Great job getting all this up and running. My dad was tech savvy so my first computer game was reader rabbit in the apple II. Then Oregon trail. He switched to pc and I remember going through 3.1, 3.11, and all we really got to play was paint, then with 95 we got Command and Conquer, and Warcaft 2 and it changed my world.
NOW I understand why you drink!!😉 That was a LOT of hoops to jump through, but we'll worth it in the end. That is a beautiful case and a great setup. 🙂
Frankly, IRQ:s have gone nowhere in PCIe, most just never worry about them these days. If you do very VERY time critical IO operations, you want to break out the manual of your motherboard and figure out the IRQ priorities of your PCIe slots so you can make sure the expansion card for the critical IO has straight connection to the CPU and has the highest priority,possibly even surpassing your GPU so that you can be sure nothing gets in the way of that device when it wants to transfer data. this is mostly applicable in real time applications though (like real time audio processing)
Man, seeing that UI really brings me back to my first introduction to computers. My dad's personal computer had a NES emulator with Mario Kart and had the 1st Duke Nukem game (which was a side scroller), as well as other games.
This is as good a job at retro PC builds as the verge did for a contemporary one that you took the piss out of a few years back. With it being a year ago I do hope youve learnt some things since then.
The missing USB driver is for the EHCI USB 2.0 controller. There are USB 2.0 drivers for Win9x out there if you know where to look. On the storage front, it looks like you have drivers for the SATA controller.
Nostalgia at its finest 🥰🤩👍 growing up using an Amiga 500 w/ 512kb upgrade… then I moved onto 486DX2-80mhz with Dos 3.1, then 3.11, then Windows 95, 98, 98SE, a second Windows pc with NT 4.0, then 5.0. Back to my main pc … then Windows XP, XP64, Vista (🤦♂🤦♀🤦) Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition, Windows 10 x64 Pro …..ahhhhh the experiences, memories & frustrations! Definitely a time of learning unlike these days where most issues are automatically resolved at a bios or OS level. Even overclocking is a dying art in many ways and now is nothing like it used to be 👍🏆😉
Love all the work. It really is like building a Win 98 computer but slightly more difficult. Trying to make sure everything is going to work together, find drivers, etc.
Ah damn, looks like my doppelganger is in my recommended again and made me do a double take. That was fun. I swear this is like looking into some sorta freaky parallel universe, or maybe a Star Trek-based mirror universe as I personally wouldn't be caught dead with an IPA. Dark beers all the way for me.
This is so awesome! I think I’ll have to play with some of my old, reto stuff now! I’d love to get my old “Jane’s Fighting Ships - 688i” game from 1998 working again!
I will always wonder if building with authentic hardware or 100% diy like the "WeeCee" by TheRasteri or by building a couple diy parts to avoid configuration problems is the best way to make retro systems. BTW, great job. You have a lot of knowledge on how to figure out all the parts you needed to adjust for your retro PC project. I regret trashing one PC without troubleshooting it (wouldn't turn on). If I do have the opportunity at another retro computer, I'm not sure if I could keep it or be capable of the maintenance of getting it back into working order.
lol, I have this exact case for my kids' computer. in it I have an asrock H470m ITX with a core i7 ~10700. it serves as their computer and plays NES, Super NES, and N64 games. i thought that it would be cool to connect it not only to their two monitors but to connect it to the TV to play games.... awesome idea. the size of i allows me to put it into their bookshelf. if you look at the amazon link for the case provided by craft computing in the description above, you can see pics of their computer when i was testing it at my computer station area and in the bookshelf. love the size and the look of the case. highly recommend it.
No way! I remember having the same exact issue with PS/2 keyboard with one of my first computers! My uncle suggested that I should try to turn the PC on without any peripherals and that's when I noticed that the computer would boot normally without the damn keyboard lol. Now this was about 20 years ago so can't remember the details (I was like 10?) but I THINK that at some point I fixed it with PS/2 to USB adapter.
Actually Jeff SATA 150 was around in the later days of Windows 98. It survived a little longer than most people think. It was cheaper than XP so people bought it. It was also known to be more compatible with games so it had that over XP too. Second correction is about XP and PCIe graphics cards. The first card I remember for PCIe was the X850XT which was quite early in the XP life, but all the other cards were AGP which means you were looking at 1-2 years to change over from all AGP and then another 1-2 years to take up PCIe and then another year for PCIe to take over AGP as the dominant card for XP which means XP was into 2007 before PCIe graphics was defacto.
I remember when I started my first IT job for an electrical retailer here is Australia and we used to provide these mice to users. They would continue to use the USB-PS2 adaptors even though they were already using a USB keyboard and still had USB ports available. When asked why they were using the adaptor, they said "because IT gave it to me" or, "it was in the box".
I got myself a DFI G4M100-MS12 a few years back for a win98 build. All on-board hardware works and I installed a voodoo3 pci card for the most classic experience. I'm tempted to try winME after seeing yours and I don't really do much with dos.
My brother had a Jetway MiniQ back in the day, a pre ITX (though very similar) setup that was dual slot and had a PCI and AGP next to each other. You could possibly get the board to fit in to an ITX case.
Based Windows ME. People like to hate on it but it's nothing more than an updated Windows 98SE with some improvements and newer drivers built-in. It's cool that it works so well on such a modern platform with 2GB of RAM.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend ME for a retro gaming PC but when you're focused almost exclusively on Windows games and don't need any DOS mode stuff, it's an underappreciated choice. Definitely better for more modern hardware like this
This makes me really happy I went with MATX though my "case" was two pieces of plywood and some 1x4s. I should really make something proper for that build. Heck, if I went with a FlexATX PSU and ditched the optical drive I guess it wouldn't be much bigger than your case.
Radeon 9xxx/X8xx/firegl v5100 and GeForce 6xxx/7xxx PCIe cards are windows 98 compatible, overkill probably, but compatible. I have a core2duo, firegl v5100 and soundblaster live build, and it's awesome, you can't get more powerful without paying too much for the parts, I only paid the equivalent of 20$ for the firegl, the rest was about to be thrown away or I had it laying around.
I got win98se working on my Ryzen 2700x system, - GPU, Sound, Networking, USB 2.0 all working. 4GB RAM and AHCI too. No PCI IRQ conflicts either, this system is great!
@@CraftComputing Regarding lack of resources - do you see "Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller" listed under System Devices in Device Manager? If you don't that would explain your resource conflicts. also, what is the Windows 3.x HD Audio driver hack?
Love the build. There should be a sister channel dedicated exclusively to retro builds and obsolete hardware. You could call it Crap Computing. Then again maybe that's not a good name. 😅 Seriously though, I do love seeing these old builds.
Pcie was way later then you think. My first job had servers with pci-X slot in the servers 😅. Sata and pcie came out about the same time when devices moved from parallel (like ata and agp) to serial devices like pcie /sata . The first Wi-Fi cards were on PCMCIA cards which was a parallel bus
@@CraftComputing Oh, man. Freeze those banana bread bananas then let them thaw and make banana bread. They thaw to be black, but they'll make the best damn banana bread.
EXCELLENT build. I am a HUGE fan of the SFF Flex ATX builds, I have two modern systems built in this formfactor. I am also a big fan of motocross madness as you might already know ^_^
That case causes Dos Equis "most interesting man" commercial brain worm in my head lol..due to that XX on the side lol... "The Most Interesting Retro Computer in the World" I don't always play computer games, but when I do they are Retro games on this tiny computer...
@Jeff What really held you back was the ITX form factor. ATX or even MATX parts would have been infinitely easier to source and use. BTW, the power on glitch with the IBM keyboard is a known problem with non-IBM desktop PC's. IIRC, it's a IRQ conflict problem that non-IBM board can't resolve at boot-time. That wasn't your fault as it wasn't common knowledge. If you had chosen a Dell or Gateway PS2 keyboard for example, it would have been smooth sailing..
Have you considered a 2002/2003 era shuttle XPC? IIRC mine had an AGP slot and 5.25” and 3.5” external bays. I don’t know if there were win98 drivers but that chassis was the size of a toaster.
Thanks for sharing .. I wish every young computer user could build a period correct win98 pc with all the hardware for the experience , sound, feel, and visuals.. a virtual machine just is not the same.
Microsoft actually some pretty nice mice back in the day! At work, I use a Microsoft Optical Trackball (one of the thumb-controlled ones). I love it :)
I think the best option por Windows 98 SFF PC is using a shuttle XPC (11Litres). I have one with an Athlon XP 2600+ voodoo 5 5500 and sound blaster audigy 2 ZS. edit:Be careful with the voodoo 5500 AGP voltage
I fking lost it when i saw little fighter 2. I spent my whole childhood playing and modding that game. seening that icon brings back so many good memories.
Hi Jeff, thought I let you know about an Intel 775 Socket Mini-ITX Motherboard going by the name of DG41AN. Has a PCI socket and even DDR3. could be interesting to test for you maybe. Really like the oldschool hardware content lately. Greetings from Germany!
The Nvidia 8400GS has a PCI version, 9400GT too. I already mentioned in the last video, not sure if it has W98 support. I had hundreds of those cards, still using a couple.
Interesting build, but I feel like a lot of time and money could have been saved by checking out driver support before buying anything,. Still makes me glad I kept the machine that would fit this class of gaming. I do need to fire it up more often. Gaming was a lot more fun then.
But there is no driver support for Windows 9x on these newer motherboards!?! Also, drivers wasnt the issue, hardware quirks was. And often you cant google the answer since no one has tried and documented the issue. So testing it is. But now we know that PCI extensions have problems 🤣
Meanwhile my laptop is a Pentium 3 single core.... Good old Dell D600! I still have all my computers from the 20 years ago and my old video cards too, even the hard drives lol
I considered doing this with an uATX Pentium III board and in the end decided better just go full ATX route, hey there's always room for one more. This would be an investment I'd not be willing to go to or go through just to play some retro games on period specific hardware. I'd rather have clutter on my desk because there's always clutter as it is.
14:23 those riser are nasty, they need 5v from floppy connector, and even so... not all of them works. don't bother using these for 3.3v cards, even if both notches are there.
I drank two beers in the time it took me to watch this. Do you expect me to believe that you only drank one beer in the time it took you to make it? :D Fascinating to see how some of those old PC components went together. I was wondering if you'd tried using one of the live Linux distros to see if their diagnostics helped in working out what IRQ conflicts you were getting?
Games not in your list I remember playing: Syndicate Tung of The Fat Man Commander Keen Monkey Island that odd space ship fighting game with the different races and ships it was two player! Can’t remember the name of it.
For sound you might want to look into stuff like the OPL3LPT, PhilsComputerLab has shown this on his channel and it seems to be quiet a nice piece of hardware. Sadly it uses the parallelport which you don't have directly on board, but maybe there is something out there which uses the serial port!
That IBM keyboard is genuinely one of the best membrane keyboards you can get. They more commonly come in "dark mode" colors and are available in both USB and PS/2, and both IBM and Lenovo branding (both are good). I have 3 lol. I really want one of the "light" ones. The GeForce 6200, for similar reasons, is a great GPU for set-and-forget Win98 machines. New enough that it can breeze through most games, not too new that it lacks drivers, and they come in PCI, AGP, and PCIe. Not the most authentic to the period, but it's close enough to not really matter for most games. Small note for the 6200, though: for mine on Win98SE I had some problems with the latest drivers. I think I used the oldest ones I could find for it on Nvidia's website and that solved everything (I tried almost every version fwiw). If anyone needs more details on the exact version (or needs it on the internet archive) let me know and I'll double check what the machine is running!
The smallest socket 370 motherboards that I remember were ASUS Flex ATX, then ITX standar came into play with VIA processors. Then socket 478 became popular and it's when I started seeing ITX intel based motherboards. Not even DTX socekt 370 motherboards were available, because that form factor came after ITX. Anyways, form factors always confuses me, check this out maybe fit into your project: Xcel 2000 motharboard.
Great project as always, really nice hardware evaluation which will help people a lot on their journey to retro gaming. The only thing I have to mention is: This is supposed to be a somewhere in the neighbourhood of late 90s early 2000s gaming PC. How dare you not using a Razer Boomslang with it?! =D
- Socket 370 - Via C7 - Windows ME Welp, there goes my tech support PTSD, and well into the mid 2000's. I remember when people where breaking their mouses on purpose to get first a mouse "with a wheel", then it was optical. Also IRQ issues, damn that took me back to family computer era. Even now and then I got a family member or friend that wants to recover data from an old PC and even if I have an asortment of USB adapters, nothing beat an old motherboard and lightweight linux.
In that case, the computer is like a reverse sleeper build. Looks super sleek and modern but it's actually the opposite!
First! I hopped on TH-cam to destress, and lo and behold, this video sat on my homepage, uploaded 53 seconds ago. Thanks for the great timing :)
Great job getting all this up and running. My dad was tech savvy so my first computer game was reader rabbit in the apple II. Then Oregon trail. He switched to pc and I remember going through 3.1, 3.11, and all we really got to play was paint, then with 95 we got Command and Conquer, and Warcaft 2 and it changed my world.
Dedication pays off. Your childhood in a tiny silver box. Congratulations!
Childhood would be DOS. This is more High School and College :-)
NOW I understand why you drink!!😉
That was a LOT of hoops to jump through, but we'll worth it in the end. That is a beautiful case and a great setup. 🙂
Ah how i dont miss having to change IRQ values to get Sound and GPUs working
Frankly, IRQ:s have gone nowhere in PCIe, most just never worry about them these days. If you do very VERY time critical IO operations, you want to break out the manual of your motherboard and figure out the IRQ priorities of your PCIe slots so you can make sure the expansion card for the critical IO has straight connection to the CPU and has the highest priority,possibly even surpassing your GPU so that you can be sure nothing gets in the way of that device when it wants to transfer data.
this is mostly applicable in real time applications though (like real time audio processing)
I worked for Creative Labs in Technical Support. That was every day of my life in this era. :)
A prize to anyone who survives a drinking game where you take a shot every time he says 'unfortunately'. ;)
Ever try that with Jay's "I digress"s ? Lol
well back in my day, when we gamed, we had 8 bays and 12 fans! And we liked it!
Lol, finally something those sad Atom boards aren't garbage at
Man, seeing that UI really brings me back to my first introduction to computers. My dad's personal computer had a NES emulator with Mario Kart and had the 1st Duke Nukem game (which was a side scroller), as well as other games.
As someone who has their machine build in a Velka 3 case, I approve of this case choice.
I love challenging content.
man especially puzzles. I LOVE being mentally challenged :D
I used that same mouse on my old Power Mac G4 Tower. Worked fantastic!
The case is pretty slick! Nice to see a non-black option in Mini-ITX.
Wow, Simcopter! That brings back so many happy memories!
This is as good a job at retro PC builds as the verge did for a contemporary one that you took the piss out of a few years back.
With it being a year ago I do hope youve learnt some things since then.
The missing USB driver is for the EHCI USB 2.0 controller. There are USB 2.0 drivers for Win9x out there if you know where to look. On the storage front, it looks like you have drivers for the SATA controller.
I'm getting 2001 direct x vibes from this case. I like it.
Kontron 886LCD-M/mITX is a DTX/ITX motherboard with AGP and a pci slot. Zotac makes a PCI version of the GT430 and GT520.
Nostalgia at its finest 🥰🤩👍 growing up using an Amiga 500 w/ 512kb upgrade… then I moved onto 486DX2-80mhz with Dos 3.1, then 3.11, then Windows 95, 98, 98SE, a second Windows pc with NT 4.0, then 5.0. Back to my main pc … then Windows XP, XP64, Vista (🤦♂🤦♀🤦) Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition, Windows 10 x64 Pro …..ahhhhh the experiences, memories & frustrations! Definitely a time of learning unlike these days where most issues are automatically resolved at a bios or OS level. Even overclocking is a dying art in many ways and now is nothing like it used to be 👍🏆😉
Amiga love!
Love it! Way to stick with the project and finally finish it.
Love all the work. It really is like building a Win 98 computer but slightly more difficult. Trying to make sure everything is going to work together, find drivers, etc.
Need the entire X-Wing series.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. I’m younger than you but grew up playing the same era of video games. A lot of nostalgia here!
Loved this, brings back some really good memories that I would love to relive.
That windows ME startup sound really takes me back to my early days doing lvl 1 phone support. :)
Ah damn, looks like my doppelganger is in my recommended again and made me do a double take. That was fun. I swear this is like looking into some sorta freaky parallel universe, or maybe a Star Trek-based mirror universe as I personally wouldn't be caught dead with an IPA. Dark beers all the way for me.
Jedi Knight games are still my all time favourite! I was not expecting to see Little Fighter 2! i thought i was the only one that played that game lol
This is so awesome! I think I’ll have to play with some of my old, reto stuff now! I’d love to get my old “Jane’s Fighting Ships - 688i” game from 1998 working again!
Oh man. Your keyboard problem takes me back. I kNOW I've had the same problem in the past.
Via had a line of C7 based boards in the ITX style. VIA has pretty good chipset driver support for 98. Some even have compatible sound cards.
I will always wonder if building with authentic hardware or 100% diy like the "WeeCee" by TheRasteri or by building a couple diy parts to avoid configuration problems is the best way to make retro systems.
BTW, great job. You have a lot of knowledge on how to figure out all the parts you needed to adjust for your retro PC project.
I regret trashing one PC without troubleshooting it (wouldn't turn on). If I do have the opportunity at another retro computer, I'm not sure if I could keep it or be capable of the maintenance of getting it back into working order.
lol, I have this exact case for my kids' computer. in it I have an asrock H470m ITX with a core i7 ~10700. it serves as their computer and plays NES, Super NES, and N64 games. i thought that it would be cool to connect it not only to their two monitors but to connect it to the TV to play games.... awesome idea. the size of i allows me to put it into their bookshelf. if you look at the amazon link for the case provided by craft computing in the description above, you can see pics of their computer when i was testing it at my computer station area and in the bookshelf. love the size and the look of the case. highly recommend it.
No way! I remember having the same exact issue with PS/2 keyboard with one of my first computers! My uncle suggested that I should try to turn the PC on without any peripherals and that's when I noticed that the computer would boot normally without the damn keyboard lol. Now this was about 20 years ago so can't remember the details (I was like 10?) but I THINK that at some point I fixed it with PS/2 to USB adapter.
Actually Jeff SATA 150 was around in the later days of Windows 98.
It survived a little longer than most people think. It was cheaper than XP so people bought it. It was also known to be more compatible with games so it had that over XP too.
Second correction is about XP and PCIe graphics cards.
The first card I remember for PCIe was the X850XT which was quite early in the XP life, but all the other cards were AGP which means you were looking at 1-2 years to change over from all AGP and then another 1-2 years to take up PCIe and then another year for PCIe to take over AGP as the dominant card for XP which means XP was into 2007 before PCIe graphics was defacto.
Ahh retro gaming and retro peripherals... takes me back...
*Windows ME sounds*
*Flashbacks ensue*
I remember when I started my first IT job for an electrical retailer here is Australia and we used to provide these mice to users.
They would continue to use the USB-PS2 adaptors even though they were already using a USB keyboard and still had USB ports available.
When asked why they were using the adaptor, they said "because IT gave it to me" or, "it was in the box".
Is there a reason you would go with USB when PS/2 works fine? I haven't heard of anybody complaining that they had one more USB port free.
@@eDoc2020 considering how limited number if usb ports back then it makes sense
I love old computer
I got myself a DFI G4M100-MS12 a few years back for a win98 build. All on-board hardware works and I installed a voodoo3 pci card for the most classic experience. I'm tempted to try winME after seeing yours and I don't really do much with dos.
My brother had a Jetway MiniQ back in the day, a pre ITX (though very similar) setup that was dual slot and had a PCI and AGP next to each other. You could possibly get the board to fit in to an ITX case.
Based Windows ME.
People like to hate on it but it's nothing more than an updated Windows 98SE with some improvements and newer drivers built-in.
It's cool that it works so well on such a modern platform with 2GB of RAM.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend ME for a retro gaming PC but when you're focused almost exclusively on Windows games and don't need any DOS mode stuff, it's an underappreciated choice. Definitely better for more modern hardware like this
That build montage was very Mr. Rogers, meets Craft Computing. Thank you!
This makes me really happy I went with MATX though my "case" was two pieces of plywood and some 1x4s. I should really make something proper for that build.
Heck, if I went with a FlexATX PSU and ditched the optical drive I guess it wouldn't be much bigger than your case.
Mooore retro build :p Nice video !
Snake Jazz B-Roll FTW.
Tss-st ta-tss-st ta-tss-st ta-tss-st ta-tss-st ta-tss-st
Thank you craft . enjoying the music ❤️
Radeon 9xxx/X8xx/firegl v5100 and GeForce 6xxx/7xxx PCIe cards are windows 98 compatible, overkill probably, but compatible.
I have a core2duo, firegl v5100 and soundblaster live build, and it's awesome, you can't get more powerful without paying too much for the parts, I only paid the equivalent of 20$ for the firegl, the rest was about to be thrown away or I had it laying around.
Awesome build, and you made me miss my IntelliMouse Explorer which worked for YEARS!
Although, Windows ME? You monster lol
I got win98se working on my Ryzen 2700x system, - GPU, Sound, Networking, USB 2.0 all working. 4GB RAM and AHCI too.
No PCI IRQ conflicts either, this system is great!
That's insane! What motherboard did you go with? And are you using the Windows 3.x HD Audio driver hack?
@@CraftComputing Regarding lack of resources - do you see "Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller" listed under System Devices in Device Manager?
If you don't that would explain your resource conflicts.
also, what is the Windows 3.x HD Audio driver hack?
Add hero's of might and magic to that install and you will have everything I remeber from my childhood
I'm mad I missed this when it first came out, but 😍😍
Love the build. There should be a sister channel dedicated exclusively to retro builds and obsolete hardware. You could call it Crap Computing. Then again maybe that's not a good name. 😅 Seriously though, I do love seeing these old builds.
I had one Geforce 6200 back in the day where it was relatively newish. A good budget one
Pcie was way later then you think. My first job had servers with pci-X slot in the servers 😅. Sata and pcie came out about the same time when devices moved from parallel (like ata and agp) to serial devices like pcie /sata . The first Wi-Fi cards were on PCMCIA cards which was a parallel bus
12:24 * sighs *
* goes to kitchen to get a banana to compare it to my torso *
I checked, and all of our bananas were between 'ok for banana bread' and 'black', otherwise I would have provided a proper scale.
@@CraftComputing Oh, man. Freeze those banana bread bananas then let them thaw and make banana bread. They thaw to be black, but they'll make the best damn banana bread.
Wow, no Descent 1/2/3?? Come on man! Love the build. It's awesome.
Or are those too old for the sound card? (You mentioned DOS based games wouldn't have sound).
EXCELLENT build. I am a HUGE fan of the SFF Flex ATX builds, I have two modern systems built in this formfactor.
I am also a big fan of motocross madness as you might already know ^_^
That case causes Dos Equis "most interesting man" commercial brain worm in my head lol..due to that XX on the side lol... "The Most Interesting Retro Computer in the World" I don't always play computer games, but when I do they are Retro games on this tiny computer...
@Jeff
What really held you back was the ITX form factor. ATX or even MATX parts would have been infinitely easier to source and use. BTW, the power on glitch with the IBM keyboard is a known problem with non-IBM desktop PC's. IIRC, it's a IRQ conflict problem that non-IBM board can't resolve at boot-time. That wasn't your fault as it wasn't common knowledge. If you had chosen a Dell or Gateway PS2 keyboard for example, it would have been smooth sailing..
Have you considered a 2002/2003 era shuttle XPC? IIRC mine had an AGP slot and 5.25” and 3.5” external bays. I don’t know if there were win98 drivers but that chassis was the size of a toaster.
yep, hey had both Intel & AMD options available... but this solution is still half the size of any of them
Great video! It is so wonderful to see you so happy 😊
Thanks for sharing .. I wish every young computer user could build a period correct win98 pc with all the hardware for the experience , sound, feel, and visuals.. a virtual machine just is not the same.
Those D510s are great! I've been running one with my pfSense server for the better part of a decade!
Microsoft actually some pretty nice mice back in the day! At work, I use a Microsoft Optical Trackball (one of the thumb-controlled ones). I love it :)
Honestly even their ball mice are pretty good if well maintained and used with a good mouse pad
I think the best option por Windows 98 SFF PC is using a shuttle XPC (11Litres). I have one with an Athlon XP 2600+ voodoo 5 5500 and sound blaster audigy 2 ZS. edit:Be careful with the voodoo 5500 AGP voltage
wow! Windows Many Error... I felt so old watching this content. haha!
Starcraft was a classic then also. I am playing that a lot lately, nearly 24 years after its release.
I fking lost it when i saw little fighter 2. I spent my whole childhood playing and modding that game. seening that icon brings back so many good memories.
I used this case for a pfsense build, works well.
I find it hilarious that the atom has to go eons back to find a suitable matchup
well done .can you or have you tried PS2 to USB adapter on the keyboard ?
* quietly waits for some Star Trek: Armada game play *
I still have my intellipoint. Fantastic mouse and still going strong!
This is cool Jeff!
Hi Jeff, thought I let you know about an Intel 775 Socket Mini-ITX Motherboard going by the name of DG41AN. Has a PCI socket and even DDR3. could be interesting to test for you maybe. Really like the oldschool hardware content lately. Greetings from Germany!
Nice video, bring back good memories. barring Windows ME, WHAT A PIECE OF ********
awsome idea pn older parts...o love my q58 and 65w r7 2700 air cooled..plus rtx 2060...i love it...love the vids..
Good man, with the LF2
The Nvidia 8400GS has a PCI version, 9400GT too. I already mentioned in the last video, not sure if it has W98 support. I had hundreds of those cards, still using a couple.
No Win9x drivers newer than GeForce 7000 series though.
So I have taken this challenge. I am truing my own.
Interesting build, but I feel like a lot of time and money could have been saved by checking out driver support before buying anything,.
Still makes me glad I kept the machine that would fit this class of gaming. I do need to fire it up more often. Gaming was a lot more fun then.
But there is no driver support for Windows 9x on these newer motherboards!?!
Also, drivers wasnt the issue, hardware quirks was. And often you cant google the answer since no one has tried and documented the issue. So testing it is.
But now we know that PCI extensions have problems 🤣
I checked and there is an bios update maybe that will fix ur issues fun how theres still the old bios available msi a7618ims
Meanwhile my laptop is a Pentium 3 single core.... Good old Dell D600! I still have all my computers from the 20 years ago and my old video cards too, even the hard drives lol
fun fact: your audigy 2zs is from a dell prebuilt, you can tell because of the different audio front panel connector
I still used an AGP card as late as 2008. I can't remember the model but it was a 256mb nvidia card.
I considered doing this with an uATX Pentium III board and in the end decided better just go full ATX route, hey there's always room for one more. This would be an investment I'd not be willing to go to or go through just to play some retro games on period specific hardware. I'd rather have clutter on my desk because there's always clutter as it is.
I remember, ECS had their mini PC called U-buddie, and that one had an ITX board with socket 478. I think the board P/N was ES4M
Little Fighter 2 was Godlike.
14:23 those riser are nasty, they need 5v from floppy connector, and even so... not all of them works.
don't bother using these for 3.3v cards, even if both notches are there.
I drank two beers in the time it took me to watch this. Do you expect me to believe that you only drank one beer in the time it took you to make it? :D Fascinating to see how some of those old PC components went together. I was wondering if you'd tried using one of the live Linux distros to see if their diagnostics helped in working out what IRQ conflicts you were getting?
I'm suprised that you didn't go some crazy route like retro machine inside proxmox vm.
God such a great throw back ah the good days
Games not in your list I remember playing: Syndicate Tung of The Fat Man Commander Keen Monkey Island that odd space ship fighting game with the different races and ships it was two player! Can’t remember the name of it.
For sound you might want to look into stuff like the OPL3LPT, PhilsComputerLab has shown this on his channel and it seems to be quiet a nice piece of hardware.
Sadly it uses the parallelport which you don't have directly on board, but maybe there is something out there which uses the serial port!
Maybe I should do something similar. I do happen to have an old flex atx PSU laying around.
That IBM keyboard is genuinely one of the best membrane keyboards you can get. They more commonly come in "dark mode" colors and are available in both USB and PS/2, and both IBM and Lenovo branding (both are good). I have 3 lol. I really want one of the "light" ones.
The GeForce 6200, for similar reasons, is a great GPU for set-and-forget Win98 machines. New enough that it can breeze through most games, not too new that it lacks drivers, and they come in PCI, AGP, and PCIe. Not the most authentic to the period, but it's close enough to not really matter for most games.
Small note for the 6200, though: for mine on Win98SE I had some problems with the latest drivers. I think I used the oldest ones I could find for it on Nvidia's website and that solved everything (I tried almost every version fwiw). If anyone needs more details on the exact version (or needs it on the internet archive) let me know and I'll double check what the machine is running!
Plugging the keyboard in after post. now that sounds period correct
The smallest socket 370 motherboards that I remember were ASUS Flex ATX, then ITX standar came into play with VIA processors. Then socket 478 became popular and it's when I started seeing ITX intel based motherboards. Not even DTX socekt 370 motherboards were available, because that form factor came after ITX. Anyways, form factors always confuses me, check this out maybe fit into your project: Xcel 2000 motharboard.
You just made my day, Jeff
Great project as always, really nice hardware evaluation which will help people a lot on their journey to retro gaming.
The only thing I have to mention is: This is supposed to be a somewhere in the neighbourhood of late 90s early 2000s gaming PC. How dare you not using a Razer Boomslang with it?! =D
- Socket 370
- Via C7
- Windows ME
Welp, there goes my tech support PTSD, and well into the mid 2000's.
I remember when people where breaking their mouses on purpose to get first a mouse "with a wheel", then it was optical.
Also IRQ issues, damn that took me back to family computer era.
Even now and then I got a family member or friend that wants to recover data from an old PC and even if I have an asortment of USB adapters, nothing beat an old motherboard and lightweight linux.
A ps2 to USB adapter might fix that keyboard issue. I used to use one for my model m on my ryzen build