bombala a hrs drive from cooma and i can tell you the fires are very bad here and it is sad that ppl are losing there life trying to protect us .
RIP
Mr. Barnes tribute was beautiful and touching. You both are good men for honoring the bravery of this crew.
Thank you Juan for telling the truth. Fire suppression and poor forest management. People need to realize terrible mistakes have been made in managing our forests and this is causing huge problems when fire do break out.
Once again, its nice to hear from an expert on all aspects of flying. Its clear you feel connection with the lost crew due to your time with firefighting. Thanks for your candor and clarity. We all thank you.
Darn....I wish I wasn’t so old! Great respect for all the pilots and the “boots on the ground”. Full Honor for the thirty that have fallen!!!
Was just there last week camping on a drive between Brisbane and Sydney. The locust sounds are beyond deafening in the Bush. Sounds like power likes that carry extremely high voltage but even louder
Please foreword my heart felt sadness to the air crew family. My father was an R.C.A.F pilot for over 25+ years. He told me that in Canada one pilot per month died during training and duty his time as a fighter pilot and C-130 pilot. Thank you very much for your vlogs.
May they RIP. God bless their families. Thank you, Juan.
As a former NorCal CDF firefighter (who once took a direct hit in the back from an off-the-mark retardant drop) it's really saddening to hear of these losses. We know personally how hard and dangerous fire suppression is. Your tribute at the end was a nice touch
God bless the crew. Thank you for another clear explanation.
Thank you for this video. Bless and pray for all.
Such a tragedy. To travel half way around this planet, to help people and a country who you don't know, and end up ending your life in an accident, is truly a tragedy. May they rest in peace, and may the families and friends of the deceased somehow find comfort in this time of great grief.
Juan, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of the aircraft involved and air tanker operations fighting fires. You answered some questions I have had.
May the crew of that air craft, RIP. Condolences to the families of the air crew that paid the ultimate price while doing their best to protect lives and property.
My fire science professor was the lead guy in the invention of the Firescope program in California. Former Chief of L.A. County fire department, and about 20 years ago he told us that the forest fires were getting worse and worse largely because of "smokey the bear". He said that agencies were so successful in preventing the smaller fires, that would burn a bit, and burn up the fuel every few years, that the fuel just piled up and up and while we have less frequent fires, when we do have them, they're apocalyptic in nature due to sheer fuel load. He was very worried about the future, and here we are. So few people know about this aspect of it.
blackhawks81H What an interesting point.
The fundamental cause of that is that governments are allowing people to build IN THE FIRE ZONES. Knock it off. As a young guy back in the late 60s, I spent a year in Prescott, Arizona. "Prescott in the Pines". That was true, lots of houses surrounded by tall trees on the outside of town, on the Skull Valley side. Beautiful, smelled good, privacy. But about a decade ago, as I recall, there was a devastating fire. It would have been a bummer and covered the town with ash and made it hard to breathe for a few days, but the existence of all those homes made it into a human tragedy.
blackhawks81H We have watched this coming for decades, but who do you tell?? An Aussie wont be listened to unless they have a Uni degree and know nothing, listen to that last sentence
@@5roundsrapid263 You are getting them. The RFS has raised the percentage of planned burns that are completed from about 50% a decade ago to about 80% last year.
@@kimweaver3323 If you plan 100 burns, and complete 50% then you have done 50 burns. If you plan 10 burns and do 80%, then you have done 8 burns. As the old saying goes, figures don't lie, but liars figure. The Royal Commission recommended specific numbers of planned burns; the government decided a year or two ago that they would report using this percentage basis. How many burns were actually performed?
Thank you Juan. God bless the Airale Firefighters of America.
We here are devastated that we took those guys from you, rest assure we are stunned, no words:-( RIP guys.
Yesterday
We here in Australia are just stunned. The flying conditions there can be very difficult in that area I’ve flown 30 yrs there and feel little broken today very little chance for soft landing there were 2 airports very close to them but obviously no use to them.
To loose the 3 souls yesterday with NW gales pushing the out of control fires over 800,000 acres towards several coastal towns their loss to their families and the community here is devastating All aircraft were grounded the conditions today are expected 40 degrees NW gales and dust storms with 150 kilometres of fire front heading SE toward the townships. If you’re into praying maybe say a little one quickly those towns will need it. 😱
The conditions today of eased Significantly.
Some eye witness have said they believe it may have been off fire. This is unsubstantiated.
I am at a loss of words with this right on top of my community losing Two Hero’s in a tragic accident just a week ago. My thoughts and prayers will be with the families and friends of this tragedy! Just saddens my heart!🙏🙏🙏
RIP brave souls! Thanks for putting everything on the line for us. Jimmy’s letter was perfect. Great coverage once again Juan.
So sorry to the families that lost a loved one or dear friend in this terrible accident. They do some very dangerous flying to help keep the ground troops safe and slow these monsters down. Juan make sure to pass on to your friends that we are great full for what they do.✈️🌹
It’s so good to hear from a pilot that has flown the type of plane that was envolved. Firefighters are a special breed . It’s sad whenever one of those brave souls pays the ultimate price . The C-130 has been made since 1956 and they keep improving it. Over 2500 have been built so far. They are currently building the “J “ version.
They fly over my buddy's house all the time, long lines of them, we live near Jacksonville AFB. Well...I guess THEY call it Little Rock AFB but it's not in Little Rock.
Always remember the C in C130 means cargo. It does not mean acrobatic. Flying 120 feet high over the treetops in 60 mph winds is not the way a cargo plane is supposed to be treated. Structural failure is the most likely cause.
Unfortunately Juan brings us bad news. My heart sinks when I listen to these vids. Thank you Juan for the good job you are doing. As a pilot and aviation enthusiast your work is deeply appreciated and important.
thanks for your clear, educated and factual reporting... These losses are close you as u know what they are up against... As a ground fire fighter in my younger years my heart goes out to all of these guys... RIP to these guys.
*Only 1 item on feedback Juan. They are dealing with Eucalyptus which burns like gasoline. Eucalyptus would be similar to Jeffery Pine and Gray Pine here in the sierras in the way that it burns, from my understanding. Eucalyptus would also be similar to forests that have been struck and killed by the bark beetle along with what you mentioned about poor and ineffective management.
**God bless the fire fighters, victims, coworkers, family members and friends to everyone down there in Australia right now affected by the fires. Thank you Juan!
Thanks Juan ... a pretty well 'spot on' analysis of everything that has happened here with the bushfires ...
I have purposely not read any of the other news reports on this tragedy. I have been waiting to hear your report as I knew that it would be up to the professional standard I always receive from you. As usual I was not disappointed. Great reporting and respect for those involved.
Thanks Juan
San Diego County has big eucalyptus groves. When few burn, run! It’s Hot and fast. But that’s minuscule compared to Australia
Incredibly sad news. just coming here to see if you had an update. Thank you.
Thanks, Juan, for another highly informative background information of this very sad loss of the Coulson crew of firefighters. These pilots and crews are highly trained in a very, very dangerous professional to help fight these fires. Our prayers are with the families of these brave and dear folks. - Dean from Minnesota
Thank you for your report on the crash and I would like to add my Condolences to the families of the Aircrew lost in the crash. They came to Australia to help us in our hour(s) of need and paid the ultimate price. They will not be forgotten.
God Bless these brave people. I hope TH-cam has some sort of public service message allowance for incidents like this. Sharing the details of any crash is necessary to help prevent another. Thanks Juan.
Juan I know that last moment of your video affected you deeply. You’re the voice of so very many involved in this type operation. RIP that firefighter crew. As a volunteer firefighter for 9 years in my own community, I know this crew would have done it all over again.
Sad loss. The flight engineer, Rick DeMorgan, is from the community here in NW Florida. RIP to all.
Thank you for speaking the truth about forest mismanagement.
Sad to have lost the three members of the 134 crew.
5:40 Thank God someone is able to speak out about the lack of forest management (as you call it over there). Here in Aus we have a totally ludicrous situation where all cattle are removed from the High Country. These cattle have grazed the High Country for generations and before that our native Aussies have done the cool burns for thousands of years reducing the fuel load.
Any decent fire fighter knows that you don't get a "Crowning Fire" without the fuel on the ground.
We are now governed by Uni students who wouldn't know shit from clay and have never lived in the bush or fought a bushfire.
@Champion, I think we need to leave the politics out. It is no good doing a control burn on 35ºC day with a 50kn wind blowing and the trouble is getting a suitable run of weather to make such burns possible is getting less and less likely. This is a result of climate change. Cool burns are great and I agree with your comments there and maybe the cattle should be back in the high country, but these decisions should made in consultation with people who know what they are talking about. This includes fire-fighters, farmers, environmental scientists but not politicians in my opinion. It's the politicians job to listen and to become educated.
@@stephenhicks826 I see you've swallowed the government spin as to why they've not been managing forests for 10-20 years....
Stephen Hicks
You’re a idiot
@@TyphoonVstrom No, that's not the case. I just talk to my local Fire Captains. The last control burn near my home was delayed for over two years because there was not a suitable weather window. Either too hot, too windy or too cold or wet. It's getting harder and harder to complete planned burns. Anyway I really think the focus should be on those poor blokes who died doing a difficult job in difficult conditions.
@UCinpJX3dtX3RAUNsyzamEZQ I think u r rignt Stephen. We need educated debate about the root causes off these huge bushfires. Politicians should act on wat the public wants as is their job. Controlled burning is not often easy to do as conditions may preclude this. I also think namecalling is not called for perhaps we could all be a bit more polite wen disagreeing?
thanks for the link to donate for the family's of the crew that where saving lives in our country
RIP
Just a couple of other points to add as someone that lives close to the crash site.
The C-130's have also been refuelling and reloading retardant in Albury, which also has a decent military presence and ability to do C-130 turnarounds.
The 737's have also been operating out of Canberra as they also have Jet A1 fuel and an experienced 737 maintenence facility via one of the airlines that sub contract out to the RAAF 737 BBJ fleet that is based out of Canberra.I'm assuming there is some sort of retardant facility in both Canberra and Alubry, probably a portable system or something similar.
I haven't seen any of the fixed wing bombers using Nowra, but the bird dogs and helicopters have been.
Where the C-130 that crashed was operating is known for very nasty turbulence in the prevailing NW winds of that day as it comes over the mountains. The NW winds that feed into SE Australia are typically hot and gusty, much like California's Santa Ana style winds.
There is a very active gliding community that has it's own airfield north of Cooma, so that gives you an idea of the area's ability to create heat and lift.
Juan, thank you for always speaking in a well-informed manner regarding aerial firefighting; you've either worked in the industry, or you've really done a lot of research. Either way, it's really nice to hear from someone on the "outside". T134 crew and families... you've been, and will be in my thoughts.
Serg, Juan mentions in the video that he trained to be an aerial fire-fighting lead pilot (bird dogger, they call it in Australia) between leaving the air force and joining the airlines.
@@lizj5740 Ha! I get an F for not catching that!
Juan Thank You ! Great reporting as usual . May the 3 crew members flying the the tanker RIP. I'm sending my Deep Heartfelt Sympathy to all families , friends , co workers & any body who new them . This is very . very sad indeed !
That section of the great dividing range can be very turbulent. I have been terrified even in a 747 on occasions between Sydney and Melbourne. I think your point about wind gusts was poignant.
Yet another heartbreaking tragic loss Juan.
My name is Ray Parsons,
For a number of years, I have been attempting to make the appropriate contact with the correct decsion makers for an extremely light, and agile compact utility tractor able to be dropped two at a time just outside of the fire perimeter .
I am looking for the opportunity to demonstrate the equipment potential.
I genuinely believe the potential of the equipment can, and will save lives Juan.
Hoping you might be able to guide me to a few of the correct people who have the ability to move forward with the demonstration of this equipment if possible.
Thank you
So sorry for the loss of these brave firefighters. Prayers for all the lost lives and their families.
RIP to the firefighters in this tragedy and much love and respect too the whole firefighting nation down under and across the world. And my sincerest condolences to the family and friends at the loss of their loved ones. Thanks Juan.
Thanks Juan .
I was CFA vol for many years and to hear that these heroes lost their lives while trying to help us tears my heart apart, as with all the others that we lost, One of which i knew.
Hopefully they get to the bottom of this crash to help with the safety of all the others out there.
Thank You, They will never be forgotten by Us here!!!
Such a shame, God speed, thanks Juan
Thank again Juan for reporting on these events. As soon as I heard about this on the news I couldn't wait for your video. May God bless those folks who risk their lives to fight these horrible fires down under.
Thank you.
Juan; In honor or those brave fire fighters and your expert work I have donated. Thank you for all your hard work on your channel and also for your armed services service.
Devastating news. Thoughts and prayers are with the families of the deceased. Thanks Juan.
I want to complement you on your videos, it is so refreshing to be able to receive what I believe to be an honest and unbiased, yet qualified view on the many aviation incidents that sadly occur. I also enjoy seeing you and Pete riding your dirt bikes around the trails in the Sierra foothills! I was in New South Wales back in November, and things were pretty bad back then, but it is shocking to see how bad things have become since then. By the way, I’m a total “AV-geek”, I’m a businessman living just “down the hill” in Roseville, CA, and I spend much of my time flying around the country and world on endless business trips. When you get your license back there is nothing that I would love more than to ride my motorcycle up the hill to Nevada City and take a ride with you in “The Mighty Luscombe”. If there is ANY way that could happen please let me know. Of course I would be honored to cover all costs of the flight.
Respectfully done, Juan. The previous comment, from a local Aussie source, had even more detailed information. No aviators want to hear tragic news. We all have to remember there is inherent risk to flying. Warmest regards to the families and friends of those lost to us.
My son and wife’s friend was a pilot on that C-130H. They are on their way to the funeral. 😢 prayers are welcome for the family and friends. My son is a navigator on a C-130H.
Same thing happened here in Minnesota a few years ago. We had a big storm blowdown in the national forest and the loggers said let us go in and get the down trees but the naturalists said no. Hot spell came and it lit up and they couldn't put it out till winter.
Prayers to all the airmen and their families. Those men are heroes and their actions can never be calculated because what they did, prevented what could be a very dark part of history.
As a Marine, these men deserve the equivalent of a military burial.
May god bless your souls, gentlemen.
60mph wind gusts. Good lord you can lean into that kind of wind.
The C-130 in good shape can fly through the eyewall of a hurricane though... So weather shouldn't have been any problem for the aircraft.... Anything can happen though if it was older. We'll have to wait and see. Sad day though.
I wonder if retardants can be dropped effectively in 60 mph winds. Target fixation is what I have learned from Juan Brown that could be a possibility.
@@blackhawks81H gusting 60mph and sustained winds are not the same thing. Planes can fly in a hurricane because they have sustained winds.
You present so well. Easy enough for the every day person like me but without being condesending. Thank you, really enjoy viewing your presentations.
Juan, I can really tell your heart is in what you report. I really enjoy the way you present your findings, and look forward to your videos. Thanks for the unbiased truth.
They died as soldiers, defending our friends, but damn it breaks my heart.
Heart-breaking news. Our condolences, thoughts and prayers for the families of all onboard the Herc. Thanks for the heartfelt update, Juan. 😭🙏💔
Hi Juan, many thanks for the update as always
Sympathy for the families and loved ones involved in this tragic event. Out thoughts are with you at this time of mourning.
As an ex pat Aussie working in some of those areas some time ago, I am grateful for your info as I have many friends and family in many of those places. Utmost Respect for all of the people and contribution by other countries in this situation by all Australians.
May God comfort the families of these fallen firefighters. My condolences.
Juan, I'm sorry for the loss of these 3 "brothers" of your heart, and understand also how these firefighting souls will always be as though they are family members even though you no longer fight fires from the air. I feel it strongly whenever there are fires in the region you live in, since I used to work for the Tahoe Natal Forest.
Juan, I am deeply moved by this video, especially the last few moments. So much emotion you almost stopped in the middle, so much resolve that you kept it together. After the video (abruptly) ended, I said out loud, "Now we can go and cry in private..."
Thanks for your work 💙 A former Marine avionicsman 💜 I feel for Australia