Ah the iron bank is just gonna love that the biggest, most profitable and most intact industry in Westeros just got a massive taxbreak during a debt crisis.
One thing I remembered about Taena that you didn't mention last time is her saying no to Cersei when she asked for her son to come to court so he and Tommen can be friends, and playing her off while Cersei was rambling some other thoughts in her head (I cant recall the text word for word but she was being her usual) Once again, what is Taenas hidden motives and why she is keeping her son safely away, when it is like the biggest opportunity for your child to be friends with the king ?? This means she is playing Cersei and Cersei only, and is there to bring no good to Kings Landing in the near future.
@@vantarator not only the door that would open for her son by befriending the king, if she is close friends with the mother, getting your children togeather is only natural
Ya when I read that it kinda confirmed my suspicion that Taena doesn't think Tommen will be king for long. Cersei seems to think Taena is super opportunistic and if she really was she would have jumped at that opportunity. I think that was intentionally another subtle hint towards the reader that Taena is going to betray Cersei.
It's also *such* an obvious point against Cersei's hypothesis that Taena is an opportunist that it illustrates how well she has Cersei manipulated. She's so paranoid and sensitive to snubs, yet she lets *that* slide of all things?
Another hint towards a Redwyne split along the lines of the Red and Green Fossoways; Arbor wine is almost always referred to in terms of its colour; either "Arbor red" or "Arbor *gold*". Martin almost pointedly *avoids* calling the former "red wine" and thus cementing the link. The gold also seems to be the more popular & prestigious variety, and is frequently associated with buttering people up (most obviously with Littlefinger's "lies and Arbor gold"). And it's never, ever called "white". House Goldwyne of Highgarden, here we come.
It's hard to overstate just how much I appreciate videos like this, offering original new ideas, and how much they help to make the wait for The Winds of Winter bearable. When the book finally does come out Preston should really consider making a video to see just how much he got right and if he really was "wrong about half of this" as he likes to say. I would bet my last gold dragon that a Redwyne/(f)Aegon alliance might just be one of the things the got completely right.
@@Attilles At this point I don't know if anyone should expect more books. Clearly GRRM is struggling to finish one books to say nothing of 2. If you go over to Asoif reddit its dying because there really is only so much you can say about the 5 main books and other related materials.
He said a while ago (in the Deeper Dorne Q&A I believe) that he isn't sure that George has written enough material about the Tyrells to make a solid theory but that was a few years ago so maybe something's changed.
I've been pushing for a Tyrell deep dive for a while...I cannot make heads or tails as to what their ultimate goal is. It's not just power for power's sake.
I would kill for a queen of thorns POV ahhhhh I can just imagine her cutting thoughts now. I know it’s not likely but the Tyrells are so interesting to me. A margery POV would be really cool too.
Would Oleanna Tyrell be ok with this? She's definitely smart enough and connected enough to figure out what Paxter is doing. It would destroy her grandchildren through Mace in favor of her grandchildren through Mina.
Is she, though? The Tyrells' strategy is co-opting the other families through marriage alliances, and they have a blind spot about it - they can't recognize that it could actually backfire. Olenna is not all-knowing, and she's lived at Highgarden for some fifty years, she'd be pretty disconnected from her original family, and the only grandchildren she'd care about are the ones she's actually known all their lives: Willas, Garlan, Loras, and Margaery.
Reminds me of Doran Martell - putting one half of the heirs toward the Aegon cause and the other to Dany. Seems like they are trying to ensure some sort of win, but they are also ensuring loss as well
@@childofpersia1213 I can see that. With one hand, through the Tyrells they are gambling all on getting the Iron Throne through Margery. On the other, they'd stand pat with Highgarden and the Arbor.
but is the Queen of thornes as powerful and omnicient in the books? there is a lot of Reacher scheeming that has been funnelled into her character in the show. she is very memorable and exceptionally well played in the show but is she really that way in the books? she certainly lets Sansa know more than she should but it is so because Sansa is harmless
Check out his "thousand worlds" series. He literally gives links to the books. Audiobooks and text... Apparently a lot of G.R.R.M's stories are just free game. You can just, get them. For free.
That's not entirely true. Especially not for the important stories like a song for lya. That said if you get yourself a copy of tuf voyaging and dreamsongs you'll have most of the relevant 1000 worlds stories 😊
I want to clarify, I meant check *Preston Jacobs* Thousand World series of videos. Chelsea Hardy is right, there are a few you can't get. Still, you can get enough, and it's more Preston content, which we all want. Also, it'll make better at interpreting ASOIAF. Total win/win. It deserves the views.
@@Bluemilk92 uh oh my bad 😅 I wasn't trying to be nasty, I just got the impression you meant that you can't get GRRM's work anymore, and to be fair some you really can't 😊 So PJ is a great source for some that are harder to find like Starlady 💫 I hope we get the next episode soon!
@@ackidack I was going to type that first, but then realized other people would read it and I could never forgive myself for inflicting that upon them.
That's why Preston videos are so great- he gives a theory, you think bullshit, then he pulls out some evidence and you're suddenly thinking "shit", man should be a lawyer. Honestly I think he's pulled something out of nothing here, but it's still entertaining and well put together.
This guy had to have read the series AT LEAST 10 times to get all this shit lol. I read them once so far and I couldn't remember even half the names. Preston has serious intelligence..
There are other books in the universe besides the main 5 and they offer a lot of world building, where he bases a good amount of connections (theories), upon. But yeah, he must have read it at least 10 times to pick up on lots of smaller plots, I only pick up on the surface ones and, by the time x secondary character comes back, I already forgot whatever they said last time and lose the point of subplots.
@@SaintJenny929 If you like Asoiaf there's a mod you can download which let's you play as any character in the story. store.steampowered.com/app/203770/Crusader_Kings_II/ here's the game. agotcitadel.boards.net/thread/3932/release-game-thrones-v2-2 - Here's the mod.
a bunch of lunatics is what we are. but i must admit, there is nothing better on youtube than a preston video, that is about his asoiaf theories. don't care for the other stuff at all (westworld and whatnot)
@@dasaggropop1244 I love his 1000 worlds book club series, and his podcasts with RedTeamReview and Order of the Green Hand, I have never watched Westworld, but I do intent to at some point which is why I haven't watched his take on them
Hey, Preston, I find your videos pretty convincing. The houses secretly supporting someone other than their liege lord seems to be a reoccuring theme - something that I always found interesting enough to warrant a discussion is the thought that if readers are able to piece these secrets together, which book characters are also able to do so? A question for the podcast, maybe?
Happy Sunday Preston. What a great video. Loved every minute. Was sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you to continue......next time I guess. Thanks and Happy Father's Day. Love 💘
Yeah the County of Barcelona had twin rulers, but at that time and area co-rulership was common between brothers, sometimes even cousins. And those two twins from Barcelona were at odds with each other (maybe because one was called Ramon Berenguer and the other Berenguer Ramon) and one ended up killing the other.
@@Mprator It is known dat Cersei was born first. There's a passage, in the first book i think, where it's said dat Jamie came into the world clutching to her heel.
It's a bit easier when the twins are of different gender to keep tabs on which is which. Also, as mentioned by others, it was Cercei who thinks that, but it is Tywin who names his heir, that is, Jamie (though it should be Tyrion by the custom).
@@rhaenyratargaryen4394 Mprator isn't disputing who was born first, they're pointing out we learn that if she was male, Cersei would be the heir *according to Cersei*. It may not always be that simple, it may just be how Cersei thinks it should work because she would benefit if it did work that way (and if she was male too ofc!)
Yeah that is a big point if we're discussing if dornish law would ever be acknowledged in the other six kingdoms. In dornish law the oldest child (no matter if boy or girl) inherits everything. This conflict is reflected in each of the pov characters' thoughts repeatedly. while it showcases how sibling rivalry stops people from acting collectively it also hints that federalised dornish law would change the realm meaningfully, maybe even in ways the characters won't anticipate.
Woah, I never considered the Blackfish declining these 3 marriage proposals out of honor (well, rather the lack of honor of the proposed houses) or their disloyalty... I always fought he was either not interested (what has a second son to gain from a marriage to a daughter that isn‘t the heir and has multiples higher in line of succession) or homosexual as you mentioned it... I believe for once you have a totally real LEAD discovered here
Preston, you are legit a genius and a god among men. You have my absolute respect and reverence, good sir. Not to mention one of the funniest TH-camrs on the platform. Thank you for all the effort and hard work you put into your videos. It is very much appreciated by your fans!!
14:13 Well I have to disagree that them being wealthy and having the arbour disproves that they are blackfyre supporter's. After all House Yronwood participated in 3 rebellions and are still one of the strongest families in dorne. The Brackens had close ties to Bittersteel and probably weren't punished that much, after all the Brackens are able to defeat the Blackwoods(they would have won the siege of Raventree with or without jaime) Even the Peaks are pretty well off, after all Titus Peak is married to Margot Lannister ,a cousin of Tywin And Gormunt Peake is referred to as "a great Lord". I think your misconception comes from the Osgreys ,after all Eustace Osgrey is only a minor noble who has only 2 knights in his service. However Maegor the Crule took coldmoat from the Osgreys and probably most of their lands and incomes b4. So the Targaryens couldn't really take much land from them after the Blackfyre Rebellion.
Very interesting... is Paxtor greedy enough to betray his cousin and life-long friend in the hopes of taking his land? Also lands and titles are extremely important, but a 30 year tax break on one of the world's most popular wines is a pretty damn good deal too.
I like how everyone always overlooks the fact that Varys was also the gruff Jailor down in the Black Cells and how the only one who knew his secret was Ned Stark, and so cannot be who he seems to be. #VarysIsRhaegar
Is that not Rugen? It seems unlikely Varys would have created two separate false identities for infiltrating the jail, which IIRC is packed with Littlefinger cronies.
Is that not Rugen? It seems unlikely Varys would have created two separate false identities for infiltrating the jail, which IIRC is packed with Littlefinger cronies.
@@johnnye87 Varys doesn't just infiltrate the jail, he knows all the secret passages under the castle, which is impressive since all the builders who knew the secrets were killed. Varys was born and raised in the Red Keep, the only way of discovering secrets like those is if you have a lot of time on your hands, free reign over the castle, and you're small enough to go unnoticed.
Arya found her way into the dragon crypt because she was bored, noble and small. Varys was giving the dragon eggs to Illyiro to give to Dany, because as Rheagar, he found the eggs that Egg & Dunk attempted to hatch at Summerhall. Also, Rhaegar was wearing a ruby chest plate, which means anyone could have been wearing the armor, and we'll never know because conveniently everybody suddenly stopped fighting and dove into the ford for his rubies. Also also, there's the whole Dunk & Egg is an inverted parallel to Tyrion & Varys thing.
Dude, Varys was already employed by the crown before the Rebellion. I feel like your theory needs some sort of literary proof that states that the 2 men were never seen in the same room or something to that effect, before it can be given any credibility.
Thank you Preston, as your usual self, this was informative and interesting. However, there are two problems with your explanation of Paxter Redwyne's refusal to be rewarded - first, in a feudal society, land is not simply a matter of making sure that your child has a place to crash; it is a means for generating wealth. There is no feudal state-of-mind that says "we do no need another castle because we do not have enough family members to occupy them all". Just think of Cadet branches. Moreover, even if Paxter's goal had been to secure both his sons with lands, the twins problem may very well rise again within a generation or two - the chances for having twins is to some extant hereditary; and just as you stress, GRRM considers heredity to be an important factor. Second, even if we accept that the Redwynes are opportunistic (which is entirely plausible), that only means that they should have taken whatever was on the table after the Battle of the Blackwater, and check their options again later. If they are not a loyal bunch, there is no reason to think that accepting land would make them loyal. Just more opportunistic. With Margery married to Tommen and Loras on the Kingsguard, the Tyrells are too heavily linked to the Lannister cause, but the Redwynes should not be more loyal to the Lannister just because they had been paid by them. That is, of admittedly, if we ascribe the Redwynes the same level of loyalty as we would a sellsword. Both these problems point to the same general question - given the uncertainty of Paxter's chances to secure Highgarden (even if he is open to joining the Aegon cause); given the status of land in feudal society; given that twins problem could be a constant issue for the Redwynes; and given the opportunist's tendency to hedge his bets, Paxter's openness to the the Aegon cause does not explain his reluctance to be rewarded after the Blackwater.
In Fire & Blood the succession precedent is clarified by Jason Lannister being born “mere heartbeats” before Tyland Lannister, who served as Hand of the King to Aegon III. Casterly Rock passed on to Jason’s young son and his wife ruled as regent while Tyland stayed in King’s Landing. Also on your point about the Redwynes, Fire & Blood states they’ve been marrying into Peake’s family for centuries, which supports who his friends are in the Reach.
Splitting lands between was probably one of the worst things to do with succession, as it weakens all the parts for external forces to step in and breeds conflict between the internal parts. One sole heir sure has problems but the alternatives at feudal times were usually a lot worse as it undermined/divided the powerbase of the ruling family.
Not always! It can also unify all the separate enemies against you! This politics the Britain’s always did since the 16th/17th against the power on the European continent... against the Spanish Empire; helping Prussia against French, Habsburgian Empire, Russia; Napoleonic Empire; German Empire and Third Reich... you could even days during their time in the EU from the inside Besides, Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire (Charles I of Spain too) divided all his lands between his bother (Maximilian II) and son (Philipp II) which was very wise in that time, cause the lords and nobles in the Empire as the kings in Europe feared too much power in one hand and would have allied against such a force! If it weren‘t for the inbreeding of especially the Spanish Habsburgian side, the history of the last 300 years would have played out in a completely other way! But yes, splittings like the Merovingians & Karolingians did was weakening to their dynasties... they often started to fight anyways for claims over the other‘s lands which ended in war and other forces/dynasties profit from it
The Frey‘s are like the Stanley’s in the War of Roses... always opportunistic where you have more to gain or less to loose And given the houses experiences through the several inner westerosi conflicts since the Targaryen rule, that is quite understandable and they are clearly not alone! The Swann‘s were doing it also with one son in Renly‘s/Stannis‘ camp the other in Joffrey‘s, the Florents served Renly and Stannis at the same time (but till now set on the wrong horses) as were the Estermonts, their own blood and vassals!
Tbf I think I'd rather take a huge longterm tax break instead of a promise of land considering how often those promises fall through. And the tax break is more likely to stay stable if the Lannisters lose the throne.
Brilliant video. It also occurs to me when i watch this that loras was mysteriously injured at dragonstone where the redwynes were laying siege... if they are trying to wipe out mace tyrell's line it was a good opportunity. Also it makes me wonder whose idea it was for garlan to dress as renly and lead the charge at the blackwater. They could have used any more disposable soldier who fit into renlys armor. Maybe it was paxter redwynes idea...?
If everyone named “tyrell” somehow dies due to Lannister action or in battle, horas and hobber will be the heirs to highgarden. One twin can get highgarden, the other can get the arbor
15:02 oy! In the war of the five kings, the Freys weren't playing both sides. They stayed out of it, cause there was no point getting involved in a stupid war. Then they were promised a marriage to Robb. Well he broke his oath, so obviously they had to switch a non-oathbreaking side. A king unpredictable (and stupid) enough to marry for love can't be entrusted with the future of your family. [imagine that this was your family. Now imagine it's a dozen times bigger]
I’m just tuning into this series, not because I think GRRM will write up a payoff (I expect many plots to go the way of Quentyn because he has too many loose ends to tie up before aDoS), but because I want to see Preston do an accented narration of the sex scenes.
@@T-Dogg121 Especially when one considers the historical reference that Quentyn is inspired from, yeah, he's important for getting a Dornish Civil War going. People were all going off on how "Quentyn's story is a deconstruction of the Hero's story" and I'm like: Sure there's a bit of that, but frankly it's more ripped straight out of a history book and had its serial numbers filed off. Horrible travelogue to a foreign country while under disguise, a secret marriage pact, surrounded by more charming and better looking companions than himself, refusal by the Princess he was intended to woo and wed, etc. Charles I of England when he was Prince of Wales did all of that verbatim when he tried to woo a Princess of Spain, and failed. From the Wiki about "the Spanish Match" as it was called: So yeah, if history were to complete the rhyme, Quentyn would come home and help spark another Dance of Dragons--ruining Jon Con's plans to have Dorne on his side. Which considering we're getting foreshadowing that there will be a second dance that all the Dornish characters are ignoring in Arianne's released chapters... yeah Quentyn is kinda important on that front potentially. So my bet is that while Quentyn will be badly burnt and disfigured, he won't be dead.
13:30 if redwynes joined the blackfyres at first, daemon would have near total naval supremacy-between him and daeron daemon had the most Velaryon blood through his maternal grandmother daenaera velaryon. Redwynes joining him means that the two largest fleets in Westeros (redwyne and royal Velaryon fleets) would be on the Blackfyre side
I believe to make it clear that Storm‘s End could be given also to some other lords... since Stannis is a traitor to the realm (from their POV) and Renly had no heir and Tommen now being king, their wouldn’t by anyone to inherit Storm‘s End (well, out of Mycella marrying someone and giving it to her and her husband) The other quotes are examples too of Castles and titles that could be or really were given to others
Preston, do you ever think that you might not get closure on your theories? I don't mean... oohhhhhh, GRRM might not finish the books waaah. What I mean is, unless we get introduced to Sir Blabbermouth from House Exposition, nobody will be able to confirm this amazing content.
In Ukrainian history we had princes Danylo (Daniel) and Vasylko (Basil), ostensibly ruling as princes of Galicia and Volhynia respectively, but were, in fact, co-rulers, and were both referred as Kings of Ruthenia by travelers, such as William de Rubruck. The shared capital of Ruthenia, Holm (now Chelm in Poland) was built by Danylo technically on Vasylko's land, in western Volhynia (which would later become known as "New Galicia" for a short period of Habsburg rule before the Napoleonic Wars), but although they were co-Kings, the heir to the Kingdom was Lev (Leo), the son of Danylo, for whom he constructed a whole new capital, the city of Lviv, which became the historical center of Galicia. The interesting thing is - they weren't even twins, Danylo was a whole year older, yet they kept to this system, which allowed them to safeguard the kingdom from inner squables.
How do you think these divisions in the Reach will affect the upcoming Battle of Blood? Redwyne’s talked a lot about working with Greyjoys, and it would be neat if one of the massive fleets chose to play traitor and break the flank
I've been thinking about the Redwynes since the Deeper Dorne series, where you outlined the idea that the second-most powerful house of a kingdom should be the biggest threat to the ruling house. Without the Florents, doesn't that mean that the Redwynes should now be enemy #1 for the Tyrells? Also, I was never even convinced that the Florents were more powerful than the Redwynes to begin with... In any case, there's kind of a parody between the Martells and the Tyrells if both of their greatest domestic rivals are Blackfyre supporters.
I bet most people here reread the ASOIAF books regularly... I won't be the only one who gets to a part Preston has read aloud and hear his character accent in their head...
Ah the iron bank is just gonna love that the biggest, most profitable and most intact industry in Westeros just got a massive taxbreak during a debt crisis.
Mahaha true. One might even call it a stimulus package, no?
Mickey412 Grrm predicted bail outs! Seriously though I think Preston underestimates how much gold that could be.
OoooOOooohhhh shit that didn't occur to me
One thing I remembered about Taena that you didn't mention last time is her saying no to Cersei when she asked for her son to come to court so he and Tommen can be friends, and playing her off while Cersei was rambling some other thoughts in her head (I cant recall the text word for word but she was being her usual) Once again, what is Taenas hidden motives and why she is keeping her son safely away, when it is like the biggest opportunity for your child to be friends with the king ?? This means she is playing Cersei and Cersei only, and is there to bring no good to Kings Landing in the near future.
Nice catch, imagine being a mother and NOT letting your kid be friend with the king to be. Seems fishy af
@@vantarator not only the door that would open for her son by befriending the king, if she is close friends with the mother, getting your children togeather is only natural
Ya when I read that it kinda confirmed my suspicion that Taena doesn't think Tommen will be king for long. Cersei seems to think Taena is super opportunistic and if she really was she would have jumped at that opportunity. I think that was intentionally another subtle hint towards the reader that Taena is going to betray Cersei.
Cersei even ask multiple times, just to be diverted by Teana. Really fishy...
It's also *such* an obvious point against Cersei's hypothesis that Taena is an opportunist that it illustrates how well she has Cersei manipulated. She's so paranoid and sensitive to snubs, yet she lets *that* slide of all things?
Preston you're becoming exactly like GRRM. Announcing "a couple of one-shot theories" and here we are at part 4
But Preston actually produces content
Scott McLean for now
to understand a master you have to become one
@@lifefindsaway7875 i know right. if that comparison held true we'd get like 4 preston videos a year at most lol....
Soon he Willi begin to transform into a short, old fat man
Another hint towards a Redwyne split along the lines of the Red and Green Fossoways; Arbor wine is almost always referred to in terms of its colour; either "Arbor red" or "Arbor *gold*". Martin almost pointedly *avoids* calling the former "red wine" and thus cementing the link. The gold also seems to be the more popular & prestigious variety, and is frequently associated with buttering people up (most obviously with Littlefinger's "lies and Arbor gold"). And it's never, ever called "white".
House Goldwyne of Highgarden, here we come.
Wow I'm impressed. Another detail that went right over my head, and I read the series seven times by now.
I like your thinking, this ties in very nicely with Preston's musings so far too.
When he started with the Redwynes, my first thought went also to the Fossoways somehow... the thought of the splitting just followed then 😅
Ooo~! I like the sound of House Goldwyne of Highgarden, it has a nice ring to it~
Hold up how are they taking Highgarden. I like the split Idea tho
It's hard to overstate just how much I appreciate videos like this, offering original new ideas, and how much they help to make the wait for The Winds of Winter bearable. When the book finally does come out Preston should really consider making a video to see just how much he got right and if he really was "wrong about half of this" as he likes to say. I would bet my last gold dragon that a Redwyne/(f)Aegon alliance might just be one of the things the got completely right.
It would be fun to actually have a ratio of right/wrong predictions, and hearing something like ‘I’m wrong about around 45% of this.’
The problem is GRRM isn't going to answer all these mysteries in the next book or even at all...
I usually disagree with him on most of it, but here I agree with all of it.
I realize this is kinda obvious, but thanks for continuing on as if the show never happened.
happy father's day, Your Grace.
ye what show?
I do remmeber a GOT show that ended in 2016 i believe, then it suddenly stoped and we got nothing since
I get so excited when i see Preston asoiaf content, especially since it feels less frequent these days
kids will do that
Hes also gotta be running out of good topics at this point. How about an exploration of Tourmand's Tall Tales
@@Attilles At this point I don't know if anyone should expect more books. Clearly GRRM is struggling to finish one books to say nothing of 2. If you go over to Asoif reddit its dying because there really is only so much you can say about the 5 main books and other related materials.
Me too, I love the thrones content, hate it when I get a Preston notification and it's that Westworld shite.
But it is better every time
dear ser, please make a tyrell series. is there a masterplan? why don't we get any pov chapters?
He said a while ago (in the Deeper Dorne Q&A I believe) that he isn't sure that George has written enough material about the Tyrells to make a solid theory but that was a few years ago so maybe something's changed.
You spelled whore wrong.
I've been pushing for a Tyrell deep dive for a while...I cannot make heads or tails as to what their ultimate goal is. It's not just power for power's sake.
There’s one Tyrell video out there called The Lost POV. It’s the best we have right now
I would kill for a queen of thorns POV ahhhhh I can just imagine her cutting thoughts now. I know it’s not likely but the Tyrells are so interesting to me. A margery POV would be really cool too.
Friends in the reach? The chequey lion roars
Would Oleanna Tyrell be ok with this? She's definitely smart enough and connected enough to figure out what Paxter is doing. It would destroy her grandchildren through Mace in favor of her grandchildren through Mina.
Is she, though? The Tyrells' strategy is co-opting the other families through marriage alliances, and they have a blind spot about it - they can't recognize that it could actually backfire. Olenna is not all-knowing, and she's lived at Highgarden for some fifty years, she'd be pretty disconnected from her original family, and the only grandchildren she'd care about are the ones she's actually known all their lives: Willas, Garlan, Loras, and Margaery.
Reminds me of Doran Martell - putting one half of the heirs toward the Aegon cause and the other to Dany. Seems like they are trying to ensure some sort of win, but they are also ensuring loss as well
@@childofpersia1213 I can see that. With one hand, through the Tyrells they are gambling all on getting the Iron Throne through Margery. On the other, they'd stand pat with Highgarden and the Arbor.
but is the Queen of thornes as powerful and omnicient in the books? there is a lot of Reacher scheeming that has been funnelled into her character in the show. she is very memorable and exceptionally well played in the show but is she really that way in the books? she certainly lets Sansa know more than she should but it is so because Sansa is harmless
What I love about this I had totally forgot about Taena.
I think Dany kinda forgot about her too but Taena certainly didnt forget about her.
Same I always just thought she was eye candy
I remember deciding to call her Tina.
Troper H'ghar that’s what’s great about the books, more layers than a ripe onion!
I found her quite memorable, as her vagina was described as a myrish swamp if I recall correctly, maybe I'm misremembering.
I love how you dissect the books and how you have the authors writing style pegged lol. I really need to check out some of his other books.
Check out his "thousand worlds" series. He literally gives links to the books. Audiobooks and text... Apparently a lot of G.R.R.M's stories are just free game. You can just, get them. For free.
That's not entirely true. Especially not for the important stories like a song for lya. That said if you get yourself a copy of tuf voyaging and dreamsongs you'll have most of the relevant 1000 worlds stories 😊
I want to clarify, I meant check *Preston Jacobs* Thousand World series of videos. Chelsea Hardy is right, there are a few you can't get.
Still, you can get enough, and it's more Preston content, which we all want. Also, it'll make better at interpreting ASOIAF. Total win/win. It deserves the views.
@@Bluemilk92 uh oh my bad 😅 I wasn't trying to be nasty, I just got the impression you meant that you can't get GRRM's work anymore, and to be fair some you really can't 😊 So PJ is a great source for some that are harder to find like Starlady 💫 I hope we get the next episode soon!
Reminder that Harrenhal was an inside job. Dragonfire can't melt stone walls.
It could affect their integrity though
Oh great. A round-earther.
@@sirsplintfastthepungent1373 round planetoser
@@ackidack I was going to type that first, but then realized other people would read it and I could never forgive myself for inflicting that upon them.
Dragonfire can't melt stone walls. But according to season 8, it makes them explode instead.
I wasn't buying the video untill you showed the Tyrel-Redwine family tree for the second time and then I was like
aaaaaaan, yeah, make sense
The family trees help a lot! We need a reading companion that has all the family trees mapped out, not just the major ones in World of Ice and Fire
That's why Preston videos are so great- he gives a theory, you think bullshit, then he pulls out some evidence and you're suddenly thinking "shit", man should be a lawyer.
Honestly I think he's pulled something out of nothing here, but it's still entertaining and well put together.
It was like a magic trick.
This video could have been like 45 seconds long..."Redwynes will side with Aegon. (proceeds to shows family tree)" Video ends. Haha
lol literally the same here
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Even Laenor Velaryon married Rhaenyra Targaryen, daughter of King Viserys I; Laenor was known to be homosexual.
Man, I swear I read the books. Clearly I didn't get 1% of what you got from them.
This guy had to have read the series AT LEAST 10 times to get all this shit lol. I read them once so far and I couldn't remember even half the names. Preston has serious intelligence..
There are other books in the universe besides the main 5 and they offer a lot of world building, where he bases a good amount of connections (theories), upon. But yeah, he must have read it at least 10 times to pick up on lots of smaller plots, I only pick up on the surface ones and, by the time x secondary character comes back, I already forgot whatever they said last time and lose the point of subplots.
Still can’t believe this series isn’t called The Myrish Swamp. I thought they were all named for Tripod’s sex moves
Don’t you know? The Cersei and Taena is a legendary, high-level move that can only be performed with two other partners.
This video intensified my desire to launch Crusader Kings II
What's that? Sounds cool
@@SaintJenny929 It's a game. If you have a computer you can check it out, as far as I'm aware it's free.
@@SaintJenny929 If you like Asoiaf there's a mod you can download which let's you play as any character in the story.
store.steampowered.com/app/203770/Crusader_Kings_II/ here's the game.
agotcitadel.boards.net/thread/3932/release-game-thrones-v2-2 - Here's the mod.
.... how did it take me so long to recognize the family name.
Merryweather.
They're Fair Weather friends.
12:57 Preston, you’re an absolutely genius, Aegon = Hodor, of course, it all makes sense now.
Finally Myrish Swamp Part 3 💪🏻
By far the best intro to one of your series you've done so far!! Love the mystery music an haunting backdrop of eyes!
I thought the day couldn't get any better. thank you, sir!
Preston always has such high thumbs up to views ratios, I love how passionate his fanbase are
a bunch of lunatics is what we are. but i must admit, there is nothing better on youtube than a preston video, that is about his asoiaf theories. don't care for the other stuff at all (westworld and whatnot)
@@dasaggropop1244 I love his 1000 worlds book club series, and his podcasts with RedTeamReview and Order of the Green Hand, I have never watched Westworld, but I do intent to at some point which is why I haven't watched his take on them
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It's worth a watch.
Though I haven't found season 3 all that interesting sadly.
Even when I think they're wrong, his videos are always at least well thought out and interesting.
Hey, Preston, I find your videos pretty convincing. The houses secretly supporting someone other than their liege lord seems to be a reoccuring theme - something that I always found interesting enough to warrant a discussion is the thought that if readers are able to piece these secrets together, which book characters are also able to do so? A question for the podcast, maybe?
Happy Sunday Preston. What a great video. Loved every minute. Was sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you to continue......next time I guess. Thanks and Happy Father's Day. Love 💘
This reader requires an understanding of cartography, geology, genetics, and the table of consanguinity to really see what's going on here.
Yeah the County of Barcelona had twin rulers, but at that time and area co-rulership was common between brothers, sometimes even cousins.
And those two twins from Barcelona were at odds with each other (maybe because one was called Ramon Berenguer and the other Berenguer Ramon) and one ended up killing the other.
Classic PJ. This is a masterful video. So many elements coming together.
Thanks for all your hard work Preston Jacobs.
It’s mentioned that cerci would be the heir if she were male. Her being born before Jamie
Mentioned by Cersei? Can't imagine why she would think it should be a concrete matter. ;d
@@Mprator It is known dat Cersei was born first. There's a passage, in the first book i think, where it's said dat Jamie came into the world clutching to her heel.
It's a bit easier when the twins are of different gender to keep tabs on which is which. Also, as mentioned by others, it was Cercei who thinks that, but it is Tywin who names his heir, that is, Jamie (though it should be Tyrion by the custom).
@@rhaenyratargaryen4394 Mprator isn't disputing who was born first, they're pointing out we learn that if she was male, Cersei would be the heir *according to Cersei*. It may not always be that simple, it may just be how Cersei thinks it should work because she would benefit if it did work that way (and if she was male too ofc!)
Yeah that is a big point if we're discussing if dornish law would ever be acknowledged in the other six kingdoms. In dornish law the oldest child (no matter if boy or girl) inherits everything. This conflict is reflected in each of the pov characters' thoughts repeatedly. while it showcases how sibling rivalry stops people from acting collectively it also hints that federalised dornish law would change the realm meaningfully, maybe even in ways the characters won't anticipate.
literally got on to go watch one of your old videos bc i was bored and here is your new one. what a pleasant surprise. :)
Hehe me too! 😅 I was just going to rewatch the night's watch series, or maybe the ones about the Freys. How about you? 🗡️
Happy father's day PJ. Hope your son is doing well! Great video as always
geez it's so detailled i feel like i'm spoiling myself the story, this feels like an investigation great work
Happy Father’s Day, TH-cam dad 👨🏻🦳
Happy Father's day to Daddy Preston !!!
Papa Preston
I was just thinking yesterday , i can’t wait for another Preston video , the gods have listen to my prayers !
Woah, I never considered the Blackfish declining these 3 marriage proposals out of honor (well, rather the lack of honor of the proposed houses) or their disloyalty... I always fought he was either not interested (what has a second son to gain from a marriage to a daughter that isn‘t the heir and has multiples higher in line of succession) or homosexual as you mentioned it...
I believe for once you have a totally real LEAD discovered here
Preston, you are legit a genius and a god among men. You have my absolute respect and reverence, good sir. Not to mention one of the funniest TH-camrs on the platform. Thank you for all the effort and hard work you put into your videos. It is very much appreciated by your fans!!
It’s always a good day when Preston uploads.
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Well I have to disagree that them being wealthy and having the arbour disproves that they are blackfyre supporter's.
After all House Yronwood participated in 3 rebellions and are still one of the strongest families in dorne.
The Brackens had close ties to Bittersteel and probably weren't punished that much, after all the Brackens are able to defeat the Blackwoods(they would have won the siege of Raventree with or without jaime)
Even the Peaks are pretty well off, after all Titus Peak is married to Margot Lannister ,a cousin of Tywin
And Gormunt Peake is referred to as "a great Lord".
I think your misconception comes from the Osgreys ,after all Eustace Osgrey is only a minor noble who has only 2 knights in his service.
However Maegor the Crule took coldmoat from the Osgreys and probably most of their lands and incomes b4.
So the Targaryens couldn't really take much land from them after the Blackfyre Rebellion.
Omg then I got a minute to sit down n listen n as soon as I hit play I remembered it was gonna get into Blackfyres n got giddy😁✨🙌🖤🔥 Bring it!
3:47 That's the image of Ser Hugh of the Vale from the wiki of ice and fire... I see what you did there...
I get so down on ASOIAF because it's never gonna have an ending until I reread them and remember how amazing they are
And just as I through it will be a boring sunday, Preston saves the day!
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This grew much more interesting then I have anticipated. You never fail to amaze me, Preston.
Very interesting... is Paxtor greedy enough to betray his cousin and life-long friend in the hopes of taking his land? Also lands and titles are extremely important, but a 30 year tax break on one of the world's most popular wines is a pretty damn good deal too.
This is feudalism... lands and titles mean more then money... they literally create thy money
@@michelmorio8026 Disagree...consider Baelish for a moment and you will realize that is not entirely true.
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Yes.
But he still thinks like his Braavosi ancestors.
I like how everyone always overlooks the fact that Varys was also the gruff Jailor down in the Black Cells and how the only one who knew his secret was Ned Stark, and so cannot be who he seems to be. #VarysIsRhaegar
Is that not Rugen? It seems unlikely Varys would have created two separate false identities for infiltrating the jail, which IIRC is packed with Littlefinger cronies.
Is that not Rugen? It seems unlikely Varys would have created two separate false identities for infiltrating the jail, which IIRC is packed with Littlefinger cronies.
@@johnnye87 Varys doesn't just infiltrate the jail, he knows all the secret passages under the castle, which is impressive since all the builders who knew the secrets were killed.
Varys was born and raised in the Red Keep, the only way of discovering secrets like those is if you have a lot of time on your hands, free reign over the castle, and you're small enough to go unnoticed.
Arya found her way into the dragon crypt because she was bored, noble and small. Varys was giving the dragon eggs to Illyiro to give to Dany, because as Rheagar, he found the eggs that Egg & Dunk attempted to hatch at Summerhall.
Also, Rhaegar was wearing a ruby chest plate, which means anyone could have been wearing the armor, and we'll never know because conveniently everybody suddenly stopped fighting and dove into the ford for his rubies. Also also, there's the whole Dunk & Egg is an inverted parallel to Tyrion & Varys thing.
Dude, Varys was already employed by the crown before the Rebellion. I feel like your theory needs some sort of literary proof that states that the 2 men were never seen in the same room or something to that effect, before it can be given any credibility.
preston uploading a vid
today was a good day
Can you analyze your favourite chapters after you are done prepping for winter? I love that kind of videos.
Love it! Nice short distraction from a crazy world! Can't wait for Part 4!
Will you be doing videos on the Dunk and Egg series?
I’d watch that in a heartbeat
Ha already made one (well at least if you consider unrealeased books part of the series)
Thank you Preston, as your usual self, this was informative and interesting. However, there are two problems with your explanation of Paxter Redwyne's refusal to be rewarded - first, in a feudal society, land is not simply a matter of making sure that your child has a place to crash; it is a means for generating wealth. There is no feudal state-of-mind that says "we do no need another castle because we do not have enough family members to occupy them all". Just think of Cadet branches. Moreover, even if Paxter's goal had been to secure both his sons with lands, the twins problem may very well rise again within a generation or two - the chances for having twins is to some extant hereditary; and just as you stress, GRRM considers heredity to be an important factor.
Second, even if we accept that the Redwynes are opportunistic (which is entirely plausible), that only means that they should have taken whatever was on the table after the Battle of the Blackwater, and check their options again later. If they are not a loyal bunch, there is no reason to think that accepting land would make them loyal. Just more opportunistic. With Margery married to Tommen and Loras on the Kingsguard, the Tyrells are too heavily linked to the Lannister cause, but the Redwynes should not be more loyal to the Lannister just because they had been paid by them. That is, of admittedly, if we ascribe the Redwynes the same level of loyalty as we would a sellsword.
Both these problems point to the same general question - given the uncertainty of Paxter's chances to secure Highgarden (even if he is open to joining the Aegon cause); given the status of land in feudal society; given that twins problem could be a constant issue for the Redwynes; and given the opportunist's tendency to hedge his bets, Paxter's openness to the the Aegon cause does not explain his reluctance to be rewarded after the Blackwater.
In Fire & Blood the succession precedent is clarified by Jason Lannister being born “mere heartbeats” before Tyland Lannister, who served as Hand of the King to Aegon III. Casterly Rock passed on to Jason’s young son and his wife ruled as regent while Tyland stayed in King’s Landing. Also on your point about the Redwynes, Fire & Blood states they’ve been marrying into Peake’s family for centuries, which supports who his friends are in the Reach.
Blackfish didn't leave Riverrun and Hoster until long after not marrying. He left after Ned and Jon Arryn wed Cat and Lysa and the rebellion started.
I know I'll be watching this at least 10 times before I absorb all the info; happy Father's day!
Awesome video! Preston is definitely up to something here.
Splitting lands between was probably one of the worst things to do with succession, as it weakens all the parts for external forces to step in and breeds conflict between the internal parts. One sole heir sure has problems but the alternatives at feudal times were usually a lot worse as it undermined/divided the powerbase of the ruling family.
Not always! It can also unify all the separate enemies against you! This politics the Britain’s always did since the 16th/17th against the power on the European continent... against the Spanish Empire; helping Prussia against French, Habsburgian Empire, Russia; Napoleonic Empire; German Empire and Third Reich... you could even days during their time in the EU from the inside
Besides, Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire (Charles I of Spain too) divided all his lands between his bother (Maximilian II) and son (Philipp II) which was very wise in that time, cause the lords and nobles in the Empire as the kings in Europe feared too much power in one hand and would have allied against such a force! If it weren‘t for the inbreeding of especially the Spanish Habsburgian side, the history of the last 300 years would have played out in a completely other way!
But yes, splittings like the Merovingians & Karolingians did was weakening to their dynasties... they often started to fight anyways for claims over the other‘s lands which ended in war and other forces/dynasties profit from it
And we're back! ❤
The Frey‘s are like the Stanley’s in the War of Roses... always opportunistic where you have more to gain or less to loose
And given the houses experiences through the several inner westerosi conflicts since the Targaryen rule, that is quite understandable and they are clearly not alone!
The Swann‘s were doing it also with one son in Renly‘s/Stannis‘ camp the other in Joffrey‘s, the Florents served Renly and Stannis at the same time (but till now set on the wrong horses) as were the Estermonts, their own blood and vassals!
Yeah people act like the Freys are the only Wait and see house. When in Reality everyone that can afford to do it does.
Tbf I think I'd rather take a huge longterm tax break instead of a promise of land considering how often those promises fall through. And the tax break is more likely to stay stable if the Lannisters lose the throne.
There will be a part 4! I love this.
Wow, cant believe the Redwyne thing goes back to the first book and I never noticed it.
Brilliant video. It also occurs to me when i watch this that loras was mysteriously injured at dragonstone where the redwynes were laying siege... if they are trying to wipe out mace tyrell's line it was a good opportunity. Also it makes me wonder whose idea it was for garlan to dress as renly and lead the charge at the blackwater. They could have used any more disposable soldier who fit into renlys armor. Maybe it was paxter redwynes idea...?
Brilliant Hoster Tully narration there Preston, truly excellent!
Always nice to see GRR’s references to other great fantasy/sci-fi writers.
I love this series and the intro so much
Great stuff, hope you're having a good father's day Preston.
If everyone named “tyrell” somehow dies due to Lannister action or in battle, horas and hobber will be the heirs to highgarden. One twin can get highgarden, the other can get the arbor
Thank you Professor Preston!
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oy! In the war of the five kings, the Freys weren't playing both sides. They stayed out of it, cause there was no point getting involved in a stupid war. Then they were promised a marriage to Robb. Well he broke his oath, so obviously they had to switch a non-oathbreaking side. A king unpredictable (and stupid) enough to marry for love can't be entrusted with the future of your family. [imagine that this was your family. Now imagine it's a dozen times bigger]
I’m just tuning into this series, not because I think GRRM will write up a payoff (I expect many plots to go the way of Quentyn because he has too many loose ends to tie up before aDoS), but because I want to see Preston do an accented narration of the sex scenes.
Go the way of Quentyn? Quentyn is alive and is central to the whole Dorne payoff
@@T-Dogg121 Especially when one considers the historical reference that Quentyn is inspired from, yeah, he's important for getting a Dornish Civil War going.
People were all going off on how "Quentyn's story is a deconstruction of the Hero's story" and I'm like: Sure there's a bit of that, but frankly it's more ripped straight out of a history book and had its serial numbers filed off. Horrible travelogue to a foreign country while under disguise, a secret marriage pact, surrounded by more charming and better looking companions than himself, refusal by the Princess he was intended to woo and wed, etc.
Charles I of England when he was Prince of Wales did all of that verbatim when he tried to woo a Princess of Spain, and failed.
From the Wiki about "the Spanish Match" as it was called:
So yeah, if history were to complete the rhyme, Quentyn would come home and help spark another Dance of Dragons--ruining Jon Con's plans to have Dorne on his side.
Which considering we're getting foreshadowing that there will be a second dance that all the Dornish characters are ignoring in Arianne's released chapters... yeah Quentyn is kinda important on that front potentially. So my bet is that while Quentyn will be badly burnt and disfigured, he won't be dead.
@@Salamon2 Holy shit...
Standing ovation PJ.
Thanks, Meister P. Have a Halpy and blessed father's day.
Happy Father’s Day Ser Preston
hugs. hope you're feeling better man.
Holy shit great timing! Was just browsing your channel
Can we just have Preston finish the books at this point?
So similar to how the Frey’s coveted Riverrun the Redwynes covet Highgarden. Makes sense to me lol
The 2nd most powerful house always wants to be the most powerful.
@@wisdommanari6701 It's funny that when Jamie discusses this subject with Brienne in ASOS he mentions the Florrents in the Reach, not the Redwynes
excellent as always, thank you!
Preston uploading makes my day
13:30 if redwynes joined the blackfyres at first, daemon would have near total naval supremacy-between him and daeron daemon had the most Velaryon blood through his maternal grandmother daenaera velaryon. Redwynes joining him means that the two largest fleets in Westeros (redwyne and royal Velaryon fleets) would be on the Blackfyre side
Love ya preston
Got me
Love the video! but why is there a quote about renlys death between the list about houses which got land? (8:40)
I believe to make it clear that Storm‘s End could be given also to some other lords... since Stannis is a traitor to the realm (from their POV) and Renly had no heir and Tommen now being king, their wouldn’t by anyone to inherit Storm‘s End (well, out of Mycella marrying someone and giving it to her and her husband)
The other quotes are examples too of Castles and titles that could be or really were given to others
Preston, do you ever think that you might not get closure on your theories? I don't mean... oohhhhhh, GRRM might not finish the books waaah. What I mean is, unless we get introduced to Sir Blabbermouth from House Exposition, nobody will be able to confirm this amazing content.
@@blaubeer8039 oh wow, really... look, don't go to too much effort on my account, but if you come across that interview, chuck a link my way please.
That intro is so good !!!
Why are you not probably wrong about half of this anymore?
Because you make the best analysis of asoiaf!
Great video, thank you Preston!
In Ukrainian history we had princes Danylo (Daniel) and Vasylko (Basil), ostensibly ruling as princes of Galicia and Volhynia respectively, but were, in fact, co-rulers, and were both referred as Kings of Ruthenia by travelers, such as William de Rubruck. The shared capital of Ruthenia, Holm (now Chelm in Poland) was built by Danylo technically on Vasylko's land, in western Volhynia (which would later become known as "New Galicia" for a short period of Habsburg rule before the Napoleonic Wars), but although they were co-Kings, the heir to the Kingdom was Lev (Leo), the son of Danylo, for whom he constructed a whole new capital, the city of Lviv, which became the historical center of Galicia. The interesting thing is - they weren't even twins, Danylo was a whole year older, yet they kept to this system, which allowed them to safeguard the kingdom from inner squables.
Whenever the intro music to this series stops, it sounds like the song "Roundabout" by Yes is about to start playing.
How do you think these divisions in the Reach will affect the upcoming Battle of Blood? Redwyne’s talked a lot about working with Greyjoys, and it would be neat if one of the massive fleets chose to play traitor and break the flank
I agree It's the kind of irony GRRM would relish.
It does seem pretty certain that Euron will win the upcoming battle.
I've been thinking about the Redwynes since the Deeper Dorne series, where you outlined the idea that the second-most powerful house of a kingdom should be the biggest threat to the ruling house. Without the Florents, doesn't that mean that the Redwynes should now be enemy #1 for the Tyrells? Also, I was never even convinced that the Florents were more powerful than the Redwynes to begin with...
In any case, there's kind of a parody between the Martells and the Tyrells if both of their greatest domestic rivals are Blackfyre supporters.
Also Olenna Redwyne famously rejected a Targaryen marriage
Only according to her...
Love it when I see Preston in my subscriptions!
Yessssss I've been wait for this video so stoked
Where does Preston get the character portraits that he uses in the videos? Does he make them himself or commission somebody to do them?
A lot of them are used on awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page also
Mind.Blown💥
A song of Hober and Horas
I bet most people here reread the ASOIAF books regularly... I won't be the only one who gets to a part Preston has read aloud and hear his character accent in their head...
Hey preston, are you ever going to make a fevre dream video?
Holy shit i did a spit take at the end there with the family tree