Convergence of an Interesting Series

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
  • We show that the sum from 1 to infinity of sqrt{n^4 + 1} - n^2 is convergent. We also include a simple proof that the sum of 1/n^2 is convergent.
    00:00 A trick to simplify
    02:27 Convergence of 1/n^2
    04:20 Method of differences
    06:29 Considering negatives

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  • @ifomichev
    @ifomichev 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    There is a slight flaw in argumentation. The fact that the series is bounded from below does not automatically mean that it's convergent. The sine function is bounded too, but it does not converge. The reason why it's convergent is that it is bounded from above and increasing (per your argument that each individual element in the sum is greater than zero).

    • @vinko8237
      @vinko8237 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      It is bounded, and every term is positive, so the sum is strictly increasing, and limited from above. That is enough

    • @DrBarker
      @DrBarker  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      Very good point! This could have been explained much more clearly - every term is positive, so the important property is that the sum is increasing, rather than just that it is bounded from below.

    • @boguslawszostak1784
      @boguslawszostak1784 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DrBarker we have in 1:40 Sum =1/(sqrt(x^4+1)+x^2)>0

  • @LeviATallaksen
    @LeviATallaksen 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I guess the relevance of positive terms isn't just that the sum can't be negative, but also that the partial sums keep increasing towards either infinity or an upper bound. After all, a general series could also diverge by oscillation.

    • @skylardeslypere9909
      @skylardeslypere9909 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly

    • @DrBarker
      @DrBarker  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Very good point - this could have been explained much better!

  • @Bayerwaldler
    @Bayerwaldler 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The quick and dirty way would go something like this:
    sqrt(n^4 +1) = n^2(sqrt(1 + 1/n^4) ~ n^2(1+1/(2n^4)) = n^2 + 1/(2n^2). The whole expression therefore ~ 1/(2n^2) …

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    My first idea was multiplying by (sqrt(n^4+1)+n^2)/(sqrt(n^4+1)+n^2)
    then comparison test
    Series 1/n^2 is convergent so given series also is convergent
    Based on that he wrote in the description it is good way

  • @vvop
    @vvop 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Lovely. A nice quick derivation with one eye on the election, I guess.😆

  • @koenth2359
    @koenth2359 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Very nice!
    Alternatively, set (n+e)^4=n^4+1, from which it follows that 0 < e < 1/4n^3.
    Therefore sqrt(n^4+1) -n^2 < (n+ 1/4n^3)^2 - n^2 = 1/2n^2+1/16n^6
    Knowing that Σ1/n^k exists for k>1, it follows that the series is convergent.
    Using the known values for ζ(2) and ζ(6) it follows that the value is smaller than π^2/12 + π^6/15120 < 0.89

    • @DrBarker
      @DrBarker  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This is a very nice alternative!

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your second and third lines have errors because they are missing required grouping symbols.
      For example, 1/4n^3 *means* (1/4)n^3 by the Order of Operations. So, you need to have written
      0 < e < 1/(4n^3) to express what you intended. And so on.

  • @vk5hse
    @vk5hse 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Let (n^2 + eta)^2 = n^4 + 1
    It follows that eta^2 + (2n^2)eta = 1
    It follows that eta must be smaller than 1/(2 * n^2) if we have (eta^2 + (2n^2)eta) = 1
    It can also be noted in passing that eta^2 will be smaller than 1/(4* n^4)
    Accordingly sqrt(n^4 + 1) = n^2 + era
    So, sqrt(n^4 + 1) - n^2 = eta
    And since eta < 1/n^2, the sum of the series must converge.

  • @mathmachine4266
    @mathmachine4266 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Of course it's convergent. It's (n²+1/(2n²)+O(1/n⁶)-n²), so its O(n^-2).

  • @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
    @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3 ton Elephant in the room is the sum of the squares of the reciprocals famously converges to PI^2/6.
    Your way is instructive in the sense is proves convergence without finding the value series converges to.

  • @eiseks3410
    @eiseks3410 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The sum is approximately √2 - 5 +√17- (5/8) + (π^2/12) 😂

  • @redrosin99
    @redrosin99 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just multiply by root(n^4+1) +n^2 and divide by the same. You get 1 over root(n^4 +1) + n^2 that clearly goes to zero.

    • @pedroteran5885
      @pedroteran5885 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's a necessary but not sufficient condition for the series to converge.

  • @bntns
    @bntns 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For The Completion!

  • @plutothetutor1660
    @plutothetutor1660 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I haven't watched the video but i think comparison with 1/n² would work well

  • @dontobillo
    @dontobillo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    what about the value?

    • @seitanarchist
      @seitanarchist 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That is likely very difficult, if not impossible, to figure out. I would bet that it is unknown. Even computing the much more basic sum of the terms 1/n^2 requires somewhat sophisticated machinery.

  • @tenormin4522
    @tenormin4522 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    But what is the sum?

    • @LuizPoublan
      @LuizPoublan 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's another beast entirely

    • @dalibormaksimovic6399
      @dalibormaksimovic6399 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I calculated it, its around pi^2 /12

    • @user-cd9dd1mx4n
      @user-cd9dd1mx4n 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@dalibormaksimovic6399
      No. It is around
      0.734572122454611
      But pi^2/12 is around
      0.822467
      Percentage error is about 11.97%. Hence not a good approximation.

    • @dalibormaksimovic6399
      @dalibormaksimovic6399 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-cd9dd1mx4n I know, when I just ignored in expansion everything after n^4

    • @user-cd9dd1mx4n
      @user-cd9dd1mx4n 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@dalibormaksimovic6399 Why would you ignore, if that will lead to a significant error (above 10%)?
      I may ignore insignificant terms, only when my final result has an error 2% at most (depending upon my application).
      Generally an error of 10% is huge.

  • @lwandomakaula3574
    @lwandomakaula3574 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Got lost in the first step😂😂

  • @tenormin4522
    @tenormin4522 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I still do not get the point of determining convergence without an actual sum. It seems to me like and empty game. Sex without orgasm, food without swalowing, vodka without alcohol...
    What is the sum and how to find it? Otherwise it is meaningles in my opinion.

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    sqrt(3)? Edit: no it's slightly larger than this when N is 200..
    Edit again: If you take n from 0 to +inf, the sum is sqrt(3) + some change, approx. sqrt(3.01)

  • @jessenemoyer1571
    @jessenemoyer1571 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm not watching the video. At a glance, multiplying top and bottom by the conjugate yields 1/n^2+more which converges by the p-test.
    Somebody hit me up if that's not the end result, or how it was done.
    Pls and thnx.

  • @reinhardtristaneugen9113
    @reinhardtristaneugen9113 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I checked out by mental calculation and it seems to converge towards zero and it is not too difficult to see why and one could show per complete induction that the larger the number to get the root of the smaller gets your result in that you got always a quadratic number plus one, which shreds you the decimal fractions in ever smaller pieces rooting them, so you end up converging towards zero.
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    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, that is not logical.You are already starting out with a positive value in the summation when n = 1, and every term that is added is necessarily positive, so that the sum must be greater than zero.