I still have a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife that my dad gave me as a birthday gift back in the early 80s. I think that will always be my favourite no matter what kind of fancy knives come out.
For the Benchmade I agree with you. I don't see the day that I will buy another one. OVERPRICED. A knife with ultra cheap scales that if you press à bit both sides are touching each other at over 200.00 !!! No thanks
I agree with you, for me the mini griptilian sheepsfoot blade with opening hole and one of the best benchmade. But the edge is thick and the geometry is not good so I looked for the old versions with 154cm steel, they have a hollow grind with a fine edge. Luckily I managed to find 2! Thank for your work 👌
Yes man I am totally agree with you that Benchmade knives are overpriced and other people are at this opinion.I never haved Benchmade and I will never buy this knife brand.
That 2 Sun reviews reminded me the feeling I would get seeing a good tool under the light. Back when there wasn’t as much as now. Old school stuff….what a concept. Dude been watching your content a long ass time. Thanks Bud
The 0450 is a product of its time. It actually got me back into knives, it was right when the knife world started getting exciting again. We've learned and we got such an explosion of interest and feedback, and knives have evolved in a short time as well as my tastes. In the field it was born into it it had a lot of great features and the ZT's started bringing astounding manual action into production knives. I still like mine, but I recognize we've embraced a lot of refinements it doesn't have. Thick stock = wider blade, or you're just have a wedge
I remember your twosun 195 integral you used to love. I just happened to dig out disassemble and adjust mine last night, weakened the lockbar tension, threw in some skiffs, admired the edge I put on it awhile back. Still a really solid one I hadn't handled in awhile. I know, the stop "pin" placement is bad.
The Kershaw Leek was absolutely my gateway knife back in about 2001. I carried a few different knives for many years, & then in 2020 I got bit by the true knife bug & now I've owned hundreds of knives. Sitting here playing with my CKF Evo 4.0, while waiting for my Robjohnsons Cedar in Vanax to arrive here in a couple months. I had lost my Leeks over the years & only about a month ago found a nice 14C28N Leek in like-new condition for $25 shipped from someone on reddit. Very happy to have it back, even if it is assisted, haha
Love my ZT0450. John at BGM fixed the blade with a mad hollow grind. $70 with BGM fixes all your issues. ZT has great service and would provide a warranty replacement blade if yours is soft, and they also provide free deep carry clips, just pay postage. Admittedly my 0450 has Devin Thomas Stainless Damascus which absolutely rocks!!
Spot on, Jared. 3 of these were the first knives I bought - the Bugout, the ZT0450, and the Leek. The Leek was absolutely the gateway knife. It took a while for me to figure out what I liked and if I had to do it all over again I'd stick with the Leek for nostalgia purposes, but not the other two. If I want a rear-flipper-only premium knife there are so many better choices than the ZT. The Bugout was so overhyped and widely recommended by EDC websites that as a beginner in this world I almost felt commanded to buy it. Should have come to TH-cam first!
I thought it was about: I used to love knives but now-...I was TERRIFIED!!!!! MY FAVOURITE KNIFE TH-camR NO LONGER LIKES KNIVES----- whof....nope...thanks god😅❤❤
Bel Air for the W!!!! I freaking absolutely love mine. Ive got knives at all different prices and the Bel Air finds itself in my pocket so freaking much.
My gateway knife was a spyderco delica. The o.g. one with the steel scales and a partially serrated blade in vg10. My uncle owned a pawnshop and he swore by spyderco and now 400+ knives in my spyders are still some of my favorite and most used/carried.
I've a lot of people start echoing the same sentiment about the Bugout. I never liked the squishy scales and I thought it was too expensive for what you got before and it certainly is now. I'll stick with my Vosteed Mini Psyop.
Good vid. Made me stop & think how my own knife tastes have changed over the past 30 years. My likes and dislikes have moved around over the years - some led to great purchases and some led to questionable (ok, stupid) purchases. I still have a laugh when I pull my TOPS Operator 7 out of the drawer. I'm sure everyone has some knives in their drawer that they loved at the time until reality sunk in and now they're dust catchers. Sharp blades all.
Just got a full sized Griptillian in S30V a couple of months ago. It's a really good knife. Mine is the drop point with the thumb hole. The bigger brother of the one you're showing. I have the mini Griptillian as well, used to be my everyday carry for the longest time, still carry it ounce in a while.
Recently got a bugout on sale for $150 and honestly I love it, got some custom parts from Flytanium and it's made it easily my favorite edc! But i definitely agree the retail prices are insane.
Glad to see you're back! Computer problems are solved I hope! Also, this was a great idea for a video. You should do a video like this once a month. You've been around long enough that you got plenty of knifes to rereview. And for the folks like me who have been around a while it is neat to see how opinions change over time. But this really should be a monthly recurring thing. Lots of people can't afford the new releases and so they go for the older models. A recent review of the older model knife would help them out a bunch. Just be sure to name the knives in the video title so people can search it out easier. P.S. Benchmade discontinued the griptilian. I think Doug Ritter ended his partnership with them or the patent ran out or something. I forget the why, but they're not gonna be available to the public much longer if at all. Would the Ritter Hogue RSK-1 still be recommendable to the Benchmade bugout? Same design but better materials and craftsmanship but a higher price too.
My bugout has never stopped being gritty...could it be that the lock bar is made from titanium? Opening or closing it, both ways are terrible... I bought mine a few years ago, but stopped carrying it.
Benchmade prices are especially infuriating considering Hogue exists. They put out a better product (with a far better heat treat) at better prices when comparing similar materials. It’s insane.
Tiers have dropped, if you're a fan of one company ONLY, id browse. I have some in my family that are kershaw or nothing....I do want the blur in magnacut...it's a story of a kershaw that was gifted to me when I was a kid, that slight recurve was perfect.
Hello Jared I have a question for you. I know it could be hard to answer but I do😅 I started a knifes collection that will go to my grand-sons in May be 10-12 years. They will be like new Never used, original boxes let say 10/10 The knives are: Cold steel 4 Max Scout, kansept fenrir Kansept kratos, Civivi Vision, Qubit, CJRB Frack, Spyderco PM2 S45VN, Vosteed Raccoon aluminium lock bar, Artisan cutlery Timacus S90 and many other Civivi and many more. In 10-12 years, they will be like vintage Do you think that they will gain value ? If yes how much in % ? Thank you
No I do not, the only ones that could would be the USA made ones, unless cold steel discontinue the 4 max it won't. Knives that go up are going to be exclusives in the USA, or models that were discontinued while still being very popular. Some Chinese do but usually it's the USA made knives or Highly sought after models. Some models you can't determine, but some you can.
A couple years ago, my mom and dad got me a $160, blue, grivory handled Bugout for Christmas and my brother got me a QSP Penguin in D2 for $40. When I showed them around, everyone was certain the prices had to have been mixed up. I grew up flipping through knife catalogs, dreaming of one day owning a Benchmade. When I finally got one, it didn’t taste as sweet as I thought it would.
Mouahahah,, you realy don't like the firdt one ! But you're right. When it's not good or when there is a problem, it's better and more honnest to say it. I am agree. There is a lot of knifes, than i don't like the combinasion betwin the handle and the blade !! And for the eat traitment, when there is a problem, it's you responsability and your credibility to speak of it !! Thank you. ^^
Fun looking at and using older knives in the collection to see how much you like them now as when you first got them especially how knowledge is gained through the whole process and our needs and wants grow as we grow into the hobby. My first knife I ever bought had made in pakistan steel on it (a Buck 110 clone) when I was a kid and like you said couldn't keep an edge on it lol, and many if my cheaper multitools were like that as well. After getting my hands on a properly heat treated piece of steel it made the world of difference how I viewed my knives and tools. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Yeah I agree it's a great knife it's just not worth the money they charge now, it should be a 120$ knife. Kershaw has a magnacut and aluminum handle for like 118
@@NeevesKnives I agree the price is way too much but I also think all of benchmade knives are overpriced. I just prefer the better steel and either the carbon fiber or factory aluminum scales. Which steel from benchmade holds its edge better their s90v or m390 I know it’s different with all companies depending on their heat treats and stuff.
Can't wait man! Looking forward to you reminding me of great $40 to $60 knives that i have forgotten since I've been in the community for a while and got corrupted with the knowledge of awesome high end knives 😂. I'm assuming that's the price range you mean when you say "gateway knives".
Benchmade already sucks with these overpriced knives.I don't know why people so much like them because they're nothing special, some chinese made knives are better than them!!!
You flipped those open a whole lot of times for knives you say you don't love anymore. We know you secretly still do. Like, a lot of times...on camera. Great video concept though.
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I still have a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife that my dad gave me as a birthday gift back in the early 80s. I think that will always be my favourite no matter what kind of fancy knives come out.
The belair blows the Bugout away. Good advice.
The Leek was my first edc knife that I fell in love with, it got me into the hobby and led me to start my channel as well.
Same
For the Benchmade I agree with you. I don't see the day that I will buy another one. OVERPRICED. A knife with ultra cheap scales that if you press à bit both sides are touching each other at over 200.00 !!! No thanks
Yeah makes no sense bugout should not be over 130 at most
yeah it makes no sense to grab a bugout when the redoubt and presidio 2 are the same price with in my opinion better designs and materials
Taggedout and Claymore look like decent offerings. My first and only BM is the Bugout and I have to agree. Considering AWT scales for it.
I agree with you, for me the mini griptilian sheepsfoot blade with opening hole and one of the best benchmade. But the edge is thick and the geometry is not good so I looked for the old versions with 154cm steel, they have a hollow grind with a fine edge. Luckily I managed to find 2! Thank for your work 👌
Yes man I am totally agree with you that Benchmade knives are overpriced and other people are at this opinion.I never haved Benchmade and I will never buy this knife brand.
I have several Benchmade knives including 4 Bugouts, but no more - prices have climbed too high for what they’re producing.
That 2 Sun reviews reminded me the feeling I would get seeing a good tool under the light. Back when there wasn’t as much as now. Old school stuff….what a concept. Dude been watching your content a long ass time. Thanks Bud
This is an excellent idea! It's good to see how opinions change and the industry has advanced. Keep it up, Jerad!
Leek is a certified hood classic.
The 0450 is a product of its time. It actually got me back into knives, it was right when the knife world started getting exciting again. We've learned and we got such an explosion of interest and feedback, and knives have evolved in a short time as well as my tastes. In the field it was born into it it had a lot of great features and the ZT's started bringing astounding manual action into production knives. I still like mine, but I recognize we've embraced a lot of refinements it doesn't have. Thick stock = wider blade, or you're just have a wedge
I remember your twosun 195 integral you used to love. I just happened to dig out disassemble and adjust mine last night, weakened the lockbar tension, threw in some skiffs, admired the edge I put on it awhile back. Still a really solid one I hadn't handled in awhile. I know, the stop "pin" placement is bad.
The Kershaw Leek was absolutely my gateway knife back in about 2001. I carried a few different knives for many years, & then in 2020 I got bit by the true knife bug & now I've owned hundreds of knives. Sitting here playing with my CKF Evo 4.0, while waiting for my Robjohnsons Cedar in Vanax to arrive here in a couple months.
I had lost my Leeks over the years & only about a month ago found a nice 14C28N Leek in like-new condition for $25 shipped from someone on reddit. Very happy to have it back, even if it is assisted, haha
Love my ZT0450. John at BGM fixed the blade with a mad hollow grind. $70 with BGM fixes all your issues. ZT has great service and would provide a warranty replacement blade if yours is soft, and they also provide free deep carry clips, just pay postage. Admittedly my 0450 has Devin Thomas Stainless Damascus which absolutely rocks!!
The ZT 0452 however is a different knife ! I carry mine all the time . S35VN and Magnacut. Pocket sword
Yes! I have both and love them
Spot on, Jared. 3 of these were the first knives I bought - the Bugout, the ZT0450, and the Leek. The Leek was absolutely the gateway knife. It took a while for me to figure out what I liked and if I had to do it all over again I'd stick with the Leek for nostalgia purposes, but not the other two. If I want a rear-flipper-only premium knife there are so many better choices than the ZT. The Bugout was so overhyped and widely recommended by EDC websites that as a beginner in this world I almost felt commanded to buy it. Should have come to TH-cam first!
I thought it was about: I used to love knives but now-...I was TERRIFIED!!!!! MY FAVOURITE KNIFE TH-camR NO LONGER LIKES KNIVES----- whof....nope...thanks god😅❤❤
Bel Air for the W!!!! I freaking absolutely love mine. Ive got knives at all different prices and the Bel Air finds itself in my pocket so freaking much.
Yeah it's a Banger
The way I find my favorite for things, whether it be a knife or whatever; what do you pick up without thinking. Thats the mark of a good thing
Really would like to see more of these "What do i think now" videos of knives you praised in the past.
👊
My gateway knife was a spyderco delica. The o.g. one with the steel scales and a partially serrated blade in vg10. My uncle owned a pawnshop and he swore by spyderco and now 400+ knives in my spyders are still some of my favorite and most used/carried.
I've a lot of people start echoing the same sentiment about the Bugout. I never liked the squishy scales and I thought it was too expensive for what you got before and it certainly is now. I'll stick with my Vosteed Mini Psyop.
The leek was my first real knife back in 2008. The dividend is a better knife because it has a better packet clip.
Good vid. Made me stop & think how my own knife tastes have changed over the past 30 years. My likes and dislikes have moved around over the years - some led to great purchases and some led to questionable (ok, stupid) purchases. I still have a laugh when I pull my TOPS Operator 7 out of the drawer. I'm sure everyone has some knives in their drawer that they loved at the time until reality sunk in and now they're dust catchers. Sharp blades all.
Id recommend the Ritter Hogue over the Benchmade Griptillian.
I personally like the grip a bit more if it's the sheep'sfoot
There is a lot of very good knifes. Expensives ones, or not. That's why when there is some problems, it's realy better to speack about them ..! ^^
I love it! Call them all out!!!😊
Just got a full sized Griptillian in S30V a couple of months ago. It's a really good knife. Mine is the drop point with the thumb hole. The bigger brother of the one you're showing. I have the mini Griptillian as well, used to be my everyday carry for the longest time, still carry it ounce in a while.
Thanks for letting us know about the ZT
Honestly with sooo many knives on my list rn
It’s gonna be nice to cut some out that aren’t worth getting
The Bugout it's an absolute must have. With the Parra 3 Spiderco and the Ultratech Microtech !! ^^
A video on gateway knives would be great! It would be interesting to see what you think. Cheers.
My gateway knife was the Kershaw Blur.
I've always wanted to see a manual leek!!
So many better alternatives to the Bugout. I own one and don't recommend it to anyone.
Recently got a bugout on sale for $150 and honestly I love it, got some custom parts from Flytanium and it's made it easily my favorite edc! But i definitely agree the retail prices are insane.
Just pulled the trigger on my first knife over 100 dollars. I went with the Spyderco Yojumbo. Can't wait for it to get here.
The problem I have with OG scales for my Deka is they don't ship to Australia.
Glad to see you're back! Computer problems are solved I hope!
Also, this was a great idea for a video. You should do a video like this once a month. You've been around long enough that you got plenty of knifes to rereview. And for the folks like me who have been around a while it is neat to see how opinions change over time.
But this really should be a monthly recurring thing. Lots of people can't afford the new releases and so they go for the older models. A recent review of the older model knife would help them out a bunch. Just be sure to name the knives in the video title so people can search it out easier.
P.S. Benchmade discontinued the griptilian. I think Doug Ritter ended his partnership with them or the patent ran out or something. I forget the why, but they're not gonna be available to the public much longer if at all. Would the Ritter Hogue RSK-1 still be recommendable to the Benchmade bugout? Same design but better materials and craftsmanship but a higher price too.
Do more like this please.
very good Jerad I about went and got my mini grip blackout back
Leek stays in my toolbox. Very handy.
Sad to see the 0450 didn't hold up. Do you think that the 0452 with its bigger size avoids some of these issues?
My bugout has never stopped being gritty...could it be that the lock bar is made from titanium? Opening or closing it, both ways are terrible... I bought mine a few years ago, but stopped carrying it.
Benchmade prices are especially infuriating considering Hogue exists. They put out a better product (with a far better heat treat) at better prices when comparing similar materials. It’s insane.
Tiers have dropped, if you're a fan of one company ONLY, id browse. I have some in my family that are kershaw or nothing....I do want the blur in magnacut...it's a story of a kershaw that was gifted to me when I was a kid, that slight recurve was perfect.
Hello Jared
I have a question for you. I know it could be hard to answer but I do😅
I started a knifes collection that will go to my grand-sons in May be 10-12 years. They will be like new
Never used, original boxes let say 10/10
The knives are: Cold steel 4 Max Scout, kansept fenrir Kansept kratos, Civivi Vision, Qubit, CJRB Frack, Spyderco PM2 S45VN, Vosteed Raccoon aluminium lock bar, Artisan cutlery Timacus S90 and many other Civivi and many more. In 10-12 years, they will be like vintage
Do you think that they will gain value ? If yes how much in % ? Thank you
No I do not, the only ones that could would be the USA made ones, unless cold steel discontinue the 4 max it won't. Knives that go up are going to be exclusives in the USA, or models that were discontinued while still being very popular. Some Chinese do but usually it's the USA made knives or Highly sought after models. Some models you can't determine, but some you can.
@@NeevesKnives i was thinking that in 10-12 years they will be all discontinue😃 This was the reason of my question 👍🏻 Thank you
A couple years ago, my mom and dad got me a $160, blue, grivory handled Bugout for Christmas and my brother got me a QSP Penguin in D2 for $40. When I showed them around, everyone was certain the prices had to have been mixed up.
I grew up flipping through knife catalogs, dreaming of one day owning a Benchmade. When I finally got one, it didn’t taste as sweet as I thought it would.
Mouahahah,, you realy don't like the firdt one ! But you're right. When it's not good or when there is a problem, it's better and more honnest to say it. I am agree. There is a lot of knifes, than i don't like the combinasion betwin the handle and the blade !! And for the eat traitment, when there is a problem, it's you responsability and your credibility to speak of it !! Thank you. ^^
appreciate the USA made showcase..
Fun looking at and using older knives in the collection to see how much you like them now as when you first got them especially how knowledge is gained through the whole process and our needs and wants grow as we grow into the hobby. My first knife I ever bought had made in pakistan steel on it (a Buck 110 clone) when I was a kid and like you said couldn't keep an edge on it lol, and many if my cheaper multitools were like that as well. After getting my hands on a properly heat treated piece of steel it made the world of difference how I viewed my knives and tools. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
It's such a huge difference when dealing with good steels, I went through the same process crappy steels that just couldn't get properly sharp
I love the Redention, i love the redention,,, with the skuuul clip ..! ^^
I still love my bugouts, carry at least one a week. One has AWT scales and the other OG...makes it a completely different knife imo.
Yeah I agree it's a great knife it's just not worth the money they charge now, it should be a 120$ knife. Kershaw has a magnacut and aluminum handle for like 118
Nice vid. You made me pull out the TS223 and play with it.
I don't care. I want the Bugout !! I don't like the otcer one. ^^ And you can change the platines for aluminium ones ..! ^^
Do the gateway knife video!
What about the bugout in carbon fiber and s90v or the factory aluminum scale and m390
I like the bug out I just don't prefer the price the base model should be 120 130$
@@NeevesKnives I agree the price is way too much but I also think all of benchmade knives are overpriced. I just prefer the better steel and either the carbon fiber or factory aluminum scales. Which steel from benchmade holds its edge better their s90v or m390 I know it’s different with all companies depending on their heat treats and stuff.
The last 2 ZT knives(not including the fixed blade) I got have been udder letdown's
NO! I NOTICED THAT BEFORE KARA!!! 😝
I like it
Holy crap! 47thou behind the edge?! that's insane. Not exactly slicey😂
Regrind taht upswept blade to a drop point or straight back
Bugout carbon looks way better than a Griptillian. I like mine.
Good to see videos again my brother.
The leek.. how you kill the assist? Does it have a detent?
Heard you... no detent... I wish they would work with no assist...
Spring broke, and no it doesn't have a detent
Was gonna put an APB out on you! Great vid. Thank you
Ayyy he's back!
Gas station knife fighting grip....✅️...🤣
BANG! DEEESS KNIVES!!!
With that first knife in it making no sense. I feel that way with the Benchmade Mini Adamas. 😂
Gateway knives...Kershaw Leek & CRKT Pilar are pretty equal in that regard i think. Nice content bud.
Yeah buddy, gateway knives video coming soon
Can't wait man! Looking forward to you reminding me of great $40 to $60 knives that i have forgotten since I've been in the community for a while and got corrupted with the knowledge of awesome high end knives 😂. I'm assuming that's the price range you mean when you say "gateway knives".
Kershaw needs to unassist knives like the leek and the link. It’s crazy how out of touch they are.
I got a bugout for under $100😊
Best 250 dollar knife ku can buy
Good video 👍🏽
Benchmade already sucks with these overpriced knives.I don't know why people so much like them because they're nothing special, some chinese made knives are better than them!!!
What about the Twosun TS129?
Maybe a pt2 is coming
The 450 disappoints me. It has soft steel and bad geometry. It was promoted as having great action.
Sort of like the Benchmade 940.
I've never been able to sharpen mine lol. The s35vn edge rolls from side to side. Now lives in my tackle box to cut fishing line.
That's exactly what happened with mine, it would never keep an apex without basically rolling over
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Deka instead of Bugout
I think the Bugout is the most famous American knife ..!
What a terrific, downer, negative vid. 🙁
Structure much?
You flipped those open a whole lot of times for knives you say you don't love anymore. We know you secretly still do. Like, a lot of times...on camera. Great video concept though.
😆 that's just habit and only 2 of them I don't like anymore and it's not the action I don't like
Meh, purple skin.
I'm out.
Great stuff Jerad. If I could go back I would get a Deka over Bugout every time.
Absolutely
Thanks for sharing Bro Bro 🙏🏼