Cheap Copy? OR Was DeTomaso's Pantera A Ferrari Slayer…

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  • The Italian Supercar reigned supreme in the 60s and 70s.. The Ferrari 308 was a sales success and DeTomaso offered something a little different in the Pantera by using US made Ford 5.8L Cleveland engines in its cars. As a result with 330hp they were fast and good value BUT was the Pantera a genuine alternative to the Ferrari 308 being offered at the same time?
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  • @Number27
    @Number27  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love these cars so much i went and bought a project one in Oaklahoma USA - check the video out! th-cam.com/video/-3eCUufZzX4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=p8r7YYF9UBt_iAkc

  • @Yorkyscott
    @Yorkyscott ปีที่แล้ว +197

    I think the styling of the early Pantera is about as good as it gets. Beautiful car.

    • @ronniewall492
      @ronniewall492 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      WOULD MAKE GOOD NAME FOR ROCK BAND

    • @briansharp4388
      @briansharp4388 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There are some designs that are just classic....

    • @JTA1961
      @JTA1961 ปีที่แล้ว

      Athefumen

    • @bfboobie
      @bfboobie ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Have always agreed with this, ever since I saw one as a little boy in the 80s. Pantera is the most badass car design ever. It is icing on the cake the awesome rock band shares the name.

    • @jimlee4583
      @jimlee4583 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      100% agree, how anyone can think any Ferrari ever looks as good/badass as the Pantera is mind blowing to me.

  • @richardwollocombe6793
    @richardwollocombe6793 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Thanks for the great video, Jack. As a narrow bodied Pantera owner myself, it’s really nice to see one reviewed by a British TH-cam channel. Another positive was your open minded approach to the car, as too many journalists in this country look down on the Pantera because it’s a hybrid, most having probably never even driven one. Good work and thank you 😊

    • @3ducs
      @3ducs ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The Cobras were hybrids, not too much sneering at those. Panteras are beautiful cars without the fussy Italian engines.

    • @stephenscholes4758
      @stephenscholes4758 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@3ducs You sound so American...those new-fangled OHC Euro engines!! Hilarious

    • @3ducs
      @3ducs ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@stephenscholes4758 My first car, back in 1967, was an Alfa Romeo Sprint. Many Alfas came after. Also an XK-E, XJ-S, Maserati Ghibli 4.7, BMW 535is, various Audis, and currently a '16 Mazda MX-5. So.... But at one time I lusted after a Cobra kit car so I guess I'm a hilarious American. And the 3Ducs name? The Ducatis I used to ride. Oh, and a MGB and a MG 1100. And a Rickman Metisse with a Royal Enfield 750 engine. Again, hilarious.

    • @RUfromthe40s
      @RUfromthe40s ปีที่แล้ว

      @@3ducs the AC´s you meant ,model cobra

    • @RUfromthe40s
      @RUfromthe40s ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@3ducs giulia sprint veloce?i had the real GTV from 76 a giulia sprint veloce, also a GT2000 veloce(as it said on the instruction manual only )from 72 ,was my everyday car till 96 ,the money i spent in gasoline would have been better invested in a testarossa

  • @stevesteve1965
    @stevesteve1965 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    I would absolutely have one of these (pre body kit) over a Ferrari.

    • @MarcSob22
      @MarcSob22 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      NEVER

    • @richardsellers8671
      @richardsellers8671 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@MarcSob22 Are you broken?

    • @bobmcl2406
      @bobmcl2406 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I quite agree. To me, these should be compared to V12 Ferraris, not to a 308.

    • @tkreitler
      @tkreitler ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Agree 100%. Ferrari, as a company, is not appealing at all. This particular Pantera is beautiful and it looks much better in my eye than the later version.

    • @stephenscholes4758
      @stephenscholes4758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tkreitlerYou probably prefer McDonald's over a Michelin Star accredited ? That's a good thing, the world is made up of many and varied 👏

  • @bobmcl2406
    @bobmcl2406 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Now THAT is a great looking Pantera! They looked so good before they started adding geegaws.

    • @igordewit7357
      @igordewit7357 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree...Thats why i think the eighties were mostly horrible.They certainly managed to f up this model.Luckily..this one is still beautiful.

    • @italianduded1161
      @italianduded1161 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think all Pantera look awesome.
      The GT5 is also beautiful but I get what ye mean

  • @m7dgz
    @m7dgz ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Just like with the early LP400 Countach, there is a beautiful purity and simplicity to these that the later versions lost by adding aggressive spoilers and wheel arch extensions.

    • @Assimilator1
      @Assimilator1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah, later Countachs looked much better, IMO of course! I was more of an 80s kid, so the wide arches etc appeal to me.

  • @SportsandGT
    @SportsandGT ปีที่แล้ว +40

    The early purer design beats the later body-kitted variants every time. A lovely noise too. Nice video Jack.

    • @RUfromthe40s
      @RUfromthe40s ปีที่แล้ว +1

      off course, the original always better and not noise but music

    • @georgescott632
      @georgescott632 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bought my 1972 Pantera in June of 1998, best thing I ever did/ when I was single it was worth a hookup every week if I wanted to pursue it. also not many cars could keep up with it if any corners were involved! Will be back on the road by middle of December after 25 years! having a hard time waiting for the restoration! thanks to my great friend David Dodeck!

    • @georgescott632
      @georgescott632 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most fun car I have ever driven! Barr none! also have a 1969 Boss 302 Mustang. Can't compare to the Pantera!

    • @RUfromthe40s
      @RUfromthe40s ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgescott632i also had a boss , mint condition in 1977 but ,only recentelly by watching discovery channel i knew they were sold under the brand Ford ,i´m a fan of DeTomaso cars, i own only two but none is the pantera ,i also refer seeing on tv the band Cars from Ric Ocasek ,drummer owns a DeTomaso mangusto wich was released as a joke to the AC Cobras with Ford v8 engines by Carol Shelby( cobra means, snake and the mangusto is a litle animal that eats snakes(english) or cobras(spanish or portuguese) ) it was released in 1969 being a cobra killer, and i had a mustang fastback from 70 but with a 69 front grill adapted with a 7.0L engine and two big lights extra in the front ,bigger than those seen on the boss model and i had to choose ,couldn´t keep a lot of U.S. muscle cars and i kept the mercury cougar rx-7 7.0L engine released by Ford and two pontiacs the grandprix convertible, and the coupé Lemans i think both are from 67, regards

  • @davebarron5939
    @davebarron5939 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Always loved the Pantera, and that glorious V8 sound! Heavy Growl, not a scream!

  • @lesbrook
    @lesbrook ปีที่แล้ว +20

    So glad you tested this car, I think the earlier Pantera along with the original Ferrari Boxer is one of the most beautiful cars ever.

  • @TheManFrayBentos
    @TheManFrayBentos ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was lucky enough to get a drive in a Pantera when I worked at a Ford dealership in 1977. The car was in for replacement big end and main bearings, as it seemed to be fitted with a lemon engine made on a bad Monday at the Ford plant. Given that this was the second time the car had been in, the garage owner insisted on myself and one other running it in carefully before handing it back to the owner.
    I couldn't give it any welly, of course. God, I was dying to, but it was marvellous anyway.

  • @aussieausdeutschland4245
    @aussieausdeutschland4245 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The 351 that De Tomaso sourced from Ford was the Australian cast and assembled Cleveland right up until the boys in the Geelong foundry stopped casting them approximately 1989/90 and that was exclusively for De Tomaso as the Falcon stopped getting the V8 option in 1984 and the Brisbane assembled F trucks got Windsor's direct from the states.

  • @richardsmith9509
    @richardsmith9509 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    What a beautiful car: fast, gorgeous and yet totally the delightful car it was intended to be. Gorgeous restoration too

  • @timgosling6189
    @timgosling6189 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I really like the early Panteras. As with many cars the first are often the purest, and you can see how this, Bora, gt4 and Urraco all reflect the style of their time. Bring the detailing up to date and it would look fresh if you launched it tomorrow.

    • @zloychechen5150
      @zloychechen5150 ปีที่แล้ว

      i don't like it when they start putting skirts, moldings, spoilers and all sorts of other plastic shit on cars to make them more modern. i find that things like the w124 and w126 mercs are most attractive in their earliest guises. also, the original diablo is the prettiest, in my mind. not true for any car of course.

    • @Assimilator1
      @Assimilator1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Personally I prefer the look of the later wide bodied cars, they look more purposeful and aggressive, but each to their own.🙂

  • @danmoreton1788
    @danmoreton1788 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    When the Pantera first came out I was in the market for a new car. I knew every fact and feature of this car. On a daily basis I tried to sell the the idea of this car to my wife. The price was $9,999. A bargain I told my wife. Just when I thought I had convinced her, she turn her head toward me and said where will the new baby fit in this car? We bought a Chevy Nova!!! Whenever I think of a Pantera I feel just a little bit sad

    • @chadhaire1711
      @chadhaire1711 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      $9,999 plus $20,000 to keep it running every year...that could buy a lots of Chevy...

    • @gavinvalentino6002
      @gavinvalentino6002 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chad, you're a dork.
      Make up a ridiculous figure and then use ellipsis incorrectly, searching for validation and approval.
      Wow.

    • @chadhaire1711
      @chadhaire1711 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Fat Albert Okay fatty

    • @Pantdino
      @Pantdino ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@chadhaire1711 Totally not true. Ford engine, solid German transaxle. Dirt cheap to keep running.

    • @chadhaire1711
      @chadhaire1711 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pantdino You have zero idea what you are talking about Gomer.....the first year these came out at $10,000 retail, many owners had to put another $10,000 to keep them running.....suspension, electrics, body parts....there were and still are money pits that were never made to be driven, just a kit car made to be shown. They sell today for $80,000++ because most of them had that much spent keeping them in one piece. Stick to your airplane videos Gomer, you don't know crap about the Pantera.

  • @hmr171
    @hmr171 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks for this video. It brings back some good memories of my childhood in the 70's. I played ice hockey as a kid in the 🇺🇸 and our coach had one of these he had bought new. It was an early car and I used to drool over it when visiting his house. One day, my father wasn't able to take me to a game, so I got a ride from our coach. I still remember my father telling him that he had made my day when he pulled into our driveway in that red Pantera. I remember we went over 100 mph on the way. I was probably about 11 years old at the time.

  • @rieskorin2027
    @rieskorin2027 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Yes there is no glass in the deck lid port but there should be a panel that joins the two small side panels and covers over the air filter. Once the deck lid is shut, none of the engine is exposed. We are able to do left hand drive, dropped floor conversions as well as moving pedal boxes and shifting alternators and AC pump positions on the engine to allow reworking of the firewall centre bulge for the tall driver. All the above was done to a group four replica as well as powered steering. So glad you like the Panteras, they are a real statement 👍

  • @chriswalford9228
    @chriswalford9228 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1974 boss I worked for drove stags he had 3 in as many months all different colours. Anyway he had a young entrepreneur friend in London who had a DeTomaso . Sometimes the guy would fly his helicopter down to visit and land it between two cars on the car park. But sometimes he would drive the car down. It's a long time ago and I could be wrong but I seem to recall being told the tyres were about £250 each ( I bought a Yamaha RD250 in 1975 new about £350) so a tyre and a half .

  • @todd2386
    @todd2386 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The pantera is superior in maintanance costs alone! And is a beautiful car overall

    • @chadhaire1711
      @chadhaire1711 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahaha wrong.....first year was $10K to buy , and many owners spent $20K the next year keeping them running and doing mods to keep them running longer.......

  • @douglorimer5985
    @douglorimer5985 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bill Eliot, at talladega in 85 set an unbelievable record with the 351 Cleveland. A record that will never be beat.anyone thats had 1 of these engine's loves them. Detomoso made a wise choice, love these cars.

  • @AntoniusTyas
    @AntoniusTyas ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You can almost feel the torque through the video. If I got the money I would love to have a DeTomaso in my garage. They're unique, and not many people knew DeTomaso.

  • @russellhammond4373
    @russellhammond4373 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Love a tickled Ford V8 (I'm used to them living in Australia throughout the Pantera's life). Keep up the great work Jack.

  • @lightinabox6931
    @lightinabox6931 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a vintage RC De Tomaso Mangusta that belonged to my dad, it says it's from 1976 under it. Made me obsessed with the cars since I played with that when I was very young.

  • @otsef1946
    @otsef1946 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I've always been a fan of these car's. They look great in black, however any colour would do 😁

  • @strat0871
    @strat0871 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've always loved these narrow bodies Panteras, thanks.

  • @federicomalignani4957
    @federicomalignani4957 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Third De Tomaso in a few months on your channel....And for the third time I am telling you that Alejandro De Tomaso was a genius. Maybe with a bad character but with an immense knowledge of cars. He made this masterpiece,that was a piece of pure craftmanship,hand made and with a simple big american engine. Every time that somebody used american engines on european sports cars had sensational results: think to Jensen,Iso Rivolta,Bizzarrini,Intermeccanica,Monteverdi and De Tomaso of course. They are the right cars for that engines,and even if probably an Aston Martin,a Jaguar,a Ferrari,a Maserati or a Lamborghini are more intriguing with their home made engines,they are nothing less,they are simple and their sound is great. Bigger capacity,more torque,for cars that were easier to drive and with european standards in agility,road holding and brakes. I don't know if this thing is better than a contemporary Ferrari 308,or BB,or Maserati Bora,but certainly is not worse and cheaper to mantain. This is a car to buy before is too late. They are growing up in price but they are still a bargain if we compare them to Ferrari,Lamborghini and Maserati values. This Pantera is beautiful,but if it is an early Pantera L I think it should have a different interior trim,with plain leather on the door panels and without wood trim,that was adopted when De Tomaso aquired Maserati (infact the wood was the same,Saturday I was driving my Biturbo S and the veneer is identical).But this is a gem and I also prefer this interior than the basic one of the first Panteras (that also had an horrible american style steering wheel). Bravissimo Giacomo,ci fai sognare!!

    • @RUfromthe40s
      @RUfromthe40s ปีที่แล้ว

      already too late ,today old cars are sold by prices that one feels sick because one sold them for 1/10 of the price some years ago. But DeTomaso as other models ,like the mangusto (the cobra or snake eater,because of the AC´s bought by carrol shelby )also coupés ,sedan type and litle cars very good looking and Powerfull. It is rare and expensive to buy today a DeTomaso

    • @kingalfred3902
      @kingalfred3902 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All those european cars with their massive american v8 engines....??.
      Where are they today..???..all of them dissapeared from the motoring scene...!!!!....nowhere to be found...gone...!!!.where are Ferrari today ..??..
      We all know that answer right..???
      ON TOP.....!!!!!.....Forza. FERRARI.!!!!!

    • @federicomalignani4957
      @federicomalignani4957 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kingalfred3902 Dear King Alfred,I agree with you because I own two old Ferraris,a V8 and a V12,but honestly I must admit that those american V8 cars were very good and really were an alternative to Ferraris.Obviously not with the same appeal,not with the same history,but they were much easier to mantain and to drive.Where are they today? Try to buy an Iso Rivolta Grifo or a Bizzarrini 5300 Gt Strada,or even a De Tomaso Mangusta and see the prices. There they are,more or less with the values of a Ferrari.

    • @williamwilliam5066
      @williamwilliam5066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think you told us five times.

    • @pex_the_unalivedrunk6785
      @pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 ปีที่แล้ว

      Genius!? He designed the pedal box to only be operable by a professional ballerina. Toes together, knees out! And Dance! LoL! Jk....I love his designs, the guy didn't even need a wind tunnel to figure out drag coefficient... genius indeed.

  • @stankygeorge
    @stankygeorge ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The reason DeTomaso made the rear look so goood, is because, that is all any other driver is ever going to see of the Pantera!
    People talk horsepower, but it is torque they love!
    The Ford GT40 kicked Ferrari's a*s at LeMans and elsewhere, the Pantera kicked Ferrari's a*s on the street because the Pantera is the Ford GT40 in street form.
    You know it is American when you can hot rod it in your backyard and its value goes up!
    Great review!~

  • @floatingonairandwater
    @floatingonairandwater ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For me both of the Panteras you’ve covered are beautiful.

  • @commonasmuck1234
    @commonasmuck1234 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Your camera work and editing have gone up several notches with this video. Great stuff! Wonderful car.

  • @ilovebutterstuff
    @ilovebutterstuff ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've wanted a Pantera since I was 12.
    I'd describe it as if a supercar and a muscle car had a baby that grew up to be a star wide receiver for the NFL.

  • @NigelMarston
    @NigelMarston ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best looking cars ever, especially sat on higher profile tyres. Looks just right.

  • @KindredAutomotive
    @KindredAutomotive ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Years ago I was instructing for a Ferrari Club track day here in the states and my student had a Pantera he received as a graduation gift 30 years ago. I absolutely loved hearing the story of the car and some of his adventures through the years.
    He let me take it out for a session and it certainly was an experience. Anything over 10% throttle exiting a low speed turn was nearly instant spin but over 40mph it was really planted and lots of fun to drive.
    I think the best part though was the fact that he was a true car enthusiast and loved sharing that with others.
    That’s been my experience with the handful of other owners I’ve met, something that I can’t always say about other brands. 🙃

  • @512bb
    @512bb ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As I stated on your GT5 video I've owned my Pantera for 37 years. At the same time I have had or spent a fair amount of time with it's contemporaries. As I have always had an on going battle between my heart vs my head, the truth is torque is what moves you on the street. My heart loves the hi reving race track inspired engine but torque is king on the street, a manual Porsche GT3, pure magic but the turbo rules for every day street work. It's hard to compare a Pantera to any Ferrari, a Bora, Jalpa or Countach would be closer but you can pound all day long on the Pantera without worry. Although not as comfortable as the lounge seating of a Bora, you don't have to deal with the complex Citron hydraulic system of the Bora. The Countach, iconic but a real workout to drive. I absolutely love the 512 BB but Ferraris are just to finicky to live with. With the exception of a modern day computer super car there is nearly no limit on the performance potential of a Pantera. They only produced the 351C for 5 years so a real lack of development work than a chevy sb, The 4V heads were just too big for the street which is the reason the ZF came with a 4:22 final drive ( literally no 1st gear) So much head development has been done over the years for the Cleveland, so many ring & pinion options available that the sky is the limit. I am currently building an all aluminum Cleveland stroked to 427 ci producing a very drivable 625 HP, ( plenty more depending on how much drivability you are willing to sacrifice) . Replacing the 4:22's with 3:30"s & it will operate smoothly from 1500-6500 rpm without the headaches & expense of an exotic. In the end, the Pantera is capable of true super car performance without the extreme expense of it's exotic brethren's. Terrific comments from the viewers, hope some found this helpful if the Pantera is on your short list.

    • @georgescott632
      @georgescott632 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why not put twin turbo's on the Clevland? Horsepower is unlimited! Would even scare the devil!

    • @512bb
      @512bb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgescott632 Well, I much prefer a naturally aspirated motor to turbochargers. It seems the young guys are obsessed with hugh HP figures, again torque is what you want on the street. As I have no issues with over heating, it really dosen't make sense to pack a mid engine compartment with something that produces so much extra heat.

    • @nickpetty3035
      @nickpetty3035 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is quite a lot different on the later cars built after 1980, the floor is slightly lower, and the inner wings that encase the engine compartment are fabricated out of flat sheet steel, unlike the early cars pressed panels, they also appear to stand up to rust a lot better, I had a 1982 GTS (without the flared arches), it is without dought the one car I regret selling, everything that Jack says about them is spot on, they are a pleasure to live with!!!!

  • @imaweerascal
    @imaweerascal ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't know what it is about the styling of the Pantera that I love so much - it doesn't have the beauty or balance of the 308, but for me, there is something just so *right* about those proportions. In many ways it's a much more modern-looking car: it wouldn't look out of place as a design from a future Mad Max movie. It's brutal but also delicate :)

  • @zahemi914
    @zahemi914 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to dream of this car as a kid in the early 80s, so astonishing even now

  • @beatglauser9444
    @beatglauser9444 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was never really a fan of the De Tomaso Pantera, but the older models were actually good looking! Like a good wine they get better with age.

  • @roadie3124
    @roadie3124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really like the early Panteras. I first saw one in a UK car magazine around 1972, I think. Then I saw one badged as a Ford Pantera in a car dealership in Detroit.

  • @tallstrom
    @tallstrom ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for the great review(s)! Such a beautiful Pantera which would IMO look even better with 225/50r15 and 285/50r15 Pirellis :)

  • @dadcars
    @dadcars ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve started to love the early, no bells and whistles car designs. The early esprit, countach etc, same can be said with this although the later ones are awesome fun looking things, I never realised their values though! 🤯

  • @noneed4me2n7
    @noneed4me2n7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These were common enough when I was a teen in the 80s. Car shows and working in the auto industry made these a neat thing to see pop up and listen to the owners tell their story.

  • @PortugalCarp
    @PortugalCarp ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a car! I've always liked DeTomasos, they always seemed to be left fielders compared to the rest of the Italian cars. Mind you, those Panteras do look as if someone has slapped the front end of a Ferrari and the rear end of a Lamborghini together lol. Thanks for posting.

  • @butterfliesandtape
    @butterfliesandtape ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Always seemed to me that the appeal of the de Tomasos was that tuning was definitely not frowned upon and positively encouraged amongst the owners club here in the UK, at least in the 90s. Nowadays with originality being key that attitude may have changed. Great vid. 3 days with a Pantera. You lucky lucky chap!

  • @TheHomeExpert5
    @TheHomeExpert5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You know, I love the Ferrari gt4. The wedge shape is one of my favorites of all time and the echo in the c-pillar of the window is spectacular.

  • @patrickhostler5939
    @patrickhostler5939 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    One of the (many) things I love about the Pantera, is the American sourced engine. They are brutal, largely bulletproof BUT relatively simple to maintain. Ferrari’s on the other hand seem to be fragile and pedantic with high maintenance costs. As much as I like the look of the Ferrari’s watching yours and especially JM’s films I could never contemplate ownership…

    • @stephenscholes4758
      @stephenscholes4758 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Absolute rubbish. Ferrari V12's were designed to last 24 hours of LeMans....which they did with regularity, stretching back to the late-1940s. When pushrod pickup truck v8 's went there ...THEY were the fragile ones...it took a massive and understressed 7 litre Ford to finally win anything. (Ferrari owners don't have to worry about maintenance costs...)

    • @tkreitler
      @tkreitler ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@stephenscholes4758 "Ferrari owners don't have to worry about maintenance costs" Really?

    • @stephenscholes4758
      @stephenscholes4758 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tkreitler High income earners 👍

    • @kingalfred3902
      @kingalfred3902 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To own a Ferrari....you must first be able to AFFORD one..!!!..ok..??

    • @kingalfred3902
      @kingalfred3902 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tkreitler yes..!!!..because they can afford it.....please stick to your pre historic 10 ton cast iron.....engined....American engines.....the rest of us will savour the technical marvels of the european car manufacturers
      .
      American

  • @judih.8754
    @judih.8754 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even with lower HP you still have the torque of that Ford V-8! What a wonderful exotic!

  • @jeandibb4111
    @jeandibb4111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautifully restored and modded example. Sounds fab too. Thanks Jack

  • @grayfool
    @grayfool ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The early models is so much better looking than the wide bodied cars. They are just too in your face for me. You could really have fun with the mods for the engine too. Nice.

  • @MrCarrera28
    @MrCarrera28 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video of one of my all time favourite cars!!

  • @TaiChiWithRon
    @TaiChiWithRon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the Pantera!! When I was ten years old I used to ride my bike over to the Lincoln dealership and walk around the Pantera’s and dream.

  • @canucklehead0
    @canucklehead0 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fantastic video, Jack!!! I think I already commented about seeing a Pantera for the first time in your previous episode, but truly they are my favourite car of that era. The cars from 71-73 did suffer a bit from assembly issues but most were sorted under the Ford Warranty. The DeTomaso club is very good and you can get tips on repairs, upgrades, parts and history. I have always fancied the first cars from 71-73 the narrow bodied cars, there is just something in the Ghia design that I find very alluring. Living in Canada, if I were to seriously wish to put an exotic car in my garage it would be the Pantera. The reliability of the Ford lump, the cost of fixing, parts and of course insurance compared to the Ferrari 308 (Which I still think is possibly the best looking car ever designed after the E-Type Jaguar) is noticeably less expensive. I have had the opportunity to drive a 1973 Pantera and then a year later a hard top Ferrari Mondial and if I'm honest the Ferrari rode better, but in terms of handling the Pantera hands down was far more willing in the corners to stick and grip through the bend than the Mondial was. The DeTomaso was much quicker, or at least felt faster than the Ferrari, and if you wanted to use the cars as GT cars the Pantera had more luggage room with the rear liner in and the frunk than the Ferrari, even though the Mondial has a back seat. Yes I'm a big DeTomaso fan, but I still love Ferrari, the 308 based 288 GTO has to be my favourite car of the 80's and the ultimate version of the 308 platform, and Jack I would love to see you get your mitts on one of those cars!! Cheers - Dave

  • @martinhogg5337
    @martinhogg5337 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another great review, really interesting stuff! Great looking car which has been nicely restored. Can’t get enough of these videos!

  • @Niex_Knox
    @Niex_Knox ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Gorgeous design. I like it much better than the 308. I thought so as a kid so I know its true 😉

  • @charleskeisler716
    @charleskeisler716 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The detassimo Pantera has a design that does not grow old and the only problem they had when they came out with overheating problems because of the long radiator hoses, it's just a very light car with a lot of horsepower in the back end, a car that was ahead of its time when it was made.

  • @MichaelKirbyMusic86
    @MichaelKirbyMusic86 ปีที่แล้ว

    My gosh that sounds great! Love the wood on the dash too! Didn't know the Pantera had a gated shifter, all looks great!

  • @johangenade9314
    @johangenade9314 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    did not realize they look so close to a Maserati Merak, good review, thanks Jack !

  • @matslundstrom7763
    @matslundstrom7763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me and my girlfried, at that time, were considering buying a Panthera in the late eighties. We were in our early twenties and a decent Panthra were 10000 pounds here in Sweden.
    Panteras are designed by Tom Tjaarda. One of my favorite designers, who has also done the original 124 Spider, Ferrari 330 GT 2+2 and the first Ford Fiesta.

  • @johnireland1629
    @johnireland1629 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great impression of the car. More interesting than I imagined. I have heard that they have overheating issues, but apparently not in the UK, compared to Texas or Arizona. Keep driving all these different cars.

  • @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
    @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God damn I love those, I love pretty much everything De Tomaso did. I want a Pantera and a Deauville in my life so bad. I have to have one of each.

  • @jibbyjabby7499
    @jibbyjabby7499 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such a cool car and design.

  • @SoPacifx64
    @SoPacifx64 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video👍👍👍
    Always thought these were a lot closer to the Lamborghini Jalpa instead of the daintier 308s of the period.

  • @chir0pter
    @chir0pter ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love those Campagnolo wheels. Overall the Pantera looks way better than the 308, which along with the 328 honestly always looked kinda frumpy to me unless dressed up in an aero kit

  • @chedhead3278
    @chedhead3278 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Jack, that looks and sounds fantastic.

  • @malcolmhardwick4258
    @malcolmhardwick4258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are really spoiling us with these cool cars. Yeah I would have one of these over the 308 !

  • @dantheman7357
    @dantheman7357 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hello Jack, I was not a fan of the Pantera before. I thought it was crude and all about the big V/8 engine with vibrations and noise etc. But...........thanks to the level headed and fair review by Jack I now have a more balanced opinion of the Pantera. Thats one of the reasons I love your channel, it brings me fair comments about some great and not-so-great cars. Please keep the content coming. Thanks once again.

  • @daveshongkongchinachannel
    @daveshongkongchinachannel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nice example. I definitely prefer the looks of this earlier model.

  • @spartanp2064
    @spartanp2064 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I owned both a 308QV and Pantera until last year. I sold the 308 and kept the Pantera. While I enjoyed the 308 I always felt it couldn’t handle turns with confidence due tot he high center of gravity with the engine. The Ferrari is a pretty car but the Pantera is a handsome car if that make sense. Totally agree the front looks unfinished. Interestingly people I meet love the Pantera as I think it has grown in popularity. Thanks for the great video.

  • @gordonkachuk5457
    @gordonkachuk5457 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In 1973 while living in Toronto I was at the De Tomaso/Ferrari dealership and I recall very clearly the pricing of the Pantera at C$9,999.00 and that of the Ferrari Dino 246 at C$16,500.00. The 308 was't out yet. Sadly I had to settle for an Alfa Romeo 2000GTV for C$6,950.00. But in the end one of the most exciting driver cars, great manners and pretty quick.

  • @baasbowing
    @baasbowing ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Jack!
    But I really miss your DIY content, where you tackle multiple problems on ‘ordinary’ every day cars, or your 308, or Lotus etc. Hope to see more of that in the future.

  • @goldbeachsurfer
    @goldbeachsurfer ปีที่แล้ว

    My neighbor down the street from me has a black one, definitely a unique unmistakable sound when he drives by.

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video. Thank you for covering cars I've only seen in books and Gran Turismo. Keep up the good work.

  • @zahimiibrahim3602
    @zahimiibrahim3602 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, I really enjoyed that. The early Pantera was my ultimate fantasy car as a schoolboy, American muscle car with Italian style and handling all rolled into one, muscular and modern even today while the Ferrari looked dainty and dated to me even then. Not a fan of the later widebody versions though.

  • @bombakdik
    @bombakdik ปีที่แล้ว

    What a lovely review.
    Just a very small tip that I would love a lot is that when you give an overview of the interior and its instruments, to do it a bit slower. I am always fascinate by the fonts and types of dials that are being used in classic cars.
    Very nice video, I truly enjoyed it.
    Cheers from Belgium!

  • @EliteRock
    @EliteRock ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The front end is interesting in that the bevelled off nose needed practically no modification at all for the big US bumpers mandated later in the 70's, almost as if the designer had fore-knowledge that they were coming.

  • @nigelbullock9039
    @nigelbullock9039 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glorious car, great review Jack. Nearest I got to that car was one in my Matchbox set which I have recently found after hiding away for 40 years...

  • @isaacsrandomvideos667
    @isaacsrandomvideos667 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a gorgeous car. One of my all time favourites. Especially the GT5/GTS
    I love the 308 and 288 too.
    Has a lovely interior too

  • @1sostatic
    @1sostatic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love this version of the Pantera - Tom Tjaada is a complete genius. The unmistable sound of a 351 Cleve that exists in my Mustangs.

  • @paulb9015
    @paulb9015 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beautiful car.

  • @jeffreyrwilliams9345
    @jeffreyrwilliams9345 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm a Yank, never had a problem with looks, proportions

  • @joshuaanothereraseddad
    @joshuaanothereraseddad ปีที่แล้ว

    The Pantera always reminded me of an updated Miura. Both of which are quite stellar looking automobiles.

  • @rudolfabelin383
    @rudolfabelin383 ปีที่แล้ว

    A big thanks to Marc!
    Greetings from Sweden.

  • @thomasr.6807
    @thomasr.6807 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love all the chrome being blacked. I know it is not origianal, but I love that look. Styling-wise, DeTomaso is like a cross between Magnum PI's car and The General Lee.

  • @christophertaylor9100
    @christophertaylor9100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone in my home town had a Pantera and it was so gorgeous to see driving around.

  • @siriannacortanesca238
    @siriannacortanesca238 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Pantera seems like Ferrari BB had a love child with a Mustang Mach 1, born in Italy but grew up in Detroit. I love the Pantera.
    Thanks for you review.

  • @lensman5762
    @lensman5762 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to see one of these, in and around Manchester in 1975 and 1976. I was in a Tech College doing my A-levels then, and I was into cars ( car magazines rather). It looked menacing and sounded awesome. The only other one that I knew about ' belonged ' to a character called Gavin Rumsey, played by the late Lewis Collins, He was the lodger at the home of a couple. The wife character was palyed by the beautiful Diane Keen. I think it was called Cukoo Waltz which was made by Granada TV in Manchester. This brought back memories. Thank you.

  • @sportfuryman
    @sportfuryman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    truly one of the most beautiful cars ever made

  • @waynefontaine5533
    @waynefontaine5533 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Beautiful car, one of my dream cars actually, and with that Ford 351 Cleveland, arguably the most tunable small block ever built, I'd have too much fun beatin up on camaros and firechickens with this badass little rig...🤘🏻🇺🇸

    • @georgescott632
      @georgescott632 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robbiddlecombe8392 Ford guy and Pantera owner from the 60"s, you don't know what you are talking about!

  • @scottjohnson4319
    @scottjohnson4319 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work Jack and thanks for working so hard to bring us these different cars. As for looks I'd have the 308 every time but to live with the choice isn't so simple.

  • @kevinp3550
    @kevinp3550 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This car came out when I was in high school, hooking me on sports cars for life. I knew two fellows who owned them, they faced all kinds of cars, and both claimed that these cars wanted to lift off at high speed. Now I'm referring to American cars, so....
    Thanks for your reviews, I've enjoyed every one! A few requests: Bora, Merak, Daytona, and last but not least, the gorgeous Dino 246. Grazie!

  • @nealkeith299
    @nealkeith299 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Jack, I really enjoy your videos. You have similar tastes as myself, very eclectic. I've owned over 200 different vehicles including the obligatory Alfas, a V12 Ferrari, multiple Porsches, BMWs, Lotus, Corvette, lots of American muscle cars and trucks. Keep up the good work! Thanks.

  • @mikeroper3437
    @mikeroper3437 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think that looks much nicer than a 308. Also looks better than the later cars.

  • @johnandrews3568
    @johnandrews3568 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like the original LP400, the early pre-body kit panteras were waaaay nicer than the later body kitted out versions. To this Canadian boy in the 70s, the Pantera was every bit as cool as a 308, in looks... but way better in grunt.

  • @eze8970
    @eze8970 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All Panteras look good, admit it Jack, you're tempted! 🙏🙏

  • @DieTabbi
    @DieTabbi ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my favorite car from my childhood. Found in every Quartett game

  • @jeffreyrwilliams9345
    @jeffreyrwilliams9345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a 68 yo Yank, the Pantera stood shoulder to shoulder with the worlds best, plugging a detroit v 8 into a european rolling chassis always improves. AC Cobra, Ford GT 40, MGB GT v 8

  • @jasonrivers7518
    @jasonrivers7518 ปีที่แล้ว

    You'd like my friends' DTP, Jack.
    He mothballed the original engine and endowed it with it a 5.8 Windsor with Cleveland heads, a pair of IHI superchargers, feeding through a four-barrel TBI, and Nitrous oxide injection.
    I talked him out of a second stage of nitrous, on the grounds that my chassis dyno was only rated to 1000hp.

  • @lovetherockies6080
    @lovetherockies6080 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great sound from the exhaust

  • @williamwidhelm2136
    @williamwidhelm2136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I worked for Ford in 1972-75 in Product Planning. My company car was a '73L followed by a '74. This was when the speed limit was 55 mph. Frankly they were not that much fun to drive at 55 in the city. The controls were kind of heavy and mine struggled to hit 145 mph., my previous car was an E Type which hit 150 easily. Lots of noise and vibration but all that was part of the fun. I gave Farrah Fawcett a ride to her hotel after an ad shoot. She didn't seem that impressed.

  • @shmac96
    @shmac96 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm new here. Wow! Great review on such a underdog brand! I remember seeing one in a Dupont Registry magazine as a kid and I was blown away by their looks. Like you said they have something the Ferraris dont. I enjoyed your presentation and style! Thank you!

  • @luiscarlosvieira3966
    @luiscarlosvieira3966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This car has that "special" looks of legends...Apperantly, De Tomaso saw a Stratus and thought "If Ferrari had made the Stratus... how it would be?"... and made it...

  • @BanjoLuke1
    @BanjoLuke1 ปีที่แล้ว

    This gem came from the pen of Tom Tjaarda. In the metal, they look simply lovely. Those if us born in the early '60s knew the de Tomaso name from our Matchbox Mangustas. This was an almost-perfect fusion of Italian style and cheap, effective US muscle. I saw an early car on the road about a year ago. Far, far more visually arresting than the odd, bulbous kit-car wannabe monstrosities that wore the same name in later years. This is the one to covet. I've never driven one, but it has brightened my day whenever I've seen or heard one. Sadly even rarer now than they once were. Good video, thank you.

  • @klubstompers
    @klubstompers ปีที่แล้ว

    The best view of that Pantera, is underneath in the rear end looking up at the control arms, sway bar, and shocks, rear cradle, which is just incredible. The one i saw, was all polished billet, lust like the engine and tranny.