Very interesting test Will. However, I will have to test it myself, because of cross contamination with your dropper and mixing stick. Thanks for sharing.
Hardware store lacquer thinner is industrial paint solvent, basically. Laquer thinner is good for lacquers, but when used on acrylics, (and many styrene plastics now are acrylic modified for stability and hardness) it practically melts it, its pretty "hot" stuff.
Sir,you just mixed all 5 products with your dropper,should you have at least rinsed it first?just sayin,because I noticed just a bit stayed every time you dipped into another product..
I use flat and gloss MM acrylics with mr hobby leveling thinner and get great results. Both go down incredibly smooth. I tried x20a originally and it did not work nearly as well.
Another useful test. I swear by x20a but I ran out recently and had heard ipa and screenwash could be used. I was doubtful but gave it a go with tamiya paint and it works flawlessly.
I use Tamiya X-20A exclusively with "MM Acryl" and Tamiya paints and have experienced no probs.. at my end ! Thanks for the experiment thou ! interesting results.....
So Ultimate Airbrush Cleaner (H2O + alcohol) and Tamiya Acrylic Thinner (H2O + alcohol) work best to thin acrylic paint. Sounds like we can save alot of money by just using water and alcohol! THANKS!!
I agree with the comments of using the same dropper. But the conclusion will be likely the same...I wish I saw this video before I decided to clog my airbrush with a 50-50 ratio of Mr Color & paint
First of all, however, you have left them sitting for a while, Tamiya is "hotter" than the others, not that it is best for the MM paint, however, Tamiya though acrylic is not the same as MM from what I've read. Tamiya states clearly on their website that their x20 can be used but that the Tamiya Lacquer thinner is also good for thinning their acrylics. I use the Lacquer thinner and it provides an excellent finish, they do not get thicker as your test showed for using Tamiya Lacquer thinner with MM. I'd guess the carrier on the MM is not the same as the Tamiya. There is a difference between acrylics. Remember, Mission Models for instance clearly states they are water based, but if you look up Tamiya, its clearly a Lacquer based paint. So it proves I won't be using Tamiya Lacquer thinner for MM paint, but I will try rubbing alcohol of different % until I find the right fit. I figure tge70% may offer a slower drying time or a much level glossy finish.
TESTORS has a chart that recommends thinning Acryl 30% with their thinner, so 50% may be just right, for Wills setup, I'm going to try 30% just cause I'm a minimalist.
Hi Will. Have you ever had issues with Model Master Paints ? For some reason all three of my new Model Master Acrylic paints peel when they been dried for over a week after being airbrushed and thinned with Model Master Acrylic thinner. What am I doing wrong? I used Tamiya masking tape on it after it’s fully dried and all three colors peeled or flakes off. Is it because I didn’t use a primer ? My other paints such as Tamiya work and stick fine. Is it because I thinned too much? Thanks.
I've found the flat Acryl colours thin and spray well with Tamiya thinner but the semi gloss ones just won't spray properly at all either too thin or too thick and spit all over the place with the airbrush..Leslie
Very useful info..I grew disappointed of Tamiya acrylics..I've used a mix of Iso-alcohol and distilled water (50/50) *per other youtuber modeler ...but no results..Tried to paint the faces of 1/35 scale figures the whole thing turned into a mess..! Thanks for the experiment..
I thank you for the reply..!! I bought a large collection of them, but never used them before....I swore; they look so rich and creamy and so good...I was ready to take a swig of my favorite color...XF-50..Until I started using them..what a disappointment...I guess it's time to go back and get other brand...thanks again!
Nice experiment. I've got just a few Model Masters left and a bottle of Mr. Leveling thinner so I'm going to give it a shot...on the undercarriage lol...just in case.
Will what paint do you use now after modelmaster acrylic is gone? If you want the wery same colours and colour codes Italeri sells them in their lineup.
Will very interesting test indeed. Can I say if you use the UMP thinner chart MM acrylic is a 35% mix thinner so a 50% would make it thinner. So seeing if 35% mix is thinner than Tamiya or equal too. Tamiya may need a few more % mix to match the %0/50 MM mix. Just another test that would make it a little more clear. UMP have different recommended mixes so it would be appropriate other thinners will work too if portions are correct. Not including lacquer thinners. Sorry for late reply only found your page and enjoying greatly great work work
No worries. Glad you are enjoying my stuff. As for thinning ratios, even Paul will tell you that those are just guidelines and your results may vary. Figure out what ratios get you the results you want and just run with it. Being consistent from project to project is what's important.
Last night I wanted to play with my airbrush and I rarely use MM acrylics. Anyway, I stirred up one of the bottles really well, mixed the paint with Testors acrylic thinner and had nothing but problems from the very beginning. I thinned it some more and it still didn’t work. I finally had it so thin that it was running even when spraying it onto a paper plate. I dumped the paint out, shot acetone through it to clean it out good, took the same paint, only this time I used acetone to thin it. It sprayed like a dream. Not once did the nozzle clog, no spatters, nothing. It worked just like it’s supposed to. I have no clue why it didn’t work with Testors acrylic thinner, but it sure worked fine with acetone. And this has nothing to do with MM acrylics, but I did find it interesting. I watched a gentleman reduce his acrylics with Windex. That was pretty surprising to me. I’d never heard of that being used for a reducer, but it worked, he sprayed the paint onto a piece of paper and it sprayed just fine. Anyway, I’ll stick with Tamiya acrylics and their lacquer thinner for my models.
I started out using the Testors thinner for my Model Master paints, but after trying them with Tamiya X-20A, last summer, I like the results better with the latter.
Hi ,i would like to ask you about the cleaner if it is ok with you ,i have mr color leveling thinner but how much am i supposed to dilute the paint ,if i am painting aircrafts or tank or trucks for example ? 50 /50 or other ratio,how do you think and what is accordingly to you the best dilution ratio?Thank you :)
Hello, i have some questions: I work with Vallejo acrylic colors and looking for a good linewash (black). Is it possible to simply dilute the acyl color? Can I also use oilpaint for this?
Hi Will..... Where do you buy the Ultimate Airbrush Thinner here in the States? Unfortunately, I'm in a VERY weak hobby store area (other than Hobby Lobby and Michael's) and even online it seems hard to find. Any help would be appreciated!
The only paint available to me is x-20A, and i have vallejo model air, tamiya, and model master paint, and the model master seems pretty thin already out of the container. Would distilled water work with model master? Overall which one of those would work best? Should i use tamiya, model master, or vallejo air?
Omg so many mistakes. Using a water base paint with lacquer thinner, What did you expected? Even airbrush users know you cant mix a water base paint with lacquer! you can do it with tamiya and leveling thinner, but no other combination was found. What hack! It seems you are trying to promote the 1st thinner. Are they paying you to say shit?
omg so much dumbfuck. there are actually several "normal acrylics" that you can do this with, not to mention mr. hobby and akrc. go educate yourself, or is somebody paying you to make stupid comments? lol
@@barpfoto normal acrylics? Never bought normal acrylics, but water base and lacquer. They are not meant to be mix. If some brands you can do that why dont show that then smartass? What hack hahahahahaha
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Very interesting test Will. However, I will have to test it myself, because of cross contamination with your dropper and mixing stick. Thanks for sharing.
I like these experiments/tests better than just straight modelling videos. Sorta like the myth buster of the modelling world!
Hardware store lacquer thinner is industrial paint solvent, basically. Laquer thinner is good for lacquers, but when used on acrylics, (and many styrene plastics now are acrylic modified for stability and hardness) it practically melts it, its pretty "hot" stuff.
Sir,you just mixed all 5 products with your dropper,should you have at least rinsed it first?just sayin,because I noticed just a bit stayed every time you dipped into another product..
I use flat and gloss MM acrylics with mr hobby leveling thinner and get great results. Both go down incredibly smooth. I tried x20a originally and it did not work nearly as well.
would not have used the same dropper for each test. residue from each thinner is present each time this way.
Great test. You answered my question.
Thanks.
Another useful test. I swear by x20a but I ran out recently and had heard ipa and screenwash could be used. I was doubtful but gave it a go with tamiya paint and it works flawlessly.
Armour Empire ,I always wondered,what is screenwash and ipa?
@@anthonyjmartinez4983 Windex/glass cleaner and Isopropyl Alcohol.
Very informative, thank you! Get well soon.
that was great Will. Thank you for experimenting. Hope your cold goes soon.
I use Tamiya X-20A exclusively with "MM Acryl" and Tamiya paints and have experienced no probs.. at my end !
Thanks for the experiment thou ! interesting results.....
+Norm Lajoie yeah, it didn't seem to cause any problems, but wasn't as strong a reducer as the ump.
So Ultimate Airbrush Cleaner (H2O + alcohol) and Tamiya Acrylic Thinner (H2O + alcohol) work best to thin acrylic paint. Sounds like we can save alot of money by just using water and alcohol! THANKS!!
My experience, hardware store paint thinner works with these paints, even for clean up.
I agree with the comments of using the same dropper. But the conclusion will be likely the same...I wish I saw this video before I decided to clog my airbrush with a 50-50 ratio of Mr Color & paint
First of all, however, you have left them sitting for a while, Tamiya is "hotter" than the others, not that it is best for the MM paint, however, Tamiya though acrylic is not the same as MM from what I've read. Tamiya states clearly on their website that their x20 can be used but that the Tamiya Lacquer thinner is also good for thinning their acrylics. I use the Lacquer thinner and it provides an excellent finish, they do not get thicker as your test showed for using Tamiya Lacquer thinner with MM. I'd guess the carrier on the MM is not the same as the Tamiya. There is a difference between acrylics. Remember, Mission Models for instance clearly states they are water based, but if you look up Tamiya, its clearly a Lacquer based paint. So it proves I won't be using Tamiya Lacquer thinner for MM paint, but I will try rubbing alcohol of different % until I find the right fit. I figure tge70% may offer a slower drying time or a much level glossy finish.
TESTORS has a chart that recommends thinning Acryl 30% with their thinner, so 50% may be just right, for Wills setup, I'm going to try 30% just cause I'm a minimalist.
Hi Will. Have you ever had issues with Model Master Paints ? For some reason all three of my new Model Master Acrylic paints peel when they been dried for over a week after being airbrushed and thinned with Model Master Acrylic thinner. What am I doing wrong? I used Tamiya masking tape on it after it’s fully dried and all three colors peeled or flakes off. Is it because I didn’t use a primer ? My other paints such as Tamiya work and stick fine. Is it because I thinned too much? Thanks.
Def cause no primer.
I've found the flat Acryl colours thin and spray well with Tamiya thinner but the semi gloss ones just won't spray properly at all either too thin or too thick and spit all over the place with the airbrush..Leslie
Very useful info..I grew disappointed of Tamiya acrylics..I've used a mix of Iso-alcohol and distilled water (50/50) *per other youtuber modeler ...but no results..Tried to paint the faces of 1/35 scale figures the whole thing turned into a mess..! Thanks for the experiment..
+El Diablo seems consistent with things I've heard. I haven't brush painted with any… but I have heard that tamiya isn't much good for it.
I thank you for the reply..!! I bought a large collection of them, but never used them before....I swore; they look so rich and creamy and so good...I was ready to take a swig of my favorite color...XF-50..Until I started using them..what a disappointment...I guess it's time to go back and get other brand...thanks again!
Hi Will, I'm curious about that "ULTIMATE AIRBRUSH THINNER" product, do you know the chemical composition of this product?
Nice experiment. I've got just a few Model Masters left and a bottle of Mr. Leveling thinner so I'm going to give it a shot...on the undercarriage lol...just in case.
Can someone tell what's the exact name of this color please?
Will what paint do you use now after modelmaster acrylic is gone? If you want the wery same colours and colour codes Italeri sells them in their lineup.
I use isopropyl rubbing alcohol and it works just fine
Will very interesting test indeed.
Can I say if you use the UMP thinner chart MM acrylic is a 35% mix thinner so a 50% would make it thinner. So seeing if 35% mix is thinner than Tamiya or equal too. Tamiya may need a few more % mix to match the %0/50 MM mix. Just another test that would make it a little more clear.
UMP have different recommended mixes so it would be appropriate other thinners will work too if portions are correct. Not including lacquer thinners.
Sorry for late reply only found your page and enjoying greatly great work work
No worries. Glad you are enjoying my stuff. As for thinning ratios, even Paul will tell you that those are just guidelines and your results may vary. Figure out what ratios get you the results you want and just run with it. Being consistent from project to project is what's important.
will pattison is there an email address that I can reach you at
Last night I wanted to play with my airbrush and I rarely use MM acrylics. Anyway, I stirred up one of the bottles really well, mixed the paint with Testors acrylic thinner and had nothing but problems from the very beginning. I thinned it some more and it still didn’t work. I finally had it so thin that it was running even when spraying it onto a paper plate. I dumped the paint out, shot acetone through it to clean it out good, took the same paint, only this time I used acetone to thin it. It sprayed like a dream. Not once did the nozzle clog, no spatters, nothing. It worked just like it’s supposed to. I have no clue why it didn’t work with Testors acrylic thinner, but it sure worked fine with acetone. And this has nothing to do with MM acrylics, but I did find it interesting. I watched a gentleman reduce his acrylics with Windex. That was pretty surprising to me. I’d never heard of that being used for a reducer, but it worked, he sprayed the paint onto a piece of paper and it sprayed just fine. Anyway, I’ll stick with Tamiya acrylics and their lacquer thinner for my models.
I started out using the Testors thinner for my Model Master paints, but after trying them with Tamiya X-20A, last summer, I like the results better with the latter.
+International British Modeler cool. what ratios are working for you?
60/40 (Paint/Thinner) for most work, except for highlighting and exhaust/oil stains, I thin down more to about 20/80
Very advanced thoughts and process of testing various thinners... Just wanna know which of these thinners is N. C. based?
Hi ,i would like to ask you about the cleaner if it is ok with you ,i have mr color leveling thinner but how much am i supposed to dilute the paint ,if i am painting aircrafts or tank or trucks for example ? 50 /50 or other ratio,how do you think and what is accordingly to you the best dilution ratio?Thank you :)
Do they attack the plastic cup itself? I think so
why don't you get your thinner from testor, it is made for their own paint. TSTRS 3PK 4OZ ACRLC ARBRSH THINNER
4 OZ
Hello, i have some questions: I work with Vallejo acrylic colors and looking for a good linewash (black). Is it possible to simply dilute the acyl color? Can I also use oilpaint for this?
acrylic do not make good washes. stick to oils thinned with mineral spirits.
Hi Will..... Where do you buy the Ultimate Airbrush Thinner here in the States? Unfortunately, I'm in a VERY weak hobby store area (other than Hobby Lobby and Michael's) and even online it seems hard to find. Any help would be appreciated!
hobbyworld-usa.com
@@barpfoto Thank you, sir!
The only paint available to me is x-20A, and i have vallejo model air, tamiya, and model master paint, and the model master seems pretty thin already out of the container. Would distilled water work with model master? Overall which one of those would work best? Should i use tamiya, model master, or vallejo air?
it might. easy to test.
Why you try to thin acrylic paint with laquer thinner?? Acrylics are no laquers...
it's a thing. a number of the acrylic model paint lines thin very well with lacquer thinner and perform much better.
tamiya acrylics can, and in most cases people use tamiya lacquer thinner instead of x20a.
You can't thin acrylic paints with laquer thinner.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
sell out
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Omg so many mistakes. Using a water base paint with lacquer thinner, What did you expected? Even airbrush users know you cant mix a water base paint with lacquer! you can do it with tamiya and leveling thinner, but no other combination was found. What hack! It seems you are trying to promote the 1st thinner. Are they paying you to say shit?
omg so much dumbfuck. there are actually several "normal acrylics" that you can do this with, not to mention mr. hobby and akrc. go educate yourself, or is somebody paying you to make stupid comments? lol
@@barpfoto normal acrylics? Never bought normal acrylics, but water base and lacquer. They are not meant to be mix. If some brands you can do that why dont show that then smartass? What hack hahahahahaha
@@brunoseyzo2110 you obviously don't know shit about paint. watch my channel so you can learn, son. LOL
@@brunoseyzo2110 Bruno you have a closed and stubborn brain.