Why was Ham cursed (Gen
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- Why was Ham cursed (Gen 9:21-25)? Who was Noah's wife?
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Wasn't it Canaan, Ham's son who was actually cursed?
Might it be he was a child of that incident and was cursed so that he could not claim to be a child of Noah and get an equal inheritance? I think I heard someone claim that.
Well yeah because a child was born out of that,and that child is canaan he cursed the incest child
Yup he's espositing
But then why do the two brothers walk backwards to cover their father so that they might not see his nakedness?
Indeed
Yup
Perhaps it was a latter addition done on a manuscript in an attempt to make sense of what was written. These things are found often in the Bible
Excellent, this is the position I subscribe to. It would not be out of the realm of possibility if Noah had two wives as well.
What does that have to do with Noah's garment covered by Shem and Japheth then, if it meant incest with the mother?
Ever been in a men's locker or changing room? Think about that for a moment. There's no prohibition or shame in other men seeing a naked man, not in our culture and not in theirs, especially if there is no one but family around. Indeed, Shem and Japheth, take the garment, and walk into the tent backwards so as not to see Noah's nakedness. These precautions would only be necessary if a woman was involved. In other words, Noah's wife was still drunk, naked, and could be seen from the outside of the tent. Common sense needs to apply here.
@@ancientegyptandthebibleSo essentially Ham took advantage of Noah's drunk wife?
@@kwameadu0075 Yes, exactly.
@ancientegyptandthebible Interesting parallel to Lot and his daughters. Also Reuben and Bilhah.
@ancientegyptandthebible as someone with ancient days in his username, I would think you be more well versed in the seriousness of exposing one's nakedness in the days of Noah. We're not talking about locker room gimmicks here: these were the earliest years after creation, where the first thing Adam and Eve realized after sinning was that they were naked. It was - and still is, in most cases - an immense shame to reveal your naked body in those days. It's not some trivial experience that one would brush off as if nothing happened. And, for that matter, even Jesus was likely completely naked while crucified on the cross. It should not be taken lightly, and I reject your hermeneutics.
I gotta disagree with you here. Genesis 9:22 says that Ham _saw_ his father's nakedness. Leviticus refers to _uncovering_ one's nakedness. It also flows better with the following verse where Shem and Japheth respond by taking a garment and covering their father's nakedness.
I just double-checked the Hebrew. The word in Genesis is (רָאָה raah; to see) whereas Leviticus uses (לְגַלּ֣וֹת galah; to uncover).
@@frogpaste Think about that for a moment. Indeed, Shem and Japheth, take the garment, and walk into the tent backwards so as not to see Noah's nakedness. These precautions would only be necessary if a woman was involved. They need to do this because Noah's wife is still drunk and naked.
@@ancientegyptandthebible Well, I have no doubt Noah had a _good time_ while he was drunk, 😁 but does that necessarily mean that Ham joined in on the fun?
I think the strongest part of the case that Ham had intercourse with Noah's wife is that Noah curses Ham's son instead of Ham. However, we also see that the Lord visits the iniquity of the fathers onto the children (Exodus 34:7).
I could be wrong, but I just don't see it. 🤷♂️
@@frogpaste You might not see, but the text doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise. But hey, if you don't see it, you don't see it. And I will admit it can be difficult for Western eyes to see it.
@@ancientegyptandthebible Fair enough.😁 Looking forward to tomorrow's livestream!
I thought Ham was not cursed, rather his son, Canaan.
Ham was cursed through his son Canaan because of the illegitimacy of the birth.
@@ancientegyptandthebible No he wasn't You heretic Only Canaan was cursed and he was the youngest and 4th son of Ham . and canna was wiped out . Actually Read scripture ......
@@joeyiwuajoku3394bro,its obvious ham had s3x with noahs wife and canaan was the incest child that came out of the Rap3 .that why he cursed canaan for being a incest baby. Do you have common sense?
But Ham wasn’t cursed. His son Canaan was.
Ok but that still means black ppl are cursed 😂😂😂 it’s really not that hard to tell. Look around bro.. it’s pretty obvious y’all a cursed people.
The reason cannon was cursed instead of ham is because in the Bible it says that God blessed Noah and his sons so ham couldn't be cursed by noha since he was already blessed by God so he cursed cannon since cannon is not his son but rather hams
@jordanbrown7803
Soon why he curse cannan
Not kush
Who was the older if ham
Or not mizraim
Or pot
Why only cannan
Instead of other sons of ham
Some say it was a homesexual act on noah?
Canaan was cursed not Ham. They used that for racism and the catholic church sanctioned slavery. They all are from N. Africa Egypt.
100% right well said
Na your espositing because they walked backwards with a cover to cover his naked body,
Thank you for giving the true explanation....🙏🏾❤
I thought it meant that since Ham is like that, it’s a curse for the youngest children because the oldest are going to opress him because they’re bigger. And he’s saying « let him come under Shem and Japgeths influence because he can’t get his qs from him, he could get them from them. »
Fascinating!
Makes more sense why Noah would curse Canaan , since it was hams son with Noah's wife
The curse of Ham mentioned as a curse, so?? Whether Jesus was black or white, depending on the bibliography of content you read. Could be difficult to say.
Makes sense
I propose a different theory. It says that Noah cursed canaan not God. Therefore i think what it's talking about when it says canaan is to be a servant of his brothers is that in the newly formed social hierarchy being established in this new covenant, his lineage is socially punished for shaming his father or attempting to. Punishing your own family and making them become your slaves wasnt an uncommon practice during those times either.
Liar. Ham isn’t cursed. Old YT mans tale 💡
Noah curses Ham through his son Canaan. That is Biblical fact.
@@ancientegyptandthebible No scripture says they did it that way. Give me the scripture 💡 lol. Moses was was from Egypt line of ham lol. Genesis. 10. 2. Through. 5 kjv says Europeans and Arabs are Gentiles including Ashkenaz. And as we all know in Germany the name was changed to Ashkenazi 💡. Line of Japheth gentiles 🤫
@@factsoverfear9771 🤪
@@ancientegyptandthebible Being a so called professional that is your response ? I have the Talmud or israel own earlier encyclopedias if you like if which race is real 💡. We are fully studied and waking up in the thousands daily into who we are 👍🏽. I’ll give you Bible proof or other proofs if you like 💡. Hmmm. Are you Sephardic ? I have proof of that also
@@factsoverfear9771 I think you have a screw loose. If you are representing a community of people with loose screws, they don't know their history either.
wow! very novel
Read your word again wrong information misinterpreted
Making these BS claims without sources is very telling...and your explanation doesn't make any sense, because the very next verse talks about Shem and his brother covering their father...how do you explain that?
> and your explanation doesn't make any sense, because the very next verse talks about Shem and his brother covering their father...how do you explain that?
Because Shem and Jephthah are covering up Noah's drunk, naked, and exposed wife. The text doesn't say that the sons were covering their father. The text says the sons were covering the "nakedness of their father." Again, this is all euphemistic language for seeing his father's naked wife and even having sex with her. In Middle Eastern culture, as well as our own, men seeing the nudity of other man carries no shame. Ever been in a men's changing room at a public pool?
@@ancientegyptandthebible the text doesn't even mention the wife. You are teaching false doctrines and pulling things out of your imagination to make it fit your narrative. It's a very simple, straight forward lesson about morality. But you want to spread lies about the Word. There is a special place in hell reserved for false teachers.
Cultures change, and there is vast differences in cultures around the world today. Seeing a woman's ankle, or a man's elbow, was considered indecent 150 years ago, but people are naked at the white house these days... Try again, your bullshit makes no sense
@jacktheaviator4938 u ignored his argument completely. He never claimed it mentioned the wife.
Yea it was with Noah you know this his wife is not mentioned through Gen 9 21 through 29
@@Greedy1408 no just because his wife wasn’t mentioned it doesn’t mean she wasn’t there
@@zach2382you can excuse anything, it's euphemism to know someone, places hand on thigh, nakedness & washing of feet in context tho. Are all euphemisms for sex. God: An Anatomy is one source
@@Greedy1408 it’s a high context culture they will just assume that the wife was with him
@@zach2382 of course it's all love
@@Greedy1408 I don’t think you understand what I’m saying but whatever
If that´s the case, the continuation of story makes no sense. They spesificaly walk in backwards in order to NOT SEE the thing Ham saw. If Noah´s wife had been shamed in this way, what does a piece of cloth help? The lady should be capable of clothing herself without the men.
Not if she's stone cold drunk and she's sprawled out across the floor of the tent. The other brothers walking backwards to cover her was intended to not increase the shame. You are thinking like a Westerner.
@@ancientegyptandthebible like most people in this western religion based on a book nobody understands… 🤔
@@lohikaarmeherra-1753 Spoken like a true Baptist... 🤣
@@ancientegyptandthebible are you already tired of being ignored/shunned as a ”scribe/pharisee”, out to distort word of god?
@@lohikaarmeherra-1753 Nah, it never gets old... 😂
Why did you have to go to Leviticus to explain what happened in Genesis? Where in Genesis can this be explained?
Because the two texts are contemporaneous and Genesis doesn't explain it because the author expects you to also know Leviticus as well as the general cultural context of the day. That's why.
"And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto _him_ ".
I don't think it has anything at all to do with the wife. She is not mentioned at all here. Noah knew what Ham had done TO HIM.
Sleeping with Noah's wife WAS DOING SOMETHING UNTI NOAH. It disgraced Noah. You have to think the way people in the ancient days thought
@@CT-316 "When he woke... he knew..."
@@Giant_Meteor you can keep quoting the Bible all you want, cuz you assume I don't know the text. I do. And that text in no way disproves the point. He awoke and he knew... That Ham slept with his wife. Why is that so controversial?
@@CT-316 I am not assuming to know what you do or do not know, or have or have not considered, as you have done toward me. I cited the text, only because it seems to me pretty self-evident and obviously implied with these words, not because I am trying to belittle you, as you seem to suspect.
My view is in accord with ancient Jewish thought on the matter, the other main ancient interpretation having to do with Noah having been castrated.
If, while you are drunk, you are unaware that you are being molested, in the moment you wake, you do know. But you do not, in your waking moment _know_ what was done to someone else... that is something you discover.
Best of luck to you. I will not press the matter further.
Sad to see a scholar answer a false statement that question is so loaded it shot us into slavery. Smh
Nobody was shot into slavery based upon that statement. Slavery existed long before there even was a Bible.
@ancientegyptandthebible if you don't know what I mean let me clarify; When your ancestors had us enthralled in the transatlantic and then antebellum slavery one of the false narratives they used was that we was destined to be slaves based on Ham being cursed and we (black ppl) being thier descendants are inheritors of the same curse. Well not only are black ppl Ham and Shem, the curse was actually put on Canaan and not Ham. So when I hear you explain the curse of Ham you come across as ignorant or continuing the lie through non clarification
@@gideonyardenyisrael7587
> if you don't know what I mean let me clarify; When your ancestors had us enthralled in the transatlantic and then antebellum slavery...
What are you talking about? So if you don't know, let me clarify. My ancestors never enslaved anyone in the transatlantic or antebellum slave trade. None of my ancestors had never even set foot on North America prior to AD 1900 and even then I have no relatives who ever lived in the United States. I am not even a citizen of the USA.
> ... one of the false narratives they used was that we was destined to be slaves based on Ham being cursed and we (black ppl) being thier descendants are inheritors of the same curse.
The "curse of Ham" as justification of keeping people enslaved has indeed a dark history. But that wasn't used to make people slaves, rather it was used (particularly by Mormons) to keep people enslaved. But this is why sound Biblical interpretation is important. It helps to show why the "curse of Ham (or Canaan)" cannot be used to justify slavery. You see, anything can be taken out of context or distorted to perpetuate great evil. Just because people distort what things mean, does not mean the original isn't worth examination.
> Well not only are black ppl Ham and Shem, the curse was actually put on Canaan and not Ham. So when I hear you explain the curse of Ham you come across as ignorant or continuing the lie through non clarification
Technically, it was a curse on Ham's posterity for the actions Ham did. That is why it is called the "curse of Ham" as well as the "curse of Canaan." That is not a matter of ignorance. It is a matter of understanding who was being punished and why. In the ancient world, to curse someone's posterity is to curse that person himself. That's just understanding the ancient Near Eastern context of the passage.
@ancientegyptandthebible Technically it was not a curse on Ham's posterity. If one was to disseminate the scripture correctly the curse stated that Canaan would be a slave to his brothers, so how could a curse be placed on Ham's posterity when in fact it's Hams sons who are to be the oppressors to Canaan. Again scripture is to never be misunderstood bc when it is it results in the damaging of the kinnesit now I can recall watching your videos and gleaning useful info so don't think this is an attack on you per se just your understanding of a part of scripture that has been used as a tool against my people. That's all and all I can do is pray truth comes from this.
What are u saying?
BS
Genesis 3:21 - Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Jasher 7:25-26 - For after the death of Adam and his wife, the garments were given to Enoch, the son of Jared, and when Enoch was taken up to God, he gave them to Methuselah, his son. And at the death of Methuselah, Noah took them and brought them to the ark, and they were with him until he went out of the ark.
Genesis 9:24-25 - And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Jasher 7:27 - And in their going out, Ham stole those garments from Noah his father, and he took them and hid them from his brothers.
Genesis 10:6 - And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
Jasher 7:24 - And the garments of skin which God made for Adam and his wife, when they went out of the garden, were given to Cush.
Jasher 7:28 - And when Ham begat his first born Cush, he gave him the garments in secret, and they were with Cush many days.
Genesis 10:8-10 - And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.
Jasher 7:29-31 - And Cush also concealed them from his sons and brothers, and when Cush had begotten Nimrod, he gave him those garments through his love for him, and Nimrod grew up, and when he was twenty years old he put on those garments. And Nimrod became strong when he put on the garments, and God gave him might and strength, and he was a mighty hunter in the earth, yea, he was a mighty hunter in the field, and he hunted the animals and he built altars, and he offered upon them the animals before the Lord. And Nimrod strengthened himself, and he rose up from amongst his brethren, and he fought the battles of his brethren against all their enemies round about.
The text of the so-called Book of Jasher is a 18th-century literary fake.