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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2023
- After 1 month of ownership, here are the things I already love and hate about my Integra Type S.
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Acura please give this car the same seats as the type R but leather wrapped, a 5th seat in the back, a way to turn traction off fully without dancing and a upgraded dash display over the civic. Add those and it would be perfect!
A FWD car with winter tires can easily handle winter driving on plowed roads. AWD is really only crucial for getting through deep snow or start/stops on steep icy roads.
Whelp... I'm out then. Deep snow and an icy, uphill exit from the subdivision through much of the winter.
I drove a 2005 civic coupe manual for ten years in MN in all season ties without incident or complications. Front wheel drive is perfectly fine for cold weather states.
fwd can handle any snow. you just nees to buy great snow tires and don't be cheap
The seats are puzzling for a car that otherwise, seems very well thought out.
Need Type R seat option
Needs 5th seat option
@@AB62312 and a middle armrest for the back seat with the 5th seat
Two things that I've noticed are, 1. You can't open the rear hatch unless the car is off. No manual release. 2. Passenger seat belt rattles with the windows down. 3. Small gas tank. I wish it were 1-2 gallons larger for extended range. 4. Can't fit golf clubs in width wise. Even with those short comings. I still really really like this car.
You can open the rear hatch with the vehicle on. You just need to make sure you press the unlock button on the drivers door and you can open the hatch.
I'm actually ok with the fuel capacity. I'm able to get around 300 miles between fill ups in mixed city/hwy driving which is adequate.
You would think that current cars are getting larger but the trunk space is small. My 98 prelude, and 2001 civic could fit my golf clubs width wise with no problem.
I wish it came with the CTR’s gauges, shift lights and seats then it would be a solid buy.
The good news is, since they are essentially the same car, those parts are plug and play if you wanted to get them.
I agree needing an option for sportier seats. From an aesthetic standpoint they don't look all that good even though it may be comfortable for some body types.
Hey Zygrene, Great review! I've the Apec/Tech 6 MT in same color scheme and most of your comments translate to my every day driving experience.
The omissions on the Type S vs my car don't make sense-other than attempts to reduce weight so it can match the FL5 in races. I think they should have left in the middle rear seat, the electric seat controls for passenger and rear USB ports-at least. The memory seat settings are nice if you have two drivers.
I found my seat too hard for several hundred miles-but it did soften up on break-in. Now its comfortable. can adjust mine to be comfortable-longest drive was approx 3 hrs-was OK, Bolstering was OK-until I started challenging a certain rough, canyon road. :-)
The S3 etc while offering RWD and more performance-also charge lots for the standard safety/driving features the Integra 6MT and Type S come with. Also better expected reliability-cost of maintenance as compared to Audi/BMW/VW...
I see big price cuts on 2-3 year old Audi/BMW''s as compared to over original MSRP for FL8 Type R....
I've seen equal track performance vids of FL5 vs ITS-with PEDAL DANCE. How about a BUTTON. I hope you find a fix for lack of oil temp gauge~
Eric
The solidity of the CT4-V BW is miles ahead of this Civic platform. It’s not even close.
Honest review❤
I have to say, I personally found the BRZ a bit more exciting. I guess driving RWD has ruined FWD for me. Still appreciate your channel.
I have a 2022 Acura RDX A-Spec SH-AWD, and I love it so far. It is fantastic in the snow during my winter drives up to the Tahoe ski resorts. The AWD is extremely capable.
He said in a video he chose this because he could get it at msrp. Type R in cali is all $10-15k adm, which would make it more expensive than this type s
I have to offer an opposing view. I love the seats. Great on long trips, hold me in just fine for backroads and autocross. Every body is different. Definitely try them for yourself before taking anyone’s word on how good or bad the seats are.
Pedal dance isn’t that bad, I memorized it by my 2nd autocross run last weekend. It is NECESSARY to enjoy driving the car hard though.
Legit gripe about the lack of temp gauge. 100%
Also the blue one on cars and bids sold for $56k privately a day later. Lots of folks being that up as a data point and it’s not relevant.
Otherwise, it’s not a question of “worth”- to those who are in this market for a manual performance sedan, you have to go up to an M3 to get a similar experience.
Looking forward to your track impressions.
Agree on seat comfort being highly subjective. Never take someone's word for it - need to sit in it yourself. Had no idea the C&B car sold for 56k. Good to know!
I don't think its subjective that one seat has better side bolstering than the other seat, that's just fact. Unless someone is too wide for the type R seats and better fits in the type S seats, it's not a matter opinion on that one
@@da-yh3uyI wasn’t talking about the type r seats. Pretty clearly talking about the seats in the ITS. The Type R seats aren’t available in the Type S so not sure what your point is.
@@optronix lol youre opposing the view of type r vs its seats from the video. he wasn't comparing its seats to a ford explorer seat was he?
I agree both ways. For daily driving, and highway driving, I love the seats. Sorry comfortable, easy to sit in all day, very nice looking.
When you are throwing the car around, it doesn't hold you in at all, and if you want to use a harness you have to replace them anyway.
To me, that's a statement from Acura that this car is Type Street not Type Racetrack.
My nearly 8-year-old Golf R lacks the modern displays but it does have an oil temperature readout which I depend upon heavily to gauge when the engine is sufficiently warmed up for performance driving and to make sure it has cooled sufficiently before turning off. I also monitor it driving on the highway and during hot weather (Florida). I couldn't imagine being without it. It is unconscionable for a high-performance turbo car to be without it, especially when the car exceeds $50K (my car cost $36K new).
the back seat design choice is because it's built off of the Type R platform which is also a 4 seater. Different upholstery in the back, yes, but still the same backseat at the Type R which is track focused.
I'm not surprised that you mentioned the vague engagement of the brz clutch, which I noticed on my 2017 86. After much fiddling, I finally removed my stock master cylinder and replaced it with a clutch masters wildwood unit that does not have a clutch damper in the hydraulics. That has vastly improved the clutch takeup and ease of shifting! I also adjusted the drive by wire throttle mapping as well, which has improved low speed driving.
I had a 2017 86 for almost 2 years- I was okay with the vague clutch, but the squeaky noise it made was the worst, and it came back every summer.
@@rpons541 Hmm, I never had a squeak, but the rubber stop for the clutch pedal disintegrated, causing an annoying clunk lol. I had to replace it with a generic one.
Great review. After your track day, I’m curious. Would you buy it again.
I believe the backseat arrangement could be for insurance purposes of making it a 4-seater/4-passenger rather than 5-passenger. Also possibly to save costs in separate material. Considering the new teggy is still based on the Civic Type-R, I'd imagine it being possible to simply install civic backseats.
10:00 Bad seats/no memory, NO middle rear seat, NO sunroof.
14:00 Overheating issues.
15:00 62/38 F/R Weight distribution for a “performance sedan” is laughable.
EZ deal breakers for many.
Sales will be abysmal second year after the initial hype is over.
I have the normal A-Spec 6MT Integra and totally agree on the seats. I just can't get them 100% comfortable and they dont hold you in well. And they also get hot as hell in the summer, the alcantara doesnt seem to breathe like normal cloth. If i can figure out how to switch them out for CTR seats i probably will
I recently test drove an Integra A-Spec, and I don't know if they are the same seats, but I found the bottom seat cushions shockingly hard. (Meanwhile $26,000 Forte GT seats were comfy and cooled and no complaints)
I'm sure if you get a ktuner you can get the oil temp to show. It has it's own screen and connects to the obd2. Also lets you get it tuned.
May I ask what your day job is apart from youtube? I live near Sacramento.
Watch Acura put sport bucket seats and sunroof on the 2025 model. Manufacturers love to get us like that.
Speaking of the track, curious your thoughts on track insurance? Curious what % of track drivers actually get it? Anecdotally it seems very low. Seems like a good idea for those high value Porsche GT cars, but curious if $30-$60k cars if it's worth it?
They really needed to put memory seats, power passenger seats, remote trunk release. Also the wireless apple car play is laggy. Are any of these a deal breaker? Absolutely not. It’s a blast to drive and much better looking than the competitors you mentioned IMHO. Loving every second of it.
Think one of the main reasons the backseat has no center seat is because that is sort of a tribute to the DC2 era integra which had no center backseat.
Love the look of the car and would mostly agree with your opinions about aesthetics. But at $52k? Not a chance. It's missing many features i would expect for a car in that range.
I can tell Hyundai N car was very good overall
Unfortunately in my country (Malaysia) doesn't have, maybe have 5-10 i30n pre-facelift
Just picked up the twin of your car. Traded my GRC CE for it... Unbelievably better clutch/throttle/transmission for around town driving. Anyways, the seats are a pretty bigggg sore spot right now (I passed on a type R to get this, and am somewhat wondering if I made the right decision on seats alone). I'm struggling getting the right adjustment of height, tilt, lumbar, etc. I also feel the steering wheel should telescope out further. Finally, the stitching/material around the bolsters nearest to the doors, looks wrinkly and terrible - nothing like what should be in a 50k vehicle. MK8 Golf R seats are best in this class (had one before my GRC). I actually thought the grc seats were very comfortable, despite having no lumbar or power adjustments.
The seats are plastic leather, not real leather! Keep up the great work!
Damn the hood Dublin area for life. Pleasanton also?
11:50 The reason why Acura made this design choice because every single Honda Civic Type R that is a FK2, FK8, or FL5 all have a max weight capacity that is only 680 lb's. 680 lb's divided by 5 people is only 136 lb's per person. But then again, the Honda Accord 2.0T Sport had 5 seats.
My main complaint is the lack of rear seat vents since I have two kids and live in California. Still at the top of my list though!
There are kits out there to add them.
tell ur kids "it builds character"
The interior is small, and even with the fan speed on low, it’s adequate for the rear too!
@@CarsMeetsBikes😂😂
I love the car and in fact, I have a deposit down on one right now and I’m waiting. But here are a couple of other things I’ve noticed since watching reviews that bother me. Number one there’s no rear windshield wiper if you’re going every day, drive this, especially if you live in snowy conditions that’s a massive oversight.number two front windshield wipers when you spray only dribble water out of the blades themselves rather than dedicated nozzles on the hood and it does a poor job. Once again a heavy oversight. Finally I agree with the seat comments, and I wish they were more bolstered.
sick car! but lacking a few things Id like to see in a car in this price point. ( standard heated steering wheel, cooled seats, rear usb ports, ambient lights, better dash.) Basically the new standard tech package the TLX type S got. Just add the tech and leave it FWD (even though Id prefer the SH AWD haha)
Hey Fanton San didn't know your from the Pleasanton area. Lol I work in the dublin business center plaza, the big buildings right across from the kia dealership and next to the overpass.
I wonder if you can find a wrecked type r and get the seats out of it?
wondering if you experience a lag for calls using wireless apple car play?
Would you get the type r instead if it were available? Seems like the main advantage of the type s is the adaptive damper programming?
Sound system is pretty big too
Test drove one finally.
The seats are bad. Like somehow worse than my Rdx which makes no sense.
I have a feeling we’ll see a special edition at some point with the type r seats.
I also don’t like the gauges- for a fun car it feels too standard Acura/Honda to me.
Yeah the seats are a huge disappointment. I gave this feedback in a survey back to Acura. I could live with the gauges if there was an oil temp readout. This is a major omission in a car that's mechanically identical to the FL5 Type R and therefore "track capable"
Appreciate your review!
As a daily, not track, how close does an Integra A Spec 1.5 Tech with 6 speed compared to the S for driving enjoyment?
I have the 2023 Aspec manual and it's still a very fun car to drive. I was going to trade in my Aspec for Type S but decided not to because they mark up in WA 63k. I got my Aspec when it first came out at 35k with add-ons. Now the Aspec is 38k msrp! Insane!
The Aspec is very fun and looks good in person as well. I don't race or go to the track so the Aspec suits me. Plus with sun roof and memory seat adjustment.
Regarding the seats - the CTR only has a 680 pound passengers capacity and while I’m not sure (you’d have to check the production details on the drivers door), I wouldn’t be surprised if the ITS was the same.
I thought I heard somewhere that some combo of the ride height, wheels, and body structure meant it couldn’t support much weight. That’s the only reason I can think of. Makes no sense to me but I thought I saw that.
I also thought I heard that there’s specific supports that don’t support a middle seat - but again… that doesn’t really make any sense as it still has a seatback. Maybe it’s a seatbelt placement issue?
It was the same for the fk8 too. Ive heard someone adding in a base model fk7 rear seat for 3 people and accompanying seatbelt buti think insurance might deny you coverage if they find out you did that in the case of an accident but someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in lol
Yes--it's not that easy to increase the passenger/load capacity from the original design because it leads to a hundred cascading changes. For example, suppose you want to add a 200 lbs passenger to the rear. Now with the weight the rear springs are squatting down a certain amount. Because it's starting from a lower position, the suspension geometry will now go beyond the normal expected range on large bumps and the rake is ruining the aerodynamcs. So to compensate, you make the rear springs stiffer. Now the stiff rear suspension will make the car more oversteery at the limit and it hurts ride quality. So you adjust the rear sway bar and the damper calibration and maybe also change the front to try to compensate. It works but now you still have a stiffer ride and the chassis engineers aren't happy you messed with the setup they worked for years on. All these changes cost money and suddenly the Integra is no longer saving money by inheriting from the CTR and the accountants are unhappy and want you to just drop the extra passenger.
Have you ever considered selling NSX for a newer Porsche?
It is a 4 seater since its as its the same platform built off the new Type R.
I feel as Acura felt as if the type s owners aren’t gonna push there cars as hard an type r owners that’s why the type s didn’t get the logging system like the type r but a simple oil temp gage by its self would have been nice I stay the same thing about my 23 civic si, my si doesn’t even have a water temp gage just a blue light when it’s cold and if it starts to overheat you get a red light
They should release a Sportline version lowered with buckets & gas struts
Kinda blows my mind that the infotainment screen isn’t in color like in the type r. That’s the most mind boggling thing of the whole car to me.
I live in LA and will it be a bad choice to get this car, since it's a manual in a dense city with bad traffic? Will it tire me to drive it every day, all day?
What do you do for a living?
My guess on the cup holders is legal put them there to show that absolutely is not a seat :)
Speaking of living in California, how are you dealing with the Type S's recommended 93 Premium octane fuel in a state that generally doesn't offer 93? Our Premium is only 91 octane. Sure, the car can safely run on 91, but at reduced power, and with occasional knocking and pinging. This was one of the reasons I passed on the GR86. There simply are no gas stations around here that offer 93, and I wasn't willing to use octane boosters with every tankful.
It runs fine on 87 octane. Best performance from mpg and overall run midgrade was best which here is 89 octane. It recommends premium for “best” performance.
Acura uses very little real leather, if any. I was told by two salesman that the A-spec had real leather seats only to find out when I got home with the new car that they are synthetic.
Speedsf sept 15 @ Sonoma?
Where do you live and how did u get msrp
Try with mk8r back to back please
Love the ITS videos, but it’s not making my wait easier.
Love the look but for comparison I paid 40k out the door for my CX-30 which got me the following:
Nicely designed leather interior. The Integra is literally the Civic interior whereas the TLX gets an Acura interior…
Heated steering wheel. This is an option in the ITS you have to pay more for, not standard at 52k.
Heated seats, HUD. BOSE sound system, Sunroof and vents in the rear for passengers (unlike the ITS). A 5th passenger seat. And memory setting for the one power seat. And of course, AWD.
Throw in the fact that my CX-30 has a 250HP turbo’d engine that gets a 0-60 time about a second and a half slower than the ITS and I can’t help but feel like Honda is just taking advantage of people.
Look, I know my CX-30 is not a performance vehicle. It’s not hitting any track or impressing any people. It’s just a plastic cladded, grocery getting, dog carrying, kayak transporting work horse that happens to have more luxury features than a car 20k more…seems a bit silly
No available sunroof option is a bummer.
4 seats I guess an engineering issue related to weight support / suspension for that potential passenger in the rear seat = not worth it the additional compromise
Elantra N vs this, which is faster
Why you didn't consider the Elantra N Facelift?😌
It's not out yet?
Every piece of “tech” you mentioned is in the Type R except for the HUD. You also neglect to mention that it doesn’t have built in navigation which the Type R does and I can’t forgive the fact that it doesn’t have ventilated seats and that the leather in the seats is no where near as premium in look as what’s in other Honda products like the Pilot Elite. Only feature this car has better over the Type R is the exhaust.
That’s crazy my 2024 integra a spec tech edition does have memory seats and both front seats are power adjustable. And the middle back seat doesn’t have those cup holders either. That is very weird how yall don’t get that
omg I just realized that….😮
Also have you noticed the wastegate noise at all? It's pretty obvious and distracting in my car, but others don't seem to mind it.
There's a little bit, but frankly I don't notice it unless I try. I usually play music while driving and it drowns it out.
That tablet sticking out from the top of the dash infuriates me. Can we not integrate it so it looks more seamless? Also angle it towards the driver.
I loathe SUVs, but I cannot imagine a family of 5 looking at an Integra as their primary mode of transport.
When I drove the Type S I didn't feel the difference between comfort and Sport +. But it was also on backroads and not anything canyon like. I was blown away by the handling though. VERY Direct. It did feel very upscale, and I agree that the shifter and clutch feel and ease were awesome. I haven't driven a manual in about 3.5 years and never even came close to stalling it. I would say the thing that bothers me the most about the car... You cannot get the Red seats on all colors. Apex Blue with Red seats would look really sharp. If I want Red seats I have to go Black, White, or Gray which I really wouldn't want to do.
Interesting, I feel a huge difference between Comfort and Sport+ for suspension. I was disappointed by the lack of a red seat option for Apex Blue Pearl as well.
There probably no center seat because the headrest would block your view out the back. The view out the rear window is so tiny as is.
Interesting point. Hadn't thought about that. But I doubt that's the main reason there's no middle seat.
@@Zygrene the ctr also does not have a center seat
Does the A Spec have a different rear window?
11:58 I'm pretty sure that someone looking for a car to accommodate their family of 5 wouldn't even consider buying one that's only designed for 4 passengers.
FL5 Type R the way to
Go. Msrp
I’ve never seen an FL5 selling for MSRP yet
@@jamie-alexander6247 got mine at MSRP.
If the ITS had no back seat, no modern technology and only had a radio, pw and ac and it lost weight elsewhere that would be what I want.
It’s all about the drive.
used rs3 all day over this. AWD, more power, better interior, lamborghini exhaust note
Until it’s time to do maintenance and repairs then it’s Honda/Acura all day long!! Buying and maintaining used German cars is not to smart for your wallet
unfortunately manual 4/5 doors cars are dying breed. so if you want manual - rs3/cla is not an option, if you want more than 2 doors - m2 is not an option. gti/R have a final year with manual. I wander how Elantra N and WRX(both with questionable styling ) would compare to ITS. ct4bw is a good alternative but with a much higher price, granted with better performance and rwd...
Lexus f 350 sport is a much better buy for 50k. The only thing the integra s has is the manuel clutch. There's plenty out there for that price I can't see the integra for more than 40k
cool car, but 53k msrp is just absurd
If I’m dropping 50k on a car, I don’t wanna shift. I’ll take the TLX Type S.
No air vent, not even power outlet in the back? Yeah, otherwise, perfect.
Since in the beginning of the video you made a comparison of this interior to the CT4 BW.. I have to say the seats and steering wheel are definitely better on the Blackwing, maybe even shifter too depending on how much resistance you like.. The only noticeable advantage I see that Acura has over GM interiors is they most probably use better plastic parts but that's about it. But that tablet screen in the Acura tho smh... doesn't belong in an Acura or any luxury brand how it sticks up off the dash all the way makes the interior look so cheap IMO just like every other economy car. Also all of the "tech" you mentioned (which majority of manual car drivers don't want) is available in pretty much every new car these days except for maybe the really nice the stereo system you have. In closing I am very happy the ITS exists and I would happily buy it or the Type R in the 40k range but I think anything above 45k for this is a ripoff since you are mostly paying a premium price tag due to it being a performance car first and foremost! One of few using Hondas current flagship drivetrain.
About the rear seat , if you were sitting in luxury , you wouldn’t want to be cramped with 3 people in the back . Acura is Honda’s luxury .
Ah yes, the luxury of no air vents.
I came from a 21 FK8 to my DE5, I think the FK8 was softer in comfort mode. No homelink on a 52k car, I got mine at MSRP
Honda is getting rid of homelink on the new Integra and Accord too for some reason. I never use it but its still dumb nonetheless
Yes, everything looks hogh quality and nice then they put an IPad as infotainment system. They should of built within dash. Will never get use to that trend. In all fairness Honda/Acura are not the only guilty ones. Other than that really like the car.
The seat doesn’t hold you in cause you don’t have size. I’m 220lbs and it fits me like a glove. You spend alot of time whining about things you clearly don’t need. One, is anyone other than driving the car besides you? If not then memory setting is pointless. Two who gives a damn about the back seat, do you actually use them? These complaints are extremely nit-picky. And you are correct on the pricing coming down since I am seeing alot showing up on the market with 500-1500 miles.
its a nice enthusiast's car, no doubt about that. But $51k is STEEP for what it is. Heck even if you're loyal to Honda, there's the TLX Type S for only 5 grand more and its a HUGELY more refined daily in powertrain, NVH, and ride quality. Makes for a much better daily. Spending $51k on a track toy, I'd go for a Camaro SS 1LE, or Mach 1. If you're go the Camaro route and you're a track rat, its actually better to skip the 1LE package and spend that 7 grand on wheels, tires, pads, headers, intake mani, sway bars. It'll be faster than a 1LE around the track despite what the magazine racers say. For a single car weekend HPDE and daily, I'd probably go with a CT5V for $51k msrp. The ride/handling tradeoff in that car is sublime.
Yeah but Camaros are for low IQ meatheads
Perforated alcantara drives me nuts. Like c’mon you were so close to luxury and then you made it look cheap af
The entire rear seat area looks cheap like it's from a Yugo. Missing rear A/C vent and armrest. On a $50K+ luxury performance car? Also, it needs to have a sunroof. I don't know why anyone would pay more than $35K for this car? I'd pick the M2
Sounds like you bought the wrong car bud. You should have bought the R.
It’s not worth 53k I would wait for 2025 model and see if they fix these issues
Talk to me when you are a father and tell me the interior is worth 51k with no rear HVAC vents and charging ports. 😂. You can tag the Type R and GR Corolla on that too. Otherwise I can agree.
I'm a pawther and my dogter doesn't mind the lack of rear HVAC and charging points. Does that count?
I have never in my life owned a car with rear HVAC and charging ports so I'm sure I wouldn't miss them. But I've also never bought a new car with a MSRP over $25,000 so that might help explain it.
With 50k I would look at something else. Just saying.
Nah, I'll keep my 8th gen Civic Si with Real V-tech:)
That 3 year olds i-pad on the dash alone is atrocious.
All the tech is not needed.
Follow the car in front?
Seriously?!
Lmao 😂
Still an over priced civic lol
Did you watch the video? It’s fairly priced for all that you get over a Civic, which is itself not so cheap anymore. An Si is basically $30k now, and this is so much more than even that.