Thank you guys for all the love during the stream and for being an inspiration to my future art! I hope this long form discussion wasn't too much for y'all- I'll add some timestamps to make it easier to skip around. I'd really appreciate some suggestions of specific topics you'd like to hear about so that I can find some direction for more focused and digestible videos to work on next!
The way you use the haas effect on the snares is how I prosess my kicks(!) making them wide. But you have to be careful and make sure they collapse nicely in mono. Im using a short stereo delay from NI guitar rig and parallel processing. How would you process your kick to get them wide and still sound good mono?
Chuck! Checking out the archive I see ;) Well, great question. Right off the bat, I'll say that I'm more careful now than I was then with the haas' effect on mono compatibility. So I'll rarely throw on the delay trick and call it a day. I'm more likely to fine tune the stereo width with something like the multiband izotope imager. On top of that, I try to use wideners that aim to maintain mono compatibility. For example, "Wider" from Infected Mushroom/Polyverse. I'm curious about what kind of effect you're getting on those kicks! I generally stick to the "bass in mono" rule of thumb for super low stuff. Maybe 80hz and lower, but depends on the scenario. That's where a multiband imager comes in- allowing you to keep the weight in mono and push out the click and some mids farther out to the sides. In case you don't already use something like this, a great place to start is this tut on making your own MB imager for free (I'll link it in another comment). Aside from that, you could get more experimental and do some parallel processing to your kicks (or 808s or other drums) to create more interesting stuff for the side bands, and leave the dry(er) signal in mono to keep the weight there. For example, create two chains on your kick channel, one in mono and one widened out to your liking. On the wide chain, you could distort, tape delay, compress, reverb, or whatever other experiments you want to run. Then EQ out most of the sub of the side band, and mix the mono signal in to your liking. This way you make sure theres some meat holding it down in the center. Same goes for the snare, where I sometimes use a more interesting sample for the wide info and keep a meaty one in the center.
th-cam.com/video/w40r8I2ZyOY/w-d-xo.html I still use this as my MB imager but have been thinking about buying the full one just for a smoother UI experience. If you go for this, keep in mind that you're going to want to adjust those threshold frequencies on each band to learn where you want the cutoffs for each sound you're using it for.
@@AlmostHomeSounds I dont like that rule at all :D Who listen to music on mono devices in 2021? I know my stuff will get played on stereo devices and I am therefor aiming at making that experience as good as possible, without being too bad in mono. I mean when Dr Dre does it, I think it is okay for me to do it ;) I have Wider, but I dont use it on kicks, because of the lack of control. I use the native instrument guitar rig (free version) with a preset named "wide drums". There I have full control, but I will check out MB imager.
@@charlesbrown8737 I'm right there with ya! As much as I am for the stereo experience, some live venue scenarios might be mono-ish, so it's not a bad idea to cover your ass. Either way, I whole heartedly support rule breaking! However, the "sub bass in mono" rule is not *only* aimed at maintaining mono compatibility. It is also intended to help you hold down your stereo frame. It's easy to want everything to be huge and wide, but once you give everything max width, there is nothing telling the listener where the center is (if everything is wide, nothing is wide). This is not to say your bass needs to be dead center, but that is common practice (for good reason). It's just something to keep in mind when mixing. You can always use other elements to hold down the center like vox and/or snare if you want your bass to be especially wide (like how the clap is centered in Underdog).
Yo, thinking about trying out the event horizon soft clipper. Mainly looking to get those heavily distorted kick sounds. How does it sound? similar to the fruity loops soft clipper?
dude go for it! I use it on all my drum groups. there's a free evaluation copy which you can use without too much trouble, only issue is you need to remember to re-engage it every time you open a project, otherwise whatever track its on will get delayed. I've been using the free one forever, but this could be a reminder to buy it soon lol. It could definitely be a staple in your chain for distorting kicks/808s etc, but it's not going to change the character as much as, say, a Decapitator or a Trash. There are also plenty of stock plugins you can mess with for that kind of heavy distortion like Overdrive, Erosion, etc.
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Thank you guys for all the love during the stream and for being an inspiration to my future art!
I hope this long form discussion wasn't too much for y'all- I'll add some timestamps to make it easier to skip around.
I'd really appreciate some suggestions of specific topics you'd like to hear about so that I can find some direction for more focused and digestible videos to work on next!
Ohhhh that delay trick for the record stop also fire!!
Cool trick using the HAAS effect on one snare!
lots of thought out effort, i like it
Appreciate you dude, glad to hear it!
The way you use the haas effect on the snares is how I prosess my kicks(!) making them wide. But you have to be careful and make sure they collapse nicely in mono. Im using a short stereo delay from NI guitar rig and parallel processing. How would you process your kick to get them wide and still sound good mono?
Chuck! Checking out the archive I see ;) Well, great question. Right off the bat, I'll say that I'm more careful now than I was then with the haas' effect on mono compatibility. So I'll rarely throw on the delay trick and call it a day. I'm more likely to fine tune the stereo width with something like the multiband izotope imager. On top of that, I try to use wideners that aim to maintain mono compatibility. For example, "Wider" from Infected Mushroom/Polyverse.
I'm curious about what kind of effect you're getting on those kicks! I generally stick to the "bass in mono" rule of thumb for super low stuff. Maybe 80hz and lower, but depends on the scenario. That's where a multiband imager comes in- allowing you to keep the weight in mono and push out the click and some mids farther out to the sides. In case you don't already use something like this, a great place to start is this tut on making your own MB imager for free (I'll link it in another comment).
Aside from that, you could get more experimental and do some parallel processing to your kicks (or 808s or other drums) to create more interesting stuff for the side bands, and leave the dry(er) signal in mono to keep the weight there. For example, create two chains on your kick channel, one in mono and one widened out to your liking. On the wide chain, you could distort, tape delay, compress, reverb, or whatever other experiments you want to run. Then EQ out most of the sub of the side band, and mix the mono signal in to your liking. This way you make sure theres some meat holding it down in the center. Same goes for the snare, where I sometimes use a more interesting sample for the wide info and keep a meaty one in the center.
th-cam.com/video/w40r8I2ZyOY/w-d-xo.html
I still use this as my MB imager but have been thinking about buying the full one just for a smoother UI experience. If you go for this, keep in mind that you're going to want to adjust those threshold frequencies on each band to learn where you want the cutoffs for each sound you're using it for.
@@AlmostHomeSounds
I dont like that rule at all :D Who listen to music on mono devices in 2021? I know my stuff will get played on stereo devices and I am therefor aiming at making that experience as good as possible, without being too bad in mono. I mean when Dr Dre does it, I think it is okay for me to do it ;)
I have Wider, but I dont use it on kicks, because of the lack of control. I use the native instrument guitar rig (free version) with a preset named "wide drums". There I have full control, but I will check out MB imager.
If you listen to "Nate Dogg - underdog" you will hear the effect pretty clear. You can find it on YT.
@@charlesbrown8737 I'm right there with ya! As much as I am for the stereo experience, some live venue scenarios might be mono-ish, so it's not a bad idea to cover your ass. Either way, I whole heartedly support rule breaking! However, the "sub bass in mono" rule is not *only* aimed at maintaining mono compatibility. It is also intended to help you hold down your stereo frame. It's easy to want everything to be huge and wide, but once you give everything max width, there is nothing telling the listener where the center is (if everything is wide, nothing is wide). This is not to say your bass needs to be dead center, but that is common practice (for good reason). It's just something to keep in mind when mixing. You can always use other elements to hold down the center like vox and/or snare if you want your bass to be especially wide (like how the clap is centered in Underdog).
Yo, thinking about trying out the event horizon soft clipper. Mainly looking to get those heavily distorted kick sounds. How does it sound? similar to the fruity loops soft clipper?
dude go for it! I use it on all my drum groups. there's a free evaluation copy which you can use without too much trouble, only issue is you need to remember to re-engage it every time you open a project, otherwise whatever track its on will get delayed. I've been using the free one forever, but this could be a reminder to buy it soon lol. It could definitely be a staple in your chain for distorting kicks/808s etc, but it's not going to change the character as much as, say, a Decapitator or a Trash. There are also plenty of stock plugins you can mess with for that kind of heavy distortion like Overdrive, Erosion, etc.