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Throw away the filament that came with the machine, that's garbage. I used the "regular quality + PLA" setting in the latest version of Luban. The filament was Colorfabb PLA/PVA but any other quality PLA will do as well.
Is there any way to align SVG files that are meant for the lasers? I saw you could move and scale it, but a parametric way to constrain it would be even more sensible and probably desirable for some?
The ink tank system appears to be much better than the cartridge system th-cam.com/users/postUgkxciSwynMJ7PnUvvx11rewiu-yFBkZTl53 and a lot cheaper to run. The machine was easy to set up. A small point but I thought they'd be a USB cable included to help with the set up but there was none. I've been using it now for a few weeks and it seems like a good product and superior to my previous printers which were all troublesome HP machines.
From a A350 and official enclosure owner: the noise is indeed a problem, but can solved with easy hacks the community found! For example, setting the machine on the foam it came with would reduce the machining noise by almost 50%! And replacing the fan on the PSU(or simply removing it) would make the machine almost completely silent! The laser fumes and optical risk are not a problem when you have the enclosure, nor is the print bed temperature, I printed a bunch of abs on my A350, and there was no problem at all. (A350 can actually reach 100C with its bed but they don't mark it on the book). I love the machine, though there are flaws, but they are continuing being ironed out by Snapmaker, which is a big pro.
@@acekiller2505 I could be wrong but they were offered to kickstarter backers as an early preorder. If you were a backer then check your email for a link to a shop where you can buy them early. Sorry for the confusion, my mistake.
@@neuroblossom nah don’t worry about it. We all make mistakes. Unfortunately I was a later backer that got my machine early for some reason. Orders in august 2020 and got my snapmaker December 17 I think. So I guess I’ll just have to keep waiting :)
btw, there's a couple of really active and supportive snapmaker groups on FB, try searching for Snapmaker Enthusiasts & Users Group and Snapmaker Owners. You can also see a lot of cool stuff other people are making, I recommend it.
@@blepblep8267 True E-stop buttons are not generic. In the US they must achieve ANSI certification for appearance/style/functionality conformity, durability, reliability/repeatability & safety circuit contact redundancy. The cost is not a deal breaker, but, while likely a few times greater than a simple input button, still is minimal in relation to the cost of this unit. Like you suggest, it *definitely* should be included.
I remember back in the day (when I was in my Engineering classes and learning to write G-code "by hand") you had to adjust the speed very granularly depending on the size of the cutting bit, the speed of rotation, and the desired cutting speed of the radius. That was to avoid exceeding the limits for the tool bit and breaking a bit meant you failed that assignment. That was a VERY long time ago though and I'd hope that the newer software handles all of that on the fly when it generates the G-code. Granted, for 3d printing and laser cutting that makes no difference -- but for CNC it is critical.
The sort of understanding you describe really gives one a feel for the process & how critical are the tooling/workpiece material, tool path & spindle speed. Having software provide these process parameters is quick & dirty, but a bit numb as they make minimal deposits into the bank of machining experience. Another lesser consideration is the formation of & the amount/shape of workpiece chip production & the system's ability to remove it from the process's business district. The reviewer's shopvac technique seems adequate for the small tasks which seem to suit this system. A pneumatic air flush flex nozzle attached near the spindle would be handy (but messy) & seemingly a bit safer.
These multi-machines are not meant for serious engineering, but for the hobbyist, they are a game-changer. I'd love to be able to afford something like this myself. Great review. Thank you.
I was lucky enough to get a Snapmaker 2 in February 2020, your review is fantastic and echo's my feelings on the machine pretty closely. It's perfect for me given the limited amount of workshop space I have.
The snapmaker 2.0 A350 was my first printer and only received in December. I'm so excited that you were able to get one and review it. Hopefully more Snapmaker content on the channel! I've already ordered a replacement PSU exhaust fan.
@@CNCKitchen I love it! I bought it because I'm a wood worker and really envisioned myself using the laser and CNC significantly more than printer but I've found myself falling in love with printing too. It has some flaws, bed flatness has been a challenge for many and they did have issues with linear modules failing at one point but that seems to have mostly subsided.
this is definitely a step in the right direction, previous printers have been much worse and this is a massive step up, cant wait to see a day when a all in one becomes standard
In the EU the machine has to be sold with the Enclosure to meet the CE-Certification standard. That makes the machine more expensive of course, but takes care of the laser-safety issues (and also makes the noise level a bit more tolerable). As someone that was fortunate enough to test the A350 myself, I absolutely agree with everything you said. I love the machine, even if it is not perfect. Great Review. :)
I'm in the EU and got it without. I'm waiting with the laser until I've finished building a proper enclosure though anyway. (focus on noise reduction right after laser safety)
Nice! I got one of these and a few days ago one linear module wouldn’t respond. So I contacted support and they quickly responded and solved the problem.
I use my A350 for 3D prints as well as for PCBs with the laser for the photo resist and the CNC for drilling and cutting the PCB. It is not as good as dedicated machines, but it's really good for a 3 in 1. I also have it in the enclosure (it comes with dorr detection, exhaust fan + duct and lighting, which cuts back on the noise a lot. It's also great for the laser because the panels of the enclosure are blocking the laser.
I got one as an early Kickstarter backer - had it for about 12 months. The A250 is my first 3d printer (and laser engraver and CNC router to boot). Certainly agree with all of Stefan's criticisms - it's noisy and not fast, also not powerful on the laser or CNC fronts. My main motivation for getting a multifunction device like this was I didn't have much space in the apartment I was renting - a single device on a bench is much smaller than three. I also didn't want to be limited to just 3d printing. Turns out I've had good cause to use the other toolheads as well.
You're welcome. I've been following your channel for a while now and was interested in your thoughts on how much of a compromise was made for the additional functions of this device.
that die cast y carriage is gorgeous! would be interesting to see this with some TMC5160s, the stepper drivers designed for monstrous NEMA23 type stuff, should have no issue with this, and quieter too
The snapmaker is closed source - you're not swapping the stepper drivers on this. The stepper drivers are actually in the linear modules, and are soldered to the boards.
@@knytetech7732 yup, the machine itself is the only thing about snapmaker that isn’t open source. Not to mention that even though the stepper motors are NEMA23 they ordered them with custom specs and will only work for snapmaker.
Thanks for the really thorough review. Like you, I assumed this machine would not perform well, and was pleased to see it performed as well as it did. As you said - the trick is deciding if you should start down the path of a consolidated machine, with its pros and cons or work towards purchasing or building 3 separate machines.
I have the a350 and Love it. I also have 10 other 3d printers. This is the best 3d printer for the money by far. I replaced the PSU fan with one from Amazon. It's almost silent now.
I got mine about 3 months ago and so far I am very happy with my purchase and don’t care if it lacks in a few places on each function. I knew that buying it. I find it dumb how some people are judging the machine in how it cant do ONE thing perfectly. Can’t wait for the Addons to come out! :D
Great review, I have the snapmaker 2.0 and I feel like you covered most of it. The enclosure really does make a difference in everything you can do with the machine but how can you know if they dont have you review it right? The end remarks about if you should buy it or not are spot on! Nice job!
Please don't lol. This machine is trash man. There are some small routers thats are cable or you can build your own that would be capable as well. This thing is a gimmick nothing else. Buy a decent printer for a couple hundred bucks and then buy a decent desktop mill for a couple thousand. To give perspective if yiu say convert a pm25 to cnc you could actually mill parts. Its 1500 bucks plus the conversion parts. Using a endmil that is practically a needle to mill out parts is a joke.
I would strongly recommend against it. I was one of the original kick starter backers, the quality of production units has absolutely tanked. I never had a failure with mine but many people did. 2+ months to get replacement parts. All the parts are specialized and have to be ordered from Snapmaker. The laser is worthless, the CNC is mostly worthless. It’s an outstanding 3D printer but Luban (the native software) is horrible. It’s 2-3 years behind Cura / Prusa slicer. Not to mention the whole operating system is trash, simple things like being able to disconnect from a WiFi network are not possible and they don’t care to fix issues like that. I sold mine and bough an Ender 3 V2, $259 printer prints 10X better. I would say 50% of the units I see people receiving have quality control issues. Missing parts, parts machined wrong, holes not tapped, ban liner modules out of the box, etc.
@@Nordern Or since you have a 3D printer already, you could build yourself an MPCNC, as Mr. Kitchen mentioned by the end. There are even a few different designs of mosly 3D printed CNC machines and a lot of them are good. Also, never would've guessed my favourite "wheezing asthmatic & heavily edited funny moments editor" has a hand in CNC machines.
I got the A250 from the Kickstarter at $750 and the enclosure later on for $350. It's been a year since it arrived and I've been able to play around with all the modes. I primarily bought this for 3d printing and have been struggling with it the entire time. Calibration and troubleshooting had to be solved by the community as support has been slow and spotty. The noise of this machine is no joke. Even with the enclosure, I find it getting on my nerves if I don't have something else to distract me. The laser has been fun to use and was a feature I hoped to use often with this machine. The camera on it almost never works right so I've given up on using it . CNC was just a nice extra to have with the machine. I've only used it once so I can't give much feedback on it. It's much quieter than I thought it would be. I plan on purchasing a dedicated 3d printer and have the snapmaker as a dedicated laser machine and backup 3d printer.
I bought a Snapmaker 2.0 A350T recently as I'd finally tired of the frequent breakdowns of my DIY 3D printer. As mentioned, build quality is great. I haven't really noticed the noise issue. What I did notice is that even in fast print mode, it takes double the time to print compared to my old 3D printer. However, this vid has raised the point that I'm comparing a lead screw machine to a belt machine so I guess its something I'm going to have to live with. I haven't yet used the CNC or the laser but they're on my To Do list. I'm just waiting for the right projects to unleash them on. So far, I have addressed 3 weaknesses of the machine. Firstly, I designed, printed & fitted an enclosure for the underside which neatly captures all of the loose cabling. Secondly, inspired by someone else's design, I designed a Quick Change bracket for the CNC & laser beds so that it's not necessary to switch out 14 screws when changing function. Thirdly, I designed a Quick Change bracket for the toolhead making it a matter of seconds to change out. This saves a lot of awkward fumbling around as well as doing away with needing 360 degree access around the machine (useful later on when I get an enclosure). My next mission will be to fit cable chains for the X axis cabling in addition to the Z motion heated bed and the toolhead. Unfortunately, cables as supplied are way too short for that so I've ordered a couple of spares from Snapmaker. Longer term, I'd like to fit LED illumination. Sometimes its really hard to see what's going on in the workspace. I also ordered the stop button, unfortunately it doesn't work the way you'd expect. Looks like that's an aspect of the system that Snapmaker need to do some work on.
I have the A250 with the enclosure. I like it and use it regularly but I could not recommend it to others. It cost more than $2000 Australian, by the time you pay shipping and taxes. But you do not get a $2000 machine. It is far to noisy and the laser module is next to useless. The CNC does work well. As a 3D printer my Prusa Mini is far better. One big bonus is Snapmaker support is excellent. After about 3 months the laser module failed. I contacted support and they tried there best to short out my problem but when it became clear that the module was at fault they quickly sent a replacement at no cost to me. My hope is a upgrade to the laser that does not cost the earth.
My problem with multiple use machines like this, is they generally have some sort of compromise mechanically for at least one of the attachments. But the worst part is that the single thing is as expensive or more expensive than 3 separate machines. Unless you're reaaaaally tight on space it's not worth it. The snapmaker at ~$1800 could be reasonably competed with (and exceeded in some cases) by a combo of a K40 laser (~$400-500) which is a "proper" C02 laser an Ender 3 ($180) and a Shapeoko 3 (~$1500) which is a "proper" CNC router I know my totals add up to slightly more than the Snapmaker, but you'd have 3 machines, 2 of which are far more powerful and a printer that's likely faster and you could do stuff on all 3 at the same time, I would think that'd be worth the extra~$200-300 from my example.
I preordered right after the Kickstart ended and got mine in November. Best decision I've ever made! Thing is amazing, we'll built and easy to use, but has upgrade paths for the more advanced
Thanks for the fascinating review, Stefan. This seems to the best combo machine review I've seen so far, but it's odd to me that they spent time on "bells and whistles" features, like having a light-up USB socket for the thumbdrive, while ignoring some of the glaring basic issues, like still having a flimsy bed for machining and the lack of an e-stop switch ON THE CONTROLLER AS STANDARD. Although it's not outstanding at any one discipline it seems to work quite well for a combo machine and would probably be OK for a hobbyist wanting to do small laser/machining projects in addition to 3D printing. But if you're serious about all three disciplines you'd be better served with purpose-built machines. I couldn't see a combo machine supporting a 40-80 watt CO2 laser for working on shiny metal workpieces, for example. I'd be interested to see how well the 3D printing actually works: I'd expect to see backlash issues be more evident on actual test prints like the XYZ Cube because organic prints, like the busts you were printing, "hide a multitude of sins." I can see the potential in such combo platforms, though, and the appeal for a small operator that doesn't have space for three separate machines (e.g.: an apartment dweller), so I'd be interested to see how much better a Snapmaker 3.0 could be once they've taken all of the feedback from Snapmaker 2.0 on board.
That laser module makes me extremely nervous, without an enclosure you wouldn't want to be very close due to the laser scattering however you can't leave it alone because you have to be prepared to shut it down if it starts a fire
They do sell a laser safe enclosure (at $500). Also the laser is pretty underpowered and would have great difficulty starting a fire with anything that is appropriate for a laser cutter.
@@adamc7779 gotta be honest and say that $500 is a pretty overpriced enclosure, considering it's only made out of protective glass and aluminum extrusions. Protective glass is expensive, yes. But that expensive? And for a company that buys in bulk? Sounds scammy to me
I thohght about getting the snapmaker. But adding it up and for the same price I went for the cr10s pro and for CNC went for the Bulkmam 3D queen bee pro 1000x1000 which has a proper spindle for cnc work.
i wasnt amazed by the speed with my first prints either, but after watching some videos, i have changed the layer height that is standard with the snapmaker 2.0 preset built into cura from .2mm layer height to .28 layer height. This combined with increasing the mm per second to 120mm/sec allowed me to print 500% speed. I am ordering a .6mm print head to further increase the speed. you should try that out !
Great review! I am posting my review of the product tomorrow. I wish it was quieter too. The Case is a most in my opinion. It gets dusty and the smell when using laser isn't good.
The very noisy steppers got me too, but it’s not that bad with the enclosure. They couldn’t use silent stepper drivers, as they don’t work with 48v systems, which this is. They went with a 48v system, as it was the only way to get the CNC Mill to be useful. So, it’s either noisy steppers, or a fairly useless CNC Mill. They are working on some new linear rails, so we’ll see what they come up with. BTW, the A350 heated bed will go up to 100 degrees, but it will take close to 30 minutes to reach that temperature.
I actually like the loud steppers, that way if something goes wrong you know immediately and can deal with it. I like the sound of machines running well and want to know when there is a problem
I've been watching your channel since I pre ordered my a350 nearly a year ago... I was a bit worried what you were going to say in the review! As an owner using it for 3 months now I agree completely with your review. The annoying thing is it's got me interested in CNC and lazering so much I want to get the dedicated machines too!
Me too. I received my kickstarter A250 few month back. Loved it ever since. I am a little scared using the cnc and laser since I wasn't expecting the enclosure to cost that much even with the discount. Waiting until I find a cheaper replacement, build one my self or find it used somewhere. I am still a newbie (rookie) and have a lot to learn. What filaments are you using? Good luck !!
I had the first snapmaker, back in 2018, straight from Kickstarter. It was my first 3D printer, and I was actually rather happy with the easy of use. But it showed a few downsides soon: 1) It was loud. I could only print during off-time of homeoffice, and not during the night... 2) I discovered that Laser engraving and CNC was not for me. Fumes, Dust, loudness. So I never even used the CNC module, and the laser only for one weekend. Don't get me wrong: for beginners, it is a nice working device, capable of doing different things for a reasonable price. I sold it, and got a Prusa. But the buyer is still happy with with the Snapmaker...
Love mine. The big 2 problems I have had are bed leveling and 3d printing after a tool head change. You can spend so much time and effort dialing all the settings to get very nice prints. BUT the moment you switch out to another mode you can kiss it all goodbye. When you go back to 3d printing its like a new machine. You will get workable prints but you have to start all over on fine tuning. So your final thought really stand firm. If you want a printer that you can fine tune to print out clean sexy prints Get a standalone 3d printer. If you want a jack-of-all-trade that does well on all but not pro then this as a great way to go.
Nice review. Worth mentioning: The new version the 150T, 250T and 350T versions make less noise and the laser cutter went from 1600mW to 10000mW (625% stronger)
I have the A250 and I use it for CNC machining of carbon fibre sheet and also laser cutting/engraving. I’m very happy with it. I have the enclosure and use it in a workshop environment. I am very happy with the results although I am pretty conservative with the feed rate for cutting with the CNC as it is a fairly light machine. If time isn’t an issue though it’s not a problem. Yes it’s noisy for a 3D printer but that’s the lead screw design requiring a lot of turns to move any distance however you need that for the CNC function where a belt drive wouldn’t really be suitable.
That could be interesting. I'd love for some of the bigger names in 3D printing to weigh in on the Voron. I've been looking at it awhile and it seems like one of the best machines around, especially for the price.
Damn. I about had a cardiac event thinking after reading Metal 3D printer, presuming that meant someone figured out how to make a cheap desktop metal filament. Still, a well-done all-in-one printer still hasn't been pulled off very well.
We should all hope multi machines like these make tons of progress and get cheaper because I mean who of us wouldn't want a machine that could do all of these things at home for a good price? CNCs are extremely expensive! Especially for someone that just wants to tinker and build stuff for fun.
Yeaa... Saw the original one being used in one of my local stores during Christmas season as a Laser engraver for personalizing wooden kitchen utensils you bought in the store. First thing I noticed when I saw it was the lack of an enclosure while potentially doing its thing amidst a crowd of people watching their stuff getting Laser engraved ( wasn't operated when I saw it ) so I asked one of the clerks if the machine is being run at all and if so with an enclosure - "Yes & No" to which I told them they can't run this shit in the public without a Laser certified enclosure protecting everyone! - "Noted" Having a little bit of a trust issue I still called the local Police station and explained them the situation - The guy I reached first was hopelessly overwhelmed with my explanation but was willing to have it investigated. A day later I received a call from his colleague not only versed but _specialised_ in the topic of Laser Warfare ( apparently blinding Officers with high power Laser pens during demonstrations is a thing here 😑 ) and they not only confirmed my request but even notified the Store HQ that all locations with such a Laser engraving service running without an enclosure must immediately shut down all operations. That was after they investigated the situation later that day and found the guy operating the machine doing so with _his_ safety glasses located in a drawer and customers watching the show 🙄
Thorough review as usual A friend got the 250, with the enclosure, when they backed it on Kickstarter. I have experience with a all-in-one machine, recently watched 3DMakerNoob/Makes n'Breaks livestream of the ZMorph FAB, and now see this. I think the statement someone else made "Jack of all trades, master of none" is still very true here. But as I said for ZMorph, I'm glad there are companies working on them. Yes, they're not perfect (...master of none), but there is something extremely desirable about being able to not be restricted to one system (especially if you don't have the space to own multiple). That said, my friend's is loud (even with the enclosure) and quality does vary. Also, the touchscreen is terrible IMHO... but I only looked at it once so far so I can't really give a detailed assessment.
The exposed laser is just absolutely horrifying. I wouldn't want to be anywhere in line of sight of that thing during operation. Between that and the lack of an emergency stop stock it seems like safety wasn't first in this design process
Seems like a nicely designed machine, but too much money for a good (but noisey) 3D printer, reasonable laser cutter, and underpowered, limited CNC. Better to invest the same money in separate machines, even if it will cost more.
Yea for someone like myself who has limited space I have 0 room for 3 separate machines currently, but I wanted a large 3D printer and I wanted a decent laser and CNC it's perfect, and for the premium to have it all in one I'd gladly pay more with how nice it is
Also the heated bed is underwhelming. I mean, it's a direct drive machine and you can't use it for e.g. TPE because the bed can't reach the temperature necessary?
This machine is the embodiment of "jack of all trades, master of none". $450 for a large 3d printer, $450 for a K40 co2 laser and you've got $900 left over for one of those cheap desktop cnc mills from china. If the snap maker could run a co2 laser then it might be worth it but the lead screw design just makes it too slow to function very well as a laser or printer.
to be honest with a machine like this I would expect the main usage to be CNC milling, with laser and 3d printing as a way to save footprint as a versatile household tool. You could buy a comparable performance and separate 3d printer and laser engraver for less than the total for this one machine. But, a cnc mill with comparable performance to this will be a similar price point. It looks like they still have more work to do to really tick all the boxes for this sort of product (what it does is already achievable with a diy machine, but the real draw is that the thing is all the legwork is done right out of the box) I would really like to see some sort of dust/smoke extraction and an e-stop to be included with it by default, not as extra additions. Other things like laser air assist, enclosure, auto-leveling can be add-ons I really think something very much like this will be relatively common in households with "handy" people in the next few decades
So it's a cheap 3D printer, mediocre laser "cutter"(with zero protection in the kit!), and a worthless "mill". For *way* too much money. Just buy a 3040 router with a 1500W spindle, and spend the rest on a nice modern 3D printer.
@@ThePandaKingFTW For this price, just look for "3040 1500W" on aliexpress/ebay. It's not the best machines(quality), but they'll still eat this one for breakfast.
@@Spirit532 Yeah I just want to get something entry level to expand my capabilities, not the best in class. Hence why I thought of getting this because it can at least do the job of 3 machines at least on a basic level, but if I can get separate machines that do it better for the same total price then im sold.
That's what I was thinking. Got a 3018 cnc and a lk4 for like 500€ with all accessories and upgrades. And if I have to do laser stuff I do it in a local fablab where they have industrial 40 and 60w lasers
My guess is that they needed the extra torque. TMC2209 in the StealthChop mode produces significantly lower torque from the motors. That works for 3D printing and laser but for a router on an already marginal machine (toy spindle, poor rigidity of the table, etc.) it could have been a no-go. A silent machine that ruins your work/breaks the bit because it loses steps is useless.
Chatter happened because uve used plastic mill for metal. Its not supposed to cut it :) I thought it would break as it usually do to me. (Ive got 6040 1.5Kw cnc)
All of the full-sized CNC mills and lathes I've worked with have backlash compensation built in to compensate for the inherent backlash that their motion systems have. I would hope this little machine does the same.
I feel like they are really hurting their strongest aspect, their flexibility, by using 10,000 screws instead some sort of universal quick change mechanism. It looks like it'd be a huge pain to swap from any mode to another one meaning you'll be likely to avoid it when possible and really cutting down on the flexibility it'd offer to maybe 3D print a part then use the CNC to remove layer lines in some areas or some other post processing.
I once owned a similar product from a different vendor. It kind of worked for all disciplines but wasn't really good at one of them. The custom software had a lot of bugs and lacked development. I ended up selling it and bought an used Ultimaker and never looked back.
@@CNCKitchen yeah, I suppose the risk of wear exposing conductors etc. But it seems safety wasn't their highest priority in this design. A modular bed design could surely be made safe.
I tried the version 1 about a year ago. Very cool idea. I enjoyed it but had to return it because there was a flaw in the controller - it wouldn't turn off after a few weeks. I eventually went with something that was a better fit for my needs. I feel the same about the 2.0 but might consider it again if my needs change.
Hab mir gerade das neueste Modell, den Artisan bestellt. Ich kann nur sagen, das vieles hier realisiert wurde und sich zum dem von dir getesteten Modell wesentlich verbessert wurde. Und alles in einer geschlossenen Box. Wäre meiner Meinung nach ein weiteres Video wert. Jedenfalls ist es gut genug, das ich bereit bin doch noch mal tief in die Tasche zu greifen. Aber für das Geld kann ich sowas nicht selber bauen. Und wenn das Ding so gut ist, wie ich denke, verkaufe ich meine anderen Geräte.
FYI most recent firmware update only requires Wifi confirmation upon first use. Also, once the transfer is complete it doesn't need to maintain the wifi connection, in fact it disconnects by itself while it's printing.
I builted a cnc around 2014 and I added a 3d printing hot end. You should have seen how the table it was shaking when a 45 kilo head was moving around 50mm/s. nearly broke. maybe not good as prinder but defenetly more than good enhoug for what I designed to do.
I am currently building a 500x500x500 Hypercube, it was my intention to make that an all in one as well, I figured it would be as easy as just swapping out the heads, your review gave me a lot to think about, and I may require some serious design changes or build dedicated ones for each job, (Which is a B**ch if you live in an apartment, not just the noise but also no room for that). I was alos looking at the snapmaker, a bit too pricy for me right now, but I guess if you buy a dedicated machine with some quality you will pay 3 times as much. I thought it was a cool machine and pretty much expected the things you say in your review, most all in ones can't do everything perfectly, but when they are better than "good enough" it is well worth it's money, especially for small projects. The build area of this one was surprisingly big though, it is bigger than my ender 3 pro, so I know that 300 cubed builds are big enough for helmets and other huge stuff
I have mine in a large cabinet this really helped with noise the bed heated up quicker thought still not quickly, keeps dust contained and I can be Shure no one blinds them selves.
Lead screws in industrial applications are leagues beyond belts in terms of accuracy and backlash. Although this only applies if you're using a proper ball lead screw, but actual, professional lead screws can easily be tuned up all the same. Looks like they ended up using acme screws, which aren't bad, as a sort of compromise on applications requiring strength, but it really comes down to what they are using to interface with the lead screw itself.
Bed temperatures on the big bed can be increase by insulating the bottom of the bed, several layers of aluminum foil are great for radiative barrier insulation.
I considered buying a snapmaker but after doing research I decided to buy a dedicated 3d printer and a 3018 cnc/laser for less than half the price of the snapmaker.
Slap one of these in an enclosure made from acoustic ceiling tiles, add an OctoPi and an exhaust fan on some dryer flex tube, and you have an all-in-one that can live inside a small apartment. Which is one of the key situations where spending money this way makes sense, versus buying three cheaper systems, each of which is better at its job. But if you have the space, use it!
In the absence of an automatic fire suppression system active during unmonitored operation, I would recommend using fire proof materials as the processes of which this machine is capable can produce potentially dangerous heat from removed workpiece material or from broken tooling. The lack of any enclosure is disconcerting considering the use of both a class 4 laser, melted filament & live rotating tooling. Safety is Job 1.
Those linear modules are really nice, but I just wonder how much extra rigidity they left on the table with that super spindly Y carriage. Replace that with a thicker plate of aluminum, and you'll probably get much more stability that the leadscrew drives shouldn't struggle with too much. Same goes with that spindle - that 50W spindle severely limits your performance and is probably the other major cause of all that chatter. If the hardware were open source, it'd be reasonable to replace those parts and make it way more capable, but in its current state it's far from worth it.
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I just ordered one and they are suppose to be coming out with an improved laser module this year.
How can it do the PTFE lined hot end at 275 degrees safely? Is it a special blend of PTFE?
Throw away the filament that came with the machine, that's garbage. I used the "regular quality + PLA" setting in the latest version of Luban. The filament was Colorfabb PLA/PVA but any other quality PLA will do as well.
Is there any way to align SVG files that are meant for the lasers? I saw you could move and scale it, but a parametric way to constrain it would be even more sensible and probably desirable for some?
The ink tank system appears to be much better than the cartridge system th-cam.com/users/postUgkxciSwynMJ7PnUvvx11rewiu-yFBkZTl53 and a lot cheaper to run. The machine was easy to set up. A small point but I thought they'd be a USB cable included to help with the set up but there was none. I've been using it now for a few weeks and it seems like a good product and superior to my previous printers which were all troublesome HP machines.
From a A350 and official enclosure owner: the noise is indeed a problem, but can solved with easy hacks the community found! For example, setting the machine on the foam it came with would reduce the machining noise by almost 50%! And replacing the fan on the PSU(or simply removing it) would make the machine almost completely silent! The laser fumes and optical risk are not a problem when you have the enclosure, nor is the print bed temperature, I printed a bunch of abs on my A350, and there was no problem at all. (A350 can actually reach 100C with its bed but they don't mark it on the book). I love the machine, though there are flaws, but they are continuing being ironed out by Snapmaker, which is a big pro.
I couldn't believe it doesn't have an emergency button !
That's a MUST on a CNC
You can get one now as an official accessory
@@neuroblossom Where? I just looked and cant find one for my A350.
@@acekiller2505 I could be wrong but they were offered to kickstarter backers as an early preorder. If you were a backer then check your email for a link to a shop where you can buy them early. Sorry for the confusion, my mistake.
@@neuroblossom nah don’t worry about it. We all make mistakes. Unfortunately I was a later backer that got my machine early for some reason. Orders in august 2020 and got my snapmaker December 17 I think. So I guess I’ll just have to keep waiting :)
btw, there's a couple of really active and supportive snapmaker groups on FB, try searching for Snapmaker Enthusiasts & Users Group and Snapmaker Owners. You can also see a lot of cool stuff other people are making, I recommend it.
This is the first 3 in 1 I have seen that actually works. well done Snapmaker!
An e-stop being a purchasable addon is incredibly egregious.
Yeah, it'd be an entirely negligible additional cost to include one with it and they absolutely should have done.
Its their Apple dongle strategy all over again, sorry I should say ecosystem.
considering its most-likely just a generic on/off button with a fancy casing, it definately should just come with it.
@@blepblep8267 True E-stop buttons are not generic. In the US they must achieve ANSI certification for appearance/style/functionality conformity, durability, reliability/repeatability & safety circuit contact redundancy. The cost is not a deal breaker, but, while likely a few times greater than a simple input button, still is minimal in relation to the cost of this unit.
Like you suggest, it *definitely* should be included.
@@jimmyers3219 you can buy a pack of 2 off amazon for 10$. they're pretty generic.
I remember back in the day (when I was in my Engineering classes and learning to write G-code "by hand") you had to adjust the speed very granularly depending on the size of the cutting bit, the speed of rotation, and the desired cutting speed of the radius. That was to avoid exceeding the limits for the tool bit and breaking a bit meant you failed that assignment. That was a VERY long time ago though and I'd hope that the newer software handles all of that on the fly when it generates the G-code. Granted, for 3d printing and laser cutting that makes no difference -- but for CNC it is critical.
The sort of understanding you describe really gives one a feel for the process & how critical are the tooling/workpiece material, tool path & spindle speed. Having software provide these process parameters is quick & dirty, but a bit numb as they make minimal deposits into the bank of machining experience.
Another lesser consideration is the formation of & the amount/shape of workpiece chip production & the system's ability to remove it from the process's business district. The reviewer's shopvac technique seems adequate for the small tasks which seem to suit this system. A pneumatic air flush flex nozzle attached near the spindle would be handy (but messy) & seemingly a bit safer.
These multi-machines are not meant for serious engineering, but for the hobbyist, they are a game-changer. I'd love to be able to afford something like this myself.
Great review. Thank you.
Excellent review! Technical and thorough as always :)
Hey Devinn:)
I was lucky enough to get a Snapmaker 2 in February 2020, your review is fantastic and echo's my feelings on the machine pretty closely. It's perfect for me given the limited amount of workshop space I have.
The snapmaker 2.0 A350 was my first printer and only received in December. I'm so excited that you were able to get one and review it. Hopefully more Snapmaker content on the channel! I've already ordered a replacement PSU exhaust fan.
Nice, how do you like yours so far?
@@CNCKitchen I love it! I bought it because I'm a wood worker and really envisioned myself using the laser and CNC significantly more than printer but I've found myself falling in love with printing too. It has some flaws, bed flatness has been a challenge for many and they did have issues with linear modules failing at one point but that seems to have mostly subsided.
this is definitely a step in the right direction, previous printers have been much worse and this is a massive step up, cant wait to see a day when a all in one becomes standard
In the EU the machine has to be sold with the Enclosure to meet the CE-Certification standard. That makes the machine more expensive of course, but takes care of the laser-safety issues (and also makes the noise level a bit more tolerable).
As someone that was fortunate enough to test the A350 myself, I absolutely agree with everything you said. I love the machine, even if it is not perfect. Great Review. :)
I'm in the EU and got it without. I'm waiting with the laser until I've finished building a proper enclosure though anyway. (focus on noise reduction right after laser safety)
"Jack of all trades, master of none"
The rest of that quote goes on to say "though oftentimes better than master of one" hahaha
Hey, they's me!
If you are lucky enough for your machine to last longer than a week.
"Jank of all trades, master of none" would be more applicable here.
Nice! I got one of these and a few days ago one linear module wouldn’t respond. So I contacted support and they quickly responded and solved the problem.
Honestly... a machine like this has always been the ideal in my mind. Practically I never expected it to be good enough though.
I use my A350 for 3D prints as well as for PCBs with the laser for the photo resist and the CNC for drilling and cutting the PCB. It is not as good as dedicated machines, but it's really good for a 3 in 1. I also have it in the enclosure (it comes with dorr detection, exhaust fan + duct and lighting, which cuts back on the noise a lot. It's also great for the laser because the panels of the enclosure are blocking the laser.
Thanks for sharing!
Something missing in the world is more good honest reviews. Thanks 👍
I got one as an early Kickstarter backer - had it for about 12 months. The A250 is my first 3d printer (and laser engraver and CNC router to boot).
Certainly agree with all of Stefan's criticisms - it's noisy and not fast, also not powerful on the laser or CNC fronts.
My main motivation for getting a multifunction device like this was I didn't have much space in the apartment I was renting - a single device on a bench is much smaller than three. I also didn't want to be limited to just 3d printing. Turns out I've had good cause to use the other toolheads as well.
Thanks for confirming my findings.
You're welcome.
I've been following your channel for a while now and was interested in your thoughts on how much of a compromise was made for the additional functions of this device.
I love this machine. I have the OG and 2.0, churning out prints like a pro
If I ever get a printfarm together this is a great looking finishing system. I'm sold because of your fair review.
that die cast y carriage is gorgeous!
would be interesting to see this with some TMC5160s, the stepper drivers designed for monstrous NEMA23 type stuff, should have no issue with this, and quieter too
The snapmaker is closed source - you're not swapping the stepper drivers on this. The stepper drivers are actually in the linear modules, and are soldered to the boards.
@@knytetech7732 yup, the machine itself is the only thing about snapmaker that isn’t open source. Not to mention that even though the stepper motors are NEMA23 they ordered them with custom specs and will only work for snapmaker.
Thanks for the really thorough review. Like you, I assumed this machine would not perform well, and was pleased to see it performed as well as it did. As you said - the trick is deciding if you should start down the path of a consolidated machine, with its pros and cons or work towards purchasing or building 3 separate machines.
I have the a350 and Love it. I also have 10 other 3d printers. This is the best 3d printer for the money by far. I replaced the PSU fan with one from Amazon. It's almost silent now.
The most comprehensive show available on these sujects Stefan. Incredible, thanks for sharing. Great product, but I believe I'll opt for separate.
I got mine about 3 months ago and so far I am very happy with my purchase and don’t care if it lacks in a few places on each function. I knew that buying it. I find it dumb how some people are judging the machine in how it cant do ONE thing perfectly. Can’t wait for the Addons to come out! :D
Great review, I have the snapmaker 2.0 and I feel like you covered most of it. The enclosure really does make a difference in everything you can do with the machine but how can you know if they dont have you review it right? The end remarks about if you should buy it or not are spot on! Nice job!
Fantastic video, I was not planning on watching the whole thing, but I couldn't stop watching!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Simply put, when i get the space for it, i will get one of these machines!
Please don't lol. This machine is trash man. There are some small routers thats are cable or you can build your own that would be capable as well.
This thing is a gimmick nothing else. Buy a decent printer for a couple hundred bucks and then buy a decent desktop mill for a couple thousand.
To give perspective if yiu say convert a pm25 to cnc you could actually mill parts. Its 1500 bucks plus the conversion parts.
Using a endmil that is practically a needle to mill out parts is a joke.
@@fiberop635 fair point, i already have a Ender3 Pro that is running well, so maybe looking for a mill/engraver combo instead would be a better idea
I would strongly recommend against it. I was one of the original kick starter backers, the quality of production units has absolutely tanked.
I never had a failure with mine but many people did. 2+ months to get replacement parts. All the parts are specialized and have to be ordered from Snapmaker.
The laser is worthless, the CNC is mostly worthless. It’s an outstanding 3D printer but Luban (the native software) is horrible. It’s 2-3 years behind Cura / Prusa slicer.
Not to mention the whole operating system is trash, simple things like being able to disconnect from a WiFi network are not possible and they don’t care to fix issues like that.
I sold mine and bough an Ender 3 V2, $259 printer prints 10X better.
I would say 50% of the units I see people receiving have quality control issues. Missing parts, parts machined wrong, holes not tapped, ban liner modules out of the box, etc.
@@Nordern just get a 1000$ printer and a 1000$ CNC nothing will be better
@@Nordern Or since you have a 3D printer already, you could build yourself an MPCNC, as Mr. Kitchen mentioned by the end. There are even a few different designs of mosly 3D printed CNC machines and a lot of them are good.
Also, never would've guessed my favourite "wheezing asthmatic & heavily edited funny moments editor" has a hand in CNC machines.
I got the A250 from the Kickstarter at $750 and the enclosure later on for $350. It's been a year since it arrived and I've been able to play around with all the modes. I primarily bought this for 3d printing and have been struggling with it the entire time. Calibration and troubleshooting had to be solved by the community as support has been slow and spotty. The noise of this machine is no joke. Even with the enclosure, I find it getting on my nerves if I don't have something else to distract me. The laser has been fun to use and was a feature I hoped to use often with this machine. The camera on it almost never works right so I've given up on using it . CNC was just a nice extra to have with the machine. I've only used it once so I can't give much feedback on it. It's much quieter than I thought it would be. I plan on purchasing a dedicated 3d printer and have the snapmaker as a dedicated laser machine and backup 3d printer.
Thanks for the feedback!
I bought a Snapmaker 2.0 A350T recently as I'd finally tired of the frequent breakdowns of my DIY 3D printer.
As mentioned, build quality is great. I haven't really noticed the noise issue. What I did notice is that even in fast print mode, it takes double the time to print compared to my old 3D printer. However, this vid has raised the point that I'm comparing a lead screw machine to a belt machine so I guess its something I'm going to have to live with.
I haven't yet used the CNC or the laser but they're on my To Do list. I'm just waiting for the right projects to unleash them on.
So far, I have addressed 3 weaknesses of the machine. Firstly, I designed, printed & fitted an enclosure for the underside which neatly captures all of the loose cabling. Secondly, inspired by someone else's design, I designed a Quick Change bracket for the CNC & laser beds so that it's not necessary to switch out 14 screws when changing function. Thirdly, I designed a Quick Change bracket for the toolhead making it a matter of seconds to change out. This saves a lot of awkward fumbling around as well as doing away with needing 360 degree access around the machine (useful later on when I get an enclosure).
My next mission will be to fit cable chains for the X axis cabling in addition to the Z motion heated bed and the toolhead. Unfortunately, cables as supplied are way too short for that so I've ordered a couple of spares from Snapmaker.
Longer term, I'd like to fit LED illumination. Sometimes its really hard to see what's going on in the workspace.
I also ordered the stop button, unfortunately it doesn't work the way you'd expect. Looks like that's an aspect of the system that Snapmaker need to do some work on.
0:28 my usual exposure to German TH-camrs had me thinking you were going to say LET ME SHOW YOU IT'S FEATURES!
Yay. I have one and so glad to see you review it. Been happy with mine so far, but I am definitely building a soundproof ventilated box for it.
Thank you for taking time to make this review. A real adventure piece for the hobbyist
I have the A250 with the enclosure. I like it and use it regularly but I could not recommend it to others. It cost more than $2000 Australian, by the time you pay shipping and taxes. But you do not get a $2000 machine. It is far to noisy and the laser module is next to useless. The CNC does work well. As a 3D printer my Prusa Mini is far better. One big bonus is Snapmaker support is excellent. After about 3 months the laser module failed. I contacted support and they tried there best to short out my problem but when it became clear that the module was at fault they quickly sent a replacement at no cost to me. My hope is a upgrade to the laser that does not cost the earth.
There is plans for a more powerful laser :)
My problem with multiple use machines like this, is they generally have some sort of compromise mechanically for at least one of the attachments. But the worst part is that the single thing is as expensive or more expensive than 3 separate machines. Unless you're reaaaaally tight on space it's not worth it. The snapmaker at ~$1800 could be reasonably competed with (and exceeded in some cases) by a combo of a K40 laser (~$400-500) which is a "proper" C02 laser an Ender 3 ($180) and a Shapeoko 3 (~$1500) which is a "proper" CNC router
I know my totals add up to slightly more than the Snapmaker, but you'd have 3 machines, 2 of which are far more powerful and a printer that's likely faster and you could do stuff on all 3 at the same time, I would think that'd be worth the extra~$200-300 from my example.
I preordered right after the Kickstart ended and got mine in November. Best decision I've ever made! Thing is amazing, we'll built and easy to use, but has upgrade paths for the more advanced
Great review, thanks! I bought the A350 when the kickstarter was going on. I agree with your observations, nice machine but VERY loud!
Thanks for the fascinating review, Stefan.
This seems to the best combo machine review I've seen so far, but it's odd to me that they spent time on "bells and whistles" features, like having a light-up USB socket for the thumbdrive, while ignoring some of the glaring basic issues, like still having a flimsy bed for machining and the lack of an e-stop switch ON THE CONTROLLER AS STANDARD.
Although it's not outstanding at any one discipline it seems to work quite well for a combo machine and would probably be OK for a hobbyist wanting to do small laser/machining projects in addition to 3D printing. But if you're serious about all three disciplines you'd be better served with purpose-built machines. I couldn't see a combo machine supporting a 40-80 watt CO2 laser for working on shiny metal workpieces, for example. I'd be interested to see how well the 3D printing actually works: I'd expect to see backlash issues be more evident on actual test prints like the XYZ Cube because organic prints, like the busts you were printing, "hide a multitude of sins."
I can see the potential in such combo platforms, though, and the appeal for a small operator that doesn't have space for three separate machines (e.g.: an apartment dweller), so I'd be interested to see how much better a Snapmaker 3.0 could be once they've taken all of the feedback from Snapmaker 2.0 on board.
Thanks Sir! You safed me from buying my first over priced 3D printer I'm still searching a beginner 3D printer.
That laser module makes me extremely nervous, without an enclosure you wouldn't want to be very close due to the laser scattering however you can't leave it alone because you have to be prepared to shut it down if it starts a fire
And no E-stop either
They do sell a laser safe enclosure (at $500). Also the laser is pretty underpowered and would have great difficulty starting a fire with anything that is appropriate for a laser cutter.
@@adamc7779 gotta be honest and say that $500 is a pretty overpriced enclosure, considering it's only made out of protective glass and aluminum extrusions. Protective glass is expensive, yes. But that expensive? And for a company that buys in bulk? Sounds scammy to me
@@Arterexius Yeah, I certainly won't be buying one.
Finally I was waiting for a honest review
Thanks, I had the last bit of information needed for what I wanted
Glad it was helpful!
I thohght about getting the snapmaker. But adding it up and for the same price I went for the cr10s pro and for CNC went for the Bulkmam 3D queen bee pro 1000x1000 which has a proper spindle for cnc work.
Plus extra parts support for creality and a huge community
The queen bee pro also has support for 4th axis milling
Both can be modified to laster cut.
i wasnt amazed by the speed with my first prints either, but after watching some videos, i have changed the layer height that is standard with the snapmaker 2.0 preset built into cura from .2mm layer height to .28 layer height. This combined with increasing the mm per second to 120mm/sec allowed me to print 500% speed. I am ordering a .6mm print head to further increase the speed. you should try that out !
"Let me show you..." I was half expecting, "Its features!"
Not alot of slingshot fans around here :)
Great review! I am posting my review of the product tomorrow. I wish it was quieter too. The Case is a most in my opinion. It gets dusty and the smell when using laser isn't good.
That's not the purpose of the case. I hope you realise.
The very noisy steppers got me too, but it’s not that bad with the enclosure. They couldn’t use silent stepper drivers, as they don’t work with 48v systems, which this is. They went with a 48v system, as it was the only way to get the CNC Mill to be useful. So, it’s either noisy steppers, or a fairly useless CNC Mill. They are working on some new linear rails, so we’ll see what they come up with. BTW, the A350 heated bed will go up to 100 degrees, but it will take close to 30 minutes to reach that temperature.
Thanks for the insight!
I actually like the loud steppers, that way if something goes wrong you know immediately and can deal with it. I like the sound of machines running well and want to know when there is a problem
I love my A250 it's the perfect size for me
12:00 haha I did the same mistake and destroyed the Flatt end mill
I've been watching your channel since I pre ordered my a350 nearly a year ago... I was a bit worried what you were going to say in the review!
As an owner using it for 3 months now I agree completely with your review.
The annoying thing is it's got me interested in CNC and lazering so much I want to get the dedicated machines too!
Great to hear!
Me too. I received my kickstarter A250 few month back. Loved it ever since.
I am a little scared using the cnc and laser since I wasn't expecting the enclosure to cost that much even with the discount. Waiting until I find a cheaper replacement, build one my self or find it used somewhere. I am still a newbie (rookie) and have a lot to learn.
What filaments are you using?
Good luck !!
I had the first snapmaker, back in 2018, straight from Kickstarter. It was my first 3D printer, and I was actually rather happy with the easy of use. But it showed a few downsides soon:
1) It was loud. I could only print during off-time of homeoffice, and not during the night...
2) I discovered that Laser engraving and CNC was not for me. Fumes, Dust, loudness. So I never even used the CNC module, and the laser only for one weekend.
Don't get me wrong: for beginners, it is a nice working device, capable of doing different things for a reasonable price.
I sold it, and got a Prusa. But the buyer is still happy with with the Snapmaker...
Love mine. The big 2 problems I have had are bed leveling and 3d printing after a tool head change. You can spend so much time and effort dialing all the settings to get very nice prints. BUT the moment you switch out to another mode you can kiss it all goodbye. When you go back to 3d printing its like a new machine. You will get workable prints but you have to start all over on fine tuning. So your final thought really stand firm. If you want a printer that you can fine tune to print out clean sexy prints Get a standalone 3d printer. If you want a jack-of-all-trade that does well on all but not pro then this as a great way to go.
Seems like a tremendous amount of effort went into designing this machine. Great review.
Nice review. Worth mentioning: The new version the 150T, 250T and 350T versions make less noise and the laser cutter went from 1600mW to 10000mW (625% stronger)
I have the A250 and I use it for CNC machining of carbon fibre sheet and also laser cutting/engraving. I’m very happy with it. I have the enclosure and use it in a workshop environment.
I am very happy with the results although I am pretty conservative with the feed rate for cutting with the CNC as it is a fairly light machine. If time isn’t an issue though it’s not a problem. Yes it’s noisy for a 3D printer but that’s the lead screw design requiring a lot of turns to move any distance however you need that for the CNC function where a belt drive wouldn’t really be suitable.
6:40 O.o uhh a voron printer is getting printed :D
Was gonna say the same!
Gotta love the cheek. Lend a guy a fancy multirole machine, uses it to print a Voron.
He's working on a Voron V0, he bought a Formbot kit (check his twitter).
@@michael.knight thinking about a 2.4 myself. Big fan of Klipper
That could be interesting. I'd love for some of the bigger names in 3D printing to weigh in on the Voron.
I've been looking at it awhile and it seems like one of the best machines around, especially for the price.
Damn. I about had a cardiac event thinking after reading Metal 3D printer, presuming that meant someone figured out how to make a cheap desktop metal filament. Still, a well-done all-in-one printer still hasn't been pulled off very well.
We should all hope multi machines like these make tons of progress and get cheaper because I mean who of us wouldn't want a machine that could do all of these things at home for a good price? CNCs are extremely expensive! Especially for someone that just wants to tinker and build stuff for fun.
Yeaa... Saw the original one being used in one of my local stores during Christmas season as a Laser engraver for personalizing wooden kitchen utensils you bought in the store.
First thing I noticed when I saw it was the lack of an enclosure while potentially doing its thing amidst a crowd of people watching their stuff getting Laser engraved ( wasn't operated when I saw it ) so I asked one of the clerks if the machine is being run at all and if so with an enclosure - "Yes & No" to which I told them they can't run this shit in the public without a Laser certified enclosure protecting everyone! - "Noted"
Having a little bit of a trust issue I still called the local Police station and explained them the situation - The guy I reached first was hopelessly overwhelmed with my explanation but was willing to have it investigated. A day later I received a call from his colleague not only versed but _specialised_ in the topic of Laser Warfare ( apparently blinding Officers with high power Laser pens during demonstrations is a thing here 😑 ) and they not only confirmed my request but even notified the Store HQ that all locations with such a Laser engraving service running without an enclosure must immediately shut down all operations.
That was after they investigated the situation later that day and found the guy operating the machine doing so with _his_ safety glasses located in a drawer and customers watching the show 🙄
Wow! Thank you for sharing, that's crazy.
Thorough review as usual
A friend got the 250, with the enclosure, when they backed it on Kickstarter. I have experience with a all-in-one machine, recently watched 3DMakerNoob/Makes n'Breaks livestream of the ZMorph FAB, and now see this. I think the statement someone else made "Jack of all trades, master of none" is still very true here. But as I said for ZMorph, I'm glad there are companies working on them. Yes, they're not perfect (...master of none), but there is something extremely desirable about being able to not be restricted to one system (especially if you don't have the space to own multiple). That said, my friend's is loud (even with the enclosure) and quality does vary. Also, the touchscreen is terrible IMHO... but I only looked at it once so far so I can't really give a detailed assessment.
I am starting to soften up for these kinds of machines. But still, I think it has to be done exceedingly well.
The exposed laser is just absolutely horrifying. I wouldn't want to be anywhere in line of sight of that thing during operation. Between that and the lack of an emergency stop stock it seems like safety wasn't first in this design process
The loud noise is already a no go for me. Such a pity they thought it was not important to make it silent. Thanks for another great review Stefan!
Well , its dificult to make silent a CNC machine..
but 3d printers are considered as CNC machines and they have gotten alot quieter over the years@@noway8233
Seems like a nicely designed machine, but too much money for a good (but noisey) 3D printer, reasonable laser cutter, and underpowered, limited CNC. Better to invest the same money in separate machines, even if it will cost more.
Yes I suppose for someone in say a single room, this is perfect.
Yea for someone like myself who has limited space I have 0 room for 3 separate machines currently, but I wanted a large 3D printer and I wanted a decent laser and CNC it's perfect, and for the premium to have it all in one I'd gladly pay more with how nice it is
Also the heated bed is underwhelming. I mean, it's a direct drive machine and you can't use it for e.g. TPE because the bed can't reach the temperature necessary?
This machine is the embodiment of "jack of all trades, master of none". $450 for a large 3d printer, $450 for a K40 co2 laser and you've got $900 left over for one of those cheap desktop cnc mills from china. If the snap maker could run a co2 laser then it might be worth it but the lead screw design just makes it too slow to function very well as a laser or printer.
to be honest with a machine like this I would expect the main usage to be CNC milling, with laser and 3d printing as a way to save footprint as a versatile household tool. You could buy a comparable performance and separate 3d printer and laser engraver for less than the total for this one machine. But, a cnc mill with comparable performance to this will be a similar price point. It looks like they still have more work to do to really tick all the boxes for this sort of product (what it does is already achievable with a diy machine, but the real draw is that the thing is all the legwork is done right out of the box) I would really like to see some sort of dust/smoke extraction and an e-stop to be included with it by default, not as extra additions. Other things like laser air assist, enclosure, auto-leveling can be add-ons
I really think something very much like this will be relatively common in households with "handy" people in the next few decades
So it's a cheap 3D printer, mediocre laser "cutter"(with zero protection in the kit!), and a worthless "mill". For *way* too much money.
Just buy a 3040 router with a 1500W spindle, and spend the rest on a nice modern 3D printer.
What router do you suggest? I dont really know what to look for and googling that comes up with dozens with a wide range of prices.
@@ThePandaKingFTW For this price, just look for "3040 1500W" on aliexpress/ebay. It's not the best machines(quality), but they'll still eat this one for breakfast.
@@Spirit532 Yeah I just want to get something entry level to expand my capabilities, not the best in class. Hence why I thought of getting this because it can at least do the job of 3 machines at least on a basic level, but if I can get separate machines that do it better for the same total price then im sold.
@@ThePandaKingFTW Then what I recommended will serve you just fine.
That's what I was thinking. Got a 3018 cnc and a lk4 for like 500€ with all accessories and upgrades. And if I have to do laser stuff I do it in a local fablab where they have industrial 40 and 60w lasers
Jack of all trades, master of none.
almost 2000 dollars and cant add some TMC2209? like come on.
My guess is that they needed the extra torque. TMC2209 in the StealthChop mode produces significantly lower torque from the motors. That works for 3D printing and laser but for a router on an already marginal machine (toy spindle, poor rigidity of the table, etc.) it could have been a no-go. A silent machine that ruins your work/breaks the bit because it loses steps is useless.
kickstarter backers got it for 1k
@@zgrge let's see if they can pull it off too then. You can promise anything on paper, but that doesn't mean it's doable
@@Arterexius Stefan showed that it works fine, the only issue is the sound. And laser engraver Stefan suggests costs 2.5k alone
Wow what a fantastic channel. You do great reviews and in-depth analysis. Very well done. I had to sub after seeing a few videos. Top job.
Welcome aboard!
One way to significantly reduce the noise of this machine is to place it into an enclosure.
Chatter happened because uve used plastic mill for metal. Its not supposed to cut it :) I thought it would break as it usually do to me. (Ive got 6040 1.5Kw cnc)
All of the full-sized CNC mills and lathes I've worked with have backlash compensation built in to compensate for the inherent backlash that their motion systems have. I would hope this little machine does the same.
Great review. I appreciate the attention given to the software.
I feel like they are really hurting their strongest aspect, their flexibility, by using 10,000 screws instead some sort of universal quick change mechanism.
It looks like it'd be a huge pain to swap from any mode to another one meaning you'll be likely to avoid it when possible and really cutting down on the flexibility it'd offer to maybe 3D print a part then use the CNC to remove layer lines in some areas or some other post processing.
NerdyPi there are already printable quick change updates from users
I once owned a similar product from a different vendor. It kind of worked for all disciplines but wasn't really good at one of them. The custom software had a lot of bugs and lacked development. I ended up selling it and bought an used Ultimaker and never looked back.
I'm vaguely surprised a machine of this size and cost doesn't use an A/C bed. Seems like a natural progression.
AC is always a safety risk and I understand why they didn't use it for a bed that you regularly change.
@@CNCKitchen yeah, I suppose the risk of wear exposing conductors etc. But it seems safety wasn't their highest priority in this design. A modular bed design could surely be made safe.
I tried the version 1 about a year ago. Very cool idea. I enjoyed it but had to return it because there was a flaw in the controller - it wouldn't turn off after a few weeks. I eventually went with something that was a better fit for my needs. I feel the same about the 2.0 but might consider it again if my needs change.
Hab mir gerade das neueste Modell, den Artisan bestellt. Ich kann nur sagen, das vieles hier realisiert wurde und sich zum dem von dir getesteten Modell wesentlich verbessert wurde. Und alles in einer geschlossenen Box. Wäre meiner Meinung nach ein weiteres Video wert. Jedenfalls ist es gut genug, das ich bereit bin doch noch mal tief in die Tasche zu greifen. Aber für das Geld kann ich sowas nicht selber bauen. Und wenn das Ding so gut ist, wie ich denke, verkaufe ich meine anderen Geräte.
FYI most recent firmware update only requires Wifi confirmation upon first use. Also, once the transfer is complete it doesn't need to maintain the wifi connection, in fact it disconnects by itself while it's printing.
Great video as always 👍
Love your honest opinion on this device.
Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us 👍😊
For better or worse, thank you Snapmaker for not being proprietary.
yeah... jump on cloud based Fusion 360, and let all your design be ripped off by the rest of the world~!
Thank you so much for this vid!! I was really curious about this printer/cutter/Cnc!!! This is the best review on it that I’ve seen!!
I builted a cnc around 2014 and I added a 3d printing hot end. You should have seen how the table it was shaking when a 45 kilo head was moving around 50mm/s. nearly broke. maybe not good as prinder but defenetly more than good enhoug for what I designed to do.
Best Snapmaker review I could find ! 👍
I found the best way to reduce the noise on this machine is to shut it off.
I am currently building a 500x500x500 Hypercube, it was my intention to make that an all in one as well, I figured it would be as easy as just swapping out the heads, your review gave me a lot to think about, and I may require some serious design changes or build dedicated ones for each job, (Which is a B**ch if you live in an apartment, not just the noise but also no room for that). I was alos looking at the snapmaker, a bit too pricy for me right now, but I guess if you buy a dedicated machine with some quality you will pay 3 times as much. I thought it was a cool machine and pretty much expected the things you say in your review, most all in ones can't do everything perfectly, but when they are better than "good enough" it is well worth it's money, especially for small projects. The build area of this one was surprisingly big though, it is bigger than my ender 3 pro, so I know that 300 cubed builds are big enough for helmets and other huge stuff
I love mine even after a 18 month wait to get
I have mine in a large cabinet this really helped with noise the bed heated up quicker thought still not quickly, keeps dust contained and I can be Shure no one blinds them selves.
Lead screws in industrial applications are leagues beyond belts in terms of accuracy and backlash. Although this only applies if you're using a proper ball lead screw, but actual, professional lead screws can easily be tuned up all the same. Looks like they ended up using acme screws, which aren't bad, as a sort of compromise on applications requiring strength, but it really comes down to what they are using to interface with the lead screw itself.
Bed temperatures on the big bed can be increase by insulating the bottom of the bed, several layers of aluminum foil are great for radiative barrier insulation.
Your usual wonderful objective review. Thank you!
Ooh! Are you planning a build video/series for the voron?
...im @0:38 and almost throwing money at the screen this looks amazing.
I have no words for this printer, only: it's the apple of 3d printer (because of the asthetic)
I considered buying a snapmaker but after doing research I decided to buy a dedicated 3d printer and a 3018 cnc/laser for less than half the price of the snapmaker.
Slap one of these in an enclosure made from acoustic ceiling tiles, add an OctoPi and an exhaust fan on some dryer flex tube, and you have an all-in-one that can live inside a small apartment. Which is one of the key situations where spending money this way makes sense, versus buying three cheaper systems, each of which is better at its job.
But if you have the space, use it!
In the absence of an automatic fire suppression system active during unmonitored operation, I would recommend using fire proof materials as the processes of which this machine is capable can produce potentially dangerous heat from removed workpiece material or from broken tooling.
The lack of any enclosure is disconcerting considering the use of both a class 4 laser, melted filament & live rotating tooling.
Safety is Job 1.
I'd be scared, that the threads for the build platform would wear out, from the removing and adding the screws many times...
They added steel inserts into the aluminum, so in that regard I wouldn't worry.
Great review it makes it easier for the decision if I will buy one or not in the future.
Those linear modules are really nice, but I just wonder how much extra rigidity they left on the table with that super spindly Y carriage. Replace that with a thicker plate of aluminum, and you'll probably get much more stability that the leadscrew drives shouldn't struggle with too much. Same goes with that spindle - that 50W spindle severely limits your performance and is probably the other major cause of all that chatter. If the hardware were open source, it'd be reasonable to replace those parts and make it way more capable, but in its current state it's far from worth it.
Been working on a design for one of these for a few years in my spare time. This looks like a good cots option
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