The average person has no idea what a Molonist or Thomist is. They just want to be in the correct Church, receive the Eucharist and worship the Triune God.
Absolutely, with respect, let's just say, I am exactly stupid with regards to Catholic theology, but I have never heard of Molonism in my life (neither has spellcheck.) If I am ready to toon out. How do you expect the average Catholic to have a clue Thomism versus Molinism.
There are a few works that introduce them, Fr. Lagrange's Predestination, Fr. Pohle on Grace, Catholic Encyclopedia articles, etc., but none that are particularly extensive and often get certain facts wrong.
“Everyone with a brain has a high regard for St Thomas”… But but Dyer and Orthodox Kyle? I learned all wrongs in the history of humanity are attributable either directly or indirectly to Thomism according to them…
Even if he is a Molinist, which he may not actually be, my understanding is that it's a theoretically permitted position nuanced correctly, it's just that Molinism is basically dead.
Bro I finally caught this one just as it came out! Where can I find and read Suarez and some of the other guys you mentioned in this video? I can read scholastics in Latin so it’s okay if they’re not translated.
This is actually a fantastic question and its funny because in truth its not clear. It seems to contradict itself. But thomism is 100% viable and it might even be probable depending on how you read the catechism. Also worth noting that the catechism cites Augustine on grace and the catechism itself was very influenced by Dominicans.
None of them. On these questions, the Catechism gives us what has been taught by the Church, which are the broad strokes, but the specific theological propositions are debated among the theological schools.
Can you please correct Jimmy Akin on Molinism? He is the source of this recent pseudo-Molinist craze online. He praised it without actually explaining it well.
Dude, if you were to explain 11:30 in the other videos exactly like that (and slower) everything would have made more sense. Thomists: Sufficient Grace != Efficacious Grace (but virtually contained in S.G) Ant. Neg. Rep. People don't get E.G only S.F -> then they sin and God does Consequent Pos. Rep on account of their sin Molinist: S.G = E.F therefore ANR is impossible since it denies the universal will to save Is this correct?
Was Luis de Molina a Molinist? I've gotten hesitant about assuming this, since I discovered that there's some difference of opinion as to whether Nestorius died a Nestorian, or whether Origen was meaningfully an Origenist. And I presume there are other examples.
At first it was, but then it became a school position, in the same way Thomism was eclectic at first, but then became a school position in the 14th century.
The average person has no idea what a Molonist or Thomist is. They just want to be in the correct Church, receive the Eucharist and worship the Triune God.
So true
based
Facts. But it's fun to research.
Absolutely, with respect, let's just say, I am exactly stupid with regards to Catholic theology, but I have never heard of Molonism in my life (neither has spellcheck.) If I am ready to toon out. How do you expect the average Catholic to have a clue Thomism versus Molinism.
True Molinism has never been tried
hahahaha
"it will work this time !"
I meet people all the time going “I’m a Molinist…” and then they just deny the council of Trent
Basically my experience too. Very sad!
I will eventually answer comments
Where’s bald Wagner? We won’t forget that super chat
SO TRUE
What's this about bald Wagner?
@@kevinrhatigan5656 He said that he would get a buzz cut if I super chatted $15 and I did it but he hasn’t kept his promise.
Next conspiracy “molinists aren’t real”
Is there an introductory work that explains all these views that you would recommend?
There are a few works that introduce them, Fr. Lagrange's Predestination, Fr. Pohle on Grace, Catholic Encyclopedia articles, etc., but none that are particularly extensive and often get certain facts wrong.
“Everyone with a brain has a high regard for St Thomas”… But but Dyer and Orthodox Kyle? I learned all wrongs in the history of humanity are attributable either directly or indirectly to Thomism according to them…
Could you expand on Suarez and his view on middle knowledge?
Im a sillynist
I'm a goofy goober
Michael Jones (InspiringPhilosophy) claimed to be a molinist, though, he never claimed to be a catholic in the first place.
Even if he is a Molinist, which he may not actually be, my understanding is that it's a theoretically permitted position nuanced correctly, it's just that Molinism is basically dead.
@@anthonymarchetta8796 if you want proof , he said it in his conversation with Ruslan (the second one) towards the beginning of it.
Like a vegan who eats meat
Bro you promised you would get a buzz cut
Fr that’s what I’m saying
Game over
Bro I finally caught this one just as it came out! Where can I find and read Suarez and some of the other guys you mentioned in this video? I can read scholastics in Latin so it’s okay if they’re not translated.
www.prdl.org/
@@MilitantThomist thanks man! I didn’t realize they were on PRDL.
Erm next time could you start with what Molinism actually is?
No
Maybe you could watch the whole video
Lazy
I have moles, am i a molinist?
Is there a pdf of your little catechism on logic ?
On Isidore.co
not watching this video, but going to leave a like and comment 👍
I realised Christian is always wearing the same black shirt. Crazy. The Blue looks good though.
I have like 10 of them, lol. If you look close enough, some have pockets, others do not.
Molina would rather cower before the throne of saint thomas than even collaborate with WLC
What position does the Catechism lean more towards?
The Catholic position 😊
This is actually a fantastic question and its funny because in truth its not clear. It seems to contradict itself. But thomism is 100% viable and it might even be probable depending on how you read the catechism. Also worth noting that the catechism cites Augustine on grace and the catechism itself was very influenced by Dominicans.
None of them. On these questions, the Catechism gives us what has been taught by the Church, which are the broad strokes, but the specific theological propositions are debated among the theological schools.
Thank you Mr. Wagner.
Was wondering what weirdos calling themselves 'molinist' meant.
Can you please correct Jimmy Akin on Molinism? He is the source of this recent pseudo-Molinist craze online. He praised it without actually explaining it well.
I don't think he is actually a Molinist.
@@MilitantThomist I don’t think he is either, but he does speak favorably of so-called “Molinism” and repeats myths about it
Dude, if you were to explain 11:30 in the other videos exactly like that (and slower) everything would have made more sense.
Thomists: Sufficient Grace != Efficacious Grace (but virtually contained in S.G)
Ant. Neg. Rep. People don't get E.G only S.F -> then they sin and God does Consequent Pos. Rep on account of their sin
Molinist: S.G = E.F therefore ANR is impossible since it denies the universal will to save
Is this correct?
Im confused by the “fake, and gay” when talking about Molinists not being the majority haha
Are eclectics an early stage of cafeteria Catholics?
I wonder if Michael Lofton, champion of nuance and distinctions, is a Molinist. :o
Was Luis de Molina a Molinist?
I've gotten hesitant about assuming this, since I discovered that there's some difference of opinion as to whether Nestorius died a Nestorian, or whether Origen was meaningfully an Origenist. And I presume there are other examples.
I don't care how many short haired grandmas are wearing wooden Taos, I'm still a proud Franciscan. Bl Scotus pray for us.
Whats the joke he is not allowed to say at 0:24?
Molinism sucks lmao it's the result of an over-rationalization of God's creative actus purus.
Would you consider congruism eclectic?
At first it was, but then it became a school position, in the same way Thomism was eclectic at first, but then became a school position in the 14th century.
I will now be a Molinist by holding to the four positions of Molina. Video deboonked, SAD!
Christian B. Wagner: "Molinists don't exist anymore"
Fr. Pohle: "Thomists don't exist anymore"
I know who I will be following
Pohle rhymes with coal for a reason...
@@MilitantThomist Double Bastard
Does he have a discord?
Which soteriology is true?
The Catholic one
Next video: REAL Augustinianism has NEVER been tried.
Mashallah, Aegidian-Thomism will reign
William Lane Craig is an obvious strict-observance Thomist
I am a funnist
Im a molinist your welcome
*you’re
You don’t exist
Im a deaconist
Molinism doesn't real.
I am. goosinist and a sillynist yup silly goose
0:40 … GAY??😂😂
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SANCTO LUIS DE MOLINA SJ, ORA PRO NOBIS!!!!!