@@Nerobyrne backpack is used to bring staff of necromancy to the tavern. this way he can get pit from the tavern and go straight for creeping instead of going back to buy the staff
Pit Lord first is so badass. Tutorial4420 might actually climb up a bit if he just goes Necromancers with Unholy Frenzy. Add Meat Wagons on top of that for non-Pit Lord firepower(necro summons), maybe.
Back around 2003, Grubby accidentally picked Pitlord in a tournament due to not having hotkeys. All of us low-level players copied this for a while and used Pitlord to be like Grubby. It has been 20 years but Tutorial still believes in Grubby's Pitlord pick to this day!
Bronze League might actually make me buy Warcraft 3 and play. I'm in Central Asia, but I'm pretty confident W3C has pretty good ping with a lot of the playerbase. ...Uh, maybe you'll see me in a Grubby video? Idk, I may not have enough time to actually go through with the purchase and gameplay.
@@SyRose901 The game? Nothing for me as I still had my CD codes but I think it’s around 40 usd. I don’t get the reforged option but I think the classic art style is way cooler anyways
@@Cyrrith I never owned the game, only pirated versions that are always offline. At a LAN party on something like DotA or other custom maps, it's perfect, but I cannot go beyond version 1.27 or go to W3C or BNet to play Warcraft 3. I'm pretty sure I have to buy Reforged to play this game online, well, unless I somehow find a copy of the original game with a CD key unused on BNet launcher.
@@Raumplestompon NA its $30. It was on summer sale a couple weeks ago for 50% off not sure if it is still on sale. I did buy it and I am 0-12 right now😂
If memory serves I believe the first campaign gives a small hint on the side of the screen (can be seen in the log later as well) regarding autocast when you first encounter priests with Arthas and Jaina
Ok. I laughed so much in this video that I watched it twice back to back. Also, from "ok second zeppelin" to the end I just laughed unstoppably. Please Grubby keep em coming, Bronze Heroes is this channel's most premium content to date.
This game was so good fun. I loved seeing how he tried to sneakily move the zeppelin and then hide. Too bad it didn't work for him. Also I didn't know you could lose units if the zeppelin dies on top of a crowded area.
Seeing these slightly lower skill level games is what i needed to see in order to feel like i can actually play this game lol i'll have to give it a shot again ❤😂
Not sure if this helps but from the perspective of cognitive psychology, creativity can be conceptualized as the processes involved in problem solving (even if the problem is something vague such as “produce something beautiful”) and is broken up into two overlapping types: divergent thinking and convergent thinking. Divergent thinking is essentially idea generation/brainstorming, i.e., generating and exploring a wide range of possible ways to tackle a problem. Convergent thinking is the refinement and evaluation of the most promising ideas, i.e., honing in on the best possible solution(s) to the problem. A classic test of divergent thinking would be to ask someone how many different ways a brick can be used, and giving them a score based on the number of answers they produce in a set amount of time plus bonus points for ones other people didn’t give, called Guilford’s alternate uses task. A classic test of convergent thinking is to give someone a series of three seemingly unrelated words and asking them to produce a word that connects them (e.g., “snow, bearing, basket”), called the remote associations task. Convergent thinking is also strongly related to conceptions of fluid intelligence (i.e., reasoning ability) which is one half of the modern psychological definition of intelligence (the other is crystalized intelligence, which is one’s existing knowledge), and many tests of fluid or general intelligence will include convergent thinking questions. Conversely, intelligence tests will not typically have divergent thinking questions as that dimension is usually considered a unique aspect of creativity.
i would 100% absolutely agree that "creative" could be used as an insult. but creativity and artistry on its own does not have to please anyone, it doesnt even have to please the artist. it's kind of like that really unusual and counterintuitive "third" type of fun, that isnt fun in the moment or in hindsight :D
I would agree creativity has to work / be beautiful to some extent or in some way, because the word universally has positive connotations and that's what it gives it merit. Otherwise it has the same meaning as weird or unusual.
I agree that creative has to at least sorta work. It doesn't have to be 100% there, but it has to have the seed of something worth exploring in more depth for it to be creative to me. That's the case with both art and build orders, and I think it's why some can find build orders beautiful.
I wanted to rant about creativity by stating: wikipedia says!!! but actually it says that creativity is creating something new and useful. but maybe a strategy, that doesn't work, can still be useful. Like when you see a bronze player doing something you never thought of and the bronze player could not make it work, but you can expand that idea and make it work, wouldn't the strategy of the bronze player be useful? because u would never have come to the refined version of it.
the amount of time it took to get the two zeps and everything in them, flameseal could just right click map and be at his base or expansion. The end of that game was great lol.
I would say that for something to be creative, it should have some rationale for why it should work, preferably with some way to adjust it if it doesn't work at first.
as someone who is in bronze as well from NA, i wish i some of these people were my opponents, i'm like 0-9 so far since joining wc3 champions ladder LOL. it feels like a different game compared to bnet with the caliber of player Ive found so far
It was a webbed zeppelin, iirc you cant unload from a webbed zep, or at least if the webbed zep dies the units that were in it will die instantly instead of auto-unloading
I don't think creativity has to do with success. In the more artistic fields - there literally is no such thing as success. popularity doesn't necessarily mean that it is better art, or that it won't be appreciated in a different time/culture. In more competitive fields like business or gaming - creativity is only useful when it is paired with enough intelligence and field knowledge (and probably some other factors) to yield success, often where others with less creativity were unable to find a way.
I would say "competitive gaming" as gaming usually meant fun and creative way to have fun doesn't need to be the most efficient, can even be extremally inefficient, as long as it's fun.
@@anonimowelwiatko9811 I guess , but that is a very different attitude towards gaming than what grubby was talking about. If you are having a conversation where you are trying to put something on a scale of success - than just fun isn't enough. If fun is the only goal - than anything can be a success, some people even enjoy running back the same unoriginal strat over and over again with very little success and still enjoy the process... but I think that is a different conversation than what grubby was talking about.
Creativity is not defined by the result of the creativity. That's success of the creative attempt. Creative is just the part of the process wherein one tries to do something new or different or innovative.
11:30 you speak nonsense. There is blue unbuildable and pink unpassable squares that buildings have. Ziggurats, Burrows, Moonwells, Farms, Blacksmiths, Warmills are all pink, Most Unit producing buildings and shops have 1 square frame of blue terrain and Necropolis uniquelly has small pink terrain and big 2 squares of blue frame. Maybe it is actually a bit short on North. I need to check it out. Learn World Editor grubby and press P i think to see those. Just checked. Necropolis is indeed only 1 blue square thickkkkkkk.
I disagree with creativity also having to also 'work'. Like say for you example art, beauty isnt sometimes appreciated by other people till much later, would you say the artist wasnt creative when he did his art but only became creative when his art became appreciated.
Orb of Corruption reduces armor of only the initial target attacked by Pit Lord if he has the item equipped, iirc. Even if you cleave a unit already under the effect of Orb of Corruption, you deal the same amount of damage since it ignores armor, iirc. Pit Lord cannot trigger cleave with the ranged anti-air attack of Orb of Corruption.
@@TheKuwiDidn't know Orb of Darkness is also in the multiplayer games, although it's a Level 6 item. That also works much the same way, Pit Lord has to directly hit the target for Orb to apply.
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Backpack accelerated pitlord creeping is peak ingenuity
That's standard tavern hero start for undead
Naga to FS: you thinking what I’m thinkin partner?
FS: aim for the bushes
😂😂😂😂😂😂 dude this got me loling for a minute str8
There goes my hero...
3:36 imagine being bronze leage player well known to pros as "pitlord guy"
OMG that evolution from not understanding and then seeing the backpack - genius bronze hero!
Why does he need the backpack though?
To get rod of necromancy to the pit lord without having to go home @@Nerobyrne
@@Nerobyrne backpack is used to bring staff of necromancy to the tavern. this way he can get pit from the tavern and go straight for creeping instead of going back to buy the staff
@@Nerobyrne to buy rod and transports on ghoul to tavern pitlord!
Pit Lord first is so badass. Tutorial4420 might actually climb up a bit if he just goes Necromancers with Unholy Frenzy. Add Meat Wagons on top of that for non-Pit Lord firepower(necro summons), maybe.
Nah just make a wyrm and wait for them to drop their army into your frost, cleave, and towers
pit lord with unholy frenzy? yes siir!
My disappoint in Grubby not letting the HU cook first game is immeasurable.
yea you should think about it this way: the guy doesnt make peons for 40 seconds and STILL wins? Must see
Real
my man so free from the shackles of the Meta
Grubby didn't let him em cook 😂
Back around 2003, Grubby accidentally picked Pitlord in a tournament due to not having hotkeys. All of us low-level players copied this for a while and used Pitlord to be like Grubby.
It has been 20 years but Tutorial still believes in Grubby's Pitlord pick to this day!
lmao that ragequit game 1
kinda rude tbh
@@ДмитрийСавченко-ц8ь Yeah dude its bronze league, what does he expect?
Bronze League might actually make me buy Warcraft 3 and play. I'm in Central Asia, but I'm pretty confident W3C has pretty good ping with a lot of the playerbase.
...Uh, maybe you'll see me in a Grubby video? Idk, I may not have enough time to actually go through with the purchase and gameplay.
I played it as a kid and all these vids got me wanting to learn competitive so badly
How much does that cost?
@@SyRose901 The game? Nothing for me as I still had my CD codes but I think it’s around 40 usd. I don’t get the reforged option but I think the classic art style is way cooler anyways
@@Cyrrith I never owned the game, only pirated versions that are always offline. At a LAN party on something like DotA or other custom maps, it's perfect, but I cannot go beyond version 1.27 or go to W3C or BNet to play Warcraft 3. I'm pretty sure I have to buy Reforged to play this game online, well, unless I somehow find a copy of the original game with a CD key unused on BNet launcher.
@@Raumplestompon NA its $30. It was on summer sale a couple weeks ago for 50% off not sure if it is still on sale. I did buy it and I am 0-12 right now😂
I don’t need to watch pron after seeing that cleave on the zeppelin drop. Please more pit lord videos
If memory serves I believe the first campaign gives a small hint on the side of the screen (can be seen in the log later as well) regarding autocast when you first encounter priests with Arthas and Jaina
That was such a great episode
I Love how Grubby celebrate the Build order 😂 it has to mean a thing If a top player is stuned of your Build order 😂
bronze league is the best series on the internet. period
Its technically T90's low elo legends
Ok. I laughed so much in this video that I watched it twice back to back.
Also, from "ok second zeppelin" to the end I just laughed unstoppably.
Please Grubby keep em coming, Bronze Heroes is this channel's most premium content to date.
that first guy is cooking way too exotic ingredients for Grubby to handle 😂
This game was so good fun. I loved seeing how he tried to sneakily move the zeppelin and then hide. Too bad it didn't work for him. Also I didn't know you could lose units if the zeppelin dies on top of a crowded area.
9:40 sick as hell kill
as a bronze player myself, watching bronze heroes is so relatable xDDD also great for learning
Seeing these slightly lower skill level games is what i needed to see in order to feel like i can actually play this game lol i'll have to give it a shot again ❤😂
Not sure if this helps but from the perspective of cognitive psychology, creativity can be conceptualized as the processes involved in problem solving (even if the problem is something vague such as “produce something beautiful”) and is broken up into two overlapping types: divergent thinking and convergent thinking.
Divergent thinking is essentially idea generation/brainstorming, i.e., generating and exploring a wide range of possible ways to tackle a problem.
Convergent thinking is the refinement and evaluation of the most promising ideas, i.e., honing in on the best possible solution(s) to the problem.
A classic test of divergent thinking would be to ask someone how many different ways a brick can be used, and giving them a score based on the number of answers they produce in a set amount of time plus bonus points for ones other people didn’t give, called Guilford’s alternate uses task.
A classic test of convergent thinking is to give someone a series of three seemingly unrelated words and asking them to produce a word that connects them (e.g., “snow, bearing, basket”), called the remote associations task.
Convergent thinking is also strongly related to conceptions of fluid intelligence (i.e., reasoning ability) which is one half of the modern psychological definition of intelligence (the other is crystalized intelligence, which is one’s existing knowledge), and many tests of fluid or general intelligence will include convergent thinking questions. Conversely, intelligence tests will not typically have divergent thinking questions as that dimension is usually considered a unique aspect of creativity.
"Um actually.." 🤓
@@McCarthy_Was_Right Um actually this was interesting
"Where's my trusty encyclopedia!?" 🤓@@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox
Ty for this nice comment. Enjoyed reading it
i would 100% absolutely agree that "creative" could be used as an insult. but creativity and artistry on its own does not have to please anyone, it doesnt even have to please the artist. it's kind of like that really unusual and counterintuitive "third" type of fun, that isnt fun in the moment or in hindsight :D
I used to do a similar build but DR instead of pitlord as UD. But the backpack twist on his part is great. Man, this makes me want to play again xD
virgin high elo player using teleport to save his units vs chad bronze player fighting until last man standing
Loved the zepelin drop in the end xD
I didn’t see the start of the Bober Saga, but I hope the Tutorial4420 season lasts a while
Dudes definitely still cooking with them peasants.
that ending was crazy!!
Not gonna lie to ya, the chadlike never back down mentality is pretty fun to watch in these bronze level games. Makes me wanna play wc3 again.
Bronze leauge actually has some decent players like Bobber,and now this guy.
Hope we will see more from them . GG
Said this in the video where you played it yourself, but just for the algorithm engagement I'll say it again: This is genuinely inspired play.
Tutorial bringing the real Pit Lord Tutorial (for the second time). My man knows the strats.
Tutorial looks like someone is teaching someone else, there are 2 people behind that one screen, and one is saying "u h h h h h"
I would agree creativity has to work / be beautiful to some extent or in some way, because the word universally has positive connotations and that's what it gives it merit. Otherwise it has the same meaning as weird or unusual.
I just realized bronze league casting is version of Grubby enjoying wc3 videos like us
I agree that creative has to at least sorta work. It doesn't have to be 100% there, but it has to have the seed of something worth exploring in more depth for it to be creative to me. That's the case with both art and build orders, and I think it's why some can find build orders beautiful.
I wanted to rant about creativity by stating: wikipedia says!!! but actually it says that creativity is creating something new and useful. but maybe a strategy, that doesn't work, can still be useful. Like when you see a bronze player doing something you never thought of and the bronze player could not make it work, but you can expand that idea and make it work, wouldn't the strategy of the bronze player be useful? because u would never have come to the refined version of it.
19:30 Lichking got almost instant lvl 2 here xD
creativity is something unusual and this also work! )
the nick is the plot behind the strategy
Can't wait for Bober vs Tutorial.
Real bronze league HEROES.
Ahah like in a fifth second 😂😂😂 hum is awesome 👏
tenacious D removed their apology
😂 Funny Replay Grubb
Gg! Over ambitious zeppelins 😂.
Backpack first flex, Pit Lord with mules.
ahah very creative
thank you!
Saved my evening brother Grub ❤
That ending lmao😅
the amount of time it took to get the two zeps and everything in them, flameseal could just right click map and be at his base or expansion. The end of that game was great lol.
Exciting match! Let's get some FFA
that zeppelin move was so fucking funny
RIP Beast, we hardly knew ya.
I agree that creativity doesnt mean it must be 100% cumpetitive. Showing posible potential is enough to cumsider thing creative.
"Everyone is So Creative!"
I'd like to see Tutorial4420 vs Bober!
Pitlord vs Tauren Chieften!
I thought this gameplay was very beautiful, so it was creative
Incredible
We need Bober, the orc folk hero, back in the series
I would say that for something to be creative, it should have some rationale for why it should work, preferably with some way to adjust it if it doesn't work at first.
Age of wonders in the beginning?😮
Poor first guy just wanted a 2nd farm. It was too much for Grubby.
Can shade steal items with backpack?
random pixel generator is the most creative artist of all time
Its not about whats generated its the generating method that matters.
Watching these Bl Heroes makes me believe I’m not that bad although im the same MMR lol
👍, if one m with "rush"as ghoul brings items to PL. Other just get PL go back to macro. Hopefully, you get rushed to enjoy the micro 😂
lol i have lost so many games to Beast... shame he didnt get chance
from 61 to 35 real quick lol 19:42
I hope the next video is him copying the build order
as someone who is in bronze as well from NA, i wish i some of these people were my opponents, i'm like 0-9 so far since joining wc3 champions ladder LOL. it feels like a different game compared to bnet with the caliber of player Ive found so far
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how W3C works, play just a few more games and you'll see people like this as your opponent.
Are the bronze players the theory crafters? 😂
What a fiasco LMAO xD
wheres the video of you playing this build!!
Please make the replay and the one that grubby plays of the build a single video.
I have never seen Hero and units killed with zeppelin...
This is grubby vs happy right? 😂
Zeppelin use should be restricted for just pros. Zeppelin in noob hands equals a disaster.
Did the Naga zeppelin fall into the water? It didn't seem close to it yet Naga died instantly.
It was a webbed zeppelin, iirc you cant unload from a webbed zep, or at least if the webbed zep dies the units that were in it will die instantly instead of auto-unloading
hahaha my life on game ^^
Grubby cringed so hard on that first game lmao
Bronze league heroes
delay your 1st 2 gold miners to get a hero sooner, yes?
I generally dont enjoy thise series and really prefer to see Grubby play, however, I must admit this was fun :D
Why NOT do a drop against Frost Wyrm & Pit Lord + Fiend? This comp TOTALLY doesn't work against cramped, AoE area attacks right???
Can Naga buy boots?
I don't think creativity has to do with success. In the more artistic fields - there literally is no such thing as success. popularity doesn't necessarily mean that it is better art, or that it won't be appreciated in a different time/culture. In more competitive fields like business or gaming - creativity is only useful when it is paired with enough intelligence and field knowledge (and probably some other factors) to yield success, often where others with less creativity were unable to find a way.
I would say "competitive gaming" as gaming usually meant fun and creative way to have fun doesn't need to be the most efficient, can even be extremally inefficient, as long as it's fun.
@@anonimowelwiatko9811 I guess , but that is a very different attitude towards gaming than what grubby was talking about. If you are having a conversation where you are trying to put something on a scale of success - than just fun isn't enough. If fun is the only goal - than anything can be a success, some people even enjoy running back the same unoriginal strat over and over again with very little success and still enjoy the process... but I think that is a different conversation than what grubby was talking about.
Creativity is not defined by the result of the creativity. That's success of the creative attempt. Creative is just the part of the process wherein one tries to do something new or different or innovative.
Where's the part where you play?
It has to work lol
Zeppelin suicide is not creative lol
Beast is cool. You did him wrong.
+1 for We are not gonna let him cook, we're gonna eat somewhere else ... :D
im a noob but the ud start doesnt really seem so bad.
This noobie made me cutt of my toe
11:30 you speak nonsense. There is blue unbuildable and pink unpassable squares that buildings have.
Ziggurats, Burrows, Moonwells, Farms, Blacksmiths, Warmills are all pink, Most Unit producing buildings and shops have 1 square frame of blue terrain and Necropolis uniquelly has small pink terrain and big 2 squares of blue frame. Maybe it is actually a bit short on North. I need to check it out.
Learn World Editor grubby and press P i think to see those.
Just checked. Necropolis is indeed only 1 blue square thickkkkkkk.
*I LOVE BIG COX*
😮
I disagree with creativity also having to also 'work'. Like say for you example art, beauty isnt sometimes appreciated by other people till much later, would you say the artist wasnt creative when he did his art but only became creative when his art became appreciated.
Does Orb if Darkness works with cleave?
Orb of Corruption reduces armor of only the initial target attacked by Pit Lord if he has the item equipped, iirc.
Even if you cleave a unit already under the effect of Orb of Corruption, you deal the same amount of damage since it ignores armor, iirc.
Pit Lord cannot trigger cleave with the ranged anti-air attack of Orb of Corruption.
@@SyRose901 thanks
@@TheKuwiDidn't know Orb of Darkness is also in the multiplayer games, although it's a Level 6 item.
That also works much the same way, Pit Lord has to directly hit the target for Orb to apply.
@@SyRose901 i mean orb of corruption so the undead shop one, i just not remember the name ^^ i dont see orb of darkness in any game for years now
Orb of Corruption reduces target's armor. Orb of Darkness creates skeletons (like the Dark Ranger).
i hard edge to bronze league heroes