Thank you for shedding light on our people and our struggles, its so cool seeing my grandpa being apart of this and making real change and continuing those traditions through generations.
This was a fantastic documentary! I can't wait to see where you go from here (maybe "Dogs of the Union River"? I'll keep harassing you until this underdog tale comes to life!!!)
Tribes gill net lake Sammamish . Right at the mouth of the issaquah creek. So sad to see this. Gill netting can be beneficial in some areas, not all areas!
Can't tell you how many times I've tried explaining to folks about why the gillnets stretching most or nearly all the way across the inlet in Gorst is not a bad thing. They just don't understand a terminal fishery.
Very interesting content for locals and others, regardless of the divisive issues. Was it Gorst Creek that was used as a landfill in the old days, including Navy hazardous waste, which almost filled in the canyon it ran through? If so, was that further upstream from the hatchery?
@@hookedfishingpnw Minter creek is also supported by the Kitsap Poggie Club. If you’re local to Bremerton area, I’d encourage you to reach out to KitsapPoggieClub.com for more information
My only objection is the lethal nature of gill nets. If they used the type of net that wouldn’t indiscriminately kill ALL the fish it catches, sturgeon, bass, walleye, sockeye, etc. I wouldn’t be against its use. There are native tribes using non-lethal nets.
@@mchurch3905 Thank you for the feedback! Although bycatch is a very real concern with all catch methods, in this waterway, the species you listed are not found.
The real problem is they're using the gill nets all over Washington state inside the river's where ESA salmon and steelhead intermingle with hatchery fish. The Gorst creek Fishery is not the same as what's happening inside river and that's where my objection to gill nets is mostly focused.
@@markmcmyn8967 great question! The gravel layer in Gorst Creek is not conducive to Wild King (Chinook) spawning. As a result, Biologists have informed us that there never was a wild Chinook run in Gorst Creek. However, this creek system does support a robust Chum run in late October through November, and a very small wild Silver (Coho) run. Please note fishing is ALWAYS closed in Gorst Creek per WDFW regulations and is patrolled by their enforcement officers.
@@andrewwright13how come fishing is closed in so many creeks in Washington? I live near Lake Wenatchee and all the amazing creeks are closed to fishing. Not even catch and release. It’s a shame.
Gorst is a great area to do this. The Gorst Creek is an awesome fisher for the natives. The problem you forgot is to mention when the Natives drop the net blocking the entrance to Port Orchard Marina. The real problem is the tribe does not police their members who do really stupid things that irritate the general population. That hatchery is great and does a good job, it is a bonus to the whole area. The bad actors from the tribe are the ones making problems. Some bad actors give everyone a bad name. It usually is the guy with the sailboat front cut open with a chainsaw and a smoking 2 stroke barely running dropping the net blocking others from actual leaving the Marina. When I say the idiot blocked the Marina, I mean the idiot dropped roughly 10 yards off the entrance. Sorry but pulling a 40 footer into the Marina around that net does not work.
Fish coming from hatchery,how many of them have clipped adipose fin to be able to tell that they came from a hatchery versus when you don’t clip it? It seems to be a wild to most sport fisherman but yet you waive the wand over its head and they have the little tracker in them. There’s a lot of missed clip fish out there, and that means a lot of missed opportunities for a lot of people that fish. I do use the source of fishing to feed my family. I’ve put a lot of time and effort into doing this also. And I think people have problems with the gill netting just like they do in the Columbia river because Gil nets don’t discriminate what they catch and there’s a lot of bi catch from this, I know down there it’s sturgeon and other salmon that aren’t in season are the main bi catch. I also know that it’s a way of life for a lot of men who have lost that way.
@@Cbotham you make some good points. Through this project I learned the Suquamish fisheries department, with the coordination of automated clipping trailers from WDFW and hand clippers, aim to clip 80-90% of hatchery fish from this hatchery system. With over a million chinook being released, that’s a pretty good success rate. Personally, I too, as a recreational angler, would love to see it at 100% but perfection isn’t always achievable.
I forget the reason they don’t clip all the fish. I know it gives data for some studies. Norm would know if you asked him 😊. Usually it is a small portion not clipped from a hatchery.
@@tomdrews7400 they do it so white men must release their sport caught fish so that they can instead be caught in the nets. What else could possibly account for this? Think about it. Pretty much identicql to the fact that Democrats fight so hard against voter ID... why would someone scream and yell so much AGAINST voter ID?
So there was never a native run in Gorst? Or just King? That’s deceptive!! The gill nets don’t discriminate on what they kill!! Those damn nets are killing everything that swim there, not just the ones they farm!!
@@RexSkittles I like that this film got you thinking about the process. Salmon species do not all return to the creek at the same time. Gorst Creek receives a return of hatchery chinook salmon in the summer and a wild (native) run of Chum Salmon in the fall. That is why you see Suquamish anglers in Sinclair Inlet in the summer and not the fall.
I have photos of the same over in the Skok River of Hood Canal. I documented the gill nets left in the river, full of rotten Kings. It was found that they would pick enough Kings out of the net to be ablemto buy enough whiskey, coke and coke the forget to finish their work. This was 1984. These "noble fishermen" videos make me ill. I knew what I was goung to see as soon as I saw the "disclaimer" acknowledging that the natives own the heavens and earth while us white men are mere trespassers. Funny thing that the United States is the only nation on the planet that continues pay "reparations" to the warring nomads that once roamed and slaughtered each other here. How odd...
just another native fish farm it isn't a big deal. now the chehalis, on the otherhand, that river system should never be netted, yet they continue to allow it. Steelhead get caught and killed in them all the time and no one does anything, no one ever gets busted, as long as you're native. meanwhile back at the satsop, if you're a white twenty something out fishing, there will be a ranger with binoculars on you.
They sell the filets for very small dollar amounts. It is a waste most of the time. Your telling me there’s no natural spawners? That’s an excuse. Take the nets out for a year and let’s see the spawning numbers.
Plenty would come back, and perhaps less than 1% would spawn. Different salmon need different water to spawn in. Gorst Creek is very much not suitable for Chinook
I never dreamed gill netting was so beneficial! Why wouldn’t you encourage everyone to do it? I guess there’s an ancient tribal heritage of gill netting fish that were never there? Just think of the fisheries that would benefit from having gill netting available to everyone! We could have salmon runs in numbers similar to the days before anyone on the continent had invented a net (which they didn’t). I will be convinced gill netting is beneficial when I’m allowed to do it. Otherwise it’s just more “rules for thee, but not for me”.
We respect your right to have an opinion on this topic. However, none of the statements you attributed to this documentary were included in the film. We encourage you to watch it again to catch the intended message 😊
@andrewwright13 “There’s a time and a place for nets, and Gorst creek is a good one”. “The state supplied the fish, and the feed”. Then why can’t I gill net there?
@andrewwright13 I finished it twice and I heard how beneficial it was for recreational fishermen, but it never said I could gill net there, nor did it show any type of fishing other than gill netting. I don’t want to take away some people’s rights to gill net, I just want to be able to do it too! I’m sure some tribal members catch non-Gorst salmon with a rod and reel. Rules for thee, and not for me.
Thank you for making this video
Thank you for shedding light on our people and our struggles, its so cool seeing my grandpa being apart of this and making real change and continuing those traditions through generations.
Great video! I've been sport fishing PS for over forty years, and the tribes have been so important in preserving the fish for all of us.
Glad you are able to have it public now! Great work :)
Fascinating I want to learn more about bc's hatcheries thanks for posting this.
Thank you!
Thank You.
We love salmon!!!!! Let's goooo!!!
Very well done!
Beautifully done!
@@nataliegrace4081 thank you!
Ahh.. a fishers education course! I dig it :)
This was a fantastic documentary! I can't wait to see where you go from here (maybe "Dogs of the Union River"? I'll keep harassing you until this underdog tale comes to life!!!)
steel fire as always
Great video
Tribes gill net lake Sammamish . Right at the mouth of the issaquah creek. So sad to see this. Gill netting can be beneficial in some areas, not all areas!
All of those fish are from the Issaquah hatchery, not esa fish.
Can't tell you how many times I've tried explaining to folks about why the gillnets stretching most or nearly all the way across the inlet in Gorst is not a bad thing. They just don't understand a terminal fishery.
Very interesting content for locals and others, regardless of the divisive issues.
Was it Gorst Creek that was used as a landfill in the old days, including Navy hazardous waste, which almost filled in the canyon it ran through? If so, was that further upstream from the hatchery?
I would love to see a documentary just like this about minter creek. They have a run of wild coho so I’m wondering how they handle that?
@@hookedfishingpnw Minter creek is also supported by the Kitsap Poggie Club. If you’re local to Bremerton area, I’d encourage you to reach out to KitsapPoggieClub.com for more information
My only objection is the lethal nature of gill nets. If they used the type of net that wouldn’t indiscriminately kill ALL the fish it catches, sturgeon, bass, walleye, sockeye, etc. I wouldn’t be against its use. There are native tribes using non-lethal nets.
@@mchurch3905 Thank you for the feedback! Although bycatch is a very real concern with all catch methods, in this waterway, the species you listed are not found.
The real problem is they're using the gill nets all over Washington state inside the river's where ESA salmon and steelhead intermingle with hatchery fish. The Gorst creek Fishery is not the same as what's happening inside river and that's where my objection to gill nets is mostly focused.
What happened to the wild stocks?
@@markmcmyn8967 great question! The gravel layer in Gorst Creek is not conducive to Wild King (Chinook) spawning. As a result, Biologists have informed us that there never was a wild Chinook run in Gorst Creek.
However, this creek system does support a robust Chum run in late October through November, and a very small wild Silver (Coho) run.
Please note fishing is ALWAYS closed in Gorst Creek per WDFW regulations and is patrolled by their enforcement officers.
@@andrewwright13how come fishing is closed in so many creeks in Washington? I live near Lake Wenatchee and all the amazing creeks are closed to fishing. Not even catch and release. It’s a shame.
Gorst is a great area to do this. The Gorst Creek is an awesome fisher for the natives. The problem you forgot is to mention when the Natives drop the net blocking the entrance to Port Orchard Marina. The real problem is the tribe does not police their members who do really stupid things that irritate the general population. That hatchery is great and does a good job, it is a bonus to the whole area. The bad actors from the tribe are the ones making problems. Some bad actors give everyone a bad name. It usually is the guy with the sailboat front cut open with a chainsaw and a smoking 2 stroke barely running dropping the net blocking others from actual leaving the Marina. When I say the idiot blocked the Marina, I mean the idiot dropped roughly 10 yards off the entrance. Sorry but pulling a 40 footer into the Marina around that net does not work.
Fish coming from hatchery,how many of them have clipped adipose fin to be able to tell that they came from a hatchery versus when you don’t clip it? It seems to be a wild to most sport fisherman but yet you waive the wand over its head and they have the little tracker in them. There’s a lot of missed clip fish out there, and that means a lot of missed opportunities for a lot of people that fish. I do use the source of fishing to feed my family. I’ve put a lot of time and effort into doing this also. And I think people have problems with the gill netting just like they do in the Columbia river because Gil nets don’t discriminate what they catch and there’s a lot of bi catch from this, I know down there it’s sturgeon and other salmon that aren’t in season are the main bi catch. I also know that it’s a way of life for a lot of men who have lost that way.
@@Cbotham you make some good points. Through this project I learned the Suquamish fisheries department, with the coordination of automated clipping trailers from WDFW and hand clippers, aim to clip 80-90% of hatchery fish from this hatchery system. With over a million chinook being released, that’s a pretty good success rate.
Personally, I too, as a recreational angler, would love to see it at 100% but perfection isn’t always achievable.
I forget the reason they don’t clip all the fish. I know it gives data for some studies. Norm would know if you asked him 😊. Usually it is a small portion not clipped from a hatchery.
@@tomdrews7400 they do it so white men must release their sport caught fish so that they can instead be caught in the nets. What else could possibly account for this? Think about it.
Pretty much identicql to the fact that Democrats fight so hard against voter ID... why would someone scream and yell so much AGAINST voter ID?
So there was never a native run in Gorst? Or just King? That’s deceptive!! The gill nets don’t discriminate on what they kill!! Those damn nets are killing everything that swim there, not just the ones they farm!!
@@RexSkittles I like that this film got you thinking about the process. Salmon species do not all return to the creek at the same time. Gorst Creek receives a return of hatchery chinook salmon in the summer and a wild (native) run of Chum Salmon in the fall. That is why you see Suquamish anglers in Sinclair Inlet in the summer and not the fall.
I live here, I've seen those 8x8 crates of Salmon rot in the back yards full of rotten salmon and maggots, what a waste.
I have photos of the same over in the Skok River of Hood Canal. I documented the gill nets left in the river, full of rotten Kings. It was found that they would pick enough Kings out of the net to be ablemto buy enough whiskey, coke and coke the forget to finish their work. This was 1984.
These "noble fishermen" videos make me ill. I knew what I was goung to see as soon as I saw the "disclaimer" acknowledging that the natives own the heavens and earth while us white men are mere trespassers.
Funny thing that the United States is the only nation on the planet that continues pay "reparations" to the warring nomads that once roamed and slaughtered each other here. How odd...
@@atatterson6992 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
just another native fish farm it isn't a big deal. now the chehalis, on the otherhand, that river system should never be netted, yet they continue to allow it. Steelhead get caught and killed in them all the time and no one does anything, no one ever gets busted, as long as you're native. meanwhile back at the satsop, if you're a white twenty something out fishing, there will be a ranger with binoculars on you.
They sell the filets for very small dollar amounts. It is a waste most of the time. Your telling me there’s no natural spawners? That’s an excuse. Take the nets out for a year and let’s see the spawning numbers.
Plenty would come back, and perhaps less than 1% would spawn. Different salmon need different water to spawn in. Gorst Creek is very much not suitable for Chinook
I never dreamed gill netting was so beneficial! Why wouldn’t you encourage everyone to do it? I guess there’s an ancient tribal heritage of gill netting fish that were never there?
Just think of the fisheries that would benefit from having gill netting available to everyone! We could have salmon runs in numbers similar to the days before anyone on the continent had invented a net (which they didn’t).
I will be convinced gill netting is beneficial when I’m allowed to do it. Otherwise it’s just more “rules for thee, but not for me”.
We respect your right to have an opinion on this topic. However, none of the statements you attributed to this documentary were included in the film.
We encourage you to watch it again to catch the intended message 😊
@andrewwright13
“There’s a time and a place for nets, and Gorst creek is a good one”.
“The state supplied the fish, and the feed”.
Then why can’t I gill net there?
That’s just the beginning of the film. It’s worth finishing 👌
@andrewwright13
I finished it twice and I heard how beneficial it was for recreational fishermen, but it never said I could gill net there, nor did it show any type of fishing other than gill netting. I don’t want to take away some people’s rights to gill net, I just want to be able to do it too!
I’m sure some tribal members catch non-Gorst salmon with a rod and reel.
Rules for thee, and not for me.
Is that Tommy Lee jones?
@@richrobinson202 shoot me the minute timestamp so I can confirm 😂
@@andrewwright13 1:26
@@richrobinson202 we were not able to secure Tommy Lee Jones for this project
I sure hope these Chinook are not marked as wild. Hatchery zombie fish, disgusting.