@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Just beacuse Pixar works under Disney dosent mean their one in the same. Its like saying since Marvel movies are owned by Disney its also worked on by Pixar.
@@stowlicters8362rich people rarely act like compassionate humans or humans who can change the world, the fact that they can is usually oblivious to them.
lots of caucasian people have this kind of mentality.especially on trumps sides.lazy people who doesn't want to do any hard work but still complain about getting replaced by more skilled workers.
Nowadays acting like a good person is better than being a good person, if your a actually good person you wouldn’t tell people about it and need constant validation
@@Azurethewolf168 Being a good person takes effort. If you can get the dopamine of a good person without the effort, it would almost seem foolish to actually put in the energy to be a one. To these narcissists, genuine people are as fake as could be, as they choose to take the less efficient route to what they falsely perceive as the same reward. They have inoculated themselves from ever knowing what that feeling even is.
Also ummm "water girls" going out w/ ummm "fire guys" because society says it is moral and cool... eventhough the fire guy will at best leave the water girl with a bastard fatherless kid At worst, killed
It's becoming increasingly difficult to act the adult in this ever growing society of elderly toddlers. They want to promote explosive anger because they are terrified of all the people who know how to focus their anger like welding torches.
One not clearly visible outcome of anger issue is that you can't get better things in life if you can't control your emotions. You will f up your good relationships, you will not be able to take more responsible jobs where you would be required to deal with difficult people. This is a crucial problem for growing people, and what does D do? They say it is ok, it is a strength not a weakness. We live in amazing time where all the worst of humanity is pout on a pedestal like a trophy. Then people are invited to celebrate human shittiness and instead of working on your problems to become a better human being. Disney is evil. They are not far away to do the last thing, announce that good is evil and evil is good. And knowing how many perverts there are in their circles, I do not doubt a lot of them would.
I understand why some guys do it. White women and Afro American women are the most difficult women to date and endure thus hundreds of thousands of White and Afro American men are flooding into Asia. But the kids they make will obviously have issues plus this dating mass migration isn’t fair of the native Asian male populations that now has to compete with men from all over.
I heard Tim Allen actually REFUSED to be in Lightyear because he read the script, and straight away phoned his agent and said "I'm not reading this shit!" EDIT: As a few have misinterpreted what I wrote, he refused to read the script and say it as Buzz Lightyear as it was crap.
You know, your initial complaining about this fits my impressions of the very first trailer Portraying an immigrant minority as *literally being the most destructive and dangerous force in the world* seems like something a hardcore racist would do. Another example of horse shoe theory being real, I guess.
It really hurts to see how terribly animation is being treated. Infinite possibilities and yet talentless hacks with no imagination keep getting hired. At least Puss in Boots the last wish was great.
A simple suggestion: We want to make him a brave guy. Disney: Is that MASCULINITY?! YOU'RE FIRED, sexist pig! A simple suggestion: This is why I work for Sony.😑😑
What would the baby be like, a half water half fire stillborn or just a steam cloud that's constantly screaming in agony as it endlessly consumes itself?
Peter Sohn, the _Korean_ film director behind this movie, said that if they ever had a baby, it be made out of steam. So like Air. Smoky air. At the end, their hypothetical baby was actually supposed to make an appearance, but their baby was cut because it might have been too much. Like the rest of this movie wasn’t too much already.
Making the father racist was the true cherry on top. A story of how fire isnt welcome because everyone is racist just for the fire to be racist themselves. Additionally the writers idea that the fires little neighborhood is a ghetto and not a normal society js racist isnt it? They act like the "fire" people would not be able to create a respectable community between themselves without the other "elements" helping out. That seems incredibly racist to me idk
Not only that, but their "racism is bad" angle goes out of the window with this poor allegory because the fire elements are indeed a danger to the other elements, therefore their fear for the fire girl is based on reality, because she can literally kill everything by just being there.
@SammEater yea that i found stupid as well. Not liking fire people or at least avoiding them seems absolutely reasonsble if they can kill you at any point even on accident or burn down your house. Thats like saying its racist to avoid predators like bears or poisonous animals
@@geox8485considering that you are so keen on defending this movie, I have a bomb for you, Since "elements cannot mix" how do cloud people exist? It's basic science to know that clouds are made from water particles Tbh for me the idea of creating a world of sentient elements is a hella cool premise, but making it out to be a love story sided with a racism allegory is wasting that premise
@@darialomurno05 Well they look like clouds and they seem as if they’re just clouds but in the movie they’re actually just called air and that’s what they are air. They’re not the actual clouds themselves and yeah when you think about it then it starts to sound a little confusing but again it’s a kids movie and it isn’t even relevant to the plot. They’re air not clouds. The racism allegory still works in this movie. As we see in the end the different elements can’t actually hurt eachother atleast not on a serious level so at that point all the fear and prejudice and racism or whatever all comes from nothing except the fire people speaking a different language and doing things differently. But even then I feel like racism isn’t even a big part of the movie. At the end the movie focuses more on romance and I guess emotions. This is probably Pixar’s most romantic movie and my favourite scenes is when the Ember and Wade just spend time together since they genuinely work together and seem real.
2:46 my question in this scene was, if glass can only be made by fire and sand (as we're shown in the movie) and no fire people were in Element City beforehand (as we can see with Ember's dad and mom arriving there), then how did they make the glass buildings? I don't remember the movie ever explaining that, much like not exploring the fact that that's how fire could be incorporated in Element City
The world-building in this movie makes so little sense. Like when Wade is eating the food of the Fire-people, it’s too hot for him to handle. So he pours a little bit of himself in a mug to water down the heat of the food.
the worldbuilding in this movie is basically nonexistent. Peter Sohn wanted only to talk about his korean family's quandaries in NY, simple as that. He never wrote this movie with the idea of crafting a whole world, just sell out the cheapest romcom. And to say it would've taken so little: 1) make the fire people live in the glass ghetto, apparently beautiful but fragile in its core. 2) Wade and the warer people taking a 'protection' to become temporarily ice and stay with Ember for a few precious moments without nothing more than a minor melt. 3) INTERNET! By the ancient gods' sake! how can a movie be so CHILDISH as to present E&W as the ONLY mixed couple in the whole Element City?!?!? Even without internet and the possibility to meet other couples online, at least write a scene where E&W go to the library and learn that yes, other mixed couple existed! Dear LORD, this movie is 'the racism explained to my son', Teletubby-level! 4) Air, the greatest lost occasion: since little children cannot understand the idea of air being impalpable and invisible, you can only show them clouds and tell them "See? AIR!" Peter Sohn needed a co-writer, an expert one...
@@Crusader316 Even better. thei are small happy gales until they lose their temper and become ugly, destructive thing. The story could've gone with an air element enamored of Ember but, seeing her going toward a water (the shame!) he builds up is rage and in the end threates to absorb the whole fire people community and become a firenado! Ember seeing herself in that element's uncontrolled rage, works with the water people to stop the firenado and then realizes she can keep Wade around as her other, calming half...
Remember when Pixar movies were fun and wholesome? Remember Woody and Buzz (the original), Flik, The Incredibles, Wall E and all those other fun characters? Good times 😢
A stronk female character that is already perfect? No way! A weak, pathetic male character that is good for nothing? No way! The whole movie is an allegory for critical race theory? No way! Who would've expected that?
Except Wade isn’t weak and leads the relationship multiple times and even calls her out when she turns on him calling her afraid and weak. And she is nowhere near perfect at all lmao and she shows she needs him multiple times because otherwise she explodes with anger… that was literally apart of the plot…
Exactly, these criticisms of Ember being perfect and Wade being weak are simply not true. Wade proves himself to be quite useful and is willing to confront Ember about her issues. It’s a toxic view in itself to say that men are weak losers because they show emotion. Wade demonstrated nicely that being sensitive and caring doesn’t mean you can’t also have strength and bravery
@@Showman_87 Thank you. In my opinion Wade is even stronger and braver than Ember as like he says for most of the movie she hides behind anger and it too scared to say what she wants to say whereas he’s confident to do whatever he wants. And again the whole criticism of saying Ember doesn’t need anybody just isn’t true as she clearly needs Wade and he clearly needs her.
@@geox8485that’s not my biggest problem with the movie and people saying it’s the worst things this year or just assuming it’s bad after things like light year aired and instant assume it’s woke (which has lost it meaning from how many times), people can be in different sue terms and families can form in many different ways. So in short there’s bigger fish to fry.
The movie was just a love story not a Romeo and Juliet type of one. In fact the father in that movie was the only one against it and he didn’t even find out until the third act.
“That’s right LittLe Timmy! When your pos dad loses his mind cos of something inane and curses you out and breaks shit, it’s your job to figure out the “real” thing he’s trying to say! Isn’t that magical Timmy? Why are you crying Timmy? Timmy?”
True. It is not the early 2000s anymore, CG is no longer impressive, no matter how much Pixar makes those crappy tech demo videos showing a billion polligons on someone's mustache, it is all for nothing with a crappy movie like Elemental. 2D hand draw animation still is the superior form.
We need a balance in the animation industry. 2D and Stop-Motion movies should be made more often and that’s coming from someone that adores 3D animation. That’s why i love Spider-Verse, Puss in Boots 2, Arcane, Klaus and The Bad Guys. They use the best of both worlds (2D and 3D) and proves why 2D should come back alongside with 3D. But at the same time, bringing back 2D won’t matter if the story is not good, because my biggest fear is that the big next 2D movie flops because of bad storytelling.
Well, atleast Ember is more likeable than Rey from Star Wars, and Helena Shaw from that Indie 5 movie, also, Ember being this emotionally angry is kinda part of her personality as a Fire People, so yeah, she is not a Mary Sue, but still, she is not my favorite female character as that title goes to whatever iconic female character before mid 2010s, though atleast she is better than Rey though
@@geox8485 when I watch it, Ember doesn't seem to have any form of similarities with those perfect female characters like Rey, and Wade being crying kinda make sense for him being a water guy
@@curious5887 Yeah I don’t even know what the guys on about, Firstly a dumb sentimental guy paired with a more serious women has been a thing since the Simpsons and you could probably go back even further and isn’t even really a bad thing on its own. Secondly, Wade never relies on Ember and really he takes control of the relationship multiple times pushing her to do what she wants and follow her dreams and even calls her out and calls her afraid when she turns on him. And like you say Ember isn’t portrayed as “perfect” at all neither is she portrayed as someone who doesn’t need a man. Actually it would be the opposite since in the beginning she has anger issues and explodes with anger but after her date with Wade there’s literally a scene of her getting angry again before thinking about him and calming down. The movie shows both people need eachother and help eachother it’s nothing like how this guy portrays it to be.
There are many reasons why I don't like this movie: - First of all, the racism allegory doesn't work. Usually when people say ''You don't mix.'' they mean that because of your different personalities, cultures, political views, religions, etc., you won't make a good couple because you'll argue all the time. It would've been much more interesting if they tackled those topics. Maybe they would come to the conclusion they are good people but too different to make it work. - The whole world-building doesn't work. Remember how in Zootopia the city was built to accommodate all animals and their needs? Well, in Element City there's a water rail tracks that spill water just over Fire Town. Why? The explanation is supposed to be that because Water people were first and Fire people were last the city isn't for the latter. But most Elements aren't shown being mean to each other on purpose. Why would the city build it like that? Why would the Fire people move to a place that is so dangerous for them? If Water people founded Element City it means they created it with the idea in mind to bring other elements together, so why would they be so careless with the city design? They even lampshade the problem with Wade asking ''Why do they even have these?'' in regards to fences that are unable to stop 3 out of 4 Elemental races. - The whole elements can not mix mantra doesn't work because all other elements mix just fine. The fire is the odd one out. Also, Ember says ''Elements don't mix.'' to a CHILD who is asking her out. Really? Don't you think that the fact that he's a kid and you're an adult is more important? - The whole subplot with finding the leak is so stupid and contrived. Let the one guy and an unauthorized random person just look for it. And, when they eventually find it the idea that it wasn't noticed before is pure nonsense. - The whole movie tries way too hard to make you cry. Especially the crying game and Wade's death fake-out. - ''We changed each other chemistry.'' Except throughout the whole movie before and after Ember is constantly touching things that should catch fire but don't. Unless he means they can only touch each other through the power of love which is the laziest and cheesiest explanation ever but really? They're the first fire and water couple ever, or at least the ones who figured out they could touch each other with no problem. - Also, I hate Wade. Can movies stop showing that being in tune with your emotions means that you're an emotional wreck who makes emotional decisions without thinking about consequences and showing them as a good thing? So many of the movie's conflicts would've been over if Wade would just shut the fuck up and thought before making a scene that makes Ember angry.
I just love how disney predicted the failure of this film. It shined through from the flat marketing to the plans to take it out of cinemas after weeks of viewing.
@@NPC-gl8xp yo g-dawg, you iz right. They would never make an movie like the incredibles that shows a white family in a positive light again. (in the sequel the dad was a fuk up, the daughter was an ahole.)
Imagine you live in a city with a community that only causes trouble, and you can't say anything about it for fear of being reprimanded by people blind to the obvious social problems... Wouldn't that be a sight...
The fire community didn’t cause any trouble tho and the movie didn’t even focus on any social problems just personal problems between the main characters. They don’t try to solve racism in the movie they just solve their own problems. And there’s no one trying to reprimand the fire people
Wait, so... what happened to the Bodega? The father is too old to run the store, and Ember doesn't want it anymore. Maybe turning the gas on isn't a bad idea...
Correction: Turning Red was first, released on Disney Plus. Then Lightyear, and then Strange World, which was made in house by Walt Disney Animation Studios.
@@silashurd3597 it isn’t the same people in charge of every decision made. Not hiring him probably wasn’t a demand from super high up, just some of the people in charge of casting were a little too woke, and the ones for that show aren’t.
One detail among this pile of garbage: Wade happily walking among a thick crowd of supposedly distrustful if not openly hostile to water people. I mean, man, the raw heat generated by that crowd shoiuld make him evaporate before he even reached the stage!
The whole anger thing seems less like the writers trying to make anger ok, but the reason FOR anger being ok, much like inside out explaining why Sadness is important in telling you what you need. It could’ve been explained better.
I'm glad I follow so many reviewers on TH-cam. You and others have saved me so much from seeing too many sub-part or downright garbage movies. Truly, I thank you!
@@Showman_87Yeah, from the trailers and reviews I thought Elemental was going to be bad but after watching it for yourself you realise it’s actually a quality movie.
@@geox8485 Yes it was very surprising, the trailers didn't grab me either but I'm glad I gave it a chance. It had pretty much everything I want in a Disney/Pixar movie :D
I suggest watching the movie yourself to form your own opinions, rather than just blindly following others and blindly repeating their opinions as if they were your own.
Yeah there was so much plot holes that writers left lol. I was wondering why the city was built by glass when fire elementals are the only ones who can make glass lol. Also Wade was really annoying charactar that pissed me off and i didn't like the fact that he was such a loser that always cries
As a Deadpool fan, I am appalled that he has the same name. The editor in my head has been stitching in Wade Wilson to preserve my sanity. The explosions make much more sense, there is less crying, and every time the 'woe is me' starts, someone gets slapped in the face.
I was also wondering: given that Wade could recover from complete evaporation, exactly HOW THE HECK does an elemental die?? They have no organs, nothing that can get old, and they can recover from dispersion (see the scene of Ember's father with the cloud). So...what's the point of Wade cheering for the athlete in the stadium "Oh, he lost a parent, let's root guys!", if water can't die at all?
It just seems that none of the elements can kill eachother. I can’t imagine Water, Earth or Air being able to kill eachother in the first place and with Fire they were new to the town and everyone already decided to not mix the elements out of fear hence why before Ember and Wade touch they have no idea what will happen but it turns out they don’t kill eachother. I don’t think they can even if they tried.
@@geox8485 It would make sense, I like it... But it would be also totally a fact of life at Element City. If Elements can't possibly destroy each other, then there is no problem with interaction. All the whining of Ember makes no sense altogether -or it would, had SHE lived in an underground shelter or had never set foot in Element City.
@@valeriopastore7310 You forget that Embers parents seem to be the first fire people to move into fire town or even the entire city. And considering the fact that the water people were surprised Ember could speak English it makes sense to believe they are the first ever fire people to enter the city and obviously the other elements wouldn’t know if they were dangerous or not so just decided to not take the risk and not mix. And Ember whines because she doesn’t seem to know either. Ember and Wade seem to be the first Fire and Water people to touch and nothing bad happened so I assume that means all fire people and water people can touch, they just didn’t know beforehand.
@@geox8485 Now THAT would make for an excellent point... But you forgot that by the time the events of the movie are taking place, the fire community is well established, and that obviously took time. The racism factor must then have played a much more severe weight in the movie's background, for fire people being excluded from everyday living to the point of negating any possible kind of contact, be it physical or cultural. So yes, I can accept your reasoning if we were talking about a deeply racist society and a complete cultural and physical segregation of fire people. Not about love, but about truth being hidden in plain sight all this time.
@@valeriopastore7310 Yeah that would make sense. In the movie Ember literally says she had never left fire town and her first time ever leaving was when she met Wade and chased after him. If Ember never left fire town and spent her entire life there up until that point it’s safe to assume so did every other fire person hence why no Fire or Water person had touched before. And yeah the society is definitely racist and segregated. As we see with the movie when Ember and her father wanted to see the flower fire people were not allowed inside so it’s also safe to assume fire people are restricted from visiting a lot of places in the city. Which is probably what would make them want to stay in fire town even more.
Zootopia did basically the same concept, but there was an actual PLOT moving the ACTION. And it wasn't that on the nose, you could take it however you want, there's no human parallels like here.
I think that Elemental could work as a movie or at least a short movie because this movie had such untapped potential. If I am going to write the movie, I would made this story about the immigration of the fire people to element city, and I would made the main characters both of Ember's parents and their struggles of trying survive in the big city, and I make them less then they were in the movie and they kinda understand of why the elements act somewhat prejudice towards them and to the other fire people, at the end both Ronnie and Shila managed help both them and the fire community to find jobs and they finally managed to fit with the other elements by becoming glassmiths or sustaining the energy and fire people can be friends with the other elements and could a flash forward of both Ronnie and Shila living happily in their young Ember as a kid and they are happy to see their daughter who just made friends with a young and shy Wade.
Also, notice how at the end, instead of getting married, they just go travelling the world? Just like the little mermaid remake. "Coincidence? I think not."
It's funny, but Elemental's story probably would have been done better as a live action movie, perhaps a period piece set in 1920's New York. The animation is great, but the city was a nightmare. The fire people are dangerous? The city looks to be made to kill the fire people. From trains drenching the sidewalk as they travel to the overflow sewers funneling right into the fire ghetto. And Wade's Mom designed it that way... Marketing dropped the ball. I watched the sneak peak trailer with Ember on the train. It felt like it was made for a different movie.
It was never a Romeo and Juliet story to begin with, since when the hell did Ember’s and Wade’s family have a generation long feud? Other citizens of Element City are just rude to the Fire People because of how hazardous they are.
Angry british man, can you please reap apart Turning Red in your video, please? I have my personal vendeta on this piece of pedobear media, so I would love to see how you bring this abomination crumbling to the ground.
Tbh Ember is not portrayed as perfect at all. She's completely detached from her own feelings and wishes and doesn't even consider herself important enough to have her own dreams. She puts her father and his shop before anything else and therefore neglecting herself. Her anger issues are not portrayed as a good thing either. Her anger issues originated from her bottled up repressed feelings regarding her future. So no, she is definitely NOT portrayed as perfect. Wade is way too sentimental to the point where is pretty annoying, but he isn't weak either. He's the only one who confronts Ember and her temper and challenges Ember's status quo. Yeah, he's portrayed as overly sentimental, but it seems like all water people are like that. Saying that Wade is "weak" and "pathetic" because he cries a lot is part of the reason why animation studios are portraying male characters as more sensitive to begin with, because that's a really toxic stereotype: men can be sensible and that doesnt mean they are weak or pathetic. I don't have a problem with the love story, to me, the main issue is that the movie doesn't provide a single good reason for the elements to not be segregated. Fire people are constantly on the edge of dying or setting everything on fire, evaporating water people or burning earth people. The analogy doesnt work at all. That's honestly my main complain, also, the world building was kinda disappointing. And the plot itself was pretty weak. In other words, it was a cute love story, but the racism analogy didn't work at all and the story felt too simple at times. Wouldn't say it was a disaster, it's way better than Lightyear and Strangeworld. A 7/10 for me, the animation was absolutely gorgeous, and it was the first Pixar movie about an adult romance, which I think it's pretty cool. People are way too harsh on this movie, lol.
To be clear, I hate all of them, and the woke Disney overlords had a hand in all of them as well, but the order was Turning Red, Lightyear, Strange World, and Strange World was Walt Disney Feature Animation, not Pixar.
The morale of the story is that mass immigration has horrific consequences that destroy a nation from within. And these policies are all lobbied by a certain tribe.
So she leaves her aging father and mother to run the business until they can no longer. Letting their livelihood/home close down? Disney really hates the idea of a traditional family dynamic, don’t they?
Didn’t you watch the movie? The whole entire plot was that she would rather focus on bigger jobs and work than just running a shop. There’s nothing wrong with that. Also the shop doesn’t close down the father just employs a random fire guy what do you mean
No she didn't, she decided to chase her own dreams and aspirations and her dad retired, two other fire people of their trust are running the shop at the end. Didn't you watch the movie?
12:30 It would've been better if a heavy storm broke the dam instead. As it was the reason why Ember's parents left their homeland in the first place. Also, seeing Ember looking out at a heavy rain in the night would complement her mood.
Zootopia was the better way to portray race relations. Theres nuance and gray areas and no side is fully right or wrong. Theres even a prey and predator villain. Its a very underrated movie
@@damonlam9145 yeah but no one talks about it! I know it did well but for whatever reason it's not a classic like it should be. I loved how they switched villains mid movie. Probably the last good disney movie that came out. (Including mcu but excluding infinity war and end game and guardians if you count those)
7:12 Same. I want some ruthless editors to come in and keep in check. Even great animes NEEDED editors to give critic and knock down ideas. It’s necessary to get a 3rd opinion or you get creative ideas like “element city”.
I love how this movie, ironically enough, suggests that black people set everything they touch on fire. I thought Disney was against racial stereotypes.
Everything you say in your reviews is saldy and hilariously true. there are far too many movies like this one that both try hard and not hard enough to place a specific message. These talentless directors are tragically deaf and blind to their failures, so they continue on and on... Reaper, I had a hard day of work, but this review gave me a good smile on my face. Keep it up!
@@hunterolaughlin But those films weren't released after each other consecutively. Plus , Coco and Inside out are good but I can think of much better films than them.
Zootopia deals with racism and the story of a female rabbit striving to improve the world. Elemental attempts to be like Zootopia but lacks proper storytelling and character development.
Reaper is what Drinker wishes he was - he got too big and has to justify his views. Reaper can open up a review with 'it's fucking shit', and call a character a cunt. absolute 🔥
I agree with most of this - only issue I have is, you can cry in front of women lol - no one likes emotionally uncontrolled people - so just be emotionally aware but you can indeed cry in front of women and they will still love you if they already do. 😂
Okay, but his point was clearly about how Wade just cries and cries and cries and cries. Male tears are fine, when earned, but this dude is literally a baby.
I really enjoyed seeing you on Open Bar. Hopefully there’s more appearances to come. Drinker is the bomb and Reaper the detonator 😂 the reviews are sound yet quite brutal
You know what I'm always surprised about with sh*t movies in general. Behind the scenes, people who are recording lines, animators, producers, the movie company. All watched this film and thought... wow this is a great movie 😃
That fire is harmful to the other species is also one of the many reasons that Zootopia is a terrible movie (shame it made so much money). Of course the bunny should be afraid of a fox, she's a bunny and he's a fox! Foxes eat rabbits. You can't muddle your metaphors and allegories like that and not expect your message to suffer.
My suggestion for the story would have been that Ember's parents were invited with open arms by naive tree people(Hippie) into their house, since they wanted to be open to all new elements, even ones they didn't know about. Of which the parents happened to start a big fire, which led to the Water people having to put out the fire. with the result that the Tree people became skeptical of the fire people as more and more Fire arose due of the same thing happend over and over. Ending with the creation of the Water Firefighters and the fire people getting there own area to live after a protracted conflict between water,fire and Earth/Tree. Then just sprinkle in the story of doesnt wanna follow in your parents Fotsteps... Which leads us to Wade encountering Ember during a fire, which happened to start due to an accident caused by Ember, Because Ember wanted to create Art to get out frustration after similar debate with her parents about" Follow in your parents' Footsteps"
What would be the point of that? Then the movie actively would be making fire people a issue to live around and would justify them not seeing the flower which is the opposite of what they’re trying to do and would be a horrible message
@@geox8485 To give the other elements a clear reason why they don't want anything to do with the fire people as they have a history around them. But also give the fire people a proper reason why they dont wanna be around the other elements...Aka they tried diversity with zero knowledge about each other Differences. Which would have been better than the story we got..Aka everyone is racist (Especially against the fire people) in a society that advocates diversity.
@@zebare726 Yeah but there’s no valid reason for racism. Giving them a valid reason just kinda messes up the message. I do get what you mean tho, the fact no water or fire people have touched ever until Ember and Wade is weird and from the start the water people seemed too scared of fire
@@zebare726 But that’s kinda how racism works in the real word. There’s no real reason for being racist beside just not liking them for looking and acting different
This story is first draft material compared to early Pixar I can see something here but in the end, all the creativity and charm is ruined by it being overshadowed by the same tireless minds that work in these films Wall e was both a romance and environment all film but the charm and story and creativity was given priority
i'm going to be honest i really liked this film ...... but i 100% agree with you ...the plot points just fizzle out (pun intended) , it was so annoying and once again woman perfect man useless .....it could have been so much better ....and now that you've mentioned the glass blowing thing .... why the hell didn't the fire people have anything else they could do in element city ....its not like fire is useless ... there should have been fire people all over the place love the vids ...i subscribed on the nocturn vid please keep up the good work
A small correction:
Strange World was a failure but it wasn't made by Pixar, it was made in house by Walt Disney Animation Studios.
same shit, different smell...
doesnt disney own pixar?
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805yes
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Just beacuse Pixar works under Disney dosent mean their one in the same. Its like saying since Marvel movies are owned by Disney its also worked on by Pixar.
Somehow that's even worse to hear.
"Being a victim is more important than working hard and trying to earn a good life."
You have just described a scary amount of people nowadays.
most people are victims, and it's hard to make anything with your life unless you're rich
@@stowlicters8362 victims of what? You made a very broad statement.
@@PeterGriffin11victims of stupidity
@@stowlicters8362rich people rarely act like compassionate humans or humans who can change the world, the fact that they can is usually oblivious to them.
lots of caucasian people have this kind of mentality.especially on trumps sides.lazy people who doesn't want to do any hard work but still complain about getting replaced by more skilled workers.
“She is already amazing and perfect at everything she does”
Huh where have we heard that before 🤔
Every other movie eve r
Uh, Uh, Uh, I know, let me think sooooo hard.... KK and her custom-made clone, horse-face
Now I want an A+, please:)
I bet a lot of the anti-woke circle jerk wouldn't have a problem if the genders were reversed
Every movie since Force Awakens.
Wow, that's really... Really boring.🙁
This movie unintentionally describes society perfectly. Bunch of crappy people pretending to be good people.
Nowadays acting like a good person is better than being a good person, if your a actually good person you wouldn’t tell people about it and need constant validation
@@Azurethewolf168 Being a good person takes effort. If you can get the dopamine of a good person without the effort, it would almost seem foolish to actually put in the energy to be a one. To these narcissists, genuine people are as fake as could be, as they choose to take the less efficient route to what they falsely perceive as the same reward. They have inoculated themselves from ever knowing what that feeling even is.
@@Azurethewolf168and people will take advantage.
Also ummm "water girls" going out w/ ummm "fire guys" because society says it is moral and cool... eventhough the fire guy will at best leave the water girl with a bastard fatherless kid
At worst, killed
@@thegadflygang5381 and also water girls only want the 1% of fire guys, the rest are not even given a chance
Can Disney make anything and i mean ANYTHING that doesnt remind us of any kind of racism?
It’s part of their agenda, so that’s sadly a no.
It's not made by Disney 😂
@@josephsalmonte4995Disney owns Pixar
@@josephsalmonte4995Retard alert
Not anymore. The other question have they lost any ability to make a good movie.
It’s bloody hilarious that they really said having explosive anger issues is a good thing.
It's becoming increasingly difficult to act the adult in this ever growing society of elderly toddlers. They want to promote explosive anger because they are terrified of all the people who know how to focus their anger like welding torches.
A society filled with "adults" that think they are Peter Pan.
Imagine if it was a man who had explosive anger issues 😅 . That definitely wouldn't be considered a good thing .
Hello i am going to cause a forest fire, because someone made me mad, by calling me an idiot.
One not clearly visible outcome of anger issue is that you can't get better things in life if you can't control your emotions. You will f up your good relationships, you will not be able to take more responsible jobs where you would be required to deal with difficult people.
This is a crucial problem for growing people, and what does D do? They say it is ok, it is a strength not a weakness.
We live in amazing time where all the worst of humanity is pout on a pedestal like a trophy. Then people are invited to celebrate human shittiness and instead of working on your problems to become a better human being.
Disney is evil. They are not far away to do the last thing, announce that good is evil and evil is good.
And knowing how many perverts there are in their circles, I do not doubt a lot of them would.
Why Pixar has decided to throw its brain out, we may never know.
Throw*
@@josephsalmonte4995ouch 😅
ESG I would imagine
@@josephsalmonte4995 typo 💀
They were purchased by the evil mouse, so, on a regular basis, they get dragged into their glittery castle basement and done unspeakable things to
Moral of the ad campaign:
Don't mix races 🤷🏾♂️
Miscegenation should carry jail time.
@@Kousaburo
Jails need maintenance...
Public hanging is cheaper.
I understand why some guys do it. White women and Afro American women are the most difficult women to date and endure thus hundreds of thousands of White and Afro American men are flooding into Asia.
But the kids they make will obviously have issues plus this dating mass migration isn’t fair of the native Asian male populations that now has to compete with men from all over.
@@HankWilliams-kp3ioAsian men are into Latina girls though.
@@rahiemturner9504and Latino women are into whites and African Americans
I heard Tim Allen actually REFUSED to be in Lightyear because he read the script, and straight away phoned his agent and said "I'm not reading this shit!"
EDIT: As a few have misinterpreted what I wrote, he refused to read the script and say it as Buzz Lightyear as it was crap.
Good for him.
or like the sexual harassment allegations
He actually said that?
@@liamphibia yep he took the time to call his agent just to tell him he won't be reading the script instead of just not reading it
You know, your initial complaining about this fits my impressions of the very first trailer
Portraying an immigrant minority as *literally being the most destructive and dangerous force in the world* seems like something a hardcore racist would do. Another example of horse shoe theory being real, I guess.
Yeah, really makes their message weak when the fire element are an actual danger to the rest of the elements. Lol
And then they call US bigots. Lol
it actually is also they aren't a minority anymore in places like London wyites are only 30% of the population
“Portraying an immigrant minority as literally being the most destructive and dangerous force in the world”
“Well you see, that’s just not true”
@@Steven9567 because they care more about making a bigger gang, than producing a nice family
@@Steven9567 also most got the fuck out of dodge
It really hurts to see how terribly animation is being treated. Infinite possibilities and yet talentless hacks with no imagination keep getting hired. At least Puss in Boots the last wish was great.
Hi toast
@@crow8737 Ah a man of culture. Hello there.
@@Trash_Cat21 I’m so glad you understood that.
General Kenobi.
last wish was a masterpiece omg
@@aurawolf664 It was phenomenal with its attention to detail. Certain parts of the movie do seem to be anime inspired in terms of fight scenes.
A simple suggestion: We want to make him a brave guy.
Disney: Is that MASCULINITY?! YOU'RE FIRED, sexist pig!
A simple suggestion: This is why I work for Sony.😑😑
No! No! Hear me out! It isn't masculinity!
It's a man that identifies as a strong female character!
That totally legitimizes it!
@@Phantom86d Good one! XDXD
Thanks to Sony Pictures Animation, we got Spider-Verse 👍
What would the baby be like, a half water half fire stillborn or just a steam cloud that's constantly screaming in agony as it endlessly consumes itself?
How the hell do they even fuck!?
Peter Sohn, the _Korean_ film director behind this movie, said that if they ever had a baby, it be made out of steam. So like Air. Smoky air. At the end, their hypothetical baby was actually supposed to make an appearance, but their baby was cut because it might have been too much. Like the rest of this movie wasn’t too much already.
They would have such an inferiority complex they would regularly riot and burn down buildings.
Underwater vulcanism bitch!
I would say obsidian but Ember isn't lava lol
The "Women, know your limits" clip cracked me up 😂
Saying anything like that nowadays would get you canceled
@@Azurethewolf168props to the writers for having balls
@@eeg-rh7jv who? Reaper or the creators of the movie?
@@Azurethewolf168 saying sexist stuff gets people to not like you? i mean.. yeah?
Making the father racist was the true cherry on top. A story of how fire isnt welcome because everyone is racist just for the fire to be racist themselves.
Additionally the writers idea that the fires little neighborhood is a ghetto and not a normal society js racist isnt it? They act like the "fire" people would not be able to create a respectable community between themselves without the other "elements" helping out. That seems incredibly racist to me idk
Not only that, but their "racism is bad" angle goes out of the window with this poor allegory because the fire elements are indeed a danger to the other elements, therefore their fear for the fire girl is based on reality, because she can literally kill everything by just being there.
@SammEater yea that i found stupid as well. Not liking fire people or at least avoiding them seems absolutely reasonsble if they can kill you at any point even on accident or burn down your house. Thats like saying its racist to avoid predators like bears or poisonous animals
@@geox8485considering that you are so keen on defending this movie, I have a bomb for you,
Since "elements cannot mix" how do cloud people exist? It's basic science to know that clouds are made from water particles
Tbh for me the idea of creating a world of sentient elements is a hella cool premise, but making it out to be a love story sided with a racism allegory is wasting that premise
@@darialomurno05 Well they look like clouds and they seem as if they’re just clouds but in the movie they’re actually just called air and that’s what they are air. They’re not the actual clouds themselves and yeah when you think about it then it starts to sound a little confusing but again it’s a kids movie and it isn’t even relevant to the plot. They’re air not clouds.
The racism allegory still works in this movie. As we see in the end the different elements can’t actually hurt eachother atleast not on a serious level so at that point all the fear and prejudice and racism or whatever all comes from nothing except the fire people speaking a different language and doing things differently. But even then I feel like racism isn’t even a big part of the movie. At the end the movie focuses more on romance and I guess emotions. This is probably Pixar’s most romantic movie and my favourite scenes is when the Ember and Wade just spend time together since they genuinely work together and seem real.
@@darialomurno05 Also elements can mix. That was like the main climax and plot point of the movie.
Pixar did not create Strange World, that was Disney Animations. Still under the umbrella of failure
2:46 my question in this scene was, if glass can only be made by fire and sand (as we're shown in the movie) and no fire people were in Element City beforehand (as we can see with Ember's dad and mom arriving there), then how did they make the glass buildings? I don't remember the movie ever explaining that, much like not exploring the fact that that's how fire could be incorporated in Element City
The world-building in this movie makes so little sense. Like when Wade is eating the food of the Fire-people, it’s too hot for him to handle. So he pours a little bit of himself in a mug to water down the heat of the food.
@@daringpyrritator7163you really have to turn ur brain off for this one huh....
the worldbuilding in this movie is basically nonexistent. Peter Sohn wanted only to talk about his korean family's quandaries in NY, simple as that. He never wrote this movie with the idea of crafting a whole world, just sell out the cheapest romcom.
And to say it would've taken so little:
1) make the fire people live in the glass ghetto, apparently beautiful but fragile in its core.
2) Wade and the warer people taking a 'protection' to become temporarily ice and stay with Ember for a few precious moments without nothing more than a minor melt.
3) INTERNET! By the ancient gods' sake! how can a movie be so CHILDISH as to present E&W as the ONLY mixed couple in the whole Element City?!?!? Even without internet and the possibility to meet other couples online, at least write a scene where E&W go to the library and learn that yes, other mixed couple existed!
Dear LORD, this movie is 'the racism explained to my son', Teletubby-level!
4) Air, the greatest lost occasion: since little children cannot understand the idea of air being impalpable and invisible, you can only show them clouds and tell them "See? AIR!"
Peter Sohn needed a co-writer, an expert one...
@@valeriopastore7310 could also do air by mini tornados but ig that requires thinking
@@Crusader316 Even better. thei are small happy gales until they lose their temper and become ugly, destructive thing. The story could've gone with an air element enamored of Ember but, seeing her going toward a water (the shame!) he builds up is rage and in the end threates to absorb the whole fire people community and become a firenado! Ember seeing herself in that element's uncontrolled rage, works with the water people to stop the firenado and then realizes she can keep Wade around as her other, calming half...
Remember when Pixar movies were fun and wholesome? Remember Woody and Buzz (the original), Flik, The Incredibles, Wall E and all those other fun characters?
Good times 😢
@bluespirit5112 those were the days
Wall E i need to re-watch that movie actually they could have just made a copy that in elemental
The Incredibles, Ratatoullie, Cars 1, Monsters Inc. and Wall-E are my favorite ones 👍
A stronk female character that is already perfect? No way! A weak, pathetic male character that is good for nothing? No way! The whole movie is an allegory for critical race theory? No way! Who would've expected that?
Except Wade isn’t weak and leads the relationship multiple times and even calls her out when she turns on him calling her afraid and weak. And she is nowhere near perfect at all lmao and she shows she needs him multiple times because otherwise she explodes with anger… that was literally apart of the plot…
CRT is nonsense, its just antiWhite, stop lying
Exactly, these criticisms of Ember being perfect and Wade being weak are simply not true. Wade proves himself to be quite useful and is willing to confront Ember about her issues. It’s a toxic view in itself to say that men are weak losers because they show emotion. Wade demonstrated nicely that being sensitive and caring doesn’t mean you can’t also have strength and bravery
@@Showman_87 Thank you. In my opinion Wade is even stronger and braver than Ember as like he says for most of the movie she hides behind anger and it too scared to say what she wants to say whereas he’s confident to do whatever he wants. And again the whole criticism of saying Ember doesn’t need anybody just isn’t true as she clearly needs Wade and he clearly needs her.
@@geox8485that’s not my biggest problem with the movie and people saying it’s the worst things this year or just assuming it’s bad after things like light year aired and instant assume it’s woke (which has lost it meaning from how many times), people can be in different sue terms and families can form in many different ways. So in short there’s bigger fish to fry.
The movie was just a love story not a Romeo and Juliet type of one. In fact the father in that movie was the only one against it and he didn’t even find out until the third act.
“That’s right LittLe Timmy! When your pos dad loses his mind cos of something inane and curses you out and breaks shit, it’s your job to figure out the “real” thing he’s trying to say! Isn’t that magical Timmy? Why are you crying Timmy? Timmy?”
Yeah it’s not like anger is a sudden outburst and people aren’t in their best rational mind during that time
I miss 2D animation. Everything is 3D computer generated.
same, plus animation is more eye catching and always interesting to see what kind of styles those artists come up with
True. It is not the early 2000s anymore, CG is no longer impressive, no matter how much Pixar makes those crappy tech demo videos showing a billion polligons on someone's mustache, it is all for nothing with a crappy movie like Elemental.
2D hand draw animation still is the superior form.
Got to agree after seeing the animation in this film; it's horrible.
We need a balance in the animation industry. 2D and Stop-Motion movies should be made more often and that’s coming from someone that adores 3D animation.
That’s why i love Spider-Verse, Puss in Boots 2, Arcane, Klaus and The Bad Guys. They use the best of both worlds (2D and 3D) and proves why 2D should come back alongside with 3D.
But at the same time, bringing back 2D won’t matter if the story is not good, because my biggest fear is that the big next 2D movie flops because of bad storytelling.
@@onepresence9460spiderverse is disgusting
Fire is actually an important part of the ecosystem. It's needed for some plants to reproduce, and the ashes help other plants grow.
Oh wow, another film that portrayed the man as week, sentimental and dependant of the absolute capable female that no needs anybody... How original.
Well, atleast Ember is more likeable than Rey from Star Wars, and Helena Shaw from that Indie 5 movie, also, Ember being this emotionally angry is kinda part of her personality as a Fire People, so yeah, she is not a Mary Sue, but still, she is not my favorite female character as that title goes to whatever iconic female character before mid 2010s, though atleast she is better than Rey though
That’s not how the movie is like at all
@@geox8485 when I watch it, Ember doesn't seem to have any form of similarities with those perfect female characters like Rey, and Wade being crying kinda make sense for him being a water guy
@@curious5887 Yeah I don’t even know what the guys on about, Firstly a dumb sentimental guy paired with a more serious women has been a thing since the Simpsons and you could probably go back even further and isn’t even really a bad thing on its own.
Secondly, Wade never relies on Ember and really he takes control of the relationship multiple times pushing her to do what she wants and follow her dreams and even calls her out and calls her afraid when she turns on him.
And like you say Ember isn’t portrayed as “perfect” at all neither is she portrayed as someone who doesn’t need a man. Actually it would be the opposite since in the beginning she has anger issues and explodes with anger but after her date with Wade there’s literally a scene of her getting angry again before thinking about him and calming down. The movie shows both people need eachother and help eachother it’s nothing like how this guy portrays it to be.
@@geox8485 true
There are many reasons why I don't like this movie:
- First of all, the racism allegory doesn't work. Usually when people say ''You don't mix.'' they mean that because of your different personalities, cultures, political views, religions, etc., you won't make a good couple because you'll argue all the time. It would've been much more interesting if they tackled those topics. Maybe they would come to the conclusion they are good people but too different to make it work.
- The whole world-building doesn't work. Remember how in Zootopia the city was built to accommodate all animals and their needs? Well, in Element City there's a water rail tracks that spill water just over Fire Town. Why? The explanation is supposed to be that because Water people were first and Fire people were last the city isn't for the latter. But most Elements aren't shown being mean to each other on purpose. Why would the city build it like that? Why would the Fire people move to a place that is so dangerous for them? If Water people founded Element City it means they created it with the idea in mind to bring other elements together, so why would they be so careless with the city design? They even lampshade the problem with Wade asking ''Why do they even have these?'' in regards to fences that are unable to stop 3 out of 4 Elemental races.
- The whole elements can not mix mantra doesn't work because all other elements mix just fine. The fire is the odd one out. Also, Ember says ''Elements don't mix.'' to a CHILD who is asking her out. Really? Don't you think that the fact that he's a kid and you're an adult is more important?
- The whole subplot with finding the leak is so stupid and contrived. Let the one guy and an unauthorized random person just look for it. And, when they eventually find it the idea that it wasn't noticed before is pure nonsense.
- The whole movie tries way too hard to make you cry. Especially the crying game and Wade's death fake-out.
- ''We changed each other chemistry.'' Except throughout the whole movie before and after Ember is constantly touching things that should catch fire but don't. Unless he means they can only touch each other through the power of love which is the laziest and cheesiest explanation ever but really? They're the first fire and water couple ever, or at least the ones who figured out they could touch each other with no problem.
- Also, I hate Wade. Can movies stop showing that being in tune with your emotions means that you're an emotional wreck who makes emotional decisions without thinking about consequences and showing them as a good thing? So many of the movie's conflicts would've been over if Wade would just shut the fuck up and thought before making a scene that makes Ember angry.
I just love how disney predicted the failure of this film. It shined through from the flat marketing to the plans to take it out of cinemas after weeks of viewing.
Anyone else remember when Pixar movies were almost a guaranteed good time?
Damn dawg that was over a decade ago.
I'm still shuddering with fright that the delusional mouse will eventually "Update" THOSE Films
They were my childhood, danmmit😠
Literally over a decade ago. The good Pixar is dead.
@@NPC-gl8xp yo g-dawg, you iz right.
They would never make an movie like the incredibles that shows a white family in a positive light again. (in the sequel the dad was a fuk up, the daughter was an ahole.)
Yeah, it was when lassater was in charge, and the commies defame him and kick him out, co opted Toy Story 4, and started makingbgarbage.
Imagine you live in a city with a community that only causes trouble, and you can't say anything about it for fear of being reprimanded by people blind to the obvious social problems...
Wouldn't that be a sight...
The fire community didn’t cause any trouble tho and the movie didn’t even focus on any social problems just personal problems between the main characters. They don’t try to solve racism in the movie they just solve their own problems. And there’s no one trying to reprimand the fire people
@@geox8485 Fire people commit 50 percent of all elemental crime.
@@chancelewis6674 Hahaha.
Because the government they vote for is inherently corrupt, turns out Marxist ideology, single mothers and emasculation is bad for society.
@@Anoneemus_Noenaymethis muppet is all over this subject defending this failure of a film.
He's working harder than the producers ever did....
Wait, so... what happened to the Bodega? The father is too old to run the store, and Ember doesn't want it anymore. Maybe turning the gas on isn't a bad idea...
They gave ownership to family friends
Disney and Pixar are no longer family-friendly
Yep, they're into raping you now, your eyes, your ears and they're probably just DYING to rip our dicks Off. Splendid.
If something as tame as Elemental isn't family friendly, I'm not sure they have ever been
Correction: Turning Red was first, released on Disney Plus. Then Lightyear, and then Strange World, which was made in house by Walt Disney Animation Studios.
They didn’t bring on Tim Allen because he’s criticized democrats.
You misspelled demon rats. But I get ya!
And he apparently refused to be in Lightyear after he read the script, followed by a phone call to his agent and : "I'm not reading this shit!" lmao
Exactly why they fired Gina Carano because she spoke against Leftist narratives.
Then why did Allen return for the Santa Clause show? Would you like to answer that??
@@silashurd3597 it isn’t the same people in charge of every decision made. Not hiring him probably wasn’t a demand from super high up, just some of the people in charge of casting were a little too woke, and the ones for that show aren’t.
Oh wow, another allegory for racism
Haven't seen that before
The moment this movie was announced, I knew it was going to be a racism allegory. That was 14 months ago, Disney is predictable.
Wall e still rules
Cute endearing and fun plot
One detail among this pile of garbage: Wade happily walking among a thick crowd of supposedly distrustful if not openly hostile to water people. I mean, man, the raw heat generated by that crowd shoiuld make him evaporate before he even reached the stage!
Power of Love or some crap like that. Or power of Bad Writing
13:40
"savagely beat them infront of the other employees for losing you so much money" absolutely the funniest thing iv ever heard hahaha
LMAO
Godda love that dry and sarcastic humor. Unironically it actually is more entertaining than the movie.
Nick and Judy have more chemistry in 5 seconds than these losers in the whole movie.
The whole anger thing seems less like the writers trying to make anger ok, but the reason FOR anger being ok, much like inside out explaining why Sadness is important in telling you what you need. It could’ve been explained better.
Probably was the intention, but it still seems like a weird copout for a character who is otherwise so "stunning and brave."
I'm glad I follow so many reviewers on TH-cam. You and others have saved me so much from seeing too many sub-part or downright garbage movies. Truly, I thank you!
Elemental is actually good though, this review misses a lot of what actually happens in the movie
@@Showman_87Yeah, from the trailers and reviews I thought Elemental was going to be bad but after watching it for yourself you realise it’s actually a quality movie.
@@geox8485 Yes it was very surprising, the trailers didn't grab me either but I'm glad I gave it a chance. It had pretty much everything I want in a Disney/Pixar movie :D
I suggest watching the movie yourself to form your own opinions, rather than just blindly following others and blindly repeating their opinions as if they were your own.
@@AllGarageMusicexactly smh
Really goes to show some metaphors don't really work in certain stories.
That fire broad puts the mental in elemental
A woman is a woman in any form 😂
The rest of the movie puts the L in elemental
@@Azurethewolf168 hehe that was a good one
Yeah there was so much plot holes that writers left lol. I was wondering why the city was built by glass when fire elementals are the only ones who can make glass lol. Also Wade was really annoying charactar that pissed me off and i didn't like the fact that he was such a loser that always cries
As a Deadpool fan, I am appalled that he has the same name. The editor in my head has been stitching in Wade Wilson to preserve my sanity. The explosions make much more sense, there is less crying, and every time the 'woe is me' starts, someone gets slapped in the face.
Because normal fire exist? Other elements can just use normal fire lol fire people aren’t the only source of fire
@@geox8485 So the fire people are useless and deserve to be extinguished.
The image of someone being beaten almost to death to set the standard for the future at Pixar made me laugh way harder than it should've
I was also wondering: given that Wade could recover from complete evaporation, exactly HOW THE HECK does an elemental die?? They have no organs, nothing that can get old, and they can recover from dispersion (see the scene of Ember's father with the cloud).
So...what's the point of Wade cheering for the athlete in the stadium "Oh, he lost a parent, let's root guys!", if water can't die at all?
It just seems that none of the elements can kill eachother. I can’t imagine Water, Earth or Air being able to kill eachother in the first place and with Fire they were new to the town and everyone already decided to not mix the elements out of fear hence why before Ember and Wade touch they have no idea what will happen but it turns out they don’t kill eachother. I don’t think they can even if they tried.
@@geox8485 It would make sense, I like it... But it would be also totally a fact of life at Element City. If Elements can't possibly destroy each other, then there is no problem with interaction. All the whining of Ember makes no sense altogether -or it would, had SHE lived in an underground shelter or had never set foot in Element City.
@@valeriopastore7310 You forget that Embers parents seem to be the first fire people to move into fire town or even the entire city.
And considering the fact that the water people were surprised Ember could speak English it makes sense to believe they are the first ever fire people to enter the city and obviously the other elements wouldn’t know if they were dangerous or not so just decided to not take the risk and not mix.
And Ember whines because she doesn’t seem to know either. Ember and Wade seem to be the first Fire and Water people to touch and nothing bad happened so I assume that means all fire people and water people can touch, they just didn’t know beforehand.
@@geox8485 Now THAT would make for an excellent point... But you forgot that by the time the events of the movie are taking place, the fire community is well established, and that obviously took time.
The racism factor must then have played a much more severe weight in the movie's background, for fire people being excluded from everyday living to the point of negating any possible kind of contact, be it physical or cultural.
So yes, I can accept your reasoning if we were talking about a deeply racist society and a complete cultural and physical segregation of fire people. Not about love, but about truth being hidden in plain sight all this time.
@@valeriopastore7310 Yeah that would make sense. In the movie Ember literally says she had never left fire town and her first time ever leaving was when she met Wade and chased after him. If Ember never left fire town and spent her entire life there up until that point it’s safe to assume so did every other fire person hence why no Fire or Water person had touched before.
And yeah the society is definitely racist and segregated. As we see with the movie when Ember and her father wanted to see the flower fire people were not allowed inside so it’s also safe to assume fire people are restricted from visiting a lot of places in the city. Which is probably what would make them want to stay in fire town even more.
Zootopia did basically the same concept, but there was an actual PLOT moving the ACTION.
And it wasn't that on the nose, you could take it however you want, there's no human parallels like here.
I think that Elemental could work as a movie or at least a short movie because this movie had such untapped potential. If I am going to write the movie, I would made this story about the immigration of the fire people to element city, and I would made the main characters both of Ember's parents and their struggles of trying survive in the big city, and I make them less then they were in the movie and they kinda understand of why the elements act somewhat prejudice towards them and to the other fire people, at the end both Ronnie and Shila managed help both them and the fire community to find jobs and they finally managed to fit with the other elements by becoming glassmiths or sustaining the energy and fire people can be friends with the other elements and could a flash forward of both Ronnie and Shila living happily in their young Ember as a kid and they are happy to see their daughter who just made friends with a young and shy Wade.
Also, notice how at the end, instead of getting married, they just go travelling the world? Just like the little mermaid remake. "Coincidence? I think not."
It's funny, but Elemental's story probably would have been done better as a live action movie, perhaps a period piece set in 1920's New York.
The animation is great, but the city was a nightmare. The fire people are dangerous? The city looks to be made to kill the fire people. From trains drenching the sidewalk as they travel to the overflow sewers funneling right into the fire ghetto. And Wade's Mom designed it that way...
Marketing dropped the ball. I watched the sneak peak trailer with Ember on the train. It felt like it was made for a different movie.
I find it hilarious that this film was expected to be the worst performing Pixar film at the box office, but it ended up making more then The Flash.
It was never a Romeo and Juliet story to begin with, since when the hell did Ember’s and Wade’s family have a generation long feud?
Other citizens of Element City are just rude to the Fire People because of how hazardous they are.
I miss the times when Pixar actually created masterpieces
Angry british man, can you please reap apart Turning Red in your video, please? I have my personal vendeta on this piece of pedobear media, so I would love to see how you bring this abomination crumbling to the ground.
Pixar clearly have gone downhill, anyone remember when their films were actually clever? Yeah good times!
I remember they haven't made anything good in almost a decade
Tbh Ember is not portrayed as perfect at all. She's completely detached from her own feelings and wishes and doesn't even consider herself important enough to have her own dreams. She puts her father and his shop before anything else and therefore neglecting herself. Her anger issues are not portrayed as a good thing either. Her anger issues originated from her bottled up repressed feelings regarding her future. So no, she is definitely NOT portrayed as perfect. Wade is way too sentimental to the point where is pretty annoying, but he isn't weak either. He's the only one who confronts Ember and her temper and challenges Ember's status quo. Yeah, he's portrayed as overly sentimental, but it seems like all water people are like that. Saying that Wade is "weak" and "pathetic" because he cries a lot is part of the reason why animation studios are portraying male characters as more sensitive to begin with, because that's a really toxic stereotype: men can be sensible and that doesnt mean they are weak or pathetic. I don't have a problem with the love story, to me, the main issue is that the movie doesn't provide a single good reason for the elements to not be segregated. Fire people are constantly on the edge of dying or setting everything on fire, evaporating water people or burning earth people. The analogy doesnt work at all. That's honestly my main complain, also, the world building was kinda disappointing. And the plot itself was pretty weak. In other words, it was a cute love story, but the racism analogy didn't work at all and the story felt too simple at times. Wouldn't say it was a disaster, it's way better than Lightyear and Strangeworld. A 7/10 for me, the animation was absolutely gorgeous, and it was the first Pixar movie about an adult romance, which I think it's pretty cool. People are way too harsh on this movie, lol.
“Can you not make something related to racism, FOR 5 MINUTES?!?!?”
To be clear, I hate all of them, and the woke Disney overlords had a hand in all of them as well, but the order was Turning Red, Lightyear, Strange World, and Strange World was Walt Disney Feature Animation, not Pixar.
So…Zootopia but romance, elements instead of animals. But also not nearly as good…pass
The morale of the story is that mass immigration has horrific consequences that destroy a nation from within. And these policies are all lobbied by a certain tribe.
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That sounds like ur personal thing tbh
Take down that comment, that is bankerist!!!
@@geox8485sounds like you know whats going on but pretend not too for personal reasons.
Wow how did I find this channel only *now* ?!! This is the level of quality in honesty, attitude, accent and consequent humour as the Drinker's
So she leaves her aging father and mother to run the business until they can no longer. Letting their livelihood/home close down?
Disney really hates the idea of a traditional family dynamic, don’t they?
Didn’t you watch the movie? The whole entire plot was that she would rather focus on bigger jobs and work than just running a shop. There’s nothing wrong with that. Also the shop doesn’t close down the father just employs a random fire guy what do you mean
@@geox8485 No I watched the video, which is far better. That’s why I’m here you moron. Cope harder.
@@Anoneemus_Noenayme The Writer is a South Korean man Ember is a Women made out of fire?
@@geox8485good lord, how dense are you?
No she didn't, she decided to chase her own dreams and aspirations and her dad retired, two other fire people of their trust are running the shop at the end. Didn't you watch the movie?
They just wanted to steal avatar the last airbender but couldnt so they went for the elements instead😂
Animation giving us endless possibilities yet we have to keep living out real-world issues
12:30 It would've been better if a heavy storm broke the dam instead. As it was the reason why Ember's parents left their homeland in the first place. Also, seeing Ember looking out at a heavy rain in the night would complement her mood.
Didn't a gas company have an ember and blue thing in their ads? Pixar are that bad they're stealing from ads
Oh shit wait i think i remember that
In my country a gas company has a red flame on a blue link
Elemental is basically just Avatar meets Romeo and Juliet meets Racism: The Movie
The pin point when heart break thing happened and the scene of the movie was actually in the tv was genius. Love it.
Wake up babe new Reaper review just dropped
Punisher who you talkin to your family's dead
@@wolfbane7497 No no no no no no no wait wait wait wait WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
Zootopia was the better way to portray race relations. Theres nuance and gray areas and no side is fully right or wrong. Theres even a prey and predator villain. Its a very underrated movie
Zootopia being underrated is an understatement considering it made over a billion dollars at the box office.
@@damonlam9145 yeah but no one talks about it! I know it did well but for whatever reason it's not a classic like it should be. I loved how they switched villains mid movie. Probably the last good disney movie that came out. (Including mcu but excluding infinity war and end game and guardians if you count those)
@@get_lucky6402Still not underrated given it was a literal blockbuster.
7:12 Same. I want some ruthless editors to come in and keep in check. Even great animes NEEDED editors to give critic and knock down ideas. It’s necessary to get a 3rd opinion or you get creative ideas like “element city”.
00:43 Small correction, 'Strange World' is not Pixar.
I love how this movie, ironically enough, suggests that black people set everything they touch on fire. I thought Disney was against racial stereotypes.
Not really, I believe George Lucas referred to Disney as “white slavers.”
Strange World isn't Pixar but Disney. What is the difference?
None. Just the branding.
Everything you say in your reviews is saldy and hilariously true. there are far too many movies like this one that both try hard and not hard enough to place a specific message.
These talentless directors are tragically deaf and blind to their failures, so they continue on and on...
Reaper, I had a hard day of work, but this review gave me a good smile on my face. Keep it up!
After Toy Story 3 , Pixar never had a winning streak.
Inside Out, Coco and Soul beg to differ.
@@hunterolaughlin But those films weren't released after each other consecutively. Plus , Coco and Inside out are good but I can think of much better films than them.
Inside out had way too many plotholes and was a bad movie in many ways
Zootopia deals with racism and the story of a female rabbit striving to improve the world.
Elemental attempts to be like Zootopia but lacks proper storytelling and character development.
Wow. The absolute stupidity of this plot is so much worse than I could have imagined.
shame, since the main girl is so hot
Literally and figuratively
She has those Pixar mom hips. Lol
It all started when the fire nation attacked
They couldn't just make them real people of different race and discuss serious rасist themes could they?
This is so pathetic.
bro.. your reviews are the single greatest thing on this platform.
For sure, Drinker levels of goodness.
@@Thurmanatr16 Nah man. Better than Drinker, better delivery and way, way funnier.
Reaper is what Drinker wishes he was - he got too big and has to justify his views. Reaper can open up a review with 'it's fucking shit', and call a character a cunt. absolute 🔥
She can get him hot
He can’t get her wet
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Steam meme
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I agree with most of this - only issue I have is, you can cry in front of women lol - no one likes emotionally uncontrolled people - so just be emotionally aware but you can indeed cry in front of women and they will still love you if they already do. 😂
Okay, but his point was clearly about how Wade just cries and cries and cries and cries. Male tears are fine, when earned, but this dude is literally a baby.
I really enjoyed seeing you on Open Bar. Hopefully there’s more appearances to come.
Drinker is the bomb and Reaper the detonator 😂 the reviews are sound yet quite brutal
Continue your amazing work in reviews, these are greatly insightful and entertaining.
Bro the Lego Batman edit gets me every time 😂
They didn't cast Tim Allen because he's conservative. The tolerant left hivemind.
Another fire video from our boy Reaper, keep it up bro
Audiences: "this is an underrated masterpiece that no one understands, people just didn't appreciated it at it's initial release."
That was much more funnier than the movie itself.
The animation is just so MEH it's not 2009 anymore, doing CGI water or fire isn't impressive.
You know what I'm always surprised about with sh*t movies in general. Behind the scenes, people who are recording lines, animators, producers, the movie company. All watched this film and thought... wow this is a great movie 😃
Strange World is not Pixar, I know is under the same company but that's Disney's
if a tree represents earth, shouldn't water be a fish?
That fire is harmful to the other species is also one of the many reasons that Zootopia is a terrible movie (shame it made so much money).
Of course the bunny should be afraid of a fox, she's a bunny and he's a fox! Foxes eat rabbits. You can't muddle your metaphors and allegories like that and not expect your message to suffer.
My suggestion for the story would have been that Ember's parents were invited with open arms by naive tree people(Hippie) into their house, since they wanted to be open to all new elements, even ones they didn't know about.
Of which the parents happened to start a big fire, which led to the Water people having to put out the fire.
with the result that the Tree people became skeptical of the fire people as more and more Fire arose due of the same thing happend over and over.
Ending with the creation of the Water Firefighters and the fire people getting there own area to live after a protracted conflict between water,fire and Earth/Tree.
Then just sprinkle in the story of doesnt wanna follow in your parents Fotsteps...
Which leads us to Wade encountering Ember during a fire, which happened to start due to an accident caused by Ember, Because Ember wanted to create Art to get out frustration after similar debate with her parents about" Follow in your parents' Footsteps"
That would require actual talent to make, which current Hollywood lacks.
What would be the point of that? Then the movie actively would be making fire people a issue to live around and would justify them not seeing the flower which is the opposite of what they’re trying to do and would be a horrible message
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To give the other elements a clear reason why they don't want anything to do with the fire people as they have a history around them. But also give the fire people a proper reason why they dont wanna be around the other elements...Aka they tried diversity with zero knowledge about each other Differences.
Which would have been better than the story we got..Aka everyone is racist (Especially against the fire people) in a society that advocates diversity.
@@zebare726 Yeah but there’s no valid reason for racism. Giving them a valid reason just kinda messes up the message. I do get what you mean tho, the fact no water or fire people have touched ever until Ember and Wade is weird and from the start the water people seemed too scared of fire
@@zebare726 But that’s kinda how racism works in the real word. There’s no real reason for being racist beside just not liking them for looking and acting different
This story is first draft material compared to early Pixar
I can see something here but in the end, all the creativity and charm is ruined by it being overshadowed by the same tireless minds that work in these films
Wall e was both a romance and environment all film but the charm and story and creativity was given priority
There's a nugget of a great story somewhere in there. Proves how important characterisation, arcs and plot are.
You got a shout out from the Critical Drinker.
Nice, needs to be brought on his happy hour podcast.
i'm going to be honest i really liked this film ...... but i 100% agree with you ...the plot points just fizzle out (pun intended) , it was so annoying and once again woman perfect man useless .....it could have been so much better ....and now that you've mentioned the glass blowing thing .... why the hell didn't the fire people have anything else they could do in element city ....its not like fire is useless ... there should have been fire people all over the place
love the vids ...i subscribed on the nocturn vid please keep up the good work