Gg Ff i also believe in God and feel better and trust me I have a hard life. I lost my house, my child suffered a costly medical procedure and left me bankrupt, i lost my job and i am Starting my life at 37. My wife and I always say that our faith, prayers and confidence in God will help us. Pray for me Please!
The heart of the Grand Man, that is, of Heaven and the Church, is constituted of those who are in love to the Lord and in love towards the neighbour.... and the lungs in the Grand Man, or in Heaven and the Church, are constituted of those who from the Lord are in charity towards the neighbour, and thence in faith. From these things it can be seen that it is absolutely necessary for there to be a Church on th earth, and that without it the human race would perish; for it would be as with a man when he dies, when the lungs and the heart cease to be moved. E.S.
Why do interviewers insist on interrupting their guests? We don't listen to hear from you! We want to hear Mr Hitchens. Shut up and let him finish his thoughts for goodness sake!!!!!
There's three types of people in this world: People who refuse to confess that Peter Hitchens was right all along, people who confess that Peter Hithens was right all along and Peter Hitchens
peter hitchens cant even think rationally enough to work out that god doesnt exist. Its then no surprise to me that hes wrong about most everything else. Base your life on a lie, you will live and speak lies
Peter Hitchens places a lot of emphasis on the withering effects that world war I had on the UK. No doubt he's right, but what he misses is that the rot had set in long before 1914. Britain had been overtaken economically by Germany and the USA some years earlier and the empire was becoming a serious drain on the UK's wealth. British society was seething with class conflict, social change and the Irish situation, and it's likely that some form of revolution or civil war would have broke out if world war I hadn't started.
You only find religion when you are in trouble . I had a massive heart attack during this i started saying the lords pray having been a vocal critic of religion why i did that is a mystery 9 years on i live to tell the tale .
make football great again.. This isn't true. Many people do not arrive at religion as a consequence of tragedy. Many hath arrived through scientific research and rational reasoning.
Trouble, such as ill health, does not only result in fear but also a sort of questioning that may result in more radical paradigm shifts than science can contain. I recommend Ernst Mach (readable online) who provided the foundation for Einstein's relativity, which argues that sensation, specifically the visual field, is the stuff of the universe about which science theorises. Thus the thing in itself is no more nor less than our theory (pontification). And hence, in the beginning was the word, and 'creation' through speech or our attitude towards the spoken.
Peter Hitchens own testimony is a complete refutation of this. The idea that people only use religion because it makes them feel better or they are troubled is complete rubish. It's an old, terrible argument from enlightenment figures that New Atheist's have blown the dust off of for a quick gotcha to off handidly dismiss religions, and religious people, as childs play and credulity. Becoming a Catholic didn't make my life any easier, it only made it harder. Becoming a good person and being virtuous is damn hard. This is a lazy argument and an injustice to any attempt to confront this truthfully. Try harder. For a "vocal critic of religion" I'm utterly dissapointed this tripe is considered at all convincing to you.
I'm an atheist, and I can find almost no reason to believe in any kind of god. That being said, I agree with Peter Hitchens on many of his observations, political views and his general worldview. Religion is a fascinating phenomenon to me, and I think in the case of Hitchens, your upbringing plays a big role in your religious beliefs. I know far many more people that have moved from religion to irreligion than vice versa.
Brilliant, actually. "The world that [our parents] themselves had saved from disaster was one we took for granted" Also I think he correctly identifies that our "religion" was a set of myths and stories (precisely the things that make a religion strong) & not limited to mere Christianity. Our myth was that we were special, and that history proved this, and it's a good myth to have. With the end of empire, everything suddenly looked very negative - things weren't getting better all the time. This is in any case how I explain to myself the wave of extreme self-doubt that overcame Britain in the 1960s and 70s. Academics and then the BBC started pushing out very negative stuff about Britain and her history. Soon everyone else started to follow suit. Absolute disaster for the country. We need to find some connection to our old self-belief, or to create a new positive belief system (please not the bloody EU, though...) We could start with viewing the amazing parts of our history instead of teaching our kids the lunatic fringe of identity politics as though it were established fact...
What astonishing nonsense. Britain's decline started way back in the 1800s. We were overtaken economically by Germany and the USA and were failing to modernise. The empire and the defence of empire was becoming a major burden. We are still paying the price for it now - it wasn't until the late 1960s for example that we started spending as much on education as we did on defence. Other countries had invested in their people significantly more - giving them superior education and training. That then had a major impact on our relative economic performance. The idea that our decline is somehow to do with the BBC putting out negativity about the empire is spectacularly historically illiterate. Our decline began long before the BBC was even thought of. The writing was on the wall for Britain and the British empire around 150 years ago. This bizarre attempt to revert back to some Imaginary past that you seem so keen on is ridiculous. Our confidence during that time depended on our being the only industrialised state and the empire that sprang from it - the empire then over time becoming more of a burden than an asset. That kind of thing can never, ever return. You are pining for a dangerous fantasy, and it's rather interesting that you seem so keen on empire when it was ultimately the empire that caused so many of our problems.
@@zeddeka Did I say our longterm economic decline was due to the BBC? You're claiming that I said that, and I'm pretty sure I didn't. Basic Aunt Sally fallacy I was talking about a sort of national self-doubt (to put it mildly) and where that came from. While I'm not expecting Britain to return to world-power status, I'm pretty sure a decline in morale and rejection of our history & identity is a bad thing. Any athlete that goes into a race thinking he's a loser is liable to lose, and I'd suggest that the same goes for any team, tribe or nation. If we have a lot of journalists, teachers and academics pushing a negative view of this country (it would be easy to put a quite different interpretation on things) then that will affect our country's performance and our people's happiness. So I'm afraid you've typed a lot of words arguing against a thesis I wasn't making...
Also, it is pretty amusing that people here debate every bit as robustly as Mr Hitchens does on broadcast debates. I prefer a bit more subtlety - usually, anyway
Incorrect, you’ve missed the point. He wasn’t talking about britain believing in itself. He was saying that britains society and the way it’s politicians, academics and all people behaved was shaped by a belief in Christianity. That was the core of its institutions and society. That was the belief which pushed them to expand and create and empire.
I don’t like the Catholic credo that this life is actually meaningless and it only heralds the next life. So implicitly, it’s not worth having ambition
With less than 1% of the UK attending regular church services, its decline will continue as organized religion has so little to offer young educated questioning folks.
What are these bring educated young people questioning, since irreligiosity is the mainstream? The freethinkers would be those investigating religion, and surprise, surprise, some are.
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Peter Hitchens is the man.
he is a man, but hes none too manly.
God bless you Peter Hitchens
god is a fiction
Not sure why I believe in God but I completely do and I feel better for it and I’d definitely recommend trying too have faith
Gg Ff i also believe in God and feel better and trust me I have a hard life. I lost my house, my child suffered a costly medical procedure and left me bankrupt, i lost my job and i am Starting my life at 37. My wife and I always say that our faith, prayers and confidence in God will help us. Pray for me Please!
So you endorse delusion and justify the bigotry of religion . glad it makes you feel better but how selfish you are
Very good interview. Peter H.'s legacy will out live that of his brother, I suspect.
It already has
Rising above self or tribal interest really requires trust in a God who will recognize and recompense us for our loss.
Not in the slightest. It just requires a basic magnanimity.
@@zeddeka The key word is "loss". Most people can be magnanimous towards someone who has not severely harmed them and has no intension to do so.
Such an insightful interview. 🌝
The heart of the Grand Man, that is, of Heaven and the Church, is constituted of those who are in love to the Lord and in love towards the neighbour.... and the lungs in the Grand Man, or in Heaven and the Church, are constituted of those who from the Lord are in charity towards the neighbour, and thence in faith.
From these things it can be seen that it is absolutely necessary for there to be a Church on th earth, and that without it the human race would perish; for it would be as with a man when he dies, when the lungs and the heart cease to be moved. E.S.
I love Peter Hitchens
Why do interviewers insist on interrupting their guests? We don't listen to hear from you! We want to hear Mr Hitchens. Shut up and let him finish his thoughts for goodness sake!!!!!
There's three types of people in this world: People who refuse to confess that Peter Hitchens was right all along, people who confess that Peter Hithens was right all along and Peter Hitchens
peter hitchens cant even think rationally enough to work out that god doesnt exist. Its then no surprise to me that hes wrong about most everything else. Base your life on a lie, you will live and speak lies
A like. Just because it makes me think.
I'm sixty-five and I can remember sitting in infant-school classrooms chanting "sixteen ounces make a pound, fourteen pounds make a stone etc..." 😊
Thank god that's long gone. You may as well have learned about cubits.
Peter Hitchens places a lot of emphasis on the withering effects that world war I had on the UK. No doubt he's right, but what he misses is that the rot had set in long before 1914. Britain had been overtaken economically by Germany and the USA some years earlier and the empire was becoming a serious drain on the UK's wealth. British society was seething with class conflict, social change and the Irish situation, and it's likely that some form of revolution or civil war would have broke out if world war I hadn't started.
Its very possible. Nobody will know. But ww1 did kill off the old Britain
Do you have the video where Peter says Islam will fill the void ?
If possible can you provide the date of airing.
Sunday, April 24, 2011
www.abc.net.au/sundaynights/stories/s3199489.htm
Thanks very much love the channel
Carbon date it lol
Man Peter Hitchens must have been an absolute nightmare as a Bolshevik lol
Who is the interviewer?
You only find religion when you are in trouble . I had a massive heart attack during this i started saying the lords pray having been a vocal critic of religion why i did that is a mystery 9 years on i live to tell the tale .
make football great again I find it interesting when people find religion during times of trouble or due to the factor of fear
Good man, I hope your well and happy!
make football great again.. This isn't true. Many people do not arrive at religion as a consequence of tragedy. Many hath arrived through scientific research and rational reasoning.
Trouble, such as ill health, does not only result in fear but also a sort of questioning that may result in more radical paradigm shifts than science can contain. I recommend Ernst Mach (readable online) who provided the foundation for Einstein's relativity, which argues that sensation, specifically the visual field, is the stuff of the universe about which science theorises. Thus the thing in itself is no more nor less than our theory (pontification). And hence, in the beginning was the word, and 'creation' through speech or our attitude towards the spoken.
Peter Hitchens own testimony is a complete refutation of this. The idea that people only use religion because it makes them feel better or they are troubled is complete rubish. It's an old, terrible argument from enlightenment figures that New Atheist's have blown the dust off of for a quick gotcha to off handidly dismiss religions, and religious people, as childs play and credulity. Becoming a Catholic didn't make my life any easier, it only made it harder. Becoming a good person and being virtuous is damn hard. This is a lazy argument and an injustice to any attempt to confront this truthfully. Try harder. For a "vocal critic of religion" I'm utterly dissapointed this tripe is considered at all convincing to you.
I'm an atheist, and I can find almost no reason to believe in any kind of god. That being said, I agree with Peter Hitchens on many of his observations, political views and his general worldview. Religion is a fascinating phenomenon to me, and I think in the case of Hitchens, your upbringing plays a big role in your religious beliefs. I know far many more people that have moved from religion to irreligion than vice versa.
From when is this?
Brilliant, actually. "The world that [our parents] themselves had saved from disaster was one we took for granted"
Also I think he correctly identifies that our "religion" was a set of myths and stories (precisely the things that make a religion strong) & not limited to mere Christianity.
Our myth was that we were special, and that history proved this, and it's a good myth to have. With the end of empire, everything suddenly looked very negative - things weren't getting better all the time.
This is in any case how I explain to myself the wave of extreme self-doubt that overcame Britain in the 1960s and 70s. Academics and then the BBC started pushing out very negative stuff about Britain and her history. Soon everyone else started to follow suit.
Absolute disaster for the country. We need to find some connection to our old self-belief, or to create a new positive belief system (please not the bloody EU, though...) We could start with viewing the amazing parts of our history instead of teaching our kids the lunatic fringe of identity politics as though it were established fact...
Harry Lagman nowhere Ive seen Hitchens taking christianity as a myth. You are simply delusional
What astonishing nonsense. Britain's decline started way back in the 1800s. We were overtaken economically by Germany and the USA and were failing to modernise. The empire and the defence of empire was becoming a major burden. We are still paying the price for it now - it wasn't until the late 1960s for example that we started spending as much on education as we did on defence. Other countries had invested in their people significantly more - giving them superior education and training. That then had a major impact on our relative economic performance. The idea that our decline is somehow to do with the BBC putting out negativity about the empire is spectacularly historically illiterate. Our decline began long before the BBC was even thought of. The writing was on the wall for Britain and the British empire around 150 years ago. This bizarre attempt to revert back to some Imaginary past that you seem so keen on is ridiculous. Our confidence during that time depended on our being the only industrialised state and the empire that sprang from it - the empire then over time becoming more of a burden than an asset. That kind of thing can never, ever return. You are pining for a dangerous fantasy, and it's rather interesting that you seem so keen on empire when it was ultimately the empire that caused so many of our problems.
@@zeddeka Did I say our longterm economic decline was due to the BBC? You're claiming that I said that, and I'm pretty sure I didn't. Basic Aunt Sally fallacy
I was talking about a sort of national self-doubt (to put it mildly) and where that came from. While I'm not expecting Britain to return to world-power status, I'm pretty sure a decline in morale and rejection of our history & identity is a bad thing. Any athlete that goes into a race thinking he's a loser is liable to lose, and I'd suggest that the same goes for any team, tribe or nation.
If we have a lot of journalists, teachers and academics pushing a negative view of this country (it would be easy to put a quite different interpretation on things) then that will affect our country's performance and our people's happiness.
So I'm afraid you've typed a lot of words arguing against a thesis I wasn't making...
Also, it is pretty amusing that people here debate every bit as robustly as Mr Hitchens does on broadcast debates. I prefer a bit more subtlety - usually, anyway
Incorrect, you’ve missed the point. He wasn’t talking about britain believing in itself. He was saying that britains society and the way it’s politicians, academics and all people behaved was shaped by a belief in Christianity. That was the core of its institutions and society. That was the belief which pushed them to expand and create and empire.
"I find that Japan is a wonderful country who's culture should in some cases be replicated" Holy shit! Peter Hitchens is a weeaboo!
🤣😂😂😂😂
I don’t like the Catholic credo that this life is actually meaningless and it only heralds the next life. So implicitly, it’s not worth having ambition
I am not Catholic, but I can guarantee this is not the official position of the Catholic church or any other Christian church.
@@DonSanchoPanza I am Catholic. It's not.
Not meaningless, but not the only thing.
With less than 1% of the UK attending regular church services, its decline will continue as organized religion has so little to offer young educated questioning folks.
What are these bring educated young people questioning, since irreligiosity is the mainstream? The freethinkers would be those investigating religion, and surprise, surprise, some are.
@@davidhawley1132 amen.
3 years later you sell out your god given freedoms because everyone else is doing it. Cod