From Kim's perspective Jimmy was a much better person at the time before they started dating. She knew him for years as her boss' goofy little brother working in the mail room doing games with office staff. She probably hoped he would stabilize without her but it was clearly too late with how corrupted he'd already become.
It's amazing how we all wanted Saul back at the beginning of the show, and they managed to have it be completely heartbreaking when they finally gave him to us. Now we just want Jimmy back.
@@KCohere33 Well I think the comment meant like before even starting the show, we all shared an anticipation to see how Saul became Saul. But now that we’re here….
Yeah it's definitely going to change the way we rewatch Breaking Bad from now on. Before we saw Saul as just a comic relief, but now we're going to see him as a broken shell of man who lost everything and uses this persona to escape his misery. That's just tragic.
Yeah & I can't wait to finally rewatch BrB after this series finishes. I watched this show as soon as I finished that & it's gonna be crazy seeing it again with this much context.
@@nont18411 I think that was just him being pragmatic in the face of Walt's fairly silly idea that they can still do something about the situation. Walt obviously does something about it eventually but in the moment it just didn't make sense and Saul knew it.
@@calypso4882 Both pragmatic but also with a tiny piece of compassion. Walter was too focused on revenge at that point that he only cared about murdering the neo Nazis. Meanwhile, Jimmy only cared about Walter saving his own wife because with Walter’s identity out to the public, it will cause Skyler to lose her job and her house, the same thing that happened to Kim. Jimmy didn’t want Walter to repeat the same mistakes as him but Walter didn’t listen.
Gus' scene at the wine bar really drove it home for me what Better Call Saul is about. Its about people falling into toxic cycles and failing to break out of them. Chuck can't escape his feelings of inadequacy for his brother and doubles down on his deceptive conduct, Mike's past as a criminal got his son killed and every attempt he makes to atone for it just drives him further into crime until he's the righthand man of a drug lord. Kim desperately wants to feel that she is in control of things but this results in her feeling that everything is her fault and this just destroys her emotionally. Gus could live his life and find love again if he tried...but he can't bare to abandon the mission and thus loses any chance of having a life.
Kim using the fact Howard and his wife lived in separate rooms to strengthen her story, was cold-blooded. I think that's the moment she knew she had to get away from this life.
She finally did the right thing in getting away from the “Jimmy life,” but what did it finally take for her to do that? It took seeing Howard getting his brains blown out right in front of her, and then lying right to his widow’s face during his wake, dishonoring his memory by painting him as a cocaine addict. She had many “off ramps” she could have taken from her nefarious existence with Jimmy throughout the series, but didn’t take any of them until now. Jimmy/Saul is worse, but she’s really not such a good person after all.
She should have stayed a lawyer though. Her pro bono work was the only thing that would redeem her. She can just leave ABQ and go somewhere else like back in the midwest and work as a public defender.
@@joshuaortiz2031 yeah maybe from her perspective I see it though she feels as though she doesn’t deserve to uphold the law and judge people under it based on everything
@@joshuaortiz2031 she realized she was doing pro bono work to balance the bad shit she was doing, she used it to justify what they did to Howard and she realizes that. She did it for fun and was telling herself a lie that she was righteous because she didn't want to stop
@@cinedelasestrellas Jimmy/Saul wasnt worse than Kim at that point in time. Jimmy didn't even want to pull the scam on Howard, he only went along with it because he knew she really wanted to do it.
That final transition to Saul is absolutely gutting. Every time I see it, I just feel sick. I’ll never be able to look at Saul in the same way during Breaking Bad again. It feels so foreign but fitting at the same time.
Y'all get it. This episode is a subdued masterpiece, it's doesn't have intense violence or action scenes, but it's so beautiful and tragic, and probably the most thought provoking episode in the entire gillaverse in my opinion
The insider podcast mentioned that when Kim smoothly lied to Cheryl is when she realised she had stepped over the "line" again. It's what made her decide to leave Jimmy.
I love how you are both so empathetic that you both instinctively knew that Kim had already made the decision to leave way before her final scene with Jimmy.
Tbf the show does a great job of showing that she’s made up her mind already. Even when I first watched it that kiss towards the end felt like a goodbye kiss because that’s exactly what it was
You guys appreciate this show more than any other reaction channel I’ve ever watched, you get every character, every nuance, every camera angle, just everything. Much love from Detroit.
Kim leaving Jimmy is obviously a possibility we've all considered, but I'm so glad that it wasn't just "Jimmy you're a bad influence on me", because that would've been disappointingly lacking in nuance, plus Kim has often fought against the idea that Jimmy is "ruining" her, because it essentially robs her of agency. At the end of the day, they just became a toxic and dangerous duo, and I'm glad the breakup was about acknowledging that and Kim's horrible feelings about herself, and not about pointing fingers. Of course, it's fucking heartbreaking either way. Even moreso this way, because like the audience, neither character WANTS to break up, it's just the right thing to do (which the audience also knows). I also think there's an interesting relationship between Gus's wine scene and Mike's scene with Nacho's dad. Nacho's dad mentions that revenge is not justice, and it never ends (and of course, this directly contradicts how Mike dealt with his own son's death). Then there's the shot from the side showing them on either side of the fence, and Mike is surrounded by fencing, as if in a cage. To me, this parallels Gus's scene because that's also essentially a scene about revenge; it's Gus choosing it over a normal life. So in a way, I think this episode shows both Gus and Mike being trapped in this emotional cage, robbing themselves of a normal, potentially happy life by choosing revenge. Truly a tragedy for all our characters.
yeah I've always hated the Kim leaving Jimmy prediction because it was always framed like "Kim realizes how toxic Jimmy really is" or "Kim realizes Chuck was right all along" or "Kim decides she is too moral and good to stick with unethical slippin Jimmy". Which makes zero sense for Kim's character, and she would never think those things. So I'm really glad the writers did it this way. She didn't blame him, she didn't take some moral high ground. She recognized there was a problem and immediately took action to fix it. The only way to guarantee she stops hurting people is by leaving the law and separating from Jimmy.
Kim is a god. At first I thought she was made as a sort of opposite of Skyler to show how Skyler was a good character all along, but after seeing everything I must say she is just too cool Mostly because she *did* own up to her own crap. She supported but also fixed and was smart and loving and full of wit and good intentions and agency. Loved her character
"When is this gonna finish, I can't take it much longer" is a good way to describe how we feel seeing that our Jimmy is gone and now we are stuck with Saul.
That raw time jump felt like a bullet that finally killed Jimmy McGill, and it was chilling. I was always kind of afraid of how they would justify Saul's behaviour towards women in Breaking Bad, saying things like "You're killing me with that booty" to Francesca. Such attitudes wouldn't have made sense to me provided that Kim would still be around or even alive. But now it makes complete sense, because Jimmy will never allow himself to love another person again. It's also sad how he so desperately needs to stay in his character, in his "Heisenberg", all the time to cope with everything. He talks all the time since he wakes up, he talks to clients, he even talks to himself, shuts out the noise of his thoughts like Jesse did with the constant partying, and he only shuts up to listen to his own announcement on the radio. I had to immediately watch the last 15-20 minutes again and cry another river because it was all so masterfully done.
The difference is, when Walt said it he said it with no evident regret, in fact with outright pride, that Goddammed toxic Pride of his that wound up destroying everything & everyone around him. At least when Kim says what she says she says it with a clear sense of self-disgust.
@@i_so_late They confirmed on the Insider Podcast that it was the heart attack. I'm not even totally sure if this half of the season will be Emmy eligible next year.
@@i_so_late The season was completely filmed but it wasn't "done". The editing process is long, especially for this show, so it was either AMC push back their initial release schedule or rush the editing process and compromise the final episodes.
Every bit of Jimmy is gone. Everything human is gone. What's left is this persona, this character. Jimmy could be hurt, Jimmy felt love, pain, guilt. Saul goodman is invincible . Like a god in human clothing, lightings bolts shoots out of his fingertips. Its the beginning of the end.
Until he shot lightning bolts to a time bomb that is Heisenberg which suddenly BOOM!!!! Leaving only a miserable little man that has hidden inside the invincible Saul Goodman the whole time that is Gene Takovic.
I think in reality fitting the characters of BCS into the story of BB is like putting a round peg into a square hole. They did a admirable job but not all of it makes perfect sense. Saul shoul have been much more cautious after what he‘d been through. But how could they have known back then.
@@christiangwenner6384 there's a 4-5 year gap between Kim leaving jimmy, and sauls first appearance in breaking bad. Not to mention he had been given strong reassurance by Mike, who jimmy knows to trust, that lalo was not coming back. Given that, it's not hard to belive he'd have let his guard down after all that time.
Mike and Gus are the same, they are trapped in the past of losing their loved ones(Mike's son Matty and Gus' partner Max)and devoted their entire life to revenge which in turn ruins them both. 27:14 great imagery showing Mike getting trapped in his persona while the father's free. Varga's father who knew the cycle has to stop, chose to move on. Revenge will never change what happened to Nacho and there's nothing that can be done to bring him back.
@@themerovingian7154 Did you not watch this episode? The way he's mutually flirting with David at the bar. No, it's not definitively confirmed whether he is gay or not, but Max was clearly someone he cared for very deeply. He paid for Max's education, went into business with him, the fountain in the Mexican villa is in honor of Max, and his murder is what fuels Gus's hatred for the cartel/Salamanca family to the point where he's hellbent on destroying them all until he gets to tell Hector (the one who pulled the trigger) that his entire family has been wiped out. Doesn't necessarily mean they were lovers, but that sounds like a highly intimate relationship to me.
the time jump is genius. just like that, like taking of a bandaid, like a milisecond cut, jimmy is dead and saul takes over. that was the last straw, the last thing he ever got to lose.
It also has maximum impact because we're all still reeling from the breakup, when suddenly it's BB Saul - outlandish, sleazy ridiculous Saul - but now we know where he's come from and how it's all just a facade. Genius, heartbreaking.
I underestimated how much these girls love Jimmy and Kim. I felt hurt when I saw these scenes, with that kind of depression/emptyness type of sadness. But I was taken aback when these 2 started weeping. Took me back to their reaction when Kim turned her car around. I'm so glad you guys gave yourselves the opportunity to watch this show. I wish everyone I know would, but sadly television as good as this is not appreciated by everyone.
Oh how much I relate to the second paragraph. But hey that’s why this channel is awesome: we got two amazing reactors who are so thoughtful and understanding of what their watching. We also got this community of fans in the comments who share their love and understanding of the show.
BCS is the #3 ranked drama in terms of ratings for this broadcast season. It's doing very well. Just shouldn't compare it to BB, which was a once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon of massive worldwide popularity.
These ladies have a lot more emotional intelligence than I do - when Jimmy & Kim kissed in the parking garage I was still like "I wonder what's gonna happen" but L&M seemed to know exactly what was going down the moment it happened!
@@MiqelDotCom Shows as good as these teach you to understand symbolism in cinematography. You won't see movies and television and even books the same, and that's such a good thing.
Fans: OMG WHY HAVENT JIMMY AND KIM TOLD EACH OTHER THAT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER??! I REALLY WISH THAT THEY'D TELL EACH OTHER THAT!! BCS Writer's Room: *evil, maniacal laughter*
I really love the line that was said to Mike by Nacho's father, especially the second part "you're all the same." Foreshadowing that Mike too will die from Walter White's vengeance and what he perceives as "justice".
This episode really could have served as a series finale. It tied up all the BCS storylines. We’re in uncharted territory now and I can’t wait to see what they do with the different timelines going forward. Only 4 eps left, which is equal parts exhilarating and sad.
@@FEARNoMore I meant they wrapped up things as far as Mike, Gus, Jimmy and Kim breaking up and where those characters are heading into the BB timeline. But yea what happens to Kim(and Gene) is still a wild card. I’d imagine either this week or next, we will see what she was up to during BB and I think she pops back up in Gene’s timeline too.
I love the shot at 27:18 where it feels like Mike is trapped in a huge cage, whatever happens he can't get away from this. The scenery in this show is just beyond perfection
Walt: "I did it for me...I liked it." (said with pride, and no real sense of regret) Kim: "I was having too much fun." (said with outright self-disgust) Whether that really makes all that much difference, given the many, many opportunities Kim had to get off this road and no death sentence providing an urgent need to resort to drastic means like Walt had is open for debate, but it is a real contrast between them.
@@briangonigal3974 Walt created a unparalled clean product, that probably saved thousands of lifes. Why wouldn‘t he be proud? Kim on the other hand is blaming Jimmy for what truely is her inner nature breaking out. She’s still got a long way ahead of her.
I love that nacho's dad says the most important message: "You gangsters and your justice, you're all the same" in spanish. Mike doesn't speak the language so he literally didn't understand it, but even if it were in english the message would have been lost on him anyway. It means nothing to the people in the game, it might as well be another language.
Fun fact in "chicanery" (one of the best episodes ever aired) Chuck says 'let justice be done though heaven falls'. Same line Saul says at the end of the episode
Feels like when Jimmy said to Kim, "One day we will wake... go on our day...and forget about it". In a way he applied this method in his life after Kim left him. And the we cut to Saul waking up and probably he forgot about it or don't want that part of his life come out anymore or doesn't want to remember it at all. Because it's full of tragedy! Felt like this whole episode was a full circle in some sense! But in current timeline, Gene doesn't have anyone around him neither he is occupied in other things like Saul did. And now maybe he is remembering all that, probably remembering Kim and everything he lost, that's why he is always sad. I hope there is some kind of redemption to Gene because Better Call Saul is tragic story of Jimmy McGill! While Breaking Bad was mostly about the creation of an another persona i.e, Heisenberg. Better Call Saul is the story of the death of an authentic self i.e, Jimmy McGill.
It's the exact words Mike said to him in the car after their desert ordeal. It seems he really took those words to heart and it helped him really become Saul.
I think the last time we saw Gene was when he got off the phone with the vacuum guy right? He was about to confront the taxi guy that recognize him about him blackmailing him right? I hope we get some kind of reunion or at the very least confirmation that Kim is still alive or dead.
Mike's words about Nacho when talking to his father (he made mistakes, fell in with the wrong people, but he wasn't like them, he had a good heart) are the same things Mike said about his own son back in season 1. He knew Nacho's dad needed to hear that, just like Mike's daughter in law needed to hear it.
That's also why he thought he had to add the bit about how the Salamancas will eventually face "Justice", as that was his own way of trying to get closure over Matty's death; by doling out his own "justice" to his son's killers. Only to find out that this is where Nacho's father & he differ, Nacho's father won't throw away his own humanity to reduce himself to the level of his son's killers.
@@briangonigal3974 But then again, Nacho‘s dad gave more weight to his principles and the law than the life of his own son. There is no right within evil. Nacho stepped on a bad path, but he wanted to change direction. His dad should have gone away with him. But in the end, his stubbernness killed his son. There isn’t much humanity in that, once you take a closer look.
@@bryanzzz748 And Mike would have been wrong. Jesse was likeable and he suffered so much, but he also made the wrong choices over and over again. Nacho was wise enough to turn his ship around.
I’ve NEVER seen reactors absolutely explode into emotion like this. And good lord was it warranted! This reaction is so visceral and authentically genuine, I’d love to see you guys react to a show like Succession. It seems right up your alley :)
This episode was heartbreaking on so many levels, I was floored by the acting, even more so than any of the scenes from the past two episodes (which I consider the absolute best of the series alongside Chicanery from Season 3).
@@dwnkaomwn3953 tf you mean man? They kinda did? Or Saul did atleast, hes absolutely miserable ans hates his life. We dont know about Kim yet but i could see her being just as miserable or more than Saul.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 man you dense or some? What you want them to do? Put saul in prison? That doesnt make sense since hes in breaking bad. You forgot about that or some… And also we are yet to see Kims fate (if we ever will) and we havent seen how saul/gene ends up in the very end of the series
The greatest tv universe that will ever be made is preparing for the final curtain call. Lightning in a bottle... twice. This episode could've been a perfect series ending, but instead they had to give us an encore with the last four episodes, in true BCS fashion. I will miss this show and the fans with all my heart ❤️
You put that so eloquently. Curtain call. Lightning in a bottle…twice? Yes. For sure. The break up is hard. Reminds me of a recent breakup for dumb reasons. These two worlds hit hard. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
How is Lola going to resist watching the show while Milena is on holidays, and how will she avoid spoilers for that long? She will have to go on a social media ban for three weeks. Good luck 😂 Great reaction and analysis btw. You picked up a couple of things that I missed.
Honestly, it's amazing how much BCS radically changes the context of everything. Now more than ever breaking bad feels like Walt arbitrarily shoehorning himself into a world he has no business being in. He has no idea what Saul has been through to be the kind of lawyer he is. He has no idea what has gone into Gus' plan to take over the drug trade. He has no idea why Mike is so loyal to Gus. Walt really is a nobody who wanted to be somebody
I just have to say that I'm especially touched by your reaction to this show. So many reactors are clearly not English first speakers or raised within American culture which has its own subtle and physical language (and it can be frustrating, as unfair as that may be, when they don't really see what is going on), but you both see through it all with extreme clarity, insight, and empathy. I love the story-telling and characters obviously, but it's great to share this experience of heart-breaking beauty with you.
So much to comment on... a few stray observations in random order: - I cried seeing you sob. I don't know you, but you've made me care. You're both phenomenal reactors. - BrBa is perfect; BCS is more than perfect. - I agree that this was a fitting ending, which means we're in for a treat in the four remaining episodes. Can't wait! - Shout out to magnificent actor Juan Carlos Cantu (Nacho's dad). The characters he played on Lost, Saul and Dexter were all so different but he sold each portrayal so well. A true pro. - Likely a wrap on Don Eladio, Don Juan, Don Héctor and the Twins. Standing ovation to the writing and the cast for those marvellous characters we loved to hate. - Also a wrap on director Michael Morris (probably the best to have worked on BCS, and that's saying a lot) and writer Ann Cherkis (she penned so many world-class episodes including Hank's, Gómez's, Lydia's and Héctor's re-introductions). - Outstanding editing. Those match cuts in the opening montage rank amongst my all-time favourite ones. - The moment they split up... can we just give Rhea all the Emmys ever?
I think I get it Kim said what she did to Howard's wife to protect Jimmy He was under fire by her and the blame was being planted on Jimmy despite his attempts to dodge around her Kim then steps in and says what she says Then later, when they're in the parking lot, she says nothing to him No justification or reasoning or anything, just a kiss "I did that because I love you" Which furthers the message that their love harms everyone around them Also the scene about Gus chatting up the guy, I think it was to show that Gus still has his past self inside him Kindness, appreciation and love The ability, to love He's very interested and into this man he speaks to, but then he has his memories of Max, his current life and who he has become rise to the surface Even if he could forget the love he had for Max, he can never forget what happend to him He will not allow the chance of a repeat, nobody else he could theoretically love will be taken again
Giancarlo Esposito said he played Gus as someone who doesn't smile with his eyes and his performance always stood out for me when I noticed that that's how he played it. But that scene at the wine bar, is the first and probably only time where Gus appeared vulnerable. Such a great episode all around. The ending hinted that that was the day Walt and Jesse visited Saul to get Badger out of jail.
The look on his face was so open and sweet. My heart melted. Giancarlo did amazing. The shift to remembering revenge and choosing to leave the restaurant was tragic
There was a part around 39:00 when Saul was on the phone with Francesca and he mentions a 'public masturbator' which is Brandon 'Badgers' case (or mistaken case) in Breaking Bad.
Also, this episode reinforced something we should have strongly suspected before. Which is Don Eladio being the boss of Hector and Gus, a scary and powerful character, who had grown complacent in his older years. He forgot his own words to Nacho about looking over your shoulder in this business. He was used to adulation from everyone, gifts, women, power. He grew soft with age and started trusting Gus because Gus's money enabled his luxurious life. And Gus took advantage of this and caught him by surprise after picking off all his adversaries under Eladio's own nose. Very interesting story arc for this character too. He only had a handful of scenes, but he was a corner stone of this show.
There might be some truth to this, but I wouldn't go *too* far with the idea: he did, after all, make Gus drink the tequila first. He just underestimated the dedication Gus still had to getting his revenge after all these years, the risk that Gus was willing to take, and the level of preparation & planning he was willing to do to give himself a fighting chance of coming out of it alive.
@@briangonigal3974 don't you think dismissing Hector's accusation and not trying to investigate these claims further, on top of giving the poisoned tequila to everyone in the house, makes him complacent? There is no way Kim or Walter or Jimmy or Mike or Gus or Lydia would have just "trusted" without doing serious homework. He did say to Nacho that you always have to look over your shoulder and he didn't really do that with Gus, a guy he murdered his lover.
15:52 Well, those were Mike's exact words to him after going through the Lalo situation last season. I knew Mike would talk to Nacho's dad, so the dad can have closure. In a previous season, when listening to one of the member's testimony at the support group he goes to with his daughter-in-law, he realized that not hearing from a loved one ever again, never knowing what happened to them, HURTS ALOT. Which is why he dug up the body of the man Hector killed in the desert and gave cops the location of it, cuz that man might have people in his life who misses him dearly and deserves to know what happen. What Kim said about what Jimmy would do is true, at the end of last season Jimmy was hinting towards a break-up because he realized, in a conversation with Mike in the desert, that by telling her everything...... now ..... "she's in the game", in danger.
It's also a version of the story Mike's daughter in law told in therapy back in season 1, about how there was a day where she realized she'd gone all day without thinking about Matty.
17:40 the reflection makes it look like there's fire burning in Gus's eyes, one of my favorite shots in the whole show. right after hector said to look into gus's eyes and see his hate. pure genius.
Haven't finished your review, so I don't know yet if you came to this realisation, apologies if you did, but Mike's daughter in law told a story in front of Mike about not thinking about Matty, and Mike in turn told Jimmy after the desert, almost word for word, what Jimmy just told Kim.
This episode was a Series Finale in disguise. Jimmy McGill died in this episode and all is left is Saul Goodman/Gene Takasomething. I did not expect this at all!
Yep, as I mentioned elsewhere, Better Call Saul is now over, there's nothing left to say. All that's left to come now is Breaking Bad; the Alternate Episode(s) and The Further Adventures Of Gene Tackiavek
@@FEARNoMore interesting, can you give examples please. I haven't really thought of the possibility that Jimmy might be present anywhere in Breaking Bad, specially because the character Jimmy McGill hadn't been created by the writers at that point. But maybe there could be some alternative scenario that could make it seem like so.
@@amacuro lol I know Jimmy's origin story wasn't fleshed out yet in BB. I'm talking about his humanity. We kinda see "Saul" as a cold hearted, greedy, selfish coward most of the time in BB, but there are moments where he shows he has a heart. What's left of the little bit of Jimmy's soul. Some specific scenes I remember a hint of Jimmy McGill (aka still having some shred of decency left) were the expressions of guilt on Jimmy's face & going with "doing the right thing" even if it went against the cartel. One was when Jimmy uses Francesca to call Hank to fake her car accident. Another was giving Mike/Gus the wrong address to help hide Jesse at the Laser tag place. When he figures out the poison cigarette scheme he & Huell were apart of, included getting Brock ill & he tries to quit as Walt's lawyer was another moment. Another was when Saul reluctantly agreed to tip off the DEA that Gus has a hit out on Hank. The episode where Saul drops off a check for Andrea & she asks him about Jesse there's a pause there before he lies to her. Then moments later when he goes into the car where Jesse is sitting waiting. He attempts to suggest for Jesse just to see her when Jesse asks how she & Brock was. Lastly the episode where Walt & Saul were in the "vacuum guy's" safe house. Saul tries to convince Walt to stay & face the feds to save Skyler from taking the fall. Especially since he's going to die of cancer anyway. Maybe you don't agree but I think Saul in Breaking bad wasn't totally void of humanity. Jimmy lives. lol ;) imo.
It’s really nice to see that you reacted as emotionally as I did. I was bawling and could barely breathe. I feel a little less insane now. I love you guys. Thanks for taking us on your journey. ❤️❤️❤️
Two thoughts read on reddit about Kim and Jimmy that do make sense, these people are really tragic figures. Kim: Kim is the kind of person who solves all her problems by just leaving. I don't mean it just because of leaving Jimmy. She worked with Howard and Chuck then she leaves HHM. She cuts all her relationships there. And her problems with her bosses there were her and Jimmy´s doing. Then she works for Mesa Verde for some time. Then she has problems with Kevin. Which was her and Jimmy´s fault by the way. So she decided to leave Mesa Verde and her law firm. In the end, there is a problem (okay truly a big ONE) with Jimmy and Howard. This was again partly her own doing ( and Jimmy´s too, but mostly hers). So she quits her job and cuts Jimmy and everyone out of her life ( her clients). She honestly reminds me the Jenny from Forest Gump. She mentioned one time that she had a cousin ( so possible uncles or aunts)but we never saw her family. She is probably no contact with them. Jimmy: When Kim breaks up with Jimmy, she reasons that they are bad for each other, that their relationship is poison. The two of them being together continuously hurts not only the two of them, but everyone around them. With those parting words in his head, Jimmy leans as hard into becoming Saul Goodman as he possibly can over the next few years. He needs to avoid the introspection that'll lead him to agreeing with Kim that their relationship was toxic, so he deliberately becomes something worse than he ever was when he was with Kim. It's as if he's trying to say "You think we were bad together? Wait 'til you see the mess I've become without you!"
"I mean good for the guy" literally lmao as tragic as watching Gus deprive himself of any small pleasure is, he also deeeeeeeeeefinitely would've gotten David killed at some point if he'd gotten involved with him. and I think he knows that :(
I like the theory that when the transition happens from Jimmy to Saul Goodman, that is the moment when he first wakes up and and doesn't realize that he hasn't thought about the past. Just like Mike's quote.
That scene crushed me. I knew they would break up but I was in deep denial. I love Kim and Jimmy. Their best time was in the mailroom when they were both innocent with no real worries
@@christucker7655 No that was incredibly sad and tragic but I was never able to find an emotional connection to BrB until later. Also sorry for replying so late.
27:39 Her laugh reminds me of Nacho's laugh when he's crying after calling his dad for the last time. Michael Mando said on the podcast that laugh was like "my god, my freaking life huh?"
I'm sure someone else has pointed it out already but sauls speech about how one day you'll just forget it it was actually him quoting Mike so its not only how saul goes through life but also how Mike copes with being gus frings cleaner
There's a scene in Breaking Bad season 5 where Walt is talking about losing his family and Saul gets a little emotional getting to his car, really adds a lot of weight to what he went through, losing his brother to mental health, Innocent Howard and Kim.
So Saul is talking about Badger on the phone in the closet after the rime jump right? Walt is in Saul office having already told Francesca about Badgers case, also with 2min left in the episode you can hear Walt coughing in the waiting room right after Francesca says got it 40:10 Walt coughing
Anybody notice that the transition from cleaning up the blood to Saul eating whatever that red sauce was is just like the transition in Breaking Bad of them cleaning up Victor's blood after "Box Cutter" and then it transitions to Jessie dipping his fries in ketchup.
What an episode for the best damn show on tv. Emotional damage. The way Saul just suppresses Jimmy bc of the pain associated with being him just breaks my heart. BB rewatches will be even sadder now. I can’t wait to see what happens next and I’m somehow dreading it at the same time. There will never be another show like BB/BCS, I’m going to miss it dearly. I’ve been looking forward to you all’s reaction. A very pleasant surprise to get it early and unpleasant surprise that you won’t be able to watch the next couple eps live. “The Lord giveth and the lord taketh away” lol another great reaction as always.
You are my fav reactors and here are the reasons: - You both have good chemistry - You are funny - You are empathetic and emotional - You are natural and never fake - Your analysis are good and clever
Now THIS is a reaction video. Two people completely engrossed in what they're watching, and emotionally reacting in real time. As opposed to most reaction videos, which is people sitting and talking over the thing they're supposedly watching., and not saying anything actually insightful, but merely listing what we can already see on the screen. This video is people **reacting**.
Thank you so much for all your videos. This reaction and all the others are just indispensable documents of these two shows. Your discussions and debates are always on point. Yeah, they're longer than other reaction videos, but that's a good thing. Thanks again. Loved this video in particular.
Remember. Mike told Jimmy and Kim that they had to stick to the story they made up about Howard doing drugs if everything was going to be ok for them in their future. “ You keep telling the lie you’ve been telling.”You don’t want any more drug king pins or cartel coming after you. So Kim telling Howard’s wife that she saw him snorting drugs and it being so cruel was something she had to do. She was protecting Jimmy foremost as was reflected later on when she confessed that she knew Lalo was alive. She didn’t want Jimmy to worry about her. And that gaslighting manipulative tactic she used on Howard’s wife was maybe the last straw for her. Really sad albeit brilliant episode yo.
the ending is just a nightmare we can't wake up from. It's EVERYTHING we THOUGHT we wanted at the beginning of this show: We can't wait for Jimmy to become Saul and do the hilarious quips and jokes and hijinks we saw on the side in BrBa. But now that it's HERE, we are horrified. It's the WORST thing we have ever seen.
Such genius writing. In BB, Saul was this colourful, wacky, (mostly) light-hearted almost caricature of a sleazy lawyer, and was always entertaining. We looked forward to every scene with him in it. This taints everything - he is utterly hollow and dead inside, painting this ridiculous facade over everything to try and forget.
The emotion from the two of you reacting to the breakup is something I can feel intensely from where I am in Cape Town. Very powerful response. Can tell it's your favourite show!
every episode is always shot beautifully but this one was a cinematic masterpiece. that shot with mike and nacho’s dad (honestly they’re both nacho’s dads 💔) on opposite sides of the fence, and there’s the wire fence on the foreground of mike’s side…and how the camera was focusing on the facial expressions of kim and jimmy as they each react to what lie the other was saying to howard’s wife…this episode was too much 🙌🏼
Personally I think Better Call Saul develops better all their characters, while BB only did with Walt and Jesse. However I think BB's story is more compelling for the higher stakes and all the action. If you are a character driven guy, you'd like better BCS. If you are story driven story, you'd like BB better. Anyways both shows are the best written shows of all time. Thank you guys for beautiful reactions. You are also the best reactors to BB and BCS. No discussion. Big hug to both of you.
BCS has the benefit of working backwards & dissecting both peripheral characters & main characters of BB because it came after the main show. I wish this show maintained the direction of it's new characters instead of relying too much on the characters of BB. Don't get me wrong, I think this show did a masterful job of tying up, connecting this show to BB & really giving depth to Saul, Mike, Gus, Hector. But I just wish it created a bigger world in this universe like it did in the first 3 seasons. More characters like Chuck, Kim, Howard, Nacho, Lalo.
The time jump was perfect. Kim leaving Jimmy was all that was needed to wrap up, how did Jimmy become Saul Goodman. And the writers knew, we didn't need any more explanation. We already knew Jimmy becomes Saul, and Kim leaving him, that's it. No explanation beside that was needed, or given. It's perfect storytelling in its simplicity.
Milena couldn't choose a worse time to travel lol not for the reactions, we will get the reactions eventually anyways but for the discussion aspect... it would have been great if we could theorize and discuss together between the episodes but oh well... love you both to pieces
Kim: “Apart we’re okay…”
Jimmy alone: *Literally becomes Saul*
honestly feel like Saul might have a lower body count than Jimmy at this point lmao
@@fauxrowsdower7610 Saul is a CRIMINAL lawyer like Jesse would say lmfao. He's probably done some terrible things.
@@fauxrowsdower7610 what... Body count does jimmy have?
@@fauxrowsdower7610 sexual body count or murders?
From Kim's perspective Jimmy was a much better person at the time before they started dating. She knew him for years as her boss' goofy little brother working in the mail room doing games with office staff. She probably hoped he would stabilize without her but it was clearly too late with how corrupted he'd already become.
Audience from S1 to S5: Where is Saul? When does Jimmy become Saul?
Audience after S6E9: No! Gimme Jimmy!
Audience after S6E13: I watched Gene die.
@@nont18411 Audience after S6E13: I watched gene cash in the diamonds he has and move to an island far away with Kim.
@@nont18411 Kim: I could’ve saved him… but I didn’t
@@nont18411 i doubt it, maybe but probs not
@@nont18411 well uh
It's amazing how we all wanted Saul back at the beginning of the show, and they managed to have it be completely heartbreaking when they finally gave him to us. Now we just want Jimmy back.
I didn’t want Saul back. I much preferred Jimmy. But I get the point.
@@KCohere33 Well I think the comment meant like before even starting the show, we all shared an anticipation to see how Saul became Saul. But now that we’re here….
@@bryanzzz748 He got the point
Yeah it's definitely going to change the way we rewatch Breaking Bad from now on. Before we saw Saul as just a comic relief, but now we're going to see him as a broken shell of man who lost everything and uses this persona to escape his misery. That's just tragic.
Nah I love Saul, I was screaming when I saw him back lol
Saul is so dead inside he has to put on the persona literally as soon as he wakes up. Really changes the way we see view him in Breaking Bad
Yeah & I can't wait to finally rewatch BrB after this series finishes. I watched this show as soon as I finished that & it's gonna be crazy seeing it again with this much context.
We can only hope that a little bit of Jimmy re-emerges if Gene meets Kim in the post-BB timeline.
@@calypso4882 Jimmy already reemerged in the end of Breaking Bad season 5. He totally lost his ability to lie, only spoke the sad truth to Walter.
@@nont18411 I think that was just him being pragmatic in the face of Walt's fairly silly idea that they can still do something about the situation. Walt obviously does something about it eventually but in the moment it just didn't make sense and Saul knew it.
@@calypso4882 Both pragmatic but also with a tiny piece of compassion.
Walter was too focused on revenge at that point that he only cared about murdering the neo Nazis. Meanwhile, Jimmy only cared about Walter saving his own wife because with Walter’s identity out to the public, it will cause Skyler to lose her job and her house, the same thing that happened to Kim.
Jimmy didn’t want Walter to repeat the same mistakes as him but Walter didn’t listen.
Gus' scene at the wine bar really drove it home for me what Better Call Saul is about. Its about people falling into toxic cycles and failing to break out of them. Chuck can't escape his feelings of inadequacy for his brother and doubles down on his deceptive conduct, Mike's past as a criminal got his son killed and every attempt he makes to atone for it just drives him further into crime until he's the righthand man of a drug lord. Kim desperately wants to feel that she is in control of things but this results in her feeling that everything is her fault and this just destroys her emotionally. Gus could live his life and find love again if he tried...but he can't bare to abandon the mission and thus loses any chance of having a life.
love your analisis
"Let justice be done though the heavens fall" that Saul said was the same line Chuck said to Howard in Chicanery.
Lola mentioned it towards the end of their discussion, she didn't miss it.
That sentence is the principle used by lawyers all over the world for fair legal decisions
@@Atip91 lol, I always recognize it from Costner in JFK. Always assumed Saul used it a lot because of the running Costner comparison.
@@Atip91 Yeah but it was never uttered any other time in this show except that exact instance.
@@Atip91trying to sound smart for no reason
Kim using the fact Howard and his wife lived in separate rooms to strengthen her story, was cold-blooded. I think that's the moment she knew she had to get away from this life.
She finally did the right thing in getting away from the “Jimmy life,” but what did it finally take for her to do that? It took seeing Howard getting his brains blown out right in front of her, and then lying right to his widow’s face during his wake, dishonoring his memory by painting him as a cocaine addict. She had many “off ramps” she could have taken from her nefarious existence with Jimmy throughout the series, but didn’t take any of them until now. Jimmy/Saul is worse, but she’s really not such a good person after all.
She should have stayed a lawyer though. Her pro bono work was the only thing that would redeem her. She can just leave ABQ and go somewhere else like back in the midwest and work as a public defender.
@@joshuaortiz2031 yeah maybe from her perspective I see it though she feels as though she doesn’t deserve to uphold the law and judge people under it based on everything
@@joshuaortiz2031 she realized she was doing pro bono work to balance the bad shit she was doing, she used it to justify what they did to Howard and she realizes that. She did it for fun and was telling herself a lie that she was righteous because she didn't want to stop
@@cinedelasestrellas Jimmy/Saul wasnt worse than Kim at that point in time. Jimmy didn't even want to pull the scam on Howard, he only went along with it because he knew she really wanted to do it.
That final transition to Saul is absolutely gutting. Every time I see it, I just feel sick. I’ll never be able to look at Saul in the same way during Breaking Bad again. It feels so foreign but fitting at the same time.
Y'all get it. This episode is a subdued masterpiece, it's doesn't have intense violence or action scenes, but it's so beautiful and tragic, and probably the most thought provoking episode in the entire gillaverse in my opinion
The insider podcast mentioned that when Kim smoothly lied to Cheryl is when she realised she had stepped over the "line" again. It's what made her decide to leave Jimmy.
Where can you find this podcast?
I love how you are both so empathetic that you both instinctively knew that Kim had already made the decision to leave way before her final scene with Jimmy.
It's not being empathetic, the cinematography clearly indicates they're going separate ways from the beggining of the episode.
Tbf the show does a great job of showing that she’s made up her mind already. Even when I first watched it that kiss towards the end felt like a goodbye kiss because that’s exactly what it was
You guys appreciate this show more than any other reaction channel I’ve ever watched, you get every character, every nuance, every camera angle, just everything. Much love from Detroit.
Kim leaving Jimmy is obviously a possibility we've all considered, but I'm so glad that it wasn't just "Jimmy you're a bad influence on me", because that would've been disappointingly lacking in nuance, plus Kim has often fought against the idea that Jimmy is "ruining" her, because it essentially robs her of agency. At the end of the day, they just became a toxic and dangerous duo, and I'm glad the breakup was about acknowledging that and Kim's horrible feelings about herself, and not about pointing fingers.
Of course, it's fucking heartbreaking either way. Even moreso this way, because like the audience, neither character WANTS to break up, it's just the right thing to do (which the audience also knows).
I also think there's an interesting relationship between Gus's wine scene and Mike's scene with Nacho's dad. Nacho's dad mentions that revenge is not justice, and it never ends (and of course, this directly contradicts how Mike dealt with his own son's death). Then there's the shot from the side showing them on either side of the fence, and Mike is surrounded by fencing, as if in a cage. To me, this parallels Gus's scene because that's also essentially a scene about revenge; it's Gus choosing it over a normal life. So in a way, I think this episode shows both Gus and Mike being trapped in this emotional cage, robbing themselves of a normal, potentially happy life by choosing revenge. Truly a tragedy for all our characters.
yeah I've always hated the Kim leaving Jimmy prediction because it was always framed like "Kim realizes how toxic Jimmy really is" or "Kim realizes Chuck was right all along" or "Kim decides she is too moral and good to stick with unethical slippin Jimmy". Which makes zero sense for Kim's character, and she would never think those things. So I'm really glad the writers did it this way. She didn't blame him, she didn't take some moral high ground. She recognized there was a problem and immediately took action to fix it. The only way to guarantee she stops hurting people is by leaving the law and separating from Jimmy.
Kim is a god. At first I thought she was made as a sort of opposite of Skyler to show how Skyler was a good character all along, but after seeing everything I must say she is just too cool
Mostly because she *did* own up to her own crap. She supported but also fixed and was smart and loving and full of wit and good intentions and agency. Loved her character
Right
"When is this gonna finish, I can't take it much longer" is a good way to describe how we feel seeing that our Jimmy is gone and now we are stuck with Saul.
You mean finally whiney Jimmy is gone and now we have SAUL! Lol
@@shure81 you can’t hate Jimmy but love Saul
Now we also have Gene Takovic, a decrepit old man living with regret, waiting to die alone just like Chuck before him.
@@shure81 missed the entire point of this episode mate
@@djenairosimmons I can love both, after all they are the same person
That raw time jump felt like a bullet that finally killed Jimmy McGill, and it was chilling.
I was always kind of afraid of how they would justify Saul's behaviour towards women in Breaking Bad, saying things like "You're killing me with that booty" to Francesca. Such attitudes wouldn't have made sense to me provided that Kim would still be around or even alive. But now it makes complete sense, because Jimmy will never allow himself to love another person again. It's also sad how he so desperately needs to stay in his character, in his "Heisenberg", all the time to cope with everything. He talks all the time since he wakes up, he talks to clients, he even talks to himself, shuts out the noise of his thoughts like Jesse did with the constant partying, and he only shuts up to listen to his own announcement on the radio. I had to immediately watch the last 15-20 minutes again and cry another river because it was all so masterfully done.
Yes he won't allow himself to love again, just like Gus. Two people traumatised into being cold and detached. Heartbreaking, wonderful filmmaking
"I was having too much fun" reveal reminded me of "I did it for me. I liked it"
Now I see it reminded Lola too
Kim also said before: I like it. I’m good at it.
I was waiting for Kim to say "I fucked Ted"
The difference is, when Walt said it he said it with no evident regret, in fact with outright pride, that Goddammed toxic Pride of his that wound up destroying everything & everyone around him. At least when Kim says what she says she says it with a clear sense of self-disgust.
@@mr.anitabonghit In this case, it'd be more like Jimmy saying that, if Kim is Walt in this comparison.
considering the season was split up so they could be for separate emmy ceremonies, if Bob and Rhea don't win this year, they HAVE to win next year
There is no next year i guess?
Pretty sure the reason the season was split up was because bob had a heart attack.
@@Quarthon it wasn't, the show was done and Peter Gould and everyone wanted it to come out week by week and AMC split it up
@@i_so_late They confirmed on the Insider Podcast that it was the heart attack. I'm not even totally sure if this half of the season will be Emmy eligible next year.
@@i_so_late The season was completely filmed but it wasn't "done". The editing process is long, especially for this show, so it was either AMC push back their initial release schedule or rush the editing process and compromise the final episodes.
Every bit of Jimmy is gone. Everything human is gone. What's left is this persona, this character. Jimmy could be hurt, Jimmy felt love, pain, guilt.
Saul goodman is invincible . Like a god in human clothing, lightings bolts shoots out of his fingertips.
Its the beginning of the end.
Until he shot lightning bolts to a time bomb that is Heisenberg which suddenly
BOOM!!!!
Leaving only a miserable little man that has hidden inside the invincible Saul Goodman the whole time that is Gene Takovic.
I think in reality fitting the characters of BCS into the story of BB is like putting a round peg into a square hole. They did a admirable job but not all of it makes perfect sense.
Saul shoul have been much more cautious after what he‘d been through. But how could they have known back then.
@@christiangwenner6384 there's a 4-5 year gap between Kim leaving jimmy, and sauls first appearance in breaking bad. Not to mention he had been given strong reassurance by Mike, who jimmy knows to trust, that lalo was not coming back. Given that, it's not hard to belive he'd have let his guard down after all that time.
Mike and Gus are the same, they are trapped in the past of losing their loved ones(Mike's son Matty and Gus' partner Max)and devoted their entire life to revenge which in turn ruins them both.
27:14 great imagery showing Mike getting trapped in his persona while the father's free. Varga's father who knew the cycle has to stop, chose to move on. Revenge will never change what happened to Nacho and there's nothing that can be done to bring him back.
Well said!
So you're saying Gus was gay?
@@themerovingian7154 Did you not watch this episode? The way he's mutually flirting with David at the bar. No, it's not definitively confirmed whether he is gay or not, but Max was clearly someone he cared for very deeply. He paid for Max's education, went into business with him, the fountain in the Mexican villa is in honor of Max, and his murder is what fuels Gus's hatred for the cartel/Salamanca family to the point where he's hellbent on destroying them all until he gets to tell Hector (the one who pulled the trigger) that his entire family has been wiped out. Doesn't necessarily mean they were lovers, but that sounds like a highly intimate relationship to me.
@@Washanuga Traduce esto en inglés
Vince en una entrevista si confirmó que Gus y su compañero Max eran pareja
the time jump is genius. just like that, like taking of a bandaid, like a milisecond cut, jimmy is dead and saul takes over. that was the last straw, the last thing he ever got to lose.
It also has maximum impact because we're all still reeling from the breakup, when suddenly it's BB Saul - outlandish, sleazy ridiculous Saul - but now we know where he's come from and how it's all just a facade.
Genius, heartbreaking.
Yeah I definitely felt that, Kim was the last thing keeping Jimmy McGill alive
Not really. We see glimpses of Jimmy in BB.
I underestimated how much these girls love Jimmy and Kim. I felt hurt when I saw these scenes, with that kind of depression/emptyness type of sadness. But I was taken aback when these 2 started weeping. Took me back to their reaction when Kim turned her car around.
I'm so glad you guys gave yourselves the opportunity to watch this show. I wish everyone I know would, but sadly television as good as this is not appreciated by everyone.
Oh how much I relate to the second paragraph. But hey that’s why this channel is awesome: we got two amazing reactors who are so thoughtful and understanding of what their watching. We also got this community of fans in the comments who share their love and understanding of the show.
BCS is the #3 ranked drama in terms of ratings for this broadcast season. It's doing very well. Just shouldn't compare it to BB, which was a once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon of massive worldwide popularity.
These ladies have a lot more emotional intelligence than I do - when Jimmy & Kim kissed in the parking garage I was still like "I wonder what's gonna happen" but L&M seemed to know exactly what was going down the moment it happened!
These two cats must have watched the episode already, their crying makes no sense in real time.
@@MiqelDotCom Shows as good as these teach you to understand symbolism in cinematography. You won't see movies and television and even books the same, and that's such a good thing.
Fans: OMG WHY HAVENT JIMMY AND KIM TOLD EACH OTHER THAT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER??! I REALLY WISH THAT THEY'D TELL EACH OTHER THAT!!
BCS Writer's Room: *evil, maniacal laughter*
Monkeys finger curls. Lol
they probably say it to themselves all the time off-screen. but on-screen they said it for the first & last time in this last episode :(((
“And then I had to spoil it all by saying something stupid like I love you”
"But so what???"
@@Losojostristes "I mean not that."
I really love the line that was said to Mike by Nacho's father, especially the second part "you're all the same." Foreshadowing that Mike too will die from Walter White's vengeance and what he perceives as "justice".
This episode really could have served as a series finale. It tied up all the BCS storylines. We’re in uncharted territory now and I can’t wait to see what they do with the different timelines going forward. Only 4 eps left, which is equal parts exhilarating and sad.
We still haven't wrapped up the story with Gene though, Can't wait to see it.
@@doctorscarf8958 Yea I figure we get at least 1 full Gene episode. Maybe more than that.
@@michaelcurtis925 I assume at least a two-parter like Granite State and Felina.
Have they tho? We still don't know for sure where Kim is (dead or alive) in the Breaking Bad universe during or after Walt, or did I miss something?
@@FEARNoMore I meant they wrapped up things as far as Mike, Gus, Jimmy and Kim breaking up and where those characters are heading into the BB timeline. But yea what happens to Kim(and Gene) is still a wild card. I’d imagine either this week or next, we will see what she was up to during BB and I think she pops back up in Gene’s timeline too.
As soon as I finished the episode I knew exactly how you guys would react lol.
Every minute of BCS is a masterpiece. To me the best TV I've ever seen.
Breaking Bad: Hold my meth :v
I love the shot at 27:18 where it feels like Mike is trapped in a huge cage, whatever happens he can't get away from this.
The scenery in this show is just beyond perfection
Kim: "I was having too much fun."
Walt: "I did it for me...I liked it."
Walt: "I did it for me...I liked it." (said with pride, and no real sense of regret)
Kim: "I was having too much fun." (said with outright self-disgust)
Whether that really makes all that much difference, given the many, many opportunities Kim had to get off this road and no death sentence providing an urgent need to resort to drastic means like Walt had is open for debate, but it is a real contrast between them.
@@briangonigal3974 - Very true, but also very different circumstances behind both explaining their actions.
@@briangonigal3974 Walt created a unparalled clean product, that probably saved thousands of lifes. Why wouldn‘t he be proud?
Kim on the other hand is blaming Jimmy for what truely is her inner nature breaking out. She’s still got a long way ahead of her.
@@christiangwenner6384 looks like we've found the "Walter is a hero" misogynist over here!
@@martinw2235 If the only tool you have is a hammer, …
Treat that woman with a little more respect!
I love that nacho's dad says the most important message: "You gangsters and your justice, you're all the same" in spanish. Mike doesn't speak the language so he literally didn't understand it, but even if it were in english the message would have been lost on him anyway. It means nothing to the people in the game, it might as well be another language.
Fun fact in "chicanery" (one of the best episodes ever aired) Chuck says 'let justice be done though heaven falls'. Same line Saul says at the end of the episode
Feels like when Jimmy said to Kim, "One day we will wake... go on our day...and forget about it".
In a way he applied this method in his life after Kim left him. And the we cut to Saul waking up and probably he forgot about it or don't want that part of his life come out anymore or doesn't want to remember it at all. Because it's full of tragedy! Felt like this whole episode was a full circle in some sense!
But in current timeline, Gene doesn't have anyone around him neither he is occupied in other things like Saul did. And now maybe he is remembering all that, probably remembering Kim and everything he lost, that's why he is always sad.
I hope there is some kind of redemption to Gene because Better Call Saul is tragic story of Jimmy McGill!
While Breaking Bad was mostly about the creation of an another persona i.e, Heisenberg. Better Call Saul is the story of the death of an authentic self i.e, Jimmy McGill.
It's the exact words Mike said to him in the car after their desert ordeal. It seems he really took those words to heart and it helped him really become Saul.
Its important to mention, Kim didn't leave Jimmy. Kim left them.
Gene's coping method is watching Saul's ads on VHS, with alcohol. Not healthy, and inevitably going to drive him to do something
@@D4NJ4CKS Going to drive him to cash in the diamonds he has.
I think the last time we saw Gene was when he got off the phone with the vacuum guy right? He was about to confront the taxi guy that recognize him about him blackmailing him right? I hope we get some kind of reunion or at the very least confirmation that Kim is still alive or dead.
Patiently waiting for the new episodes! I love your guys reactions and opinions on the show.
It's been 3 weeks since their last BCS reaction. Was that planned?
@@Number0neSon yeah they say in the video it would be about 3 weeks before they can upload their next BCS reaction.
@@thejoeschmoshow Ok, I missed that. Thanks!
Mike's words about Nacho when talking to his father (he made mistakes, fell in with the wrong people, but he wasn't like them, he had a good heart) are the same things Mike said about his own son back in season 1. He knew Nacho's dad needed to hear that, just like Mike's daughter in law needed to hear it.
That's also why he thought he had to add the bit about how the Salamancas will eventually face "Justice", as that was his own way of trying to get closure over Matty's death; by doling out his own "justice" to his son's killers. Only to find out that this is where Nacho's father & he differ, Nacho's father won't throw away his own humanity to reduce himself to the level of his son's killers.
And if jesse had died, Mike would’ve had the same exact stuff to say about him.
@@briangonigal3974 But then again, Nacho‘s dad gave more weight to his principles and the law than the life of his own son. There is no right within evil. Nacho stepped on a bad path, but he wanted to change direction. His dad should have gone away with him. But in the end, his stubbernness killed his son. There isn’t much humanity in that, once you take a closer look.
@@bryanzzz748 And Mike would have been wrong. Jesse was likeable and he suffered so much, but he also made the wrong choices over and over again. Nacho was wise enough to turn his ship around.
I can't but help think that every young man Mike meets in the underworld that has a good heart reminds him of his son.
*_"I was having too much fun."_*
*_"I did for me"_*
I’ve NEVER seen reactors absolutely explode into emotion like this. And good lord was it warranted! This reaction is so visceral and authentically genuine, I’d love to see you guys react to a show like Succession. It seems right up your alley :)
I can already see the tears and the eventual compliments on the acting already 😂
This episode was heartbreaking on so many levels, I was floored by the acting, even more so than any of the scenes from the past two episodes (which I consider the absolute best of the series alongside Chicanery from Season 3).
Not for me. I still believe that Kim and Saul should get what's coming to them after they ruined Howard's life and reputation for their own amusement.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 I mean they both seem to get off a lot better than everyone else
@@dwnkaomwn3953 tf you mean man? They kinda did? Or Saul did atleast, hes absolutely miserable ans hates his life. We dont know about Kim yet but i could see her being just as miserable or more than Saul.
@@svarcasper4443 They're not in prison, so no they didn't.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 man you dense or some? What you want them to do? Put saul in prison? That doesnt make sense since hes in breaking bad. You forgot about that or some…
And also we are yet to see Kims fate (if we ever will) and we havent seen how saul/gene ends up in the very end of the series
The greatest tv universe that will ever be made is preparing for the final curtain call. Lightning in a bottle... twice. This episode could've been a perfect series ending, but instead they had to give us an encore with the last four episodes, in true BCS fashion. I will miss this show and the fans with all my heart ❤️
We stll have slippin jimmy :D
It wouldnt be a good series ending because we wont have ever known what happens with Gene.
You put that so eloquently. Curtain call. Lightning in a bottle…twice? Yes. For sure. The break up is hard. Reminds me of a recent breakup for dumb reasons. These two worlds hit hard. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
I would watch a Salamanca prequel lol I would love some humanization of at least one of them before they became who they became.
@@vincentw3566 we dont talk about that show.
you girls make THE BEST reaction videos on youtube! so so genuine and heartfelt with the most wonderful reflections afterwards
How is Lola going to resist watching the show while Milena is on holidays, and how will she avoid spoilers for that long? She will have to go on a social media ban for three weeks. Good luck 😂 Great reaction and analysis btw. You picked up a couple of things that I missed.
I just knew the tears will be flowing with this episode. Gotta love BCS.
I will never look at Saul the same way again in Breaking Bad.
Honestly, it's amazing how much BCS radically changes the context of everything. Now more than ever breaking bad feels like Walt arbitrarily shoehorning himself into a world he has no business being in.
He has no idea what Saul has been through to be the kind of lawyer he is. He has no idea what has gone into Gus' plan to take over the drug trade. He has no idea why Mike is so loyal to Gus.
Walt really is a nobody who wanted to be somebody
I enjoyed watching this again with you both! Thank you for the honest emotional response- right there with you- It was a gut-wrenching episode!!
Okay I absolutely cannot wait for you to catch up on the last couple episodes
I just have to say that I'm especially touched by your reaction to this show. So many reactors are clearly not English first speakers or raised within American culture which has its own subtle and physical language (and it can be frustrating, as unfair as that may be, when they don't really see what is going on), but you both see through it all with extreme clarity, insight, and empathy. I love the story-telling and characters obviously, but it's great to share this experience of heart-breaking beauty with you.
So much to comment on... a few stray observations in random order:
- I cried seeing you sob. I don't know you, but you've made me care. You're both phenomenal reactors.
- BrBa is perfect; BCS is more than perfect.
- I agree that this was a fitting ending, which means we're in for a treat in the four remaining episodes. Can't wait!
- Shout out to magnificent actor Juan Carlos Cantu (Nacho's dad). The characters he played on Lost, Saul and Dexter were all so different but he sold each portrayal so well. A true pro.
- Likely a wrap on Don Eladio, Don Juan, Don Héctor and the Twins. Standing ovation to the writing and the cast for those marvellous characters we loved to hate.
- Also a wrap on director Michael Morris (probably the best to have worked on BCS, and that's saying a lot) and writer Ann Cherkis (she penned so many world-class episodes including Hank's, Gómez's, Lydia's and Héctor's re-introductions).
- Outstanding editing. Those match cuts in the opening montage rank amongst my all-time favourite ones.
- The moment they split up... can we just give Rhea all the Emmys ever?
I think I get it
Kim said what she did to Howard's wife to protect Jimmy
He was under fire by her and the blame was being planted on Jimmy despite his attempts to dodge around her
Kim then steps in and says what she says
Then later, when they're in the parking lot, she says nothing to him
No justification or reasoning or anything, just a kiss
"I did that because I love you"
Which furthers the message that their love harms everyone around them
Also the scene about Gus chatting up the guy, I think it was to show that Gus still has his past self inside him
Kindness, appreciation and love
The ability, to love
He's very interested and into this man he speaks to, but then he has his memories of Max, his current life and who he has become rise to the surface
Even if he could forget the love he had for Max, he can never forget what happend to him
He will not allow the chance of a repeat, nobody else he could theoretically love will be taken again
Giancarlo Esposito said he played Gus as someone who doesn't smile with his eyes and his performance always stood out for me when I noticed that that's how he played it. But that scene at the wine bar, is the first and probably only time where Gus appeared vulnerable. Such a great episode all around. The ending hinted that that was the day Walt and Jesse visited Saul to get Badger out of jail.
The look on his face was so open and sweet. My heart melted. Giancarlo did amazing. The shift to remembering revenge and choosing to leave the restaurant was tragic
Nacho's dad is the Best human being in the BB universe
Along with Howard
@@Ingriditza1908 along with Walt Jr
What about Ernesto
@@Blackd0nuts yeah, Ernie the friend we all want to have
He sacrificed his own son for a highly questionable principle when he could have run away with him. Nothing human about that.
There was a part around 39:00 when Saul was on the phone with Francesca and he mentions a 'public masturbator' which is Brandon 'Badgers' case (or mistaken case) in Breaking Bad.
In an alternate reality, Gus decided to stop his criminal life to settle with David and live happily in Belize.
Also, this episode reinforced something we should have strongly suspected before. Which is Don Eladio being the boss of Hector and Gus, a scary and powerful character, who had grown complacent in his older years. He forgot his own words to Nacho about looking over your shoulder in this business.
He was used to adulation from everyone, gifts, women, power. He grew soft with age and started trusting Gus because Gus's money enabled his luxurious life. And Gus took advantage of this and caught him by surprise after picking off all his adversaries under Eladio's own nose. Very interesting story arc for this character too. He only had a handful of scenes, but he was a corner stone of this show.
There might be some truth to this, but I wouldn't go *too* far with the idea: he did, after all, make Gus drink the tequila first. He just underestimated the dedication Gus still had to getting his revenge after all these years, the risk that Gus was willing to take, and the level of preparation & planning he was willing to do to give himself a fighting chance of coming out of it alive.
@@briangonigal3974 don't you think dismissing Hector's accusation and not trying to investigate these claims further, on top of giving the poisoned tequila to everyone in the house, makes him complacent?
There is no way Kim or Walter or Jimmy or Mike or Gus or Lydia would have just "trusted" without doing serious homework.
He did say to Nacho that you always have to look over your shoulder and he didn't really do that with Gus, a guy he murdered his lover.
I would love to see a prequal of the Salamancas or Don Eladio.
I would have never thought I cry because of better call saul, but this... damn
15:52 Well, those were Mike's exact words to him after going through the Lalo situation last season.
I knew Mike would talk to Nacho's dad, so the dad can have closure. In a previous season, when listening to one of the member's testimony at the support group he goes to with his daughter-in-law, he realized that not hearing from a loved one ever again, never knowing what happened to them, HURTS ALOT. Which is why he dug up the body of the man Hector killed in the desert and gave cops the location of it, cuz that man might have people in his life who misses him dearly and deserves to know what happen.
What Kim said about what Jimmy would do is true, at the end of last season Jimmy was hinting towards a break-up because he realized, in a conversation with Mike in the desert, that by telling her everything...... now ..... "she's in the game", in danger.
It's also a version of the story Mike's daughter in law told in therapy back in season 1, about how there was a day where she realized she'd gone all day without thinking about Matty.
17:40 the reflection makes it look like there's fire burning in Gus's eyes, one of my favorite shots in the whole show. right after hector said to look into gus's eyes and see his hate. pure genius.
Haven't finished your review, so I don't know yet if you came to this realisation, apologies if you did, but Mike's daughter in law told a story in front of Mike about not thinking about Matty, and Mike in turn told Jimmy after the desert, almost word for word, what Jimmy just told Kim.
This episode was a Series Finale in disguise.
Jimmy McGill died in this episode and all is left is Saul Goodman/Gene Takasomething. I did not expect this at all!
This 100 percent feels like Better Call Saul’s Ozymandias
Yep, as I mentioned elsewhere, Better Call Saul is now over, there's nothing left to say. All that's left to come now is Breaking Bad; the Alternate Episode(s) and The Further Adventures Of Gene Tackiavek
Jimmy is not dead. He is in hibernation. We see glimpses of him in BB.
@@FEARNoMore interesting, can you give examples please. I haven't really thought of the possibility that Jimmy might be present anywhere in Breaking Bad, specially because the character Jimmy McGill hadn't been created by the writers at that point. But maybe there could be some alternative scenario that could make it seem like so.
@@amacuro lol I know Jimmy's origin story wasn't fleshed out yet in BB. I'm talking about his humanity. We kinda see "Saul" as a cold hearted, greedy, selfish coward most of the time in BB, but there are moments where he shows he has a heart. What's left of the little bit of Jimmy's soul. Some specific scenes I remember a hint of Jimmy McGill (aka still having some shred of decency left) were the expressions of guilt on Jimmy's face & going with "doing the right thing" even if it went against the cartel. One was when Jimmy uses Francesca to call Hank to fake her car accident. Another was giving Mike/Gus the wrong address to help hide Jesse at the Laser tag place. When he figures out the poison cigarette scheme he & Huell were apart of, included getting Brock ill & he tries to quit as Walt's lawyer was another moment. Another was when Saul reluctantly agreed to tip off the DEA that Gus has a hit out on Hank. The episode where Saul drops off a check for Andrea & she asks him about Jesse there's a pause there before he lies to her. Then moments later when he goes into the car where Jesse is sitting waiting. He attempts to suggest for Jesse just to see her when Jesse asks how she & Brock was. Lastly the episode where Walt & Saul were in the "vacuum guy's" safe house. Saul tries to convince Walt to stay & face the feds to save Skyler from taking the fall. Especially since he's going to die of cancer anyway. Maybe you don't agree but I think Saul in Breaking bad wasn't totally void of humanity. Jimmy lives. lol ;) imo.
It’s really nice to see that you reacted as emotionally as I did. I was bawling and could barely breathe. I feel a little less insane now. I love you guys. Thanks for taking us on your journey. ❤️❤️❤️
Two thoughts read on reddit about Kim and Jimmy that do make sense, these people are really tragic figures.
Kim:
Kim is the kind of person who solves all her problems by just leaving. I don't mean it just because of leaving Jimmy. She worked with Howard and Chuck then she leaves HHM. She cuts all her relationships there. And her problems with her bosses there were her and Jimmy´s doing. Then she works for Mesa Verde for some time. Then she has problems with Kevin. Which was her and Jimmy´s fault by the way. So she decided to leave Mesa Verde and her law firm. In the end, there is a problem (okay truly a big ONE) with Jimmy and Howard. This was again partly her own doing ( and Jimmy´s too, but mostly hers). So she quits her job and cuts Jimmy and everyone out of her life ( her clients). She honestly reminds me the Jenny from Forest Gump. She mentioned one time that she had a cousin ( so possible uncles or aunts)but we never saw her family. She is probably no contact with them.
Jimmy:
When Kim breaks up with Jimmy, she reasons that they are bad for each other, that their relationship is poison. The two of them being together continuously hurts not only the two of them, but everyone around them.
With those parting words in his head, Jimmy leans as hard into becoming Saul Goodman as he possibly can over the next few years. He needs to avoid the introspection that'll lead him to agreeing with Kim that their relationship was toxic, so he deliberately becomes something worse than he ever was when he was with Kim. It's as if he's trying to say "You think we were bad together? Wait 'til you see the mess I've become without you!"
And now here he is, with a 5 MILLION DOLLARS bounty on his head.
"I mean good for the guy" literally lmao as tragic as watching Gus deprive himself of any small pleasure is, he also deeeeeeeeeefinitely would've gotten David killed at some point if he'd gotten involved with him. and I think he knows that :(
Gus won't allow anyone he cares about to be killed ever again and that's why he leaves
I like the theory that when the transition happens from Jimmy to Saul Goodman, that is the moment when he first wakes up and and doesn't realize that he hasn't thought about the past. Just like Mike's quote.
He can't forget the past. The first thing he does it's answer calls like Saúl. SO he can't be Jimmy
27:17 that shot is so good, framing Mike like he is in his own prison
Mr. Varga rocks. He let Mike know what's what. People are too lenient on stone cold murderers just because they feel justified in their head about it.
It was a really amazing episode. The ending with Saul & Kim broke me & it's the only thing in the methverse that has gotten me emotional so far.
Jesse becoming a slave and seeing Andrea die didn't make u emotional?
@@christucker7655 Right?
That scene crushed me. I knew they would break up but I was in deep denial. I love Kim and Jimmy. Their best time was in the mailroom when they were both innocent with no real worries
Howard dying destroyed me
@@christucker7655 No that was incredibly sad and tragic but I was never able to find an emotional connection to BrB until later. Also sorry for replying so late.
I can smell the tears already.
Yeah that sounds kinda weird
Chill boyz i didn’t want to sound like the Monster of San Francisco
27:39 Her laugh reminds me of Nacho's laugh when he's crying after calling his dad for the last time. Michael Mando said on the podcast that laugh was like "my god, my freaking life huh?"
I'm sure someone else has pointed it out already but sauls speech about how one day you'll just forget it it was actually him quoting Mike so its not only how saul goes through life but also how Mike copes with being gus frings cleaner
There's a scene in Breaking Bad season 5 where Walt is talking about losing his family and Saul gets a little emotional getting to his car, really adds a lot of weight to what he went through, losing his brother to mental health, Innocent Howard and Kim.
This show and these reactions illustrate how complex the human condition really is.....
I love these girls they are such sweethearts.
So Saul is talking about Badger on the phone in the closet after the rime jump right? Walt is in Saul office having already told Francesca about Badgers case, also with 2min left in the episode you can hear Walt coughing in the waiting room right after Francesca says got it 40:10 Walt coughing
Anybody notice that the transition from cleaning up the blood to Saul eating whatever that red sauce was is just like the transition in Breaking Bad of them cleaning up Victor's blood after "Box Cutter" and then it transitions to Jessie dipping his fries in ketchup.
What an episode for the best damn show on tv. Emotional damage. The way Saul just suppresses Jimmy bc of the pain associated with being him just breaks my heart. BB rewatches will be even sadder now. I can’t wait to see what happens next and I’m somehow dreading it at the same time. There will never be another show like BB/BCS, I’m going to miss it dearly.
I’ve been looking forward to you all’s reaction. A very pleasant surprise to get it early and unpleasant surprise that you won’t be able to watch the next couple eps live. “The Lord giveth and the lord taketh away” lol another great reaction as always.
You are my fav reactors and here are the reasons:
- You both have good chemistry
- You are funny
- You are empathetic and emotional
- You are natural and never fake
- Your analysis are good and clever
They did it. They broke my girls
Underrated comment
Now THIS is a reaction video. Two people completely engrossed in what they're watching, and emotionally reacting in real time. As opposed to most reaction videos, which is people sitting and talking over the thing they're supposedly watching., and not saying anything actually insightful, but merely listing what we can already see on the screen. This video is people **reacting**.
this video is people fake crying
Without Kim in his life, Jimmy has no reason to stop himself from becoming the version of him we know from BB.
Thank you so much for all your videos. This reaction and all the others are just indispensable documents of these two shows. Your discussions and debates are always on point. Yeah, they're longer than other reaction videos, but that's a good thing. Thanks again. Loved this video in particular.
Remember. Mike told Jimmy and Kim that they had to stick to the story they made up about Howard doing drugs if everything was going to be ok for them in their future. “ You keep telling the lie you’ve been telling.”You don’t want any more drug king pins or cartel coming after you. So Kim telling Howard’s wife that she saw him snorting drugs and it being so cruel was something she had to do. She was protecting Jimmy foremost as was reflected later on when she confessed that she knew Lalo was alive. She didn’t want Jimmy to worry about her. And that gaslighting manipulative tactic she used on Howard’s wife was maybe the last straw for her. Really sad albeit brilliant episode yo.
"Kim, I love you."
"I love you too, but so what?"
That was devastating
the ending is just a nightmare we can't wake up from. It's EVERYTHING we THOUGHT we wanted at the beginning of this show: We can't wait for Jimmy to become Saul and do the hilarious quips and jokes and hijinks we saw on the side in BrBa. But now that it's HERE, we are horrified. It's the WORST thing we have ever seen.
Such genius writing. In BB, Saul was this colourful, wacky, (mostly) light-hearted almost caricature of a sleazy lawyer, and was always entertaining. We looked forward to every scene with him in it.
This taints everything - he is utterly hollow and dead inside, painting this ridiculous facade over everything to try and forget.
Hopefully we'll see your reactions to 6x10 and 6x11 soon!!
‘I love you too, but so what’ - probably the most heartbreaking string of words I’ve ever experienced
The emotion from the two of you reacting to the breakup is something I can feel intensely from where I am in Cape Town. Very powerful response. Can tell it's your favourite show!
every episode is always shot beautifully but this one was a cinematic masterpiece. that shot with mike and nacho’s dad (honestly they’re both nacho’s dads 💔) on opposite sides of the fence, and there’s the wire fence on the foreground of mike’s side…and how the camera was focusing on the facial expressions of kim and jimmy as they each react to what lie the other was saying to howard’s wife…this episode was too much 🙌🏼
Several months on and I still come back to watch this reaction video.
Personally I think Better Call Saul develops better all their characters, while BB only did with Walt and Jesse. However I think BB's story is more compelling for the higher stakes and all the action. If you are a character driven guy, you'd like better BCS. If you are story driven story, you'd like BB better. Anyways both shows are the best written shows of all time. Thank you guys for beautiful reactions. You are also the best reactors to BB and BCS. No discussion. Big hug to both of you.
I wonder if Skylar was given the same screen time and development as the side character in BCS maybe the fan base wouldn’t dislike her
BCS has the benefit of working backwards & dissecting both peripheral characters & main characters of BB because it came after the main show. I wish this show maintained the direction of it's new characters instead of relying too much on the characters of BB. Don't get me wrong, I think this show did a masterful job of tying up, connecting this show to BB & really giving depth to Saul, Mike, Gus, Hector. But I just wish it created a bigger world in this universe like it did in the first 3 seasons. More characters like Chuck, Kim, Howard, Nacho, Lalo.
I'm enjoying watching your reactions to some of my fave shows...you two seem to be very genuine sincere people..
Very few people understand the Gus and the sommelier scene the first time.
You two are very fortunate to be able to take 10 vacations a year!
Cmon, man. don’t be a dick.
The time jump was perfect. Kim leaving Jimmy was all that was needed to wrap up, how did Jimmy become Saul Goodman.
And the writers knew, we didn't need any more explanation. We already knew Jimmy becomes Saul, and Kim leaving him, that's it. No explanation beside that was needed, or given.
It's perfect storytelling in its simplicity.
No puedo esperar ver su siguiente reacción
It's been a while
think they dropped it.
Milena couldn't choose a worse time to travel lol
not for the reactions, we will get the reactions eventually anyways but for the discussion aspect... it would have been great if we could theorize and discuss together between the episodes but oh well... love you both to pieces
I love you guys. Watching your reactions to this episode made me cry again too. What a fucking amazing story this has been.
This is the best reaction video I've ever seen.
Remember how fun it was to watch Saul do Saul things in breaking bad? Now it's just sad :(
that "you make me happy" by Jimmy has so much emotional charge that even I felt that Kim broke my heart. :-(
Thats so cool you guys noticed that detail witht the last scene with Gus.
This spinoff had no right to be this good. It's just INCREDIBLE.
I'm so thankful you two got the Gus scene at the restaurant, the tension was very obvious and I don't get how people don't see it lmao
The first time I watched it I didn't understand it either it took a second viewing to really understand