Yeah I haven't really seen him before, very well spoken and intelligent, On the surface I like the dude. I'll have to check out some of his other content.
@@70Slinger he can be very detail oriented and doesn‘t do politics…I find him highly entertaining and you learn something every time, even if I tend to forget almost all the numbers about half a minute later …lol
@@70Slinger The Pasta King! He's an italian teacher from Sicily, studied in Japan for years. Exceptionally well versed about medieval Japan, mediterranean history, everything Roman: culture, emperors, society, weapons, armor, tactics, latin and of course italian food, contemporary and ancient culinary options. A true Scholar.
What a “cast” on this collaboration! Too bad I hate podcasts and can’t stomach listening to people just chat. It’s like the online version of a talk show. Not saying it’s bad, I just don’t understand the appeal of listening to a conversation that I can’t join in on. 😕
That's the actual problem there. I don't mind history movies having nothing to do with actual history; I mean who ever expects accuracy needs to go to the dictionary and look up the word "FICTION". But it should be in the purpose of telling a more compelling, fun, entertaining and awesome STORY. Yeah nobody in their RIGHT MIND believes Moses actually split the fkken Red Sea, but that scene in the movie is AMAZING; I can only imagine how it was received at the time. If you however alter the history to give us a LESS entertaining version... WHY???? Oh yeah, to virtue signal, race bait and MODERNISE.
That is the case with many historical films actually. The figures they depict more often than not have a much more interesting story than they show us. Yet they choose some Hollywood tropes and archetypes, and they ruin the fun and the historical accuracy. When you actually go and read history, you soon realize that vast majority of fantasy writers, even good ones, pale in comparison. Also, there are several continents, much bigger than Europe, that we don't have any big films/series about. Where are my Inca/Maya/Aztec epics? Where is subsaharan Africa? Why are there no films and series about North America pre-colonization? You think it is boring?! Don't even get me started on Asia - they had empires and battles in antiquity that would make Europe pale in comparison. We are recycling a few old topics, and we are screwing them up with tropes instead of telling them as they were and making them even more entertaining. And Metatron often cites historical figures and sources to show how that can be done. He did one when that 'documentary' about Cleopatra was made. He made a whole video about a strong warrior queen from Africa, just south of Egypt and from those times (and who, unlike Cleopatra, WAS black), who's story is basically a House of Cards meets Game of Thrones type of story of war and political intrigue. But, did they choose her? Nope, let's have black Cleopatra instead.
I agree, history is filled with such rich story, couldve had a movie where i forget the names of these individuals but that guy who crossed the mountains with elephants and just decimated the romans for years on end but eventually was defeated due to lack of resupply and being cut off from his allies, that would be a pretty cool movie, and yes i know hollywood would take some liberties to make it movie like but still, way better than race swapping for sure
@@themanwithnoname1839 Hannibal. There is supposedly an upcoming Netflix movie with Denzel playing him, now he's a great actor and all but he's twice Hannibal's age and black.... Carthaginians were Phoenician (prob the most accurate modern approximation would be someone from Beirut as historically they haven't moved or mixed much in the last few millennia)
He and shad have collaborated before, they're good mates. Metatron is one of the only history youtubers who has stuck by shad. Gained alot of respect for him when I learned that.
That's not correct. He has a team he consults. But you normaly never see them in his video, expect for one where he debunked the nonsense of another youtuber who said trash about him and his channel.
@boraonline7036 That is a correct statement. But also I suppose I meant he really didn't collaborate with any other creators. Also I don't think he had a team until he moved to the US and his channel blew up and afforded him employees. Regardless, I say we're both correct and am glad to see him able to contribute to these discussions with other channels I appreciate. 😎
I love the juxtaposition between a calm and reasonable Metatron and the general unhinged lunacy of Shad. I like them both but when there's inaccuracies Metatron is so calm is how he explains it and Shad looks like Charlie from Always Sunny about to talk about Pepe Silvia.
😂 the only thing that pissed me off about that shad dude is how much he thinks he is good at "art" when using ai bs to make crap stuff. Probably just because his brother jazza is a Real artist with good skills while he just sucks. He should just stick to what he understand, cause art aint it.
They are made to do just that. Destroy every facet of European culture. They desire Europeans extinct and so they attack everything related to Europeans. Who is "they"? Its the small hats, the group that controls all of our banks, media, and entertainment. They look white but they hate white people more than most can possibly understand.
i didn't expect Metatron would ever appear on FNT, but when it comes to bashing Gladiator 2, it makes total sense to get him on the show :D no disrespect to Shad of course, but Metatron is probably the biggest ancient Rome expert on YT right now, at least from all the history youtubers i've watched
I never understood why Hollywood ever feels the need to alter or change history to make it "more exciting" & "inclusive". When the Roman Empire has 1,500 years of History with wild & outrageously insane stories that would make you believe it was ficition. Caracalla was a man's man. In the "modern" term, I guess you could call him a "Toxic" man. He was a military guy & was built like a brick house. If the people laughed or jirred at him, he responded with brutality. In the movie, he's a little bitch. In real life, Caracalla & Geta hated eachother so much that they built walls around the Imperial palace to separate themselves. Caracalla then murdered Geta in front of their own mother who had tried to reconcile them. Caracalla was murdered by a disgruntled soldier while he was taking a piss on the side of a road. Macrinus had possibly paid the soldier to do it. He was Emperor for 1 year, but never stepped 1 foot in Rome. He never had time to & he died somewhere between modern Turkey & Bulgaria. Numidia being "free" until the beginning of the movie is hilariously bad. Numidia was partially conquered in 106BC, then fully in 46BC by Julius Caesar. Recreated again in 30BC by Octavian, but then dissolved permanently in 25BC. If they wanted to do a "Roman conquest" of some part of Africa, they could've done southern Libya. Emperor Septimius Severus (father of Caracalla & Geta) conquered the region in 202AD, but lost it in 209. Could've made some fictional reconquest of that region, instead of Numidia 😂.
it's not hollywood with history, it's american media with everything.perhaps it's a mixture of reliance on the audience's lack of knowledge of the source and the belief that their "superior talent" can improve whatever they are working on, this behaviour is present in books,comics and videogame adaptations, historical shows,news and even the dubbing of foreign media. if you watch news segment about niche things you have knowledge about you will notice how often they distort the truth. as for others let me give you a few examples. journey to the centre of the earth(1959) : the movie apparently has a villain as well as a secret main villain adventure of tintin(2011): the pickpocket guy in the comic has now become the secret behind the scenes villain and also a descendant of red reckham. white wilderness(1958): pushed a bunch of towards the edge of a cliff and claimed they got mass suicide tendencies. naruto dub: they said the white eyed brother is the greatest talent of their generation or something during the ninja exams. around 10 or so episodes later it was revealed that itachi had surpassed his level when he was around has his age. one piece dub: claimed arlong was jinbe's right hand man. those 2 despised each other cause they both took completely opposite interpretations of their former captain's ideals. pretty much every video game adaptations. almost every news segment related to scientific discoveries. altering the original to "spice things up" has been the industry standard for decades now. i guess it has been profitable for so long that they thought they could take it as far as they wanted and now more people are starting to notice and criticize them.
I don't have a problem with changing history in stories, as long as they keep things believable in the context of the movie. It's more important to me that the story itself and characters are good
@@alfgui3295yes, because he follows historical sources. So if there's evidence that particular historical figures had different skin, it means he'll tell it like it is. Same way he has debunked on his channel the theory that Egyptians were black or that Cleopatra was black based on historical records, making the woke cry. Metatron pursues historial facts, not feelings.
I have a genuine question. Why would you want "a historical accuracy checkup" on a movie not classified as a "documentary"? I always found that completely irrational; in the sense that movies are declared as fiction, and thus are absolutely not obliged to be historically or in any way accurate. As long as a movie respects it's own inner logic (ie you don't have 1 scene in which swords penetrate armours like they were butter and then the next scene in which swords can't possibly penetrate any armour...); I fail to see what the problem is. even with the cast; I mean if the Chinese decide to make a movie about the Roman Empire and cast a 100% Chinese cast... I mean of course they would; and why not?
@@codinghusky5196 I have a genuine question. Why are you asking me this question if you already seem to have your own answer to the question? lol Second, I never said anything about historical accuracy checkups for movies or documentaries. So why are you not only assuming that is what I meant, without asking for clarification at the very least to et further information. With that said, even a movie classified as "fiction" should still be held to historical accuracy standard. Yes, I think everyone knows there is going to be some "Hollywood" installed into movies to spice things up and make a movie more interesting, like smashing scenes. However, what is super ridiculous is when they go out of their way to change Historical facts that don't need to be changed or are often changed simply for political shock value, like the did in the Anne Boleyn tv show by race swapping Anne Boleyn to Black, when everyone knows she was not only White, but SUPER White with red hair. This is no different than making a Shaka movie and putting in a White actor to play Shaka. Except for the complete hypocritical and double standard meltdown that would occur. They would start destroying their own cities over such a thing. lol Before you say it, yes, in the past this often occurred with White actors and Actresses, but it shouldn't have and two wrongs don't make a right. We aren't trying to start a revenge tour for cinema. Cinema shouldn't take steps backwards out of revenge. What happened...happened and we should always learn and keep moving forward. There are many other reason even fictional movies should be held to a standard, that was just one bi example. It is okay to Hollywood up a movie in places, but historical accuracy should still remain VERY important in places where it need not be changed like a Black Cesar or a White Martin Luther King Jr.. One other quick example might be them adding in a SA scene when there is NO historical proof such a thin occurred. There is of course many small reasons as well, but I would be here for weeks, at least, trying to go through them all. You really need to do some self reflection on this one. No doubt you yourself could come up with situations where historical accuracy is important even in fictional movies. If your instant response to that is no way, then why are we even having this discussion and let us just agree to disagree and move on! We will pretend like you never even asked such a silly question! HAHA
@@codinghusky5196 Also, sure the Chinese can do whatever da faq they want! lol However, in the Western media we are trying to make sure new standards are created to deal with their hypocrisy. Like the idea it is okay to race swap a Black person into a White person, but the opposite would cause Minneapolis to be tore up from the floor up! Same goes for gender swapping a female to male then vice versa, because the versa would be sexist while a female into male would be no big deal. Either make sure both are happening (occurring) or stop both from happening. Make it across the board fair and we the audience or customers are 100% allowed to hold them accountable like we have been and it is finally working. Just be fair or at the very least, consistent! lol Hollywood (the West) has dug their own grave in this subject. They created one standard and the majority of people do not like it, so now they are being held accountable. China though, is not the West. Other countries or "woods" are free to set their own standards
@@vinnyganzano1930And then gave a dumb excuse when someone brought up the terrible history: were you there? Never mind that the Napoleonic Wars are very well documented.
Ridley Scott's talent is vastly overstated. Alien is good, although it's not like he wrote it. Blade Runner is a terrible movie. If that isn't obvious from just watching it, the fact that he's tinkered with it and released, what half a dozen different versions trying to make it work, is a clue. Nothing else Scott has done has been better than mediocre.
HUGE PROPS to getting @METATRON on your live show! I have been a HUGE Fan of his for a few years, his Historical Knowledge and Research is among the TOP of the WORLD, not just TH-cam.
This section of the stream was definitely Metatron's time to shine. I'm so glad he finally got a chance to speak his mind on something he's actually interested in. Because it was so awkward to see him just nod along in silence when everyone else has something to yap about.
Metatron throwing fact-bombs while being at the middle of the whole gang is awesome, like a true Roman General talking to his based troops and Shad as his right hand ⚔️
Oof. Imagine the actual historical figure may have been black but was definitely never a slave... and then you make hi. Black just si you can have the "I was once owned.." line to make us all roll our eyes even more.
My favorite nit picky historical inaccuracy was when Macrinus tells Lucius that he served with his grandfather Marcus Aurelius during his African campaigns and enjoyed reading his famous Meditations. I always thought that the Marcomanni were accustomed to colder climates than North Africa and that the Meditations was more of a daily inspirational journal for Marcus not meant for wide circulation much less publication. Color me shocked!
Also the PYRAMIDS in Lucius back story were depicted ruined in the state they look today, back then they still had most of their white limestone casing
Just as they undermined Anakin’s uniqueness by making everyone powerful in the force from birth, they undermined Commodus as the emperor who fright in the coliseum
@@jgobrohoHe's mates with Shad if I remember right. Maybe Shad suggested to the others to bring him on. A fan in chat was correct though. I forgot exactly what they said, but something like. "Metatron is way to sophisticated to be on this group". Made me lol when Nerdrotic agreed.
Great listening to Metatron. I toured Pompeii years ago with a friend who is an art historian working for the Metropolitan Museum. She said that about Pompeii also, the outside of the buildings would have been painted, and their inside walls would have colorful paintings and floors colorful mosaic designs. One of the rooms we toured still had the remains of a painted wall mural.
To be fair, Gladiator movies are no more historical dramas than James Bond flicks are realistic depictions of Cold War espionage. They're there to entertain, not to educate; Gladiator I was historical nonsense too.
Yeah, I've got a degree in Classics (Republican Rome is my bag) and films like this, books like Song of Achilles, give me stuipidity-induced hives. The first film, I ditched work to see it opening day. By ditched, I mean that friends helped me sneak out of the building through a window so I wouldn't get caught. Gladiator II makes me think I'd rather clean out a kids ball pit with my bare hands.
Really enjoyed Metatron's contribution in this clip. Wasn't aware of him before this, but he really adds an excellent dimension to this particular discussion. I vote to have him on any movie review episode that sits within his era(s) of expertise. Great showing 👍
What’s funny is sometimes what we accept as accurate (like the white marble) is completely wrong, and something we think can’t have been real is actually accurate or at least happened a few times historically.
About colorful statues and temples - AAA movie by well known director is exactly the movie that should have pushed the historic authenticity. Yes, audience would be puzzled for a second expecting white marble, then they'd learn, then a new standard would be set and period pieces would have to paint it to match our knowledge of history. Maybe it would require a 4s pan shot on an obviously fully painted statue to put a dot on the "i" that it's intentional, but it could definitely work. Especially in such a big budget movie that can afford so many sets and top level CGI.
Caracalla’s design was enough to turn me away from this movie….. That, and Pedro Pascal Theoretically, Caracalla could’ve been portrayed almost as a tragic villain, believing that his ruling the empire like a military camp (Sgt Hartman style) is actually good
10:15 I don’t agree that it’s wise to give audiences some measure of what they expect. If a film about Ancient Rome gave us painted statues, historically accurate battles, and characters that were more reflective of their documented nature, that could be a fantastic movie.
So many great stories from actual history waiting to be told. Metatron does it sometimes on his channel while talking about some subject or debunking bs, always fascinating
Putting a trebuchet on a boat in a Roman sea battle is like making a movie about The War of 1812 where the USS Constitution launches a Tomahawk cruise missile at the British flagship.
Or to insert Templar and Teutonic knights with lances, stirrups and great helms, in the same Roman setting. It's even more hylarious, because, if there is a medieval military technology that would have amazed the Romans, and they would have instantly copied it had they seen it used, it would have been the trebuchet. It was completely within their technical possibilities, it was much superior to anything they had for that purpose, but they didn't think about it.
“Macrinus was a Moor by birth, from Caesarea, and the son of most obscure parents, so that he was very appropriately likened to the ass that was led up to the palace by the spirit; in particular, one of his ears had been bored in accordance with the custom followed by most of the Moors. Bur his integrity threw even this drawback into the shade.” “…Luckily for Macrinus, he would rise above his low class birth and receive training as a lawyer.” ~ Roman History, Cassius Dio.
@@SPAMusubiHalau Don't you mean he was a Moop? (For Seinfeld fans). Actually the term Moor in how we use it is derived from Middle Ages and is an extremely fuzzy term. It certainly is misplaced when describing people during the time period in question. That translation you quote isn't a good one. Although the term Dio uses is Maurus, how he is using it refers to a specific geographical and ethnic designation. It is for the indigenous North African peoples who lived west of Carthage, in and around Roman Mauretania. In other words, the Berber peoples of North Africa. So calling Macrinus a Berber is accurate. That is what a proper translation ought to use. In addition, if you know anything about Roman Historians of the period they will alter history according to their ideology or politics. Dio was a senator, so any one, especially an Emperor, who did not respect the senate, Dio would not be kind to them in his writing. He certainly would disparage the person such as their upbringing and familial linage.
They brought in Metatron to fact check! That’s like bringing a cannon to a fist fight.
I love your comment so much, I am half considering getting it printed, plated and hang it on my wall
Yeah I haven't really seen him before, very well spoken and intelligent, On the surface I like the dude. I'll have to check out some of his other content.
Bring a cannolo to a fist fight
@@70Slinger he can be very detail oriented and doesn‘t do politics…I find him highly entertaining and you learn something every time, even if I tend to forget almost all the numbers about half a minute later …lol
@@70Slinger The Pasta King! He's an italian teacher from Sicily, studied in Japan for years. Exceptionally well versed about medieval Japan, mediterranean history, everything Roman: culture, emperors, society, weapons, armor, tactics, latin and of course italian food, contemporary and ancient culinary options. A true Scholar.
"Allow me to be a little pedantic."
--Metatron, as he whips out a scalpel and begins the dissection...
Love it.
That’s James May level of pedantry.
Like squishing a bug with a cruise missile
What a “cast” on this collaboration! Too bad I hate podcasts and can’t stomach listening to people just chat. It’s like the online version of a talk show. Not saying it’s bad, I just don’t understand the appeal of listening to a conversation that I can’t join in on. 😕
Yes he can be pedantic, but he obviously knows it and makes also fun of himself for beeing that way. 😆
“…for one year and then they behead him. That’s a little anticlimactic, I get it.”
I freaking love Metatron.
As Metatron pointed out, the actual historical figures Ridley Scott used would be a much better story than Gladiator: The Force Awakens.
That's the actual problem there. I don't mind history movies having nothing to do with actual history; I mean who ever expects accuracy needs to go to the dictionary and look up the word "FICTION". But it should be in the purpose of telling a more compelling, fun, entertaining and awesome STORY. Yeah nobody in their RIGHT MIND believes Moses actually split the fkken Red Sea, but that scene in the movie is AMAZING; I can only imagine how it was received at the time. If you however alter the history to give us a LESS entertaining version... WHY????
Oh yeah, to virtue signal, race bait and MODERNISE.
That is the case with many historical films actually. The figures they depict more often than not have a much more interesting story than they show us. Yet they choose some Hollywood tropes and archetypes, and they ruin the fun and the historical accuracy. When you actually go and read history, you soon realize that vast majority of fantasy writers, even good ones, pale in comparison. Also, there are several continents, much bigger than Europe, that we don't have any big films/series about.
Where are my Inca/Maya/Aztec epics? Where is subsaharan Africa? Why are there no films and series about North America pre-colonization? You think it is boring?! Don't even get me started on Asia - they had empires and battles in antiquity that would make Europe pale in comparison.
We are recycling a few old topics, and we are screwing them up with tropes instead of telling them as they were and making them even more entertaining.
And Metatron often cites historical figures and sources to show how that can be done. He did one when that 'documentary' about Cleopatra was made. He made a whole video about a strong warrior queen from Africa, just south of Egypt and from those times (and who, unlike Cleopatra, WAS black), who's story is basically a House of Cards meets Game of Thrones type of story of war and political intrigue. But, did they choose her? Nope, let's have black Cleopatra instead.
I agree, history is filled with such rich story, couldve had a movie where i forget the names of these individuals but that guy who crossed the mountains with elephants and just decimated the romans for years on end but eventually was defeated due to lack of resupply and being cut off from his allies, that would be a pretty cool movie, and yes i know hollywood would take some liberties to make it movie like but still, way better than race swapping for sure
precisely. Which is the MAIN REASON 95% of ALL MOVIES MADE TODAY (and TV Shows) are such garbage
@@themanwithnoname1839 Hannibal. There is supposedly an upcoming Netflix movie with Denzel playing him, now he's a great actor and all but he's twice Hannibal's age and black.... Carthaginians were Phoenician (prob the most accurate modern approximation would be someone from Beirut as historically they haven't moved or mixed much in the last few millennia)
Glad to see Meta brought into the fold. He's been fighting the good fight for years solo. Definitely a credit to the discussion.
Metatron has his own channel on TH-cam. He’s an awesome historian.
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He and shad have collaborated before, they're good mates. Metatron is one of the only history youtubers who has stuck by shad. Gained alot of respect for him when I learned that.
That's not correct. He has a team he consults. But you normaly never see them in his video, expect for one where he debunked the nonsense of another youtuber who said trash about him and his channel.
@boraonline7036 That is a correct statement. But also I suppose I meant he really didn't collaborate with any other creators. Also I don't think he had a team until he moved to the US and his channel blew up and afforded him employees. Regardless, I say we're both correct and am glad to see him able to contribute to these discussions with other channels I appreciate. 😎
Invite this guy for every movie with a historical background 👍
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Metatron has his own channel on TH-cam. He’s an awesome historian.
Shad and Metatron were awesome together
Metatron, Nerdrodic, The drinker, Starwars Theory, and Tyrone Magnus in the same room would be an Avengers level team up.
Simp.
@@barfo281 I am simp too. So what?
@@veselinasenov5935 Not only are y'all simps, you are fake conservatives too.
@@barfo281 You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
@@barfo281define that word, bet you cant without googling it
Metatron is a perfect adition
I love the juxtaposition between a calm and reasonable Metatron and the general unhinged lunacy of Shad. I like them both but when there's inaccuracies Metatron is so calm is how he explains it and Shad looks like Charlie from Always Sunny about to talk about Pepe Silvia.
I love them both! I love passionate people like Shad!
😂 the only thing that pissed me off about that shad dude is how much he thinks he is good at "art" when using ai bs to make crap stuff. Probably just because his brother jazza is a Real artist with good skills while he just sucks. He should just stick to what he understand, cause art aint it.
@@JMBBrasil Metatron seemed to appreciate it too. :D He really seemed to love Shad's military analysis. :D
Metatron is everything Shad wishes he was
😂 Same. I think it's so fun. Makes me laugh.
My favorite scene was when Lizzo crossed the Rubicon.
While screaming Heil Momala!!
Especially when she fell in and the splash covered the sun. Truly a beautiful cinematic marvel for the ages.
Well, how else was Caesar’s Army supposed to ford the river without a deployable pontoon bridge?
ah so that's how rivers get diverted, the more you know.
You mean she "sat down".
Wow, you got Metatron! I love that guy!
*We love that guy
It's as if the modern movies are meant to destroy the previously made art.
That's precisely the point.
And History.
@@pilouuuu I don't care what they told you in school... we wuz kangz. Easier to control population of lower.. 'capacity'.
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They are made to do just that. Destroy every facet of European culture. They desire Europeans extinct and so they attack everything related to Europeans. Who is "they"? Its the small hats, the group that controls all of our banks, media, and entertainment. They look white but they hate white people more than most can possibly understand.
You can't spoil a bad movie 😂
oh no, the shit i left in the fridge has mold on it. i cant eat it nooow, the mold spoiled it.
i didn't expect Metatron would ever appear on FNT, but when it comes to bashing Gladiator 2, it makes total sense to get him on the show :D no disrespect to Shad of course, but Metatron is probably the biggest ancient Rome expert on YT right now, at least from all the history youtubers i've watched
Yeah when it comes to Roman History, you’re not likely to know more about Rome then Metatron
Invicta might give him a run for his money but even he gets some stuff wrong.
Metatron or perhaps Majorian. Both are good.
There is also an italian yt channel with a university professor who is even more knowledgeable (to the point of absurdity). EvropaAntiqva is the name
Hippos mauling the gladiators would have been much more memorable
Metatron: That's historically inaccurate..
Shad: That's so schtuuupid!!!!
Oh hell yeah Metatron in the house
Crocodiles and hippopotamus would be far scarier to fight than sharks.
Hippos are scary and incredibly deadly!
Yea, Moo Deng is a killer!
you would know...
agree, 500 death per year for hippos and 1,000 for crocodiles. hippos jaws can brake human bones and are extremely territorial
Hell elephants are even scarier and historically accurate.
Plus, both crocodiles and hippos are surprisingly fast. Would be an interesting fight scene for a movie.
Metatron looks like a nice guy. I liked him on FNT. He went great with the fellowship.
People who seek the truth and REAL history are intelligent people and have a natural calmness.
Metatron, Critical drinker and nerdrotic together??? Needed this
I never understood why Hollywood ever feels the need to alter or change history to make it "more exciting" & "inclusive". When the Roman Empire has 1,500 years of History with wild & outrageously insane stories that would make you believe it was ficition.
Caracalla was a man's man. In the "modern" term, I guess you could call him a "Toxic" man. He was a military guy & was built like a brick house. If the people laughed or jirred at him, he responded with brutality.
In the movie, he's a little bitch.
In real life, Caracalla & Geta hated eachother so much that they built walls around the Imperial palace to separate themselves.
Caracalla then murdered Geta in front of their own mother who had tried to reconcile them.
Caracalla was murdered by a disgruntled soldier while he was taking a piss on the side of a road.
Macrinus had possibly paid the soldier to do it. He was Emperor for 1 year, but never stepped 1 foot in Rome. He never had time to & he died somewhere between modern Turkey & Bulgaria.
Numidia being "free" until the beginning of the movie is hilariously bad. Numidia was partially conquered in 106BC, then fully in 46BC by Julius Caesar. Recreated again in 30BC by Octavian, but then dissolved permanently in 25BC.
If they wanted to do a "Roman conquest" of some part of Africa, they could've done southern Libya. Emperor Septimius Severus (father of Caracalla & Geta) conquered the region in 202AD, but lost it in 209.
Could've made some fictional reconquest of that region, instead of Numidia 😂.
"When the Roman Empire has 1,500 years of History with wild & outrageously insane stories that would make you believe it was ficition."
Exactly!
it's not hollywood with history, it's american media with everything.perhaps it's a mixture of reliance on the audience's lack of knowledge of the source and the belief that their "superior talent" can improve whatever they are working on, this behaviour is present in books,comics and videogame adaptations, historical shows,news and even the dubbing of foreign media. if you watch news segment about niche things you have knowledge about you will notice how often they distort the truth. as for others let me give you a few examples.
journey to the centre of the earth(1959) : the movie apparently has a villain as well as a secret main villain
adventure of tintin(2011): the pickpocket guy in the comic has now become the secret behind the scenes villain and also a descendant of red reckham.
white wilderness(1958): pushed a bunch of towards the edge of a cliff and claimed they got mass suicide tendencies.
naruto dub: they said the white eyed brother is the greatest talent of their generation or something during the ninja exams. around 10 or so episodes later it was revealed that itachi had surpassed his level when he was around has his age.
one piece dub: claimed arlong was jinbe's right hand man. those 2 despised each other cause they both took completely opposite interpretations of their former captain's ideals.
pretty much every video game adaptations.
almost every news segment related to scientific discoveries.
altering the original to "spice things up" has been the industry standard for decades now. i guess it has been profitable for so long that they thought they could take it as far as they wanted and now more people are starting to notice and criticize them.
He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.
George Orwell
I don't have a problem with changing history in stories, as long as they keep things believable in the context of the movie. It's more important to me that the story itself and characters are good
So great to see you guys have Metatron on the show! Me and my son love that guy!
This is the best nerdartic episode ever
Ridley Scott films are to historical accuracy what WWE wrestling is to actual Olympic wrestling.
“Warning the following contains major spoilers for gladiator 2”. Harrison ford. “I don’t care”
Metatron is a cool dude.
His wife is hot too. Good for him
He’s pretty based, too. Would fit in with this group beyond just semi-historical movies.
@@HumanPerson_final the guy who says that Denzel's character could have been black or semitic is based, really?
@@alfgui3295yes, because he follows historical sources. So if there's evidence that particular historical figures had different skin, it means he'll tell it like it is. Same way he has debunked on his channel the theory that Egyptians were black or that Cleopatra was black based on historical records, making the woke cry. Metatron pursues historial facts, not feelings.
@@alfgui3295He was a Berber, so not black probably, but definitely North African.
I almost ALWAYS go to Metatron for my historical accuracy checkup!!! lol
I have a genuine question. Why would you want "a historical accuracy checkup" on a movie not classified as a "documentary"? I always found that completely irrational; in the sense that movies are declared as fiction, and thus are absolutely not obliged to be historically or in any way accurate.
As long as a movie respects it's own inner logic (ie you don't have 1 scene in which swords penetrate armours like they were butter and then the next scene in which swords can't possibly penetrate any armour...); I fail to see what the problem is. even with the cast; I mean if the Chinese decide to make a movie about the Roman Empire and cast a 100% Chinese cast... I mean of course they would; and why not?
@@codinghusky5196 I have a genuine question. Why are you asking me this question if you already seem to have your own answer to the question? lol
Second, I never said anything about historical accuracy checkups for movies or documentaries. So why are you not only assuming that is what I meant, without asking for clarification at the very least to et further information.
With that said, even a movie classified as "fiction" should still be held to historical accuracy standard. Yes, I think everyone knows there is going to be some "Hollywood" installed into movies to spice things up and make a movie more interesting, like smashing scenes. However, what is super ridiculous is when they go out of their way to change Historical facts that don't need to be changed or are often changed simply for political shock value, like the did in the Anne Boleyn tv show by race swapping Anne Boleyn to Black, when everyone knows she was not only White, but SUPER White with red hair. This is no different than making a Shaka movie and putting in a White actor to play Shaka. Except for the complete hypocritical and double standard meltdown that would occur. They would start destroying their own cities over such a thing. lol
Before you say it, yes, in the past this often occurred with White actors and Actresses, but it shouldn't have and two wrongs don't make a right. We aren't trying to start a revenge tour for cinema. Cinema shouldn't take steps backwards out of revenge. What happened...happened and we should always learn and keep moving forward.
There are many other reason even fictional movies should be held to a standard, that was just one bi example.
It is okay to Hollywood up a movie in places, but historical accuracy should still remain VERY important in places where it need not be changed like a Black Cesar or a White Martin Luther King Jr..
One other quick example might be them adding in a SA scene when there is NO historical proof such a thin occurred.
There is of course many small reasons as well, but I would be here for weeks, at least, trying to go through them all.
You really need to do some self reflection on this one. No doubt you yourself could come up with situations where historical accuracy is important even in fictional movies. If your instant response to that is no way, then why are we even having this discussion and let us just agree to disagree and move on! We will pretend like you never even asked such a silly question! HAHA
@@codinghusky5196 Also, sure the Chinese can do whatever da faq they want! lol
However, in the Western media we are trying to make sure new standards are created to deal with their hypocrisy. Like the idea it is okay to race swap a Black person into a White person, but the opposite would cause Minneapolis to be tore up from the floor up! Same goes for gender swapping a female to male then vice versa, because the versa would be sexist while a female into male would be no big deal. Either make sure both are happening (occurring) or stop both from happening. Make it across the board fair and we the audience or customers are 100% allowed to hold them accountable like we have been and it is finally working. Just be fair or at the very least, consistent! lol
Hollywood (the West) has dug their own grave in this subject. They created one standard and the majority of people do not like it, so now they are being held accountable.
China though, is not the West. Other countries or "woods" are free to set their own standards
I would love to see Metatron fact check Ancient Aliens, just to see Giorgio Tsoukalos stutter.
I don‘t know if he‘d survive the bs…
Lately he took a shot at Graham Hancock so not far off from Ancient Aliens.
Even Ridley Scott can't save these movies anymore ...
And the disaster that was Alien Covenant proved that .
I couldn't go to see his Napoleon movie because he played fast and loose with the history there too.
Save ? He's destroying them
@@vinnyganzano1930And then gave a dumb excuse when someone brought up the terrible history: were you there? Never mind that the Napoleonic Wars are very well documented.
Ridley Scott's talent is vastly overstated. Alien is good, although it's not like he wrote it. Blade Runner is a terrible movie. If that isn't obvious from just watching it, the fact that he's tinkered with it and released, what half a dozen different versions trying to make it work, is a clue. Nothing else Scott has done has been better than mediocre.
Nerdrotic, drinker and metatron together is amazing, would never have guessed this last year
HUGE PROPS to getting @METATRON on your live show! I have been a HUGE Fan of his for a few years, his Historical Knowledge and Research is among the TOP of the WORLD, not just TH-cam.
I really enjoyed this episode with Metatron.
It was definitely a When Worlds Collide moment. 🖖🏼
10:28 That commemorative was made with font type Times New Roman.
LMAO
Metatron is a G.
I love that you brought on a history guy for this.
This section of the stream was definitely Metatron's time to shine. I'm so glad he finally got a chance to speak his mind on something he's actually interested in. Because it was so awkward to see him just nod along in silence when everyone else has something to yap about.
Of course Metatron showed up in a doublet. He has far too much class for a singlet to contain.
I love how all my fav youtubers are coming together for this
Now, THAT'S a true Avengers zoom call lol. Welcome to the table Metatron
Gladiator 2 already spoiled itself by existing.
Metatron throwing fact-bombs while being at the middle of the whole gang is awesome, like a true Roman General talking to his based troops and Shad as his right hand ⚔️
Love Nerdrotic, but today mainly here for my man Metatron! Great collab!
Metatron 🇮🇹🇮🇹👍
Oof. Imagine the actual historical figure may have been black but was definitely never a slave... and then you make hi. Black just si you can have the "I was once owned.." line to make us all roll our eyes even more.
This is both an unexpected, but also unsurprising crossover.
Once Metatron enters the chat, you know shit just got real!
My favorite nit picky historical inaccuracy was when Macrinus tells Lucius that he served with his grandfather Marcus Aurelius during his African campaigns and enjoyed reading his famous Meditations. I always thought that the Marcomanni were accustomed to colder climates than North Africa and that the Meditations was more of a daily inspirational journal for Marcus not meant for wide circulation much less publication. Color me shocked!
the statues not being painted is like watching a film about the 21st century with televisions, but they are never on...
Also the PYRAMIDS in Lucius back story were depicted ruined in the state they look today, back then they still had most of their white limestone casing
Actually fun fact there is more time between Rome and Ancient Egypt than between us and Rome today! So that part at least is fair, if not much else
I love the nerd talk. Amazing having Metatron here.
Just as they undermined Anakin’s uniqueness by making everyone powerful in the force from birth, they undermined Commodus as the emperor who fright in the coliseum
Metatron is cool
I only know him from his religious videos. Kinda surprising to see him with nerdrotic lol
@@jgobrohoHe's mates with Shad if I remember right. Maybe Shad suggested to the others to bring him on.
A fan in chat was correct though. I forgot exactly what they said, but something like.
"Metatron is way to sophisticated to be on this group". Made me lol when Nerdrotic agreed.
Well, wasn't expecting a history class watching FNT. Got one and it was amazing.
When I saw drinker and Metatron on the same cast I was so excited! Please invite him to anything related to historical shows and other stuff.
Great listening to Metatron. I toured Pompeii years ago with a friend who is an art historian working for the Metropolitan Museum. She said that about Pompeii also, the outside of the buildings would have been painted, and their inside walls would have colorful paintings and floors colorful mosaic designs. One of the rooms we toured still had the remains of a painted wall mural.
Came for the Megatron, stayed for the heresy.
To be fair, Gladiator movies are no more historical dramas than James Bond flicks are realistic depictions of Cold War espionage. They're there to entertain, not to educate; Gladiator I was historical nonsense too.
As Italian and history buff, Metatron deserves a bronze statue in full color.
All the names in the movie sound like Turkish deserts
Thank you to Nerdrotic for introducing me to disparu and drinker along with their channels. Good stuff.
I watch both even when I'm not that interested in the shows they are reviewing. They are both very entertaining.
Metatron with TheDrinker and Nerdtronic in the same room 😱😱😱
Now we talkin’
Yeah, I've got a degree in Classics (Republican Rome is my bag) and films like this, books like Song of Achilles, give me stuipidity-induced hives.
The first film, I ditched work to see it opening day. By ditched, I mean that friends helped me sneak out of the building through a window so I wouldn't get caught. Gladiator II makes me think I'd rather clean out a kids ball pit with my bare hands.
Really enjoyed Metatron's contribution in this clip. Wasn't aware of him before this, but he really adds an excellent dimension to this particular discussion. I vote to have him on any movie review episode that sits within his era(s) of expertise.
Great showing 👍
How did the critics actually like this movie? I about walked out when they had sharkiators.
Dude, Metatron bringing the first-hand account level historicity. 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
It's fascinating to learn some of the actual history.
Metatron teaming up with Shad, there was no chance the movie was going to go unscathed.
Alright, i am a Fan of Metatron now. 👍
Yay
Nice intervention from our Metatron!! Nice you guys!!
What’s funny is sometimes what we accept as accurate (like the white marble) is completely wrong, and something we think can’t have been real is actually accurate or at least happened a few times historically.
I can’t believe metatron and Nerdrotic have done a crossover. This is something I never expected to see 😂
Love it. You learn so much from Met and Shad.
Trump gets re-elected and Metatron joins the Gary Gang.... Fücking WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
About colorful statues and temples - AAA movie by well known director is exactly the movie that should have pushed the historic authenticity. Yes, audience would be puzzled for a second expecting white marble, then they'd learn, then a new standard would be set and period pieces would have to paint it to match our knowledge of history. Maybe it would require a 4s pan shot on an obviously fully painted statue to put a dot on the "i" that it's intentional, but it could definitely work. Especially in such a big budget movie that can afford so many sets and top level CGI.
Cant wait for Shad to break all this down
Gonna have Metatron saying "kalla kalla" in my head for a while now
'What did it get wrong?' -- Biggest mistake: it was made.
This is a 1st for Metatron,correct??
I've never seen him here. Sweet either way.
So, the historical source material that the movie takes inspiration of is more interesting and cooler than the movie itself...
Hippos In The Collosseum..now thats a great pitch for a movie..
Caracalla’s design was enough to turn me away from this movie….. That, and Pedro Pascal
Theoretically, Caracalla could’ve been portrayed almost as a tragic villain, believing that his ruling the empire like a military camp (Sgt Hartman style) is actually good
I trust Metatron for most Roman and medieval reality checks on youtube.
When several youtubers you happen like, all the sudden start hanging out together... that's a sign we're all subjects of the freaking algorithm
Watching Bella Ramsey do squats on top of Elliot Page would be a better plot!
I want more Metatron and drinker looking at historic movies
What a lineup! Magnificent!
The colloseum was flooded with SWEET water from the Tiber, the sharks are SALT water fishes.
Love Metatron with Nerdrotic !
10:15 I don’t agree that it’s wise to give audiences some measure of what they expect. If a film about Ancient Rome gave us painted statues, historically accurate battles, and characters that were more reflective of their documented nature, that could be a fantastic movie.
So many great stories from actual history waiting to be told. Metatron does it sometimes on his channel while talking about some subject or debunking bs, always fascinating
Putting a trebuchet on a boat in a Roman sea battle is like making a movie about The War of 1812 where the USS Constitution launches a Tomahawk cruise missile at the British flagship.
Or to insert Templar and Teutonic knights with lances, stirrups and great helms, in the same Roman setting.
It's even more hylarious, because, if there is a medieval military technology that would have amazed the Romans, and they would have instantly copied it had they seen it used, it would have been the trebuchet. It was completely within their technical possibilities, it was much superior to anything they had for that purpose, but they didn't think about it.
Macrinus wasn’t from humble origins, he was massively wealthy but not from a senatorial family
Metatron makes mistakes. He isn't an actual historian. However, to his credit he will correct mistakes that he makes.
“Macrinus was a Moor by birth, from Caesarea, and the son of most obscure parents, so that he was very appropriately likened to the ass that was led up to the palace by the spirit; in particular, one of his ears had been bored in accordance with the custom followed by most of the Moors. Bur his integrity threw even this drawback into the shade.” “…Luckily for Macrinus, he would rise above his low class birth and receive training as a lawyer.” ~ Roman History, Cassius Dio.
@@SPAMusubiHalau Don't you mean he was a Moop? (For Seinfeld fans). Actually the term Moor in how we use it is derived from Middle Ages and is an extremely fuzzy term. It certainly is misplaced when describing people during the time period in question. That translation you quote isn't a good one. Although the term Dio uses is Maurus, how he is using it refers to a specific geographical and ethnic designation. It is for the indigenous North African peoples who lived west of Carthage, in and around Roman Mauretania. In other words, the Berber peoples of North Africa. So calling Macrinus a Berber is accurate. That is what a proper translation ought to use.
In addition, if you know anything about Roman Historians of the period they will alter history according to their ideology or politics. Dio was a senator, so any one, especially an Emperor, who did not respect the senate, Dio would not be kind to them in his writing. He certainly would disparage the person such as their upbringing and familial linage.
calling in a 500kg bomb is what a metatron fact check is
Holy spirited shit, Critical Drinker, Shad, and Metatron
YAAAAASSSSS! Metatron! THANK YOU SO MUCH for bringing him in for this!
This is so cool! Love all this people! Wish I could talk to them online like this! ^^
nobody mentions the fact that at the beginning of the film there were catapults and then they were TRANSFORMED into trebuchets in a few seconds
Dayum, I don't know this Metatron chap but he knows his stuff! Awesome
The best historical youtuber on this platform hands down. Super happy to have witnessed this crossover, please do more stuff togheter.
BLOOD ON THE COLOSSEUM FLOOR
...never gonna financially recover from this, anymore
3 of my favorite youtubers together
Just this week I was thinking "Metatron would be awesome on FNT". Tell me how Google is NOT spying on me