just imagine full power old man kratos still have his power from GOW 3... fighting heimdall, thor and odin.. but again it not be a fight but one sided massacre...
All those other chain blades and weapons, bows, spears, hammers, decapitated and repurposed heads lightning bolts, attack souls, AOE attacks on top of his natural Spartan Rage!
@@bigdawgc "ZEUS!!YOUR SON HAS RETURNED,I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF OLYMPUS!!!!!!! love that line and the gow 3 version of kratos is probably my favourite version of kratos.
When Kratos said that he tried to use his old greek magic before destroying Olympus, I imagined him alone on his room yelling "I am the God of War!" and pulling very hard
@@ezalfarizy7113 i mean if theres a ruler in Olympus thats deemed most powerful, its KRatos since hes the only Bloodline left thats worthy of the weapon
I imagined myself asking Atreus if he ever wanted to be shown first-hand who his father really was in his past life, but I think he wouldn’t want to know. He’d probably say that it doesn’t matter anymore and that he knows who Kratos is now. But bro, imagine if he got to meet his half-sister.
That infamous Spartan Rage still exists and the primordial fire of Tartarus is still concealed in his blades and i think we'll see the rest of them if he ever travels to Egypt, Greek Gods are known very well in those lands.
I think Spartan rage is his own power, considering he is still a god, and i always think the fires of tartarus is older than greek technically, so it's magic wouldn't be denied for greek being destroyed. i feel like all mythologies have some origin of Chaos in some form
@@lars7747 The legends have it, when the legendary beast Typhoon appeared in Greece, all the gods have fled to Egypt leaving Zeus alone and disguised themselves in animal forms for hiding. At the end of the legend, Zeus strikes Typhoon with his lightning bolts and lays down it's lifeless body on top of a volcano.
That would explain why Odin in all of his paranoia and lust for power never touched other lands besides the realms tied to Yggdrassil. Imagine Odin pissing off Zeus and both go to war.
No, the source of they're power is their homeland probably where people worship them, they can still use their powers when they travel but if their homeland dies that's it for their special sauce.
@@bernardoromero5009 yeah basically any equipment he had and stuff used to conjure said powers Blades of Hades, Boots of Hermes, and all that most likely were made from magic those gods possessed, and with the land dead, so did the magic of said weapons I suppose is what this game is implying, at least he still has ol’ reliable SPARTAN RAGE
Zeus destroyed kratos's weapons in gow3. In gow2 Most of his power is inside the blade of olympus, but after the events of gow3 he's basically a god again, and the reason that kratos haves the blades of chaos is that the blades follow him everywhere he goes
Imagine Kratos with blades of exile, claws of hades, Nemean cestus, nemesis whip, blade of Olympus, boots of Hermes, and bow of apollo. He would make quick work of these Norse gods. lmao
True, the thing I noticed about the Norse gods is that they're not link to the realm themselves, the same way the greek gods were, just compare what happened to Baldur when he died, to Poseidon.
Wait, if that’s true, wouldn’t that mean that the blades of chaos possess no magic? If all the magic of Olympus actually is gone, that would include the blades, right?
There was a god of war comic after the events of god of war 3 where kratos kept getting haunted by athena and when he also tried to throw the blades away they would appear back in his arms
Perhaps Blades of Chaos made of a primordial force, well...Chaos itself. In Greek mythology Chaos is a kind of a big deal, much bigger than gods themselves. I dare to assume that Blades operate on every realms, as they are bounded to Creation itself.
Just you wait, eventually, Athena will show up, calling herself Minerva, to say she has revived the Pantheon in a new land of Rome, and they cannot live with Kratos existing as a threat, so they attack the nordic realms, just as the Romans invaded the northern lands. And Kratos will unlock his old powers, but do everything he can to avoid using them. Also, Atreus and Kratos both somehow end up in now the ROMAN underworld, where Atreus meets his half-sister. Atreus also gets to murder Mars' face in.
That's actually a decent idea for a GoW ! Though I would rather have them explore a new mythology than coming back to the greek one (Rome Pantheon being basically the greek one). If the story happens in Rome they could do a crossover with the Egyptian, the Norse and the Roman mythology though
That is dumb Roman gods where a copy paste of Greek gods, next should be egypt but i dont see a next game with kratos and i hope i dont see any more god of war games since they are more last of us meet avengers rather than actual god of war. Sony just wants to make the same game every time.
This is correct... But also not Hahah, they directly put norse as the inferior power many times in the games, they make reference to this in a lot of dialogue like when they talk about the fates and their power to time travel for example, but in gow ragnarok specially we see the difference between both magics being that while Greek magic is more about direct control of elements, norse magic is a little more versatile and actually usable by anyone who wants to actually learn it (like Atreus and Odin casting spells directly) and for users who just have enchanted equipment (like dad of boy) also seems to be more focused on time manipulation (not time travel) and space magic, even the elemental ones are more focused on nature rather than on a specific element.
Kinda? I mean Cory barlog has confirmed that kratos is still getting stronger through the games, so while in gow 2018 he’s stronger than in gow3 and in ragnorok he even stronger still, he just doesn’t have access to his magic or special items. Same thing with the Greek vs the Norse gods. The Greek gods had a bunch of crazy abilities and magic, but the Norse gods due to having their entire culture be based on fighting are physically more powerful and just straight up better at fighting. It’s the whole reason that Thor can put up a fight against kratos even when he eventually goes all out, while an even weaker kratos could bully the Greek gods easily.
It’d be interesting if Kratos runs into Judaism/Christianity. I imagine that he’d be fighting the primordial evil itself Lucifer. He’d probably have to acquire something from the Ark of the Covenant beforehand.
It's better to fight Gods in Mesopatamia since it's where most of semitic lores came from the first place (beelzebub, ashtar, dagon etc.) and is adopted in abrahamic religions (although they're retconned as "evil" beings). Straight up Abrahamic religion is boring af since it's monotheistic and is composed of only Yahweh. Plus it'll stir controversy since most of the population's religion is Abrahamic so it's impossible.
I do wonder what’s going to happen next game. Odin is dead and there doesn’t appear to be any big bads left in the pantheon. We know Athena’s ghost or something is around, maybe she’s going to pull something that brings back old foes?
I knew it! and they said it was wrong "a pantheon has nothing to do with the powers of kratos" that's why he was weak because he killed everything that gave power to the Greek gods including him
So when they talk about this are they referring to the items he got from killing each greek god, or was it the abilities that they gave him in the beginning to fight ares?
@@NinjapowerMS do you mean the dialogue of Thor vs Kratos?. The dialogue can be implied that Kratos has lost his Berserk filled rage of his former God of war self and now holds back because of guilt. At least that's how i interpreted it.
I wish they brought back old stuff for ragnarok. They could have made Kratos keep the blade of olympus and golden fleece. He could have had brok and sindri integrate the golden fleece into the parry shield
My take on this is Atreus is probably right. Most of what we see Kratos do he was able to do in GOW2 even after he was de-powered by the blade of olympus so we can infer his strength/durability/longevity are just part of his Demi god physiology. However the blades of chaos and his seeming inability to die are implied to be a curse put on him as a result of his actions in GOW3, and in the GOW4 by the time he breaks out the blades of chaos prior to upgrades they behave exactly the same as they did in GOW1 unupgraded which suggests to me they draw on kratos own power/rage, such as it is.
Not really Cory Barlog said that Baldur was the strongest opponent Kratos has ever faced with GoW 2018 and that his old Version would beat the young Version no question. Thing is, if this "nerfed Kratos" ks stringer than his younger version, imagine how strlng he would be WITH magic and all that equipment and gear
Which is strange and stupid to be honest. Norse gods didn't have raw power like the greeks did but their magic was no joke. The entire war of the vanir and aesit started because of magic that could manipulate fate. The nerfed the norse too much.
@@Seijuku- Cory never said that about Baldur, the 2018 novelization did. And that was referring more to Baldur being completely invulnerable. Zeus has way more raw power and abilities than Baldur for example, but cursed Baldur could never die. And old Kratos is stronger than his younger self only if he lets his rage loose and stops holding back. But in Norse, he has learned to control his rage.
Why Kratos still a powerful god anyway? All of his elemental powers are gone within his homeland (as said here), the power of Pandora's Box capable of killing gods (Hope) is also gone by the end of GOW3 after he killed himself, Zeus also took his God powers in the beggining of GOW2 as well, so where does he get his powers?
If you think about it kratos doesn't have any powers as do other Gods like energy manipulation, transforming etc. His only feats are his super strength, durability, speed and healing factor. So i suppose these powers are the defacto abilities of a demi God
@@tvsupa3105 i guess it's like spending some days on a beach but still feeling like you're floating on the water after going to bed...he just got used to being poweful even without powers Btw i just forgot he is Zeus child, lmao, forget about my question
But if kratos's powers are bounded to his homeland, then he shouldn't be able to have regeneration and inhuman strenght. You just don't wanted to put Poseidon's Rage in Ragnarök didn't you?, SM?
For the people saying that kratos would make quick work of the Norse gods if he wasn’t weakened. Cory barlog has confirmed that kratos is still getting stronger through the games, so while in gow 2018 he’s stronger than in gow3 and in ragnorok he even stronger still, he just doesn’t have access to his magic or special items. Same thing with the Greek vs the Norse gods. The Greek gods had a bunch of crazy abilities and magic, but the Norse gods due to having their entire culture be based on fighting are physically more powerful and just straight up better at fighting. Spoilers It’s the whole reason that Thor can put up a fight against kratos even when he eventually goes all out, while an even weaker kratos could bully the Greek gods easily.
Lol Kratos died twice in the previous game. Thor got mopped to the floor on the second fight. Also Zeus was throwing hands with Kratos. A Kratos that was wielding the Blade of Olympus AND nearly won if it wasn't for the power of hope and Pandora guiding the way.
@@NinjapowerMS dude kratos didn’t mop the floor with him. Thor was the closest fight that he’s had in the series besides zues, and this kratos has been confirmed multiple times by the guy making the game to be the strongest he’s ever been. Thor would whoop gow3 kratos’s ass.
@@coltondavis7022 Mopped the floor while holding back not to kill him lmao. GOW3 Kratos would whoop thor's ass every feat that Kratos had far surpassed Thor's drunken ass. Every dialogue in this game suggest this. Primitive Norse are shocked by the powers Greek Gods had never mind the fact that Kratos even mentioned he had God like powers that he had lost after GOW 3 ended. Bum Norse Pantehon
0:22 that possibly explains what happened to the blades of Athena/exile Since the blades of exile had magic infused to them the same goes for Athena,that could explain why we never saw them again,still doesn't explain gow4s zeus scene
what powers did he have? wasn't kratos super giant and could crush cities. also the greek gods were way more powerful than the norse ones. i feel like. especially the architecture and the scale was far more grand. seeing how ancient reek lived probably lived longer
Yeah Greek gods are way stronger thn Norse god as u can see in gow 3 kratos get every weapon and skills to defeat Greek gods and the creator nerfed kratos in nose mythology so tht they can make a story otherwise if kratos would have power of hope the game would not be fun
@Maneet singh in the GoW2018 novel Kratos actually says that baldur was the hardest fight he has ever fought... and Norse gods are implied to be at the very least the same level as Greek Gods... Plus The director of GoW2 and GoW2018 has said that Old Kratos would win in a fight against young Kratos... the old games just feel more grand thanks to different styles and gameplay mechanics... lorewise the Norse gods are about the same as Greek ones, just different kinds of powers
I’d say Norse ones are more powerful. Thor killed kratos in the beginning of the game. Not to mention Norse gods are war gods. They long for battle unlike the Greeks
his arsenal consists of blade of olympus, hades claws, Hercules gauntlets, Medusa's head, Hermes's boots, Poseidon Rage, Apollo's Bow, Blade of Artemis, Spear of Destiny, Barbarian Hammer and many more
I’m so glad they brought up the whole sisters of fate time travel bs from the original trilogy, seriously if Odin knew about that they really would have been fucked sideways I’m glad they left that out of I aways hate when time travel get involved it just complicates everything
I’m going to go ahead and clear up any misunderstandings about the God of War series and Norse/Greek mythology. I’m not saying that Norse god’s are so much weaker that they cannot be on equal terms with Greek god’s or be great rivals for them.. I’m saying Greek god’s are more powerful than Norse god’s simply because of the fact they are immortals while Norse god’s can live for a long long time. Odin may have an edge over Zeus because of his Odin’s force but Zeus is immortal and that alone speaks volume. I know the director said that old Kratos could beat young Kratos but I like to think he was just talking nonsense to side with his fans and told them what they wanted to hear. Because I’m sure deep down the director knows that’s not true because young Kratos was not only stronger in terms of raw power and will power, he was more determined and hungrier to get what he wanted which was revenge on the greek gods for putting him in a position to slaughter his own family. Plus he had way more magical powers/abilities in his younger version of himself. Thor even pointed out that “he seen why his sons fell to kratos even in this lesser version of kratos”. If it wasn’t for Thor, Kratos may have never returned to himself as the Ghost of Sparta.
@UCsQEjpaySOMTCE_JWFHe1Lg So you just assumed that the information I had came from “comic books?”That’s so dam hilarious lol, I guess you hear crazy things everyday smh. Nah man what I stated was basic knowledge when it comes to Greek/Norse mythology and in fact I was referring more to the god of war series whether it’s canon in a way or not. The statements I was implying did not come from comic books because I was never really into dc/marvel comic books growing up, so you’re wrong, like I said it when I was talking about Odin and Zeus In general(not kratos) it’s basic knowledge.
He’s stronger in ragnarok. The equipment is inferior which does make a huge difference. Like imagine the heimdall fight if he had the boots of hermes 💀
@@datboy038 no he's (ragnarok kratos) stronger physically base to base and more experience except for kratos in the end of GOW 3 and the one in the beginning of GOW2 that one was clearly stronger but if you add all the powers he was gifted in god or was 2 / weapons he had in god of was 3 + the full power of hope he will be multiple times stronger.
Yeah he's niw physically stronger base to base but all the powers he had gifted are gone and also because some of they were stored in weapons the power of hope gone after he strapped himself so he's basically using just his own power he can't use any power from the previous games except for spartan rage he's physically stronger base to base now tho
man i hope nobody just make a narrative that thor is weak or whatever because of what i wrote previously lmao the difference is Olympians just have more authority verity in power that's why it's hard to beat them just by punching them like the norse
Mimir: probably for the best Everyone who has played the og games: If kratos still had those powers ragnarok wouldve happened THE SECOND Kratos arrived to nordic lands
This pretty much confirms that the old trilogy Kratos is stronger. It explains why he can’t make himself larger and use lightning like he did in God of war 2 otherwise this would be a much shorter game lol Seems like he only retained his super strength and regeneration
They contain Primordial Fire, a fire existing during the time of the Primordials before they shaped everything, so it exists before any power system was set.
Imagine all these gods meet Japanese/shinto gods 💀💀, kratos and everyone will die under a second 💀 but damn I would love to see the crossover but most likely would never happen due to the power differences
@@jaxsonevans7796 after he reclaimed the blade he reclaimed the power that was put in it alongside all the other powers stored in the blade as well as the other power he accumulated in his journeys. Since turning into a giant is a magical ability he lost that as well after Greece was destroyed. He only has his strength and healing abilities now.
What kind of powers did Kratos have when he was in Greece? He could control elements like other gods? o Does it refer to the weapons of god of war 3? (I know the history of kratos but not all the details)
Not really. It just meant that Kratos lost the powers that weren't inherently his by blood i.e most ot the weapons/spells you acquired in the first 3 games were stripped of their power when Greece/Olympus died. TBF it was already a running theme for Kratos to be depowered and having to build back up his strength/arsenal especially in the first 3 games with his trips to the Underworld. But his inherent powers seem as strong, if not stronger than before...also the weapons he gains in this land seem stronger than their Greek counterparts, though they are fewer. It's just that the nature of magic and godhood is very different between Olympus and the Nine Realms.
I honestly just hate that cop-out of powers being lost. My head cannon feels better thinking Kratos is just holding back because he doesn't want to be who he was.
I hope now people will shut up for which pantheon was the strongest, only Thor and Odin are the powerhouses of the Nordic Pantheon but the Olympians are all a league of their own except of Hermes and Helios of course.
They really should have given us any weapon from previous games like claws of hades for example or maybe the claws were useful by presence of Hades's soul within kratos so when he lost his powers by stabbing himself by blade of Olympus and lost Hades's soul as well
Well that’s got to be a contradiction. The blades of chaos work just fine not to mention his home has probably been rebuilt thanks to Athena. The writers just didn’t want people asking why he doesn’t have his old gear for Ragnarok
@@holyflame2 first off chill bro it’s a game no need to get offensive or snappy secondly know your lore as that’s still part of his homeland that is supposedly dead the blades where created by ares embedded with fire from his homeland so Technically the blades should t work
@@Devontae7894 The blades are bound to Kratos, even though Ares died this bond doesn't break so long as one of the parties remains. Its likely once Kratos dies the blades will vanish.
@@Devontae7894 I think the Blades' has two sources of power instead of one. First source is from Tartarus' main source of primordial fire powers as we know. Second source is Kratos' rage. So, even Tartarus already been destroyed and it means it's main source of primordial fire powers there already been destoryed too, the Blades has still another source of power it can rely upon which is Kratos' rage. So, that explains why the Blades still works even Tartarus and it's main source of primordial fire powers there already been destroyed.
Kratos isnt as strong as he was in the originals because magic something something. Kratos isnt as strong as he was in GOW 2018 because magic something something.
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If Kratos was still able to conjure all the powers that he had taken and possessed from the previous games, Ragnarok would be a MUCH shorter game
just imagine full power old man kratos still have his power from GOW 3... fighting heimdall, thor and odin.. but again it not be a fight but one sided massacre...
😂he would be ragnarok his weapons now with the gauntlet of Zeus and blade of Olympus with Hermes boots yea Odin would definitely be paranoid then
All those other chain blades and weapons, bows, spears, hammers, decapitated and repurposed heads lightning bolts, attack souls, AOE attacks on top of his natural Spartan Rage!
its sad we didnt see blade of Olympus get a come back here hahah
@@crowbarfish0812 He can do that if only they weren't destroyed by zeus
Kratos: "Mm"
TRANSLATION: "God I fucking missed Poseidon's Rage."
I couldnt count on two hands how many times i played through the first game in that fucking cowsuit, hence my username
@@DairyBastardGOW1 😂
Nah fr though
Nah kronos rage in the 2nd was the best you can still fight while it's active
@@DairyBastardGOW1 i swear god of war fanbase has so many creative ways of saying things
Mimir, I assure you, you DON'T want to see Kratos float in the air buzzing lightning bolts everywhere and scream "I WILL MAKE YOU SUFFER!"
ZEUS !!!! YOUR SON has returned !
I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF OLYMPUS !!!!!!
true but then again,one of the reasons why i really love kratos is not gow 2018 or ragnarok,but gow 3.
I am more....
"I am the god of war"
@@sergioplazat3995 yep.
@@bigdawgc "ZEUS!!YOUR SON HAS RETURNED,I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF OLYMPUS!!!!!!!
love that line and the gow 3 version of kratos is probably my favourite version of kratos.
When Kratos said that he tried to use his old greek magic before destroying Olympus, I imagined him alone on his room yelling "I am the God of War!" and pulling very hard
Lmao that would be funny "i will make you suffer"
@@zweihander00 i'm more of a "NONE SHALL DEFY ME!!" Person myself
"pulling very hard"
W-what's he pulling?
This explains why he can't double jump anymore
imagine my g pulled out Blade of Olympus out of nowhere and counter clap Thor's in the first encounter
What I really want to see is if the Golden Fleece can bounce Gungnir. It bounced the Blade of Olympus after all.
* Pulls out Medusa's head *
@@roys.1889 Unstoppable force vs immovable object.
he could still lift the Blade of Olympus at least because his divine powers were still in the blade.
@@ezalfarizy7113 i mean if theres a ruler in Olympus thats deemed most powerful, its KRatos since hes the only Bloodline left thats worthy of the weapon
At lest Atreus knows that Kratos destroyed his homeland.
I imagined myself asking Atreus if he ever wanted to be shown first-hand who his father really was in his past life, but I think he wouldn’t want to know. He’d probably say that it doesn’t matter anymore and that he knows who Kratos is now.
But bro, imagine if he got to meet his half-sister.
I just wish he would learn about his sister.
@@mat7083 she's gone. Kratos will always hold her death in honor
Actually the fact that Kratos said he tried surprised me
kratos is probably testing if he still had the powers of a god well he always had one but now just the default
Just like the blades of Chaos, even if he doesn't like them they're useful.
I'm sure that after the events with baldur Kratos probably tried to see if he could call upon his old powers just in case of a thor popping up
That infamous Spartan Rage still exists and the primordial fire of Tartarus is still concealed in his blades and i think we'll see the rest of them if he ever travels to Egypt, Greek Gods are known very well in those lands.
I think Spartan rage is his own power, considering he is still a god, and i always think the fires of tartarus is older than greek technically, so it's magic wouldn't be denied for greek being destroyed. i feel like all mythologies have some origin of Chaos in some form
Egyptian gods are the greek gods
You might be thinking of the Roman gods
@@lars7747 The legends have it, when the legendary beast Typhoon appeared in Greece, all the gods have fled to Egypt leaving Zeus alone and disguised themselves in animal forms for hiding. At the end of the legend, Zeus strikes Typhoon with his lightning bolts and lays down it's lifeless body on top of a volcano.
@@Steampunk_Kak kratos pulles his punch like Thor mentions in their first encounter so that's what it might be
imagine freya seeing kratos with wings of icarus
Freya: "tf you get those from?!"
Kratos: "crazy old man."😏
So it’s basically been confirmed that a god’s authority over an aspect of reality is only effective in their land.
Lol they sound so pathetic like that
That would explain why Odin in all of his paranoia and lust for power never touched other lands besides the realms tied to Yggdrassil. Imagine Odin pissing off Zeus and both go to war.
kinda like that but even outside of their lands they'd still have their natural default godly powers like super strength, senses, speed,stamina etc.
No, the source of they're power is their homeland probably where people worship them, they can still use their powers when they travel but if their homeland dies that's it for their special sauce.
@@lowkeyarki7091 exactly so as long as the nine realms of the Norse lands exist so too does all of atreus' magic and powers
I thought Kratos gave up the majority of his power to the surviving mortals, or at least that is what is implied in God Of War.
no, he basically gave the remaining power he had to them
I guess he refers to the powers that were gifted to him by the gods, like the Poseidon`s rage
No, He gave the power of hope to mortals.
@@bernardoromero5009 yeah basically any equipment he had and stuff used to conjure said powers
Blades of Hades, Boots of Hermes, and all that most likely were made from magic those gods possessed, and with the land dead, so did the magic of said weapons I suppose is what this game is implying, at least he still has ol’ reliable SPARTAN RAGE
Zeus destroyed kratos's weapons in gow3. In gow2 Most of his power is inside the blade of olympus, but after the events of gow3 he's basically a god again, and the reason that kratos haves the blades of chaos is that the blades follow him everywhere he goes
well, Kratos true Power are his mastery over all weapons, his super strength and skills to command an army...
truly God of War
Imagine Kratos with blades of exile, claws of hades, Nemean cestus, nemesis whip, blade of Olympus, boots of Hermes, and bow of apollo. He would make quick work of these Norse gods. lmao
True, the thing I noticed about the Norse gods is that they're not link to the realm themselves, the same way the greek gods were, just compare what happened to Baldur when he died, to Poseidon.
@@lowkeyarki7091 Wait what Baldur died to Poseidon?? I'm confused xd
@@ikanhiu8906 forgot that comma
The scene where Kratos retrieves the blades from under his house in GOW 2018, but instead he pulls out the big stupid gauntlets.
imagine kratos enlarging himself to Ragnarok's size
Imagine Heimdall looking at Kratos's eyes and saw how he killed Poseidon or Helios. Pretty sure he'd shit his pants right then and there.
I think he saw something and called kratos monster
I just love these GOW story times
Wait, if that’s true, wouldn’t that mean that the blades of chaos possess no magic? If all the magic of Olympus actually is gone, that would include the blades, right?
No the blades possess primordial fire which existed long before Olympus did.
blade of chaos is neither magical nor bound to olympus, pretty sure it's just fuel by rage
no cuz the blades are cursed and bound to kratos and the other things were what he acquired along the way from other gods so both are different
There was a god of war comic after the events of god of war 3 where kratos kept getting haunted by athena and when he also tried to throw the blades away they would appear back in his arms
Perhaps Blades of Chaos made of a primordial force, well...Chaos itself. In Greek mythology Chaos is a kind of a big deal, much bigger than gods themselves. I dare to assume that Blades operate on every realms, as they are bounded to Creation itself.
Just you wait, eventually, Athena will show up, calling herself Minerva, to say she has revived the Pantheon in a new land of Rome, and they cannot live with Kratos existing as a threat, so they attack the nordic realms, just as the Romans invaded the northern lands.
And Kratos will unlock his old powers, but do everything he can to avoid using them.
Also, Atreus and Kratos both somehow end up in now the ROMAN underworld, where Atreus meets his half-sister. Atreus also gets to murder Mars' face in.
You do realize that the italic speaking people had their own pantheon, right?
That's actually a decent idea for a GoW ! Though I would rather have them explore a new mythology than coming back to the greek one (Rome Pantheon being basically the greek one). If the story happens in Rome they could do a crossover with the Egyptian, the Norse and the Roman mythology though
The problem with that is the romans never invaded Norway. The farthest they went was Britain. But everything else you said I like.
That is dumb Roman gods where a copy paste of Greek gods, next should be egypt but i dont see a next game with kratos and i hope i dont see any more god of war games since they are more last of us meet avengers rather than actual god of war. Sony just wants to make the same game every time.
hey that´s a great idea!
Imagine pres O fast for the poseidon wrath
So this is them writing their way out of power scaling. Still a hell of a good game.
This is correct... But also not Hahah, they directly put norse as the inferior power many times in the games, they make reference to this in a lot of dialogue like when they talk about the fates and their power to time travel for example, but in gow ragnarok specially we see the difference between both magics being that while Greek magic is more about direct control of elements, norse magic is a little more versatile and actually usable by anyone who wants to actually learn it (like Atreus and Odin casting spells directly) and for users who just have enchanted equipment (like dad of boy) also seems to be more focused on time manipulation (not time travel) and space magic, even the elemental ones are more focused on nature rather than on a specific element.
@@user-fw4ib7wf9v still,greek gods are much much powerful,already confirmed by kratos himself in the game.
Kinda? I mean Cory barlog has confirmed that kratos is still getting stronger through the games, so while in gow 2018 he’s stronger than in gow3 and in ragnorok he even stronger still, he just doesn’t have access to his magic or special items. Same thing with the Greek vs the Norse gods. The Greek gods had a bunch of crazy abilities and magic, but the Norse gods due to having their entire culture be based on fighting are physically more powerful and just straight up better at fighting. It’s the whole reason that Thor can put up a fight against kratos even when he eventually goes all out, while an even weaker kratos could bully the Greek gods easily.
@@coltondavis7022 true but overall,greek gods are way more powerful than Norse gods.
@@aaditkhan728 that’s literally what he said
That's a good explanation as to why Kratos can't use the magic that he could in the original games.
Imagine Kratos with Poseidon's Rage and Zeus Fury.
That’s a shame. That Golden Fleece and Icarus’s wings would still be useful.
It’d be interesting if Kratos runs into Judaism/Christianity. I imagine that he’d be fighting the primordial evil itself Lucifer.
He’d probably have to acquire something from the Ark of the Covenant beforehand.
the blades of Chaos being re-ignited by the burning bush
Moses's sandals giving him speed or something
It's better to fight Gods in Mesopatamia since it's where most of semitic lores came from the first place (beelzebub, ashtar, dagon etc.) and is adopted in abrahamic religions (although they're retconned as "evil" beings). Straight up Abrahamic religion is boring af since it's monotheistic and is composed of only Yahweh. Plus it'll stir controversy since most of the population's religion is Abrahamic so it's impossible.
Now all I see is Kratos spinning in a circle trying to cast lightning
That does explain why his Spartan Rage didn't mess well with the weapons
I do wonder what’s going to happen next game. Odin is dead and there doesn’t appear to be any big bads left in the pantheon.
We know Athena’s ghost or something is around, maybe she’s going to pull something that brings back old foes?
Likely go to Egypt
At least they explained why Kratos isn't able to grown to big size, like he did in God of War 2.
I knew it!
and they said it was wrong
"a pantheon has nothing to do with the powers of kratos"
that's why he was weak because he killed everything that gave power to the Greek gods including him
Would be cool af if kratos could still conjure army of sparta
That explains a lot.
So when they talk about this are they referring to the items he got from killing each greek god, or was it the abilities that they gave him in the beginning to fight ares?
all of the above, brother
All of the powers he acquired in the first trilogy including ghost of sparta and chains of olympus
So cory said this Kratos is stronger but now there's in game dialogue that pretty much Nerfed Kratos? After God of War 3?
@@NinjapowerMS do you mean the dialogue of Thor vs Kratos?. The dialogue can be implied that Kratos has lost his Berserk filled rage of his former God of war self and now holds back because of guilt. At least that's how i interpreted it.
@@NinjapowerMS He can't use the magic powers, but he's physically stronger.
I fucking knew he wasnt as powerful, it made no sense given what we SAW. He might have more strength, but not power
I wish they brought back old stuff for ragnarok.
They could have made Kratos keep the blade of olympus and golden fleece. He could have had brok and sindri integrate the golden fleece into the parry shield
Guess this pretty much confirms he’s less powerful now
My take on this is Atreus is probably right. Most of what we see Kratos do he was able to do in GOW2 even after he was de-powered by the blade of olympus so we can infer his strength/durability/longevity are just part of his Demi god physiology. However the blades of chaos and his seeming inability to die are implied to be a curse put on him as a result of his actions in GOW3, and in the GOW4 by the time he breaks out the blades of chaos prior to upgrades they behave exactly the same as they did in GOW1 unupgraded which suggests to me they draw on kratos own power/rage, such as it is.
So Kratos is basically inmortal? Or more like Wolverine with the delayed ageing and healing factor?
He took back that power btw, so no.
This really proves how much stronger the Greek gods were compared to Norse in this lore
Not really Cory Barlog said that Baldur was the strongest opponent Kratos has ever faced with GoW 2018 and that his old Version would beat the young Version no question. Thing is, if this "nerfed Kratos" ks stringer than his younger version, imagine how strlng he would be WITH magic and all that equipment and gear
Which is strange and stupid to be honest. Norse gods didn't have raw power like the greeks did but their magic was no joke. The entire war of the vanir and aesit started because of magic that could manipulate fate. The nerfed the norse too much.
@@Seijuku- Cory never said that about Baldur, the 2018 novelization did. And that was referring more to Baldur being completely invulnerable. Zeus has way more raw power and abilities than Baldur for example, but cursed Baldur could never die. And old Kratos is stronger than his younger self only if he lets his rage loose and stops holding back. But in Norse, he has learned to control his rage.
@@Seijuku- Not he didn't, it was a misinterpretation made by some people.
Why Kratos still a powerful god anyway? All of his elemental powers are gone within his homeland (as said here), the power of Pandora's Box capable of killing gods (Hope) is also gone by the end of GOW3 after he killed himself, Zeus also took his God powers in the beggining of GOW2 as well, so where does he get his powers?
If you think about it kratos doesn't have any powers as do other Gods like energy manipulation, transforming etc. His only feats are his super strength, durability, speed and healing factor. So i suppose these powers are the defacto abilities of a demi God
@@tvsupa3105 Its like Kratos has a max-out version of the basic set of divine powers.
@@tvsupa3105 i guess it's like spending some days on a beach but still feeling like you're floating on the water after going to bed...he just got used to being poweful even without powers
Btw i just forgot he is Zeus child, lmao, forget about my question
A.K.A - convenient handwave explanation for why Kratos lost all his cool sh*t... _AGAIN._
How is it convenient ?? Did you not play God of War 3?
Ah, i want to see 'army of hades' again.
Imagine if he still has Icarus wings, man Atreus will be jealous.
Kratos doesn't remember having wings?
To anyone saying the Norse Gods were more powerful than the Greeks, none of the Norse Gods have ever severely injured Kratos.
Only thor
Kratos: “Yes, my gods were strong, but, as you can see, I’m stronger”🗿🗿🗿🗿
But if kratos's powers are bounded to his homeland, then he shouldn't be able to have regeneration and inhuman strenght.
You just don't wanted to put Poseidon's Rage in Ragnarök didn't you?, SM?
he still has some of the powers sort of, because not all of the powers he got originated from greece itself
For the people saying that kratos would make quick work of the Norse gods if he wasn’t weakened. Cory barlog has confirmed that kratos is still getting stronger through the games, so while in gow 2018 he’s stronger than in gow3 and in ragnorok he even stronger still, he just doesn’t have access to his magic or special items. Same thing with the Greek vs the Norse gods. The Greek gods had a bunch of crazy abilities and magic, but the Norse gods due to having their entire culture be based on fighting are physically more powerful and just straight up better at fighting. Spoilers
It’s the whole reason that Thor can put up a fight against kratos even when he eventually goes all out, while an even weaker kratos could bully the Greek gods easily.
Lol Kratos died twice in the previous game. Thor got mopped to the floor on the second fight. Also Zeus was throwing hands with Kratos. A Kratos that was wielding the Blade of Olympus AND nearly won if it wasn't for the power of hope and Pandora guiding the way.
@@NinjapowerMS dude kratos didn’t mop the floor with him. Thor was the closest fight that he’s had in the series besides zues, and this kratos has been confirmed multiple times by the guy making the game to be the strongest he’s ever been. Thor would whoop gow3 kratos’s ass.
@@coltondavis7022 Mopped the floor while holding back not to kill him lmao.
GOW3 Kratos would whoop thor's ass every feat that Kratos had far surpassed Thor's drunken ass. Every dialogue in this game suggest this. Primitive Norse are shocked by the powers Greek Gods had never mind the fact that Kratos even mentioned he had God like powers that he had lost after GOW 3 ended.
Bum Norse Pantehon
@@coltondavis7022 kratos gave thor a single actual punch in the first fight and broke thor’s fucking tooth
@@datboy038 ok and? I’ve had 2 of my teeth knocked out in a fight that I won. That’s not that impressive.
0:22 that possibly explains what happened to the blades of Athena/exile
Since the blades of exile had magic infused to them the same goes for Athena,that could explain why we never saw them again,still doesn't explain gow4s zeus scene
Are you talking about Zeus from Helheim? Because Helheim is a realm full of illusions.
@@SeanAwesomeness true but like the illusion showed kratos with the blades of chaos and not the blades of exile
@@intoxictor Did you really expect Santa Monica to make an entire different model of the Blades for that one scene?
@@SeanAwesomeness Not really but it does make that scene confusing
what powers did he have? wasn't kratos super giant and could crush cities. also the greek gods were way more powerful than the norse ones. i feel like. especially the architecture and the scale was far more grand. seeing how ancient reek lived probably lived longer
Yeah Greek gods are way stronger thn Norse god as u can see in gow 3 kratos get every weapon and skills to defeat Greek gods and the creator nerfed kratos in nose mythology so tht they can make a story otherwise if kratos would have power of hope the game would not be fun
@Maneet singh in the GoW2018 novel Kratos actually says that baldur was the hardest fight he has ever fought... and Norse gods are implied to be at the very least the same level as Greek Gods... Plus The director of GoW2 and GoW2018 has said that Old Kratos would win in a fight against young Kratos... the old games just feel more grand thanks to different styles and gameplay mechanics... lorewise the Norse gods are about the same as Greek ones, just different kinds of powers
I’d say Norse ones are more powerful. Thor killed kratos in the beginning of the game. Not to mention Norse gods are war gods. They long for battle unlike the Greeks
@@cosocosoful those are just opinions not facts.
his arsenal consists of blade of olympus, hades claws, Hercules gauntlets, Medusa's head, Hermes's boots, Poseidon Rage, Apollo's Bow, Blade of Artemis, Spear of Destiny, Barbarian Hammer and many more
Yeah, with liquid fire and ice storm, Greek can create the power, the power to create, the power to destroy.
sorry fellas
no icarus wings
nor medusa head
I’m so glad they brought up the whole sisters of fate time travel bs from the original trilogy, seriously if Odin knew about that they really would have been fucked sideways I’m glad they left that out of I aways hate when time travel get involved it just complicates everything
Nah I just lost my magic gear is all.
I’m going to go ahead and clear up any misunderstandings about the God of War series and Norse/Greek mythology. I’m not saying that Norse god’s are so much weaker that they cannot be on equal terms with Greek god’s or be great rivals for them.. I’m saying Greek god’s are more powerful than Norse god’s simply because of the fact they are immortals while Norse god’s can live for a long long time. Odin may have an edge over Zeus because of his Odin’s force but Zeus is immortal and that alone speaks volume. I know the director said that old Kratos could beat young Kratos but I like to think he was just talking nonsense to side with his fans and told them what they wanted to hear. Because I’m sure deep down the director knows that’s not true because young Kratos was not only stronger in terms of raw power and will power, he was more determined and hungrier to get what he wanted which was revenge on the greek gods for putting him in a position to slaughter his own family. Plus he had way more magical powers/abilities in his younger version of himself. Thor even pointed out that “he seen why his sons fell to kratos even in this lesser version of kratos”. If it wasn’t for Thor, Kratos may have never returned to himself as the Ghost of Sparta.
@UCsQEjpaySOMTCE_JWFHe1Lg So you just assumed that the information I had came from “comic books?”That’s so dam hilarious lol, I guess you hear crazy things everyday smh. Nah man what I stated was basic knowledge when it comes to Greek/Norse mythology and in fact I was referring more to the god of war series whether it’s canon in a way or not. The statements I was implying did not come from comic books because I was never really into dc/marvel comic books growing up, so you’re wrong, like I said it when I was talking about Odin and Zeus In general(not kratos) it’s basic knowledge.
Olympian’s took 3 games, Norse took 2 games, I’m thinking the Egyptian gods gonna be wiped in 1 game
I don't think any god's would die in this game, it would be something out of like Ascension did it
Most of the Norse pantheon still exists
Beth if Kratos was as strong as he was at the end of God of war 2 or at the end of god of war 3, Jesus Christ this game would be an hour long
He’s stronger in ragnarok. The equipment is inferior which does make a huge difference. Like imagine the heimdall fight if he had the boots of hermes 💀
@@datboy038 no he's (ragnarok kratos) stronger physically base to base and more experience except for kratos in the end of GOW 3 and the one in the beginning of GOW2 that one was clearly stronger but if you add all the powers he was gifted in god or was 2 / weapons he had in god of was 3 + the full power of hope he will be multiple times stronger.
Eh he still retained some things. His strength and regeneration.
And speed
He was referring to his Elemental Manipulation only.
So Athena turning into a spirit didn't count as magic?
she is... another story
Yeah he's niw physically stronger base to base but all the powers he had gifted are gone and also because some of they were stored in weapons the power of hope gone after he strapped himself so he's basically using just his own power he can't use any power from the previous games except for spartan rage he's physically stronger base to base now tho
man i hope nobody just make a narrative that thor is weak or whatever because of what i wrote previously lmao the difference is Olympians just have more authority verity in power that's why it's hard to beat them just by punching them like the norse
Does spartan rage count as magic? Or just a cool name refer to angry
Both sort of it's like the inborn power of the spartansits magic but it's magic of his blood
Mimir: probably for the best
Everyone who has played the og games: If kratos still had those powers ragnarok wouldve happened THE SECOND Kratos arrived to nordic lands
Would've been the most boring game in the franchise lol
But it's kind of a plot hole... Because by the magic dying with homeland logic... The blades of chaos shouldn't work either..... But that's just me.
Thats primordial.
Because his blade of chaos is not only bound to his homeland, it has a primordial power in it.
Didn’t those come from tools he acquired? How would he try to conjure their magics without them?
Not just the magic of the tools but also his godly powers and whst not
Didn't he get most of those powers from the gods and titans ?
All of it only from them
This pretty much confirms that the old trilogy Kratos is stronger. It explains why he can’t make himself larger and use lightning like he did in God of war 2 otherwise this would be a much shorter game lol
Seems like he only retained his super strength and regeneration
If all the magic died with Greece, then how do the Blades of Chaos still work?
They contain Primordial Fire, a fire existing during the time of the Primordials before they shaped everything, so it exists before any power system was set.
good time to play the old games, thats what im doing
remove random crits
Thats why kratos don't bring greek god weapon in norse
Imagine all these gods meet Japanese/shinto gods 💀💀, kratos and everyone will die under a second 💀 but damn I would love to see the crossover but most likely would never happen due to the power differences
Man... Blade Of Olympus not returning was so wasted... I wish hahahahaha
Guess he cant turn into a giant anymore:(
Kratos been couldn't turn back into a giant once he gave his powers to the blade of Olympus in God Of War 2.
@@jaxsonevans7796 He took that back tho (Gow2 Novel confirms it )
@@vodkaEditz The blade of Olympus or his giant power's? Because I'm only talking about the game since I don't know the novel.
@@jaxsonevans7796 The godly powers he put in the blade
@@jaxsonevans7796 after he reclaimed the blade he reclaimed the power that was put in it alongside all the other powers stored in the blade as well as the other power he accumulated in his journeys. Since turning into a giant is a magical ability he lost that as well after Greece was destroyed. He only has his strength and healing abilities now.
nerfed
What kind of powers did Kratos have when he was in Greece?
He could control elements like other gods? o Does it refer to the weapons of god of war 3?
(I know the history of kratos but not all the details)
He was referring to his god of war powers (elemental manipulation )
God of war powers + the other powers given to him by the gods by the beginning of god of war 2
In God Of War 2 he could make himself into a giant in the beginning of the game.
So this pretty much confirms that Greek kratos is stronger than Norse Kratos ?
Duh ofc what type of question is that
no, some developer said that norse kratos is more powerful but less dangerous than greek kratos
@@Tonygoneownit well considering the developers said the opposite
Not really. It just meant that Kratos lost the powers that weren't inherently his by blood i.e most ot the weapons/spells you acquired in the first 3 games were stripped of their power when Greece/Olympus died. TBF it was already a running theme for Kratos to be depowered and having to build back up his strength/arsenal especially in the first 3 games with his trips to the Underworld. But his inherent powers seem as strong, if not stronger than before...also the weapons he gains in this land seem stronger than their Greek counterparts, though they are fewer. It's just that the nature of magic and godhood is very different between Olympus and the Nine Realms.
@@BigJugsRule92 current kratos holds back considerably
So Kratos doesn't have the power of hope. Doesn't have his old magic, how can the devs say he is more powerful ?
He is stronger.
He isn't more powerful. That was only something Cory said but everyone else including the current director Eric Williams said he is weaker.
@@calebstephan2083 He is stronger physically only, and he held back in the Norse saga, could be more powerful if didn't hold back.
I honestly just hate that cop-out of powers being lost.
My head cannon feels better thinking Kratos is just holding back because he doesn't want to be who he was.
He holds back, and his rage is confirmed stronger than any magic.
I hope now people will shut up for which pantheon was the strongest, only Thor and Odin are the powerhouses of the Nordic Pantheon but the Olympians are all a league of their own except of Hermes and Helios of course.
Those are not the only power houses of the norse gods and santa monica heavily nerfed them so the norse saga will last 2 games instead of 3.
@@Xer405 Same for the greek gods, they didn't include the goddess of night nyx which is said to be more powerfull than Zues himself.
Yea a lot of powers in Norse are in weapons and tinkets.
My take away is the greek gods were capable of more strength
They really should have given us any weapon from previous games like claws of hades for example or maybe the claws were useful by presence of Hades's soul within kratos so when he lost his powers by stabbing himself by blade of Olympus and lost Hades's soul as well
All weapons were broken by Zeus, save from The Blades of Chaos and The Blade of Olympus
Well that’s got to be a contradiction. The blades of chaos work just fine not to mention his home has probably been rebuilt thanks to Athena. The writers just didn’t want people asking why he doesn’t have his old gear for Ragnarok
Blades of Chaos exist even before olympus, the fire it has comes from primodial from tartarus. Know your lore.
@@holyflame2 first off chill bro it’s a game no need to get offensive or snappy secondly know your lore as that’s still part of his homeland that is supposedly dead the blades where created by ares embedded with fire from his homeland so Technically the blades should t work
@@Devontae7894 He didn't get offensive, he was just correcting you.
@@Devontae7894 The blades are bound to Kratos, even though Ares died this bond doesn't break so long as one of the parties remains. Its likely once Kratos dies the blades will vanish.
@@Devontae7894 I think the Blades' has two sources of power instead of one. First source is from Tartarus' main source of primordial fire powers as we know. Second source is Kratos' rage. So, even Tartarus already been destroyed and it means it's main source of primordial fire powers there already been destoryed too, the Blades has still another source of power it can rely upon which is Kratos' rage. So, that explains why the Blades still works even Tartarus and it's main source of primordial fire powers there already been destroyed.
Kratos isnt as strong as he was in the originals because magic something something.
Kratos isnt as strong as he was in GOW 2018 because magic something something.
Kratos beat baldur with weak powers
No he's far physically stronger than he was before but he just didn't have any greek magic powers as those were lost.
I thought he drained all of his abilities into the Blade of Olympis which then Zeus used to kill him and wipe his army out.
He gained new abilities after that
He got it back