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- Key elements that makes you lap faster regardless how bad is your inputs.
Read the video info to get all the tips
General rule based on the data for most beginner to improve at racing simulator. for some reason it heavily contradict reputable advice...(videogame physic)
-Learn to adjust the tire pressure to the magic number.
It always change based on the air temperature & track layout
(note: It makes the car magically lap faster effortless)
-Fast in(entry), Slow out(apex) & late on throttle(exit)"data don't lie". (As long as you remain on the racing line.) The only way to accelerate before the apex is if the car is sideway(you know, countersteer) during the entry phase. If all tires have optimum traction, you have to be patient with the accelerator.
-Brake at 100% & turn at the same time is faster before trail braking. Nobody tells you that assist are level 9000. You may keep it floor it far longer than what is possible on planet earth.
Turn the steering before easing off the brake pressure...
• Simracing braking is a...
-Trail brake deep into the apex(Simracers are attracted to terrible driving feel. Use aka simcade as a reference in how deep you have to trailbrake.)
-General rule is to keep the same deceleration rate thorough the whole entry phase before the apex.
-If there's no deceleration, the nose of the car understeer, due to lack of front vertical load.
-Don't balance for the apex. Just keep the nose of the car planted with vertical load. Always have some brake pressure to keep at it.
If the car have a slight amount of understeer before the apex you ruin your exit speed. Cause it will keep understeering while you accelerate to exit the corner. Also, you'll get suck to wait for the car to regain the momentum to use the accelerator.
-On some simulator the car understeer off throttle & have hard time to rotate. It's better to add some brake pressure for the whole entry even past the apex & be super late with the accelerator. It's basically the reason some people call them understeer simulator & why the entry phase is far more important in how you exit a corner.
-On very sharp chicane you have to trail brake past the apex
-Use the brake to turn, not to balance
-Basically you hold or increase the brake pressure to promote front vertical load to gain grip at the front. Use the steering to rotate, while on it. (Do not ease off the brake before turning)
-When you're about to lose control during the braking zone(understeer or oversteer), you turn in to avoid spinning out or to gain speed.
-Whoever share you real life as a reference is a loser. The real purpose of it is to win effortless.
-Most of the speed is gained at the entry phase(lack of front vertical load = understeer & wrong angle)
-Late on accelerator while stomping it is faster. You can be forceful with the weight transfer to get magical speed during the braking & accelerating transition. This is the case around the apex.
-Early on throttle, mean late on/off throttle with all 4 tires being past the apex.
-The whole point is to target rough & harsh input. The more you dig it, the faster is your lap
-No such thing as lift off oversteer, thus you have to force it. The right timing is more important than how it is inputted.
Learning curve to trailbrake in racing sim with ABS:
You have to imagine that you drive a FWD prius with fat tires in the back with overboard assist. Hold the brake pressure at 100% & turn in a tad bit. When you feel that the is car somehow about to oversteer, you steer in. It's kind of contradicting, but you have to put in your mind that most sim racers can't drift. Adjust your driving based on their ability to drive. They loves understeer physic. It's the reason why they are very vocal to make it seems like it's popular... After you ease off the brake pressure(slowly) repeat
Basically you flex the steering while loading the tires. It's kind of counter intuitive of what is a true trail brake(car understeer more with light brake pressure). Very important, on heavy braking you might have to start release brake pressure right in the very middle of turn in of the entry phase. Watch how pro simracer takes SPA "les combes" corner. It's perfect example how you should do. That's why I call it bomb diving with the brake.
SPA & Monza are popular in simracing. The main reason is to win effortless. There's a lot of heavy braking zones. Weirdos enjoy to troll beginners. The slow-in, fast out & early on throttle is their favorite fad. Obviously, they ain't doing that.
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I used Assetto Corsa Competizione, the real understeer simulator.
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🤣Hats off to you if your competative on ACC i find it bloody hard. The other drivers standards seem really high on Series X even more so than Iracing. I have a podium every now and then when everyone crashes out and quits just being consistant but never at front.
@@honeybadger9425 Hmm, I did this video. Because peeps get trolled.
Many Simboy claim they drive by feel. Although, you can see the driver on the right panel has FFB disable.
There's also the slow in fast out fad. Again same issue, you do the opposite based on their input.
Simracing is about driving skill. While you see Nico Rosberg that is a world champion not digging the handling while he does in simcade game.
Simboy are god, cause peeps ain't digging the handling of simracing.
Lol, Yep, patch 1.19 exist.
I thumbed up because of being informative although my ears were bleeding to death...
This is actually probably one of the best videos I have seen showing the differences. What I would add is the reason people accelerate early is because they overslow the car and find themselves needing to accelerate to maintain or increase to the correct apex speed however that just causes understeer which the makes them miss the apex. Basically get the braking right and the rest just falls into place.
I kind of blame the game feedback. On Nico Rosberg official youtube channel, he's pretty consistent at making this mistake on AC.
In kunos game, it feel like if you can apply hard load by using the brake & also able to steer the car.
Just knowing that difference help to understand to push the virtual regardless how bad is the feedback.
Mute this video, you'll thank me later.
Grat for your first iracing win.
The Reason why not everyone should upload videos :D
i tested it a bit on monza and spa with some cars in assetto corsa and reached the same conclusions, especially agree on hard and late braking while turning instead of trailbraking as well as about stomping it on exit a bit later rather than feathering mid corner which just causes understeer
woah hey its brian from vintage FC racing on shuto :D
Incredible music. Think I'll have this played at my funeral.
Well.. that looks like me on the left. Time to get on the right.
bad idea. this video is wrong on so many levels, see my other comment.
the real reason is because the right has no FFB and the left has, just look the ffb percentage 🤣 lmao
Not sure if serious. Obviously driving slow/bad doesn't actually make a fast laptime. The advice "slow in, fast out" aims to teach one thing and that is not over-driving and missing the apex; slowing down soon enough for a stable car and maximum tyre grip throughout the corner and a clean exist.
I've seen a lot of sim racer giving this slow-in, fast out advice on player that drive like the left panel which is actually on the racing like. Everyone who choose to play sim racing know what is a racing line.
I've written in my guide that it is commonly used for malicious intend which is true, if you look at this comparison.
You can even try yourself... doing right diagram in Brian Beckman book "Line with Lowest Overall Time". You should ask yourself, do you lose that much pace by doing it?
In real life, yes...
In the game, nah, not so much & super rewarding for the player who don't quite get the driving model.
Fair enough. Kunos are known (at least to some people) to have a huge ego paired with a good amount of ignorance, but that doesn't take away from good tips to make good drivers, even if they dont apply to Kunos' interpretation of real life physics. You're generalizing sim racing with AC. Contrary to fanboys popular believe, it's not the holy grail. The focus point, and maybe the source of the negative response (i just stumbled over this video), should be game specific. Any discrepancy between doing the same thing IRL and a game, but getting different result, is a fault of the game not simulating accurately, not the players or people giving the advice, which is aimed to make better drivers, not beating a game.
You may not like this comment, but that's an opinion & I have my way to present things.
The most important point is, if they're good at the game, they should educate how to play the game. So pointing out the game being at fault is wrong, because the theme is the game by itself.
I'm not here to educate, if the game is realistic or not. I'm simply pointing out that there's too much plebs who share techniques that simply doesn't work in the game. The source of contents is real life technique, but aren't meant for videogames.
No simulator are perfect & it is to be expected.
Blood follows blood, and we make sure. Life ain't for you and we're the cure.
at 2:11 it is clear that the left one has 138 km/h of entry speed and the right one has 127 km/h of entry speed, you sure that guy at the left is doing slow in fast out? Also, the left one is throttling SO MUCH later than the guy at the right before a LONG straight which makes him slow af, how he didnt touch the curb is already an evidence, as you can see the left one is doing fast in slow out instead lmfao.
You seriously have no idea what slow in fast out really is.
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Simracer at it's best.
Mate, leaving a sarcastic comment without even a single thesis doesn't proof your statement. I can point out plenty more contradictions between what you claims and how they actually drive if you want :)
Please, don't remove your comment. lol
Simracers are the most fascinating species in the world of gaming..
Fair enough mate, you are not even trying to rebut, i guess you are just trolling then.
Yeah he really don't know hahhaha wtf is he doing
Thanks Deap, good stuff .
Damage inc amen brother
Why would you do this to my ears . WHY ?!?!?
Damn, thanks bro🤝
I’ve always been shit after countless years but I turn the ai down and have fun,they are games afterall.
I thumbed up because the comment section is hilarious.
Would be curious to know what do you think of Gran Turismo 4 physic ?
Also, which racing sim would you think close to real life the most ?
Thank you !
Take my opinion as a grain of salt.
Gran Turismo physic is less of an hassle to play as it has no tire pressure setting nor has air temperature to mess with. It's undocumented feature(added simulation value) & stupid in a nutshell. Players with less racing knowedge & just want to race, well they can race, because it doesn't have those.
A statement in my guide:
Simcade doesn't really exist as the correct term is only simulation. It's mostly about the number of types of implemented physics simulated. Some feel more realistic, some may feel less realistic. Mario Kart(feature lift off oversteer) is a sim while it may not feel so realistic. It's mostly about how driving is like and attempted to base that handling and steering on it. Profit around that idea & never look back. That's actually the point of a consumer simulator running on a potato & not on a quantum one. Simulation is not real life & it's a compromise. The appeal to realism, a logical fallacy. Some may take sim racing too seriously & may see glitching as realistic.
None of the sim are realistic. It just kind of drive somehow like the real counterpart. If compare to the other one with more simulation value. It's right up there.
Wow.. I didn't expect to get the answer, but now I did :D
I read your Steam post about AC Physic too. I don't really want to know what's "Right" or "Wrong" because I like to know your opinion, since it's always interesting :D I like the fact that all Sims are just very inaccurate when we compare to real life.
Well, so if we ignore everything above, then just pick the sim that we feel satisfied and fun the most, right ?
Sadly, it will always be the sim that someone feel "good" at it.
And it's good because someone setup and handling is more comfortable than others.
Although, to me and some other people, I love the racing sim which I can feel the car and track better than others.
Like GTR2, for example, old but my most satisfied physic :D
Have you played it ?
( Oh, I want to hear from your experience again, because it's so interesting ! )
Ha! cracking 8bit version of Metallica!
Question for die hard simracers: How do novice simracer underdrive the entry phase, if they can't feel the G?
Can you teach me more of why I suck at racing. It feels like I lost the drive to DRIVE
TH-cam automatically puts under review links & doesn't show any warning. Post the title in question & I'll look into it. I'll do a break down what's need to be worked on. It is preferable to share a full lap replay that have driving input enabled & in 3rd person to have a better ideal what's the car is doing in your own channel.
You can either choose that I comment on your channel or I can makes a break down via an uploaded video.
Damage Inc done to the ears, that’s for sure. Actual help? None. You tried I suppose...
Granny shifting
Because they have ffb turned on i guess :? :D
Dead ears!!!
found this for a steam post, i know you quit the game (refund) but this really good for improve times
It just happen to be ACC as an example. I never tried the game. I did this video to help potential player with bad lap time, but understand how to drive to be very good in a short time.
Sim racing is pretty much static & have picky input. It contradict almost everything you should do. Trail braking is probably the worst part in it as it teach you how to accurately spin out every time, if you do the same exact maneuver.
Because understeer is progressive you can exploit it. It's an undocumented skillset. This apply to all sim, not only AC & ACC.
The base ideal to be fast on a track is fine, which is braking as late as possible & be on the racing line... But the technical method is so wrong, because it's too forgiving & it's impossible to use balance as key method to proceed to get a fast lap.
Because there's no lift off oversteer, you can decelerate as much as you want without caring about balance. It makes the game vastly easier to play when you understand the driving model.
Aside from that you can use the tire squealing as a reference. Technically the should squeal at the same audible strength during the entry & exit phase of the corner.
MrDeap after apply the info from the vid i realize many errors in my laps and improve 1 sec now my best 1:56:4xx but as you mention isnt easy to feel the car in sim racing, would be great if you do a video for trail braking and how to improve
I have a guide on steam, kind of a mess to read. But you may find useful tricks.
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=912315488
MrDeap found it also with the ban post but without doubt its really a mess
Omg that noise.... 🤮
WTF did I just hear?!
"damage inc." by metallica, 8 bit version
@@eddybouh2079 lol thx a lot
@@DYNANiK.official you are welcome. in fact, it's the bridge part from the song + solo
Shout to Metallica!!!!
thank god you are not a musician
Worst choice of music ever
So if u are slower using trailbraking... u aren't using it right hahhhhhahhhahaha learn it and come to a real video
It's linked in the description with a direct comparison to real video.
Simracing braking is accurately arcade
th-cam.com/video/xH4q-LFgpQs/w-d-xo.html