The difference between this and the Titan is like the meme about the difference between tech enthusiasts and tech workers. Tech enthusiasts have every smart device they can lay their hands on. Tech workers have a computer and a printer and a gun in case the printer makes a noise they don't recognise.
So in your analogy, the Titan is the tech worker and Alvin is the tech enthusiast? That's backward. Alvin is the professional. The Titan was the enthusiastic amateur (who, it turns out, should have left it to the professional who know what they're doing).
@@hyperdude144 The post you're talking about has the tech worker having bare bones and the tech enthusiast having all the bells and whistles. But that's not the case. Alvin had all the bells and whistles. Titan was bare bones. (Have you seen video of the interior? Bare bones is the perfect description of it.)
@@margaretalbrecht4650you misunderstand. Titan was built with all this tech googaws, such as real time hull health monitoring. It looked spartan but it had flashy tech that sounded good to idiots. Meanwhile Alvin has an old timey compass and analogue systems in case the computers fail. They can run without the shiny shit. Titan could not.
THIS. A lot of people don't know that. It happened due to two steel cables breaking while it was being transported, causing it to fall into the water with the hatch open. Three crew members were inside but they escaped. Once they found it the Aluminaut sub was used to attach cables and nets to it and it was lifted up to 50 feet where it was slowly carried back to Woods Hole. In other words, it sank...but it got better.
When the Alvin sunk the crew had left sandwiches behind & what they discovered was that at the depth the Alvin sunk, the sandwiches were well preserved, which led researchers to believe that the Titanic could also be in a good state of preservation (which due to the iron eating bacteria, Halomonas titanicae, is not the case).
If we consider that Alvin is launched and commissioned in 1964, she is in service for 59 or so years now. Wow!!! With exception of that little accident where she sunk due cable snaping and crew having hatch open, recovered and recommissioned. Its amazing but you can see difference how submersible is built. No game controller, no carbon fibre, its true sub. Heck this thing is far older then I am.
but nothing of when Alvin was first made is left... its the best example of a ship of Theseus.. the sphere was replaced..the electronics, the video systems, the coms, the thrusters , the batteries, the tanks, the external panels.. the skids..
@@tobiaswichert4843 Controller may work perfectly but as you say, fact that was wireless, that was what bugging me most. You cannot control such complex machine as submersible with a wireless controller, 100 things could go wrong.
Billionaire CEO: Carbon Fiber’s just as good as titanium! And cheaper! First Dive: Still really stoked with my carbon fiber hull, so good! And cheap! Second Dive: Almost routine now, hull still as good as new! And cheap! Third Dive: Going great as ever, still really happy! And richer! Fourth Dive: Wow, is there nothing this carbon fiber can’t do? So awesome! So cheap! Fifth Dive: Another day another awesome dive to the bottom of the occAubub………..
Alvin would cost roughly $50 million to replace. The Titan cost a maximum of $5 million. You really can't adequately compare the two, Titan was literally closer to a soapbox derby car than it was to Alvin.
@@gastonbell108 Good point. 1/10 the cost to replace the vessel; no amount of $ can replace lost lives. First thing I thought was why didn't they use the proven technology/design of the Alvin when planning this? The deep sea is no place to cut costs and experiment with cheaper methods, especially when lives are at stake...
@@gastonbell108 If the dead CEO touted it as a deep submergence vessel, I'm gonna compare it to other deep submergence vessels. And compared to them, it sucks. It sucks with more than 5000 PSI.
Although Alvin is some 60 or so years old, almost every component, including the pressure hull, has been upgraded/replaced at some point. Very few if any components are original to the early '60s version. A true ship of Theseus.
THIS is how an engineer should discuss his work. THIS is how engineers should engineer innovation within the bounds of the rulebook. Stockton Rush was an engineer, but flaunted his LG controller & completely digital interface housed within his uncertified sub. World of difference.
This is a proper system designed to go to 6000 m depth. All of the controls one would expect. Obviously completely certified and again the shape is a dome.
Thank you for an amazing video. I've been interested in this sub since I was a boy in the 80's and with the finding of the Titanic. In awe of what it could do then and even all these years later it still makes my jaw drop after seeing this video. It's a truly stunning work of engineering with no thought missed for safety, even though nothing is without danger or problems. After recent events it has hit home again what an unforgiving environment it is in the depths of the ocean, it's not meant for casual tourism. The amount of dives Alvin has made shows what can be done when there thorough thought and careful maintenance involved. Love the attitude of the guy as well. Top notch. Cheers.
This is what I would expect for a $250k ticket…not the surplus store DIY special. I think if the Titan victims had seen this video - they’d have thought twice before getting into that sinking cigar tube. What is super sad is that Hamish Harding went down to the deepest point in the ocean with Victor Vescovo in that magnificent sub “Limiting Factor”, and still fell for the assurances fed by Ocean Gate’s late CEO.
It's about having the right tool for the job. I'd have no qualms about visiting Titanic in Alvin, but I'd rather have my race car made of carbon fibre than titanium... made by someone who knows what they're doing.
Watch this guy give an excellent in depth tour of his tried and true DSV design, and then watch Stockton rush's exact same video tour he did with a reporter... It's fucking unbelievable... This guy is giving a thorough run down and explanation of all the features and safety backups of the sub, while Mr. Rush is just waving around a PlayStation controller and laughing and bragging about the fact his sub only has 1 button... It's a shame Stockton had to kill 4 other poor souls with his incompetence and arrogance
This is probably the most capable research submersible ever built. The constant updates have kept it at the top of its game since it was first built. AFIK, this Alvin shares no original components with the first iteration of the submersible.
are you sure? i don't know about scientific equipment on these subs but Limiting Factor can go like 5km deeper (8 acthchthually but we don't have 14km deep places yet)
@@ser_igel It's also smaller, only holding 2 people instead of 3 on Alvin. That alone makes it less capable as a research sub, and therefore means it's also less likely to be supported by the scientific community. Alvin isn't neccessarily more capable just by it's own merits, it's more that it works as a platform that scientists can modify and build on top of for each mission. Maybe limiting factor will become that to some extent as well, but currently it isn''t.
@@cosmicinsane516 absolutely not, wireless(!) consumer grade controller with no backup steering control is a terrible design, it would be fine for controlling drone or a periscope on a sub etc.. but not on a mission critical equipment. This thing was just a terrible design all around.
@@cosmicinsane516 I was being unconscious... everything was very precarious in OceanGate. these things must be like airplanes. tested and perfect so as not to fail unless it is a human error.
@@SawdEndymon That was in the older versions. Currently it can individually detach each thruster, arm and the "basket", Since those are by far the most prone to getting stuck on something.
It's incredible to see the amount of safety measurements and redundancies in this sub has compared to the Titan. It does show how baflfing that sumergiable was. They basically designed it to fail.
They would be insane to scrap this thing, it took 4 years just to build the titanium sphere in the 60s... It's more difficult than building a space capsule hull.
@@romigithepope No, no, I agree with you. There are plenty of people who understand what's required. Don't know how it's being reported in the States, but in the UK, the media is going on like this was some pioneering mission. They don't seem to 'get' that our Navy regularly dives deeper, and that James Cameron alone has been down to the Titanic more than 30 times and has also been 3x deeper. I'm far from even being an enthusiast, let alone an expert, but from what I hear, over 200 people have been down to the Titanic, and a fair few have been down the Marina Trench - 3x deeper? The Titan disaster is a big deal, because after 60 years of doing this kind of thing, it's the first time there's been an implosion, as I understand it, and what a shocker, it happened to be run by some cowboy operation who tried to do things on the cheap.
@@somebodyelseuk US Navy and Woods Hole, a private company, working together. The group that found the Titanic in the first place I think. The purpose really to find information on two lost US submarines during the cold war.
I have never really looked at the world of submersibles until the Titan tragedy. I am stunned by the difference in the extent of equipment between the two (game controller and strip lights versus a complete mini-sub). I always thought trips to the Titanic could only take place with fully licensed vehicles. What am I missing ?
This is how you build a serious sub, .lots of technology, but basic operations, but very safe materials- titanium titanium titanium!! No carbon fiber crew sphere.
The Titan iirc had both Titanium and Carbon Fiber for its pressure hull. It sounds good on paper - combine two lightweight yet tough materials - but there's a reason no one in the DSV community recommends using both materials in combination: because their different properties combined actually makes for a hull that doesn't withstand repeated dives under deep sea pressure that well. And since the CEO was cheapskate enough to not perform hull integrity inspections on the submersible after every dive the hull weakened with each dive until it led to the implosion.
Hey, a titanium sphere that doesn’t dive to the actual limits of its “design parameters”. Not a parallel latitudinal woven carbon fiber cylinder that operates at the upper bound of its designed tolerance (though clearly those tolerances weren’t thoroughly modeled or tested with regards to cyclic failure)
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While I was watching this I noticed something that I thought was darkly ironic: Both the Titan and the Alvin have/had devices by Logitech on board. In the case of the Titan it was the infamous game controller that was used to actually control the sub. In the case of the Alvin it's the little white keyboard with integrated trackpad he's using to click on things on the screen where the touch screen was being finicky (I have a slightly fancier version with auto backlit keys). The difference being while the controller was the only thing controlling the Titan the keyboard in the Alvin is completely secondary (as is the computer it's connected to) since all the Alvin's systems are analog and can be controlled by switches.
The controller likely had nothing to do with why the Titan imploded, it was merely a symptom of the cost cutting and cavalier attitude Rush took to engineering and safety practices.
the controller wasnt all that was steering Titan.. they controled the thrusters throught at least one computer.. the controller was just an interface with that that could be moved arround in the cockpit.. you still could pilot it from the computer or other controller (as they had spares). Imagine had they also installed a fancy Thrustmaster warthog joystick
@@fdsman I think the reason people bring it up so often is that the controller is also a _symbol_ of the cost-cutting, and it's one that pretty much everyone on the internet understands at a glance. "They couldn't even spring for an on-brand!?" Most people don't know much about sub design, but any moderately serious console gamer could find problems with the Titan controller.
This thing can go to 6,000 meters but it never will, it probably wont go below 4500 because the safety factor of giving yourself 25-30% margins on that design limit.
Alvin is amazing, I didn't know it was still in use. The current technology level is awesome, so much safety built in with analogue controls to be sure it works. The people who built Titan should have learned from this.
I WOULD FEEL SAFE GOING ON A DIVE ON THE TITANIC WITH BRUCE BECAUSE HE IS A PROFESSIONAL AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING UNLIKE OCEANGATE WHO I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN AND ARE A BUNCH OF AMATEURS ! ! !💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
If an airplane has something go catastrophically wrong, you tend to have less time to sit around and wait for the other shoe to fall. A submarine (if youre not lucky enough to have it suddenly and instantaneously become someone elses problem) becomes a long protracted game of hurry up and wait
@@emilyrobinson6080 I mean it's all *highly* situational. If your engine goes out at 15,000 feet and you've got your choice of seven different airports in gliding distance to land at, you're probably gonna be fine. It's when you lose power on takeoff and you've got minimal airspeed and altitude with nowhere good to land nearby that you're in trouble.
@ 4:44 DSV Alvin Guide: It's funny haha, It didn't switch. Oh alright. How about this? Never give you up. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you.
They’d x-ray the heck out of it to ensure no air-pockets or voids etc, and if they found one then they might make a whole new one(?). They weld hull components on nuke subs too and QC-check every millimetre.
I think they had to weld it, because it's titanium. As I understand it, each half was hot formed from flat plate into a hemisphere, and then welding together. Tricky to do, but easier and probably more consistent and stronger than trying to cast titanium. Believe titanium has to be vacuum cast because it's so reactive when heated.
It's electron beam welded. This type of welding has the weld sometimes stronger than the material around it. The windows are made of really thick acrylic and cone shaped so the pressure pushes them inwards and strengthens the seal.
Its amazing how much this sub is a cross of an Apollo module and a space ex module. And that the Titan sub is nowhere near the technological advancement of either. But Stockon would leave you to believe it was. Titan has 1 button on the sub and use a touch screen computer/keyboard/game controller for EVERYTHING. Where as if done right it should look like this sub and have analog controls in case the PC crashes.
Even less inspiring: there's a 50 year old white Navy guy right there. He likely even knows what he's doing and won't let you be negligent for profit. What a downer.
What actual intelligent innovators look like. This is the other thing I don't understand, the titan was supposed to be soooo innovative because regulations were "holding him back" but like, this does the exact same trip... only it comes back? Also, for 250k, I bet you could get a spot on this. So where is the innovation with ocean gate? What's the new thing??
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I think I'll take this one down to the Titanic next time
It has been to the Titanic many times Alvin is 59 years old and has be proven to be safe over and over.
@@Edward135iAlvin have too many safety features if something gone wrong! The other one had just a tablet
@@Edward135ithey just finished recertifying it with the new pressure hull , three ports in front instead of 1
Yeah. This looks betterer. Not so implody and deathy.
it’s missing a wireless controller, i’ll pass
The chad Sphered Titanium hull of Alvin vs the Carbon fiber toilet paper roll of Oceangate Titan.
😂
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"Can you imagine being such a bitch you implode at 4000m?!? Couldn't be me." -Alvin
🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant that
The difference between this and the Titan is like the meme about the difference between tech enthusiasts and tech workers.
Tech enthusiasts have every smart device they can lay their hands on.
Tech workers have a computer and a printer and a gun in case the printer makes a noise they don't recognise.
@@missingsig It's cringe, but he is right.
So in your analogy, the Titan is the tech worker and Alvin is the tech enthusiast? That's backward. Alvin is the professional. The Titan was the enthusiastic amateur (who, it turns out, should have left it to the professional who know what they're doing).
@@margaretalbrecht4650 The Alvin is the tech worker, of course. Multiple redundant and analogue systems, for when digitals crap out.
@@hyperdude144 The post you're talking about has the tech worker having bare bones and the tech enthusiast having all the bells and whistles.
But that's not the case. Alvin had all the bells and whistles. Titan was bare bones. (Have you seen video of the interior? Bare bones is the perfect description of it.)
@@margaretalbrecht4650you misunderstand. Titan was built with all this tech googaws, such as real time hull health monitoring. It looked spartan but it had flashy tech that sounded good to idiots. Meanwhile Alvin has an old timey compass and analogue systems in case the computers fail. They can run without the shiny shit. Titan could not.
Alvin has a perfect safety record btw. One time it flooded and sank, but it was recovered a year later and put back into service
THIS. A lot of people don't know that. It happened due to two steel cables breaking while it was being transported, causing it to fall into the water with the hatch open. Three crew members were inside but they escaped. Once they found it the Aluminaut sub was used to attach cables and nets to it and it was lifted up to 50 feet where it was slowly carried back to Woods Hole.
In other words, it sank...but it got better.
Nothing on the current Alvin is shared with the sub that sank
When the Alvin sunk the crew had left sandwiches behind & what they discovered was that at the depth the Alvin sunk, the sandwiches were well preserved, which led researchers to believe that the Titanic could also be in a good state of preservation (which due to the iron eating bacteria, Halomonas titanicae, is not the case).
They dropped it.. lol
@@Fekillix so it's like the ship of theseus
The Chad Alvin vs the virgin Titan
YES
The Titan, it all works with just one switch.
The Alvin, thousands of switches.
It is rare to see someone who has mastered their craft as well as this guy has. He knows that machine cold
If we consider that Alvin is launched and commissioned in 1964, she is in service for 59 or so years now. Wow!!! With exception of that little accident where she sunk due cable snaping and crew having hatch open, recovered and recommissioned. Its amazing but you can see difference how submersible is built. No game controller, no carbon fibre, its true sub. Heck this thing is far older then I am.
but nothing of when Alvin was first made is left... its the best example of a ship of Theseus.. the sphere was replaced..the electronics, the video systems, the coms, the thrusters , the batteries, the tanks, the external panels.. the skids..
@@sparrowltbut there is continuity in the parts to the original Alvin, therefore it is still the same submersible.
@@connormclernon26 well that is literally what the Ship of Theseus question is about.
The game controller itself is not a bad choice, those are really refined control devices. But it being wireless is so much more questionable, though.
@@tobiaswichert4843 Controller may work perfectly but as you say, fact that was wireless, that was what bugging me most. You cannot control such complex machine as submersible with a wireless controller, 100 things could go wrong.
Alvin’s engineers need a raise 💰
The thick titanium sphere pressure hull never fails. It is rock solid.
Only the port holes are possible weak spots. And hatch.
Carbon fiber is better lol
@@deshawnclark4459😆😆😆😆😆😆 really
cylinder carbon fiber hull is the best.. sorry kidding..
Billionaire CEO: Carbon Fiber’s just as good as titanium! And cheaper!
First Dive: Still really stoked with my carbon fiber hull, so good! And cheap!
Second Dive: Almost routine now, hull still as good as new! And cheap!
Third Dive: Going great as ever, still really happy! And richer!
Fourth Dive: Wow, is there nothing this carbon fiber can’t do? So awesome! So cheap!
Fifth Dive: Another day another awesome dive to the bottom of the occAubub………..
In light of the Titan tragedy...
This is what a NAVSEA & ABS certified and rigorously tested submersible looks like.
In light of, not in lieu of
Alvin would cost roughly $50 million to replace. The Titan cost a maximum of $5 million. You really can't adequately compare the two, Titan was literally closer to a soapbox derby car than it was to Alvin.
@@gastonbell108 Good point. 1/10 the cost to replace the vessel; no amount of $ can replace lost lives. First thing I thought was why didn't they use the proven technology/design of the Alvin when planning this? The deep sea is no place to cut costs and experiment with cheaper methods, especially when lives are at stake...
@@gastonbell108 If the dead CEO touted it as a deep submergence vessel, I'm gonna compare it to other deep submergence vessels. And compared to them, it sucks. It sucks with more than 5000 PSI.
@@gastonbell108with that logic, a $10000 car cannot be compared to a $100000 just because of the price difference? makes sense
Alvin is lowkey one of the most impressive machines humanity ever built
I want to sleep in this thing. looks so cozy and safe.
Although Alvin is some 60 or so years old, almost every component, including the pressure hull, has been upgraded/replaced at some point. Very few if any components are original to the early '60s version. A true ship of Theseus.
You should improve the sub by cutting it in half and putting a carbon tube glued to each end in the middle
The titan team, the ENTIRE team, wouldn’t be qualified to clean the Alvin
There's a damn good reason for everything that went into that.
This guy is so meek and yet I’m absolutely sure he’s a giant
THIS is how an engineer should discuss his work. THIS is how engineers should engineer innovation within the bounds of the rulebook.
Stockton Rush was an engineer, but flaunted his LG controller & completely digital interface housed within his uncertified sub. World of difference.
This is a proper system designed to go to 6000 m depth. All of the controls one would expect. Obviously completely certified and again the shape is a dome.
Thank you for an amazing video. I've been interested in this sub since I was a boy in the 80's and with the finding of the Titanic. In awe of what it could do then and even all these years later it still makes my jaw drop after seeing this video. It's a
truly stunning work of engineering with no thought missed for safety, even though nothing is without danger or problems. After recent events it has hit home again what an unforgiving environment it is in the depths of the ocean, it's not meant for casual tourism. The amount of dives Alvin has made shows what can be done when there thorough thought and careful maintenance involved. Love the attitude of the guy as well. Top notch. Cheers.
Thanks for your comments. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Crazy to think my grandfather worked on Alvin! I remember looking at his Alvin patches on his airforce jacket.
Yo, where's the USB port? I need to pop in my Mad Catz controller for some hot Unreal Tournament action (or we can play Tribes, whatever)
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is there chronus support?
This is what I would expect for a $250k ticket…not the surplus store DIY special. I think if the Titan victims had seen this video - they’d have thought twice before getting into that sinking cigar tube.
What is super sad is that Hamish Harding went down to the deepest point in the ocean with Victor Vescovo in that magnificent sub “Limiting Factor”, and still fell for the assurances fed by Ocean Gate’s late CEO.
To me ALVIN is a trusted name, I’ve heard of this sub for decades now.
Now THAT is how you design a fuckin sub!
Alvin is my favorite deep submersible of Theseus. Every upgrade has made it better and safer. 👍
Oh, this is what they’re supposed to be built & look like?
I’d personally trust my life to three inch thick titanium over carbon fiber any day of the week
It's about having the right tool for the job. I'd have no qualms about visiting Titanic in Alvin, but I'd rather have my race car made of carbon fibre than titanium... made by someone who knows what they're doing.
@@somebodyelseuk That is until you're racing at the abyssal plain 😄
@@Jman926 if ur racing at the abyssal plain in a car probably ur not a very good driver..
@@somebodyelseukto be fair a race car made of titanium will turn any car you crash into to tissue paper before it kills you
@@ser_igel or you're a really good driver. I meam, depending on intent.
Watch this guy give an excellent in depth tour of his tried and true DSV design, and then watch Stockton rush's exact same video tour he did with a reporter... It's fucking unbelievable... This guy is giving a thorough run down and explanation of all the features and safety backups of the sub, while Mr. Rush is just waving around a PlayStation controller and laughing and bragging about the fact his sub only has 1 button... It's a shame Stockton had to kill 4 other poor souls with his incompetence and arrogance
Alvin is a icon In the submersible world
The Alvin is the pioneer of submarines. Goes through full certification.
Rush was like we don’t need redundancy. Just a game controller and cookies
I can't believe he went with the more qualified team to build this sub and didn't use young kids straight outta college.
This is probably the most capable research submersible ever built. The constant updates have kept it at the top of its game since it was first built.
AFIK, this Alvin shares no original components with the first iteration of the submersible.
are you sure?
i don't know about scientific equipment on these subs but Limiting Factor can go like 5km deeper (8 acthchthually but we don't have 14km deep places yet)
@@ser_igel It's also smaller, only holding 2 people instead of 3 on Alvin. That alone makes it less capable as a research sub, and therefore means it's also less likely to be supported by the scientific community. Alvin isn't neccessarily more capable just by it's own merits, it's more that it works as a platform that scientists can modify and build on top of for each mission.
Maybe limiting factor will become that to some extent as well, but currently it isn''t.
Are you familiar with the thought experiment, 'The Ship of Theseus? ' in the field of identity metaphysics?
@@JSTRonline2People bring it up, but it's mostly meaningless for the day to day.
This is so cool, looks like a great place to work!
Alvin is an old design but it really works well. Definitely not running from a game controller.
The game controller was one of the few good design choices they made on Titan.
@@cosmicinsane516 absolutely not, wireless(!) consumer grade controller with no backup steering control is a terrible design, it would be fine for controlling drone or a periscope on a sub etc.. but not on a mission critical equipment. This thing was just a terrible design all around.
@@autumn6994 Yeah wireless was sketchy, but other than that I would have no qualms about it. I’d worry far more about computer controlled thrusters.
@@cosmicinsane516 I was being unconscious... everything was very precarious in OceanGate. these things must be like airplanes. tested and perfect so as not to fail unless it is a human error.
That game controller was only a minor issue amongst the many terrible flaws of this “submersible”.
See now this looks safe
Man this thing compared to Titan looks like space ship
The thing can *literally detach* the cabin and go balistically to the surface.
*I’m not kidding*
@@SawdEndymon That was in the older versions. Currently it can individually detach each thruster, arm and the "basket", Since those are by far the most prone to getting stuck on something.
ALVIN does not use an XBOX Game Controller to pilot.
It's incredible to see the amount of safety measurements and redundancies in this sub has compared to the Titan.
It does show how baflfing that sumergiable was. They basically designed it to fail.
This stuff is incredible, thank you for sharing!
I remember seeing TV specials of this thing as a kid in the early 80s, maybe even the 70s
I'm glad that they are still upgrading it instead of just scrapping it like other companies would have done.
People who insist that government is inefficient compared to the private sector would do well to note this.
They would be insane to scrap this thing, it took 4 years just to build the titanium sphere in the 60s... It's more difficult than building a space capsule hull.
Now compare this to the Titan. These people understood the risk.
I might be wrong, but in this case, 'these people' were the US Navy.
@@somebodyelseukI should have been more clear. WHOI understands the risk of deep sea exploration.
@@romigithepope No, no, I agree with you. There are plenty of people who understand what's required. Don't know how it's being reported in the States, but in the UK, the media is going on like this was some pioneering mission. They don't seem to 'get' that our Navy regularly dives deeper, and that James Cameron alone has been down to the Titanic more than 30 times and has also been 3x deeper. I'm far from even being an enthusiast, let alone an expert, but from what I hear, over 200 people have been down to the Titanic, and a fair few have been down the Marina Trench - 3x deeper?
The Titan disaster is a big deal, because after 60 years of doing this kind of thing, it's the first time there's been an implosion, as I understand it, and what a shocker, it happened to be run by some cowboy operation who tried to do things on the cheap.
@@somebodyelseuk US Navy and Woods Hole, a private company, working together. The group that found the Titanic in the first place I think. The purpose really to find information on two lost US submarines during the cold war.
I have never really looked at the world of submersibles until the Titan tragedy. I am stunned by the difference in the extent of equipment between the two (game controller and strip lights versus a complete mini-sub). I always thought trips to the Titanic could only take place with fully licensed vehicles. What am I missing ?
Apparently less was more...
Alvin is legendary.
Alvin looks like a spaceship
Its crazy how basic the titan was compared to properly built deep sea subs
Stockton had no money. He just wanted to make money.
This is how you build a serious sub, .lots of technology, but basic operations, but very safe materials- titanium titanium titanium!! No carbon fiber crew sphere.
The Titan iirc had both Titanium and Carbon Fiber for its pressure hull. It sounds good on paper - combine two lightweight yet tough materials - but there's a reason no one in the DSV community recommends using both materials in combination: because their different properties combined actually makes for a hull that doesn't withstand repeated dives under deep sea pressure that well. And since the CEO was cheapskate enough to not perform hull integrity inspections on the submersible after every dive the hull weakened with each dive until it led to the implosion.
Sir, what a great job you have
Mercury trim system. Coolest thing I learnt today.
Hey, a titanium sphere that doesn’t dive to the actual limits of its “design parameters”. Not a parallel latitudinal woven carbon fiber cylinder that operates at the upper bound of its designed tolerance (though clearly those tolerances weren’t thoroughly modeled or tested with regards to cyclic failure)
this guy is great.
5000 dives, tried and true!
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Wonderful walkthrough, cheers.
All this control panels seems effective ,it's not giving me that inspirational feeling
A bright mind.
So this is what a submersible is supposed to look like. Having watched various videos about Titan it was clearly criminal in its design.
While I was watching this I noticed something that I thought was darkly ironic:
Both the Titan and the Alvin have/had devices by Logitech on board.
In the case of the Titan it was the infamous game controller that was used to actually control the sub.
In the case of the Alvin it's the little white keyboard with integrated trackpad he's using to click on things on the screen where the touch screen was being finicky (I have a slightly fancier version with auto backlit keys).
The difference being while the controller was the only thing controlling the Titan the keyboard in the Alvin is completely secondary (as is the computer it's connected to) since all the Alvin's systems are analog and can be controlled by switches.
The controller likely had nothing to do with why the Titan imploded, it was merely a symptom of the cost cutting and cavalier attitude Rush took to engineering and safety practices.
the controller wasnt all that was steering Titan.. they controled the thrusters throught at least one computer.. the controller was just an interface with that that could be moved arround in the cockpit.. you still could pilot it from the computer or other controller (as they had spares).
Imagine had they also installed a fancy Thrustmaster warthog joystick
@@fdsman I think the reason people bring it up so often is that the controller is also a _symbol_ of the cost-cutting, and it's one that pretty much everyone on the internet understands at a glance. "They couldn't even spring for an on-brand!?" Most people don't know much about sub design, but any moderately serious console gamer could find problems with the Titan controller.
This thing can go to 6,000 meters but it never will, it probably wont go below 4500 because the safety factor of giving yourself 25-30% margins on that design limit.
I believe, that the 6000 meters is certified depth, including the safety margin.
@@mikas2051 That's correct. There is a safety factor that goes beyond 6000 meters.
I was wondering if analog was preferable to digital at least for stuff like this.
This chap is really interesting to listen to.
Alvin is amazing, I didn't know it was still in use. The current technology level is awesome, so much safety built in with analogue controls to be sure it works. The people who built Titan should have learned from this.
Ill take this over a game controller and a singular button any day😂
Forward this to anyone you know building their own Deep Sea Submersible.
That cabin looks roomier that it actually is due to camera effects
Coffee machine? Toilet? Day bed? Get this sorted!
I WOULD FEEL SAFE GOING ON A DIVE ON THE TITANIC WITH BRUCE BECAUSE HE IS A PROFESSIONAL AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING UNLIKE OCEANGATE WHO I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN AND ARE A BUNCH OF AMATEURS ! ! !💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Alvin is disassembled inspected and reassembled every 5 years and then inspected by the US NAVY and is owned by the navy
im a pilot, and operating a sub seems way more complicated and life and death than any aircraft ive flown
If an airplane has something go catastrophically wrong, you tend to have less time to sit around and wait for the other shoe to fall. A submarine (if youre not lucky enough to have it suddenly and instantaneously become someone elses problem) becomes a long protracted game of hurry up and wait
@@emilyrobinson6080 I mean it's all *highly* situational. If your engine goes out at 15,000 feet and you've got your choice of seven different airports in gliding distance to land at, you're probably gonna be fine. It's when you lose power on takeoff and you've got minimal airspeed and altitude with nowhere good to land nearby that you're in trouble.
The magic to alvin is it's a sphere
@ 4:44
DSV Alvin Guide: It's funny haha, It didn't switch. Oh alright. How about this?
Never give you up. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you.
Titan had a single button. Much simpler.
Labeled: SINK
A very interesting vid, not sure i am brave enough to go down in this Sub, but it is impressive
thanks
"Redundant," "redundant," "redundant," ... 'redundant redundant.'
Well engineered, with safety always in mind.
This is proper engineering
now THIS is a sub. So cool.
How does the welding of the two pressure hull halves work? I would assume that's the weakest point of the hull.
A *proper* weld is just as strong as the metal pieces being welded.
They’d x-ray the heck out of it to ensure no air-pockets or voids etc, and if they found one then they might make a whole new one(?). They weld hull components on nuke subs too and QC-check every millimetre.
I think they had to weld it, because it's titanium. As I understand it, each half was hot formed from flat plate into a hemisphere, and then welding together. Tricky to do, but easier and probably more consistent and stronger than trying to cast titanium. Believe titanium has to be vacuum cast because it's so reactive when heated.
A properly done weld should (in theory, anyway) be as strong as the material around it. I would think the viewing windows would be the weaker points.
It's electron beam welded. This type of welding has the weld sometimes stronger than the material around it. The windows are made of really thick acrylic and cone shaped so the pressure pushes them inwards and strengthens the seal.
Analog is best
Its amazing how much this sub is a cross of an Apollo module and a space ex module. And that the Titan sub is nowhere near the technological advancement of either. But Stockon would leave you to believe it was.
Titan has 1 button on the sub and use a touch screen computer/keyboard/game controller for EVERYTHING. Where as if done right it should look like this sub and have analog controls in case the PC crashes.
so very cool
You mean to tell me that the Alvin isnt controlled by a cheesy $40 Xbox controller?
They didn't have Xboxes in the 1960s when they made DSV Alvin...
Even less inspiring: there's a 50 year old white Navy guy right there. He likely even knows what he's doing and won't let you be negligent for profit. What a downer.
Is it still ALVIN? Or is it the ship of Theseus at this point?
I believe Alvin's gotten the Theseus treatment about three times over by now!
I'm thinking some of the tips are for if you somehow manage to crash onto an island etc and are stranded on land as such.
It's a first aid kit they got at the store, so the safety tips are for camping and such. Pretty funny in the context of a sub
Can it play cs go at 4K?
It can play Titanic: Honor and Glory at 8K.
This actually looks robust unlike the titan
a good redundant system incase the ballast doesnt release, could be to drop the arms from the vehicle. Wonder how much mass they have.
He mentioned it in the video, everything can be dropped off in an emergency. Arms, hull thrusters, cage, batteries, ballasting system...
Из дубина интернета извукли смо Алвина!
Where's the Playstation controller? I'm not going under water without one.
What actual intelligent innovators look like.
This is the other thing I don't understand, the titan was supposed to be soooo innovative because regulations were "holding him back" but like, this does the exact same trip... only it comes back? Also, for 250k, I bet you could get a spot on this.
So where is the innovation with ocean gate? What's the new thing??
Conning people into thinking a carbon fiber coffin is safe was the innovation
@@Xphyzeek lololol cue Arrested development music "And THAT, kids, is why you don't trust billionaires"
this arvin had too many buttons for ocean gates brain to process
Also, Alvin was built in the 1960s. To date it has done thousands of dives...
Dying to own the libz
Soundly engineered
oh look its a metal sphere able to take work-fatigue strain whoa
Cylindrical hull is fine at least down to 5 kilometers (see Aluminaut). Has to be metal though.
What sort of batteries do they run ? and if lithium What protection do they have if shorting out with smoke and fire
As you can see in the video, emergency breathing apparatuses with their own supply and fire extinguishers.
Until a couple of years ago it used lead acid batteries. The potential fire hazard from lithium ion was a challenge to overcome when they switched.
The batteries are also in a different compartment, separate from the pressure vessel.
The batteries can also be outright dropped in emergencies, though I don't know if the fire procedure involves this
No wonder OceanGate was a pariah. It takes a lot to do dangerous things safely. A lot that they did not see fit to do.
Analogue i like that
Looks a little better than that anxious crew in that exploding coffin
Well alote better
How on Earth did the people of Oceangate get fooled by a fool?