DaBaby Is NOT Blackballed, People Don't Like Him | Joe Budden Responds
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That boy fell off talking about he’s black balled. He thought he that he can do what he wanted thinking he wasn’t gonna lose fans with his antics
Facts
Hes just not that good. Has nothing to do with antics
you should be able to do what you want fans and internet should never dictate an artist actions thoughts etc. falling off means your music got bad. yawl take falling off as the masses isn't checking for you so i wont either as they dictate my taste in music.
Big facts. Crazy part is, he’ll probably never see it this way himself.
Dj akademiks literally proves how he is being blackballed. Y’all just don’t like dude so of course y’all gonna say he’s not blackballed
Negativity always followed Da Baby. From insulting/assaulting fans, being disrespectful to the mother of his child, and just plain always seeking attention, his career was destined for failure. He felt that he was untouchable. Smh
This is it. Especially how he treated his baby mama he lost a majority of his female fan base.
Next he lost his LGBQT/regular fans with the aids comment.
Lastly his attitude not to just admitting he fucked up. He lost more fans.
Hammer in the coffin is lack of progression with his sound.
Bro killed his own career.
@@KC-cb7ov 👍🏾
Man ain't none of them hoes cared about how he treated her. They pulled the plug after the rolling loud stunt
Like every other rap artist lol
@@Gemini_74 🤣🤣🤣
I remember Dababy saying he can’t be canceled and believed it lol
His flash in the pan moment had him feeling like a superstar, and he realistically never grew as an artist since his success came so quickly. Blame his team, they aren’t helping at allllll
This! People kill me with this weirdo conspiracy theories. He was never meant to be a long-time artist.
Not at all sir! Yall need to start holding him accountable. People don't like him because he's problematic and just all around not likeable for many reasons...too many to list!
@@brittanymichelle4739 I never said that’s not a part of it.
Sounds like you describing a lot of these new artists cough cough Meg
This take is amazing
Yall need to start holding dababy accountable. People don't like him because he's problematic and just all around not likeable for many reasons...too many to list!
A lot of these industry commentators are afraid to be blunt and call a spade a spade when it comes to DaBaby because they're afraid he'll "bee bop boop" upside their head. Even Ice's voice sounded a little shaky while speaking the truth. DaBaby got everybody afraid (except women & gays).
@Daddy Mack ive come to understand ppl interpret what they want no matter what is said to them
Facts
DAbaby think he 2pac
Why would we need to hold him accountable ? We’re just fans 😂😂 he a grown ass man. He knows what he’s doing. People like you are actually making him stay relevant believe it or not
Ice was correct. I’ve felt like this about dababy forever.
facts
100 percent correct. Those are the allegations people used to throw at Migos and Future and those "mumble" rappers. But they give different flows, different beats, some sort of evolution. He has zero evolution to anything he does, including his own antics.
I hated that they kept bringing up other producers and artists to shut him down but he was saying THIS producer and THIS artists sound too much the same together and he was right because like yall I feel the same way.
Ice was definitely right and today’s attention span for music is so short now. The sound gets old quick
Baby is trash & his arrogance was his demise.Never got into his music
“Boo Bap” tour is hilarious!😂😂😂
I think he can rebound but I definitely think this is more of a character issue than anything else
or he can just be trash
100 percent yo
@@soldadojose411 exactly. Mofos act like ppl don't still listen to R Kelly or Rick Ross
@@tdup191 I think both can be true. He can for sure rap. But his music hasn't really grown like that. But his character also sucks, he needs to stay out of trouble as well.
no, it's more everyone else character. rappers don't like rappers that have proven credibility. because they know they could never get out of line with them. they never liked him, they feared him. they was waiting for this type of moment to send him back where he came from. name a rapper that ever got asked about dababy and didn't act like they was cosigning him. where are they now?
Da baby need more songs like rockstar cuz he do got that same cadence 90% of the time
That song was promo heavy he doesn’t have that same support
Facts from Joe. 😂 “Boo-Bap Tour”. He was knocking people out in every city tho. Lol
😂
His sercurity was
🤣🤣🤣
@@melvinyoung2264 that part
Him & his security was 🥴🤣 punching on his fans and shit. I would never wanna see that nigga in person lol especially if I was a fan.
DaBaby had a run, and its faded. Its like if Kanye would have stayed with the College Dropout theme for 5 plus years. You have to evolve as an artist because once people hear the same stuff over and over again then its only a matter of time before they get tired. The antics and comments just intensified it. Look at Youngboy, he's still selling because he has a hardcore fanbase.
I never caught on to Dababy, After I seen his personality.... It all made sense lol
You can have the same flow and be successful it’s really your personality. Ross had the same flow but we say he mastered making luxury music
We say pusha mastered drug dealing art
YB beats are all similar and not a single fan complains
Dababy personality went south
Pusha T switches flows AT LEAST 😂 “My Name Is My Name” is Classic
Pusha has a different audience tho. His music is more about dope lyrics than relying on creating hits like DaBaby.
I was JUST thinkin like um if fans are getting tired of “the same sound”, that kinda puts alotta artist in trouble innit? Don’t think that’s it at all..
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YB personality is shit too. It’s not that simple.
Thank you! They said exactly what I’ve been saying. He started feeling himself and thinking he’s untouchable. He was doing dumb shit and ppl just stopped liking him.
Basically. I did listen to him and then he just opening his mouth..
And not even only that that HIV comment did it for him... that offended people who don't even have it that may have a family member or a friend they're struggling from it can't bite the hand that feeds you half of the people with HIV was probably buying your records until you said that
"Hold up Jetson made the same one" is HILARIOUS!!!🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
Lol, he did 😂😭😭😭
The antics then the music. Plenty of rappers have the SAME production team. His BIGGEST fanbase was black women....once he lost them (by antics), it was started looking dimmer and dimmer. Bruh got too cocky and too comfortable.
Joe’s beard is matching his clothes 😂
I tried to root for the DaBaby on the fact of him not being a teen or early twenty something artist in a genre ruled by the youth.
Honestly, the incident killed him. He made good filler radio music, that's what he was good for. When he talked about those people on stage, he lost all the radio support. When they took him off the radio, what he was good for and where people heard his music to bring him into conversation, he was gone.
Yup, every album before the latest had full radio backing. Since that incident the only place I see his music promoted is youtube.
His own words got him in the predicament...it wasn't a incident not accident...he spoke with conviction when he said that ignorant 💩...idk how he figured that would hype the crowd a real rapper a real mc would know how to talk the crowd to get it popping leading into the set list of songs would know how to get the crowd hype and participate in the vibe
Those people? Could’ve just said gay people
Good adjustment
@@carldessasure3238 im oretry sure he was talking shit about all kinds of people. But the gay comment HIV is ehat did him in with the enterainment industry and sponsors.
Joe is right that people before had a longer run than Dababy with the same flow on every track but Joe of all people should know that was a different time of people. The average persons attention span is shorter and music is consumed like fast food now. Basically people get tired of a fad quicker today than eras before
Nba young boy, lil durk, the whole drill seen is the same song over and over again
@@branflakee4257 not durk
When you make timeless music it speaks for itself
Joe is still right despite your point which is also right - the connection between your points is those people who had that same "flow" were LIKED very well.
but the difference between the baby sounding the same and other ppl is the production. most literally have the same style and flow but the songs dont all sound the same and they have different themes and vibes. literally almost every dababy song sounds the same. sometimes even like its just 1 continuous song. he does alot better when theres features and stuff because alot of time its other peoples projects.
Joe is speaking from experience lmao.
😂😂 outta pocket
😂😆😂😆😆
Word lol
Pump it up
I agree. After he slapped that girl and his bm situation made me look at him differently
In an era where Kanye and NBA YoungBoy thrive…. You telling me DaBabys “antics” are the reason he not getting sales? 🤣🤣
Those 2 ppl you mentioned have a loyal fanbase. Dababy does not. At least not yet.
I think him working with YB has a lil bit to do with ppl not messing with him too.
Kanye and NBA YoungBoy aren't going on a tirade about marginalized groups, punching women in the chest and shooting multiple people in public. Lol this is a different set of antics.
Exactly
@@Musa-ut6ce Kanyé wasn't on a tirade about any marginalised groups/communities? What about the 'Slavery was a choice' comment? Or the fact that he was just recently with Candice Owens and they both wore 'White Lives Matter' Hoodies.
The chemistry between him a megan on a song was golden it worked each time. The beats he raps over and the way he raps is redundant but you can say that about a lot rappers but he is wearing off, he needs something new in his arsenal, dont know what it is
Actually seeing Parks is just weird to me at this point😂
Yea, it feels awkward
Riiightt!
@@hsaitoh9790 they should’ve left him in the abyss
@@LeanieSigel facts
He look outta place … his body doesn’t fit in with the pod
He can comeback…he just has to grow as an artist. Listening to Baby on Baby 2 was like getting attacked with the same beat and flow. Or atleast, go in on the hooks. No black balling, album is just trash
He’s done. He will never reach that height of fame again. Dude could’ve changed the game as an independent artist and he threw it away smh.
“Jetson made the same one “is odee😂😂😂
Fisrt let me say, Da Baby does have music that i definitely messed with. But why is it so hard to say that is time is over. Who said he was gonna be a generational great. Lets really think about it, every generation has a handful of great that can trancend time and can stick around for more generations. He's just not that guy.
Truthfully in my opinion, he captured a moment in time. There are plenty of artists that did that in the 90s and 2000s. For a certain generation this might be our 1st, 2nd or 3rd rerun, for the more vocal of the culture, its our first time seeing this happen to an artist.
And he from Charlotte which it’s hard to make out of I think he needs to change his flow a little but when his music comes on you no it’s da baby he doesn’t sound like no one else hope he gets it together
Facts, it’s okay not to be #1 because everybody can’t be that! Reminds me of how everyone dismisses boxers after they lose one or two fights smh…
The boop boop tour 😂
Dababy doesn’t have a core fanbase. 90% of his listeners were casual fans who just followed the wave and listened to what playlist pumped to him.
Now…he no longer has and wave & less platforms are playlisting him, we now see his REAL numbers and supporters, which only made up 10% of his previous album sales.
So kind of black balled. Promoting him on playlists is a PR issue
“You can’t give me 6 suges in a row” 😂
If he gon move like 50 Cent then he needs put out 50 Cent quality music
Fif was hot before the internet too, that plays a big factor. Everybody on social media has a voice
@@user-xb4fm5rx8h True he was bigger-than-life in a way back then, internationally known and all that. Don't know how well known DaBaby is but he's not on that level popularity-wise and never has been.
You can't manipulate the crowd's response to an artist on stage !!
His album sounded like he made the whole thing in a day
The back tracking that started when they realized he still had rolling loud is crazy😂😂
😂
Honestly i think everyone got turned off when he tried to publicly humiliate the mother of his child. Not to mention, after she JUST had his baby. People don't support that ish. When we sniff a person true colors it turns people off from listening to whatever message your rapping/ singing about. This woman JUST got out the hospital, you try to put her out, call the cops on her, and call her a sidechick (all with a idc, childish attitude) and then you wanna drop a song/ album and think we wanna run to it? Along with what they said, the music isn't great enough to overlook what you done. And he's so childish it's a turn off. You live and you learn
Da baby is better as a feature because he's forced to go on different beats than the same ones he would select. And the other artists make him elevate a little bit. Left to his own devices all his songs are clones of one another.
"You can't give me 6 Suges in a row" - Ice 😅🤣🤣
Ish*
DaBaby "popped off" because his videos were autoplay advertisements on TH-cam. I'm not sure if TH-cam changed the rules or what, but I stopped seeing *entire* songs as advertisements and just like that he and Tom McDonald fell off.
Same with Blueface and nba youngboy. They attacked me on TH-cam ads and got millions of views. But what, really, is any different about these guys? They not that interesting or creative
Just a bunch of filler rapper
@@blackmcbain3145 YB got fan base though. He does well for himself that the difference. Dababy doesn’t have a core fan base
I didn't know them through YT. It was their antics that got me knowing them.
He is a grown ass man who calls himself Dababy. His shelf life was always going to be short lol
I said the same thing! He ain’t blackballed, folks just ain’t fu-king with him no more! And when he did that public humiliation to Dani Leigh, I think that’s what really turned the masses against him.
Agreed. Cause after the homophobic deal and he wasn't canceled I was surprised. But you can't be doin women dirty so proudly and the majority of your supporters are that
yep that did it for me as a woman he putting his bm and newborn out to a hotel by them selves was extremely DANGEROUS and very callous hearted so yeah his time is up and I mean that sh*+😠😡
It’s a difference between having real fans or ppl who like a couple of your songs it’s a difference. I think ppl are fans of you and your music they’ll will support if they only like a few songs it’s gonna b a challenge
Exactly artist like Cole, Tyler, vince staples,Russ, even YB have a core fan base so they’ll always be good
@@supremeuchia1287 Dababy was never likable. He started off with realness that turned into a guy with a problem. Yak and Gucci always were in trouble but it was some understandable street dude trouble. Dababy's drama became corny and unrelatable. Dababy's 24/7 tough guy persona is tired. Yak, Gucci, and Boosie are likeable and we can relate and emphasize with their situations. Dababy just seems to be a guy that likes trouble and doesn't seem like a good hang.
The problem isnt just that DaBaby sounds similar in projects, I enjoy the sound, I think the issue is the flow. The flow makes it very hard to absorb the words like a Russ, Jay Z, Drake, Ye, Etc. The sound is very very very very similar because he uses the same producer and he likes super simple beats. He needs to diversify lyrics and the flow needs to slow down or he needs straight heat for bars he must adapt. I think the antics made the public angry, but not enough to drop off in this way according to numbers
Musically, Da Baby and Meg the Stallion are the same, very repetitive, same flow, same subject matter, similar beats, etc. She's just more likable, so she gets a pass.
She also has better character, shows she cares about people besides herself, and doesn't humiliate less fortunate people on camera for fun. I bet a good portion of his "fans" were because of Meg, but he burnt that bridge too. You can't burn every bridge and then wonder why you aren't making sales. This is just the law of reciprocity showing it doesn't discriminate. He needs therapy-not another hit.
Plus I think Meg can be more approachable so she gets invited to late night talk shows and she was in the new Hulk show on Disney+. Hollywood likes her so they’re gonna push her.
You Are Absolutely Correct. I hav nothing to add further
Wait till that Tory case is over with
@@polarexpressnerd434 Roc. Nation will be doing overtime to maintain her image butt the internet will shit on her
The hardest skill to have is picking a good beat.
I think this is true for DaBaby and also Tory lanez.. Now the industry is full of people who aren't good at heart but these 2 guys constantly display it. They are both overly cocky and both feel the need to put hands on someone when they feel disrespected. Very corny individuals
Tory is being judged for a crime he hasn’t been convicted for while putting out quality music. It’s not the same as Da Baby at all
@@ZYaKnoe249 It's not even just the Meg thing with Tory, it's the thing with Drake, Travis Scott, the one rapper who dissed him (Rap diss comp, tory put out like a challenge at the time and was going back and fourth with Don q) he ran down and put hands on him with security, and August alsina, and Meg he just got a bad rep his actions speak louder than his words
@@l.a.dshine9466 yeah & im pretty sure he has a history of domestic violence with his exes. He’s straight 🗑
but see tory actually cold asl lol
I always laugh when he says “Aye when you gone switch the flow? I thought you’d never ask”
then he doesn’t change the flow
The ppl that buy his music aren’t offended by his antics. He just needs another hit to reignite some momentum.
Facts...50 tried to end Ross career but Ross put out great music and it propelled him...for an artist, great music will always be their greatest asset
@@CSmoothh You're talking facts. 50 tried to end The Game's career as well during the height of their beef but Game before Rick Ross counteract that by putting out what some would call classics and legendary beef records. The Game was the first guy that 50 couldn't finish off and ruined his career like 50 did with Ja Rule. I have respect for Rick Ross standing up to 50's industry bullying back in the day bc 50 back then was relentless against ross with 50 using his ex baby mother which was ugly and unnecessary.
I think the problem is not a lot ppl buy his music. A lot “big artist” like Dababy don’t have a core fan base so when the artist ain’t doing well you can really tell
Naw he is done lol I said this 2 years ago his music sounds the same so does lil baby
Not for me. I won’t support anymore.
(2) incident define his career. The rant on stage where he said some controversial things. And the incident with Dani Leigh . Just my opinion.
Not for nothin, parks been saying, “not for nothin” a whole lot lately.
Yo bruh yall just hit a million subs congrats 👏🏾👏🏾
Ice lost. Point missed. Joe 100% on target. A lot of ppl were saying that his sound was repetitive before the extras but it was still selling. The extras outweighed that is joes point. We’ve gotten 100000 “Suge’s” from 100000 artists for years with no interruption.
Which ones had the same song over and over and remained relevant for more than 3 years?
@@Musa-ut6ce I won’t because I’m not disagreeing that the sound is repetitive and 3 years is usually the limit for those acts. The discussion was around why DaBaby didn’t get to fulfill his full tenure. I believe that his issues outside of music did more damage to that than the repetition of a sound he was using. They talmbot Jetson makin’ another one (lol) like Mike Will didn’t literally give MF’s Band Will Make Her Dance 5011 times. Like literally. Same notes different bounce. And we all loved all of that shit. Still do.
Idec about the ignorant drama he gets into. He got the same flow in every song & talks about nothing with substance so that’s why I stopped listening
Tbf most artists don’t say shit of substance just “I’ll shoot this I’ll kill that, I’ll fuck your hoe and you’re not rich as me”
Truth be told,all he needs is another 🔥 Collab.
“Oh lawd jetson made the same one”🤣🤣
Let’s not forget how he treated his baby momma
Feels like they don't fully understand what he means by "his sound".. he means the entire package with DaBaby! I promise you I've always said that and I hear it continuously.. Like Pharrell has a sound, you know when you hear the Neptunes, but Jay and Pharrell sound totally different than Clipse and Pharrell.. he's saying the way Baby is interpreting the music continues to be the same, and I agree 100%!
Same cadence, same flow.. same topics, wordplay, wording etc etc.. doesn't mean the producer's beats are done.
Lmao Joe them real old heads now everybody sitting legs crossed 😂
He drops too music in a short timespan. To be so animated stamp yourself with a video with a Luda cameo(he don't have to rap on it).... Throw Busta and Red randomly in some videos for hip hop homage to get that stamp and protection.
This is his karma dat all
Congrats on 1m subscribers!!
Everybody saying that he raps the same Cadence every song I would say that most rappers use the same Cadence and every song that's put out sounds like the same song to me
The title 😂😂 I said it in joes voice & everything lolol
I haven’t watched in a hot minute, but when the camera actually panned to show Parks I was shook lol
“Hold up Justin made the same one” 😂😂😂😂
Jetson
It’s not about his music, because people will listen to the same sound. It’s about his disrespect of black women. Especially the most recent disrespectful action towards a black woman that didn’t deserve to be mentioned in his weak verse. We listen to his music as well, but then he disrespected “one of us.”
The guy he mirdered in self defense at Walmart is looking down smiling rubbing his hands together laughing 😂 saying it has jus begun
He's still a pack tho
I might be alone in this but I feel like lil baby be doing the same thing 🤣
Too much auto tune with lil baby .
Hot damn, I missed the JB Podcast crossing the rubicon. A milli in the books…🙏🏻
What’s funny is da baby fans are saying he sounds the same and it’s time to switch it up so if your own fans are saying it idk why Joe finds it so hard to beliebe
And I was the only one that said he couldn’t rap from jump. But what do I know. Tupac lives on in my tape deck
Tupac Shakur 🐐
I just don’t see how he comes back from all this sadly cause he can definitely rap better than the majority of these dudes
The artist gotta pick the beats. Beat selection is an artist thing unless it’s being executive produced
If anyones qualified to speak about being blackballed in the music industry.... Its definetely Joe
Nah he was doing it to himself
@@jonnyseablue6911 do your homework… his career was way longer then just slaughterhouse bro
Nobody black ball joe horrible azz rapping
Nah it's lupe
Facts lot of people don't like him but he really is one of the most under rated of all time
Bro you are absolutely right. Same flow, content in every song
The whole somebody sounds the same thing kills me..who is he supposed to sound like ? 😂😂😂
Future’s style didn’t move much, but he collaborated constantly w other superstars. Joint albums etc…
DaBaby isn’t someone you just want to hear for a whole album imo. If he thought bringing up Meg was going to be an earth shattering thing to make ppl go get his album, then he’s run out of material.
Future is much more versatile
Future =Very versatile
@@ayoreef9683 much more? Idk. Beats switch up enough, but his content doesn’t branch out too far.
@@d.michael372 facts, how many bags can future get into ? Not much
Whattttttttt
his pushin p shit was incredible tho
We need that "Baby jesus" vibe back.That money man feature flow....
1000 percent with Joe on this 1
I think his sound did change. He doesnt sound anything like his Baby on Baby tape to me no where near the same kind of flow or lyric material. He sounds like a guy trying to rap how DaBaby raps than being himself. Same critique im starting to have for Rod Wave
I think that he is very arrogant. I mean, dude brag about killing that guy in Walmart in every song. And just comes off as a not so humble dude.
They all talk about killing or fucking so
Would you please flash the name of the speakers and their IG handle under the speaker when they are speaking?
THIS IS THE SAME THING WITH NICKI MINAJ & MONIQUE!
They were not black balled! People just don’t want to deal with you. YOU damaged relationships and didn’t care. Nicki is working to rebuild those relationships now, good for her. But she did it to herself. Same with Monique. No one did anything to them.
It’s really a combination of the antics and him being black balled for going against Meg and the music ain’t hitting the same but neither is meg just she has the “support” from the industry …crazy thing about it is that Tory might recover from the situation but Da baby career might be over just for him sticking his nose in it he should of waited till the trial was over to show out smh his team was suppose to know his album would be hidden among the big playlist cause he is talking about smashing one of the industry’s puppets …they ain’t gonna let that be heard over and over Lmaooo
Nah the Meg sitch didn’t harm him. The lgbt issue followed by Dani Leigh … and they already was tired of his sound
@@cherayjames the Megan situation happened after the lgbt comments and baby mama drama
Congratulations on a million subs Joe 🎉
I noticed that also
When Joe said he went on a boo- bat tour.... I lost it 😅
I'm from Charlotte, and I got tired of DaBaby's flow after "Baby on Baby.
I'm more of a J. Cole type, he can spit on any beat.
Rockstar was his best 🎵 song and video and live performance at the Grammys he has had to date (with Roddy Ricch).
1 MILLY FINALLY!!!!! HUGE CONGRATS JOE/POD!! 😂
He did get blackballed and never recovered from that comment and bringing tory out.
I really appreciate parks for standing his ground on this one.
Da baby just got to turn back in to baby Jesuz back to basics is 1st original flow 🎯🤣😂💯💯
Finally at that 1 million!!
Dababy chooses them beats that’s not on Jetson; you can’t put this on a producer at all. If I got a skill or style that I built off of why abandon my core style especially if a big artist is using it
Joe say that boy went on a boom bap tour 🤣🤣
DaBabys entire career was an antic. All the way back to this nicca wearing a diaper at SXSW, even the name change from Black Jesus to Dababy was a troll move. Then boom the shooting Al Walmart made us pay attention to him, cause before that he was a stagnant TH-cam rapper
Thank you.
This is all FACTS!
Future artist can learn ALOT of what NOT to do from him.
This man called himself a "marketing genius" 😂
They need to do research before they talk sometimes the “Kirk” album went number 1 on billboard and was a very successful album . Secondly the live show killer tour with rolling loud was cancelled and joe Was right his new tour the baby on baby 2 tour is not with rolling loud and doesn’t have a sponsor . He definitely needs to deliver better music at this point though
They said “Kirk” but meant to say “My brothers keeper”. Just messed up the names. Kirk album was his prime, and it was definitely not experimental for him
I really think he messed up when he dropped that song with Tory and just started being reckless.
The next time, the people you discuss, make sure they are there when you are discussing them..