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The Big Build Scaffold. How much Money was it?
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The Big Build Has had its scaffold removed and I want to take you through my reasons for using a full scaffold and also how much a typical scaffold like tis would cost in the UK (2021)
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as a homeowner or client, I had a very angry but understandable reaction when a builder told me I'd need to pay a couple grand for scaffolding -- just use tarps?! Looking back, I was embarrassed at my reaction but he knew it was coming and was as calm and understanding as a monk. He took the time to explain that yes it's a lot of money, but that if I didn't get it I could lose a lot more money in extra fees and delays which would total way over the cost of the scaffolding. That's when I understood that I'd be saving a lot more money down the line if I just paid for the scaffolding upfront. 😅
That’s cool of you to admit either way..
Just use tarps lol.. I appreciate not everybody knows as much as I do, being a scaffolders labourer, but just use tarps has to be up there with the stupidest things I've heard haha.
@@stevelowe2647 that's why you're the labourer hah.
@@AJ-ds5gf No it isn't.. I'm a labourer because I enjoy it & I'm learning a trade. It's why I'm more intelligent than you though, because I can see the stupidity in your statement, whereas you had to have it explained to you. 😃 have a nice day. Try not to lick too many lampposts
I do loft conversions. For the first 3 years I used to tarp everything and try and pitch the dormer and get it weathered in 2 day. After many sleepless nights and stress I started using temporary roofs, 4 years on I haven’t looked back. It can sometimes mean you lose a hon because your price is higher than other firms but if your good at your job and have recommendations then they should trust to use you
They didn’t even put a tilt on the roof as per regulations! I would ask to see the engineers drawings for this scaffolding as it what’s required for any temporary roof
A tin hat was the best decision we made. £8k initial outlay but it enabled us to strip everything off and see exactly what needed to be done. Another plus was the trades came to work on my house when it was raining because they couldn’t work on other jobs. Hopefully a few more weeks and it will be removed.
I did my own flat roof loft conversion. I just used tarpaulin to save money. It was a nightmare. Setting alarms at 3am to push water off that had accumulated between the joists. Constantly checking the weather. When it was windy you'd be on edge. The noise of the tarpaulin flapping about. Never again. If you plan on doing your own extension/ conversion, save up and get a tin hat. You won't regret it.
I done my loft conversion with tarps too, in the middle of winter! And it took It was a pain in the arse but if I done it again there's no way I'd pay 3 or 4 times the cost of normal scaffold for a tin hat. It took about 4 months to get it wind and water tight as I was only doing it weekends and evenings 😬 Live life on the edge 😂
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I started mine in September. Was still doing it in February. It was hell. I can look back and laugh now, I didnt at the time when it was pis*ing down, 3am in my pants pushing water off the roof. 😀
@@benrichards1 sounds pretty similar to mine, we started mid October! 😂 that reminds me of my mate, who I done it with, went up to check the tarp in the middle of the night in strong winds, he ended up laying on the tarp in his dressing gown trying to keep it on for about 3 hours haha I was fast asleep 😴
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I had no such luck. I did it by myself. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger I suppose
A cost you didn’t mention specifically is the stop-start chore of closing down the work (tools, etc.). And then restarting - trying to remember what I was doing and what’s left. “Oh shoot, I meant to … .”
Summer rain is usually harder and faster, easier to get caught out.
I think I prefer the industrial look of the scaffold roof.....
Not!
(but it is a must with the British weather! )
looking good!👍👍
good scaffolding is one of those things you just have to pay for now. we've all been up a terrible scaffold, makes the job bloody awful to work on. a tight scaffolding crew that give you what you ask for, when you ask for it, are to be well paid and respected.
Thanks again Robin for sharing so much of your passion and strong building ideas with us and explaining your thoughts and practices. Hope this week will be a perfect one for all of you!
About 10k is the average price in the blackpool area for a covering scaffold over a 3 bed semi, i thought it would've been a little more down there.
It would also be interesting to see a video on how long pricing this job took and how you went about it, it seems it'd take quite some time and there'd be a lot of variables.
Hi Toby, useful to know the price in your neck of the woods!! I am planning to do a video on the pricing and how I cost out a project like this, keep tuned!
If your paying 10k for a temporary roof for a 3 bed semi your being robbed. You wouldn't pay that in London
An extra £8000 ish sounds like a huge amount of money to add for a tin lid but when you work out how many man hours are saved it probable comes to close on that price.
Now add on somewhere dry to store materials, the ability to not worry about tools getting wet and in this case the ground floor of the house can leave furniture inside.
Also, coming from the bricklaying world, a delay in the brickwork, lets say we have a week of rainy days means the whole job is delayed for a week which impacts all the other trades at some point. My price would always be less if there is a tin roof, I know I can get a full week in, in the winter.
Got to be worth it for not missing a single day and keeping everything dry all the time! Can't believe this is coming to an end now, going to miss it!
Thank you for answering my question, which I had asked, almost at the beginning of this build. Appreciate it 👍
I’m in the trades in Canada. It’s all about keeping the process/flow going. One of the hardest things to do on a job site. This guy is 100% correct.
Thanks bro!!
Brilliant work as usual, love watching your videos. Thanks
That looks like a little bit of paradise .
Thank you for covering this. I asked a question about it early on and it's really nice to see a summary here. I think it's priceless on a job like this - you don't need it until you need it and then boy do you need it!
As for the battery, go for the Tesla Powerwall 2 if you can, they are still market leaders and their pack has the highest discharge at any one time as they can give out 5kw continuous.
Looks great Robin,well done to you and your team !!!!
Amazing talks this was the only time I ever listened to anything on TH-cam and sat and watched seriously I spend around. £3,000 more on timber than I wood but the work I do over all would have went up only about £300 So £2700 less on each job it’s so not fair me raising my prices up people don’t understand they just want cheapest
What a beautiful countryside!
Well done Robin, you are an ambassador for all us fellow men , sometimes my thoughts and explanations fall on deaf ears and yours videos could be the key to open the door,
On another note D&M's going ahead this year, just wondering if a certain Mr.clevet is going to have a stand there show casing his wares & wisdom don't about you but I think it could be a perfect opportunity to launch a certain product 😉 🤔🤑😇🤗🥳💙🤞
Biggest scaffold I had was £30k on a pair of 4 bed barn conversions which is an eye watering amount however it made its money back and some I would say. Previous to those barns I was on a job which is another barn but being naive we just had tarps over the stone walls to protect them from water damage as water just washes the old lime mortar out. Safe to say it was an expensive mistake and luckily only a small wall but it ended up having to come down due to water damage, rookie mistake but you have to make mistakes in order to learn unfortunately. Moral of the story, if you live in the uk and the roof is coming off do your absolute best to get a temporary tin roof
I love the idea of building with scaffolds in place. It’s not common in the U.S. to set up this type of scaffold for residential work. Which is kind of a shame. I’ve been in some very dangerous situations working on roofs or framing, and it would have been awesome to have a scaffold system. Currently I use aluminum planks and ladders to work higher as needed. You’ll see brick layers and stucco guys set up scaffold but it’s a smaller system than you guys use and they have to break it down and set back up typically as they move around the building. In commercial sometimes you’ll see guys use mobile lifts that are around 24’ long they can move around or man lifts for framing. I’d like to see more of this scaffold being used.
I was so surprised that scaffold is not used in the USA like we use it here!!! The first time I watched the crazy framer on a roof I was blown away!! Hanging 50 ft up on a roof structure with no perimeter scaffold!! Maybe there is a business opportunity right here!!
This scaffold is known as Tube and Fitting and is very rare in the US, You tend to find it in your neck of the woods in offshore, petro-chemical works as it is extremely versatile, more so than the system scaffolds such as Layer, Cuplock which you can get in the USA.
I understand your concerns as having watched many new builds here on TH-cam of building practices in the states, your general access solutions for building works at the residential level are frankly shocking. Tube and fitting scaffolds are costly to erect, but the level of access safety it gives the trades is more than worth the risk of serious injury or death.
Looks so beautiful - we need an extension on the one gable end & the problem is there's the bedroom window in the middle of the wall & then you'd have to fit the roof & extension in between, but how would that work! Looking at your job I think maybe you'd build the ell out as you have here, fitting it between the existing structure then giving more floor space to the room above (which might be a big +) - would look very harmonious - compared to the alternative... Be interested to see what the designer has come up with.
Brilliant. Thanks for the code, there is currently £40 off, added this code, so now got one for £89.
Looking nice 👌 👍👍
It would be good to see the solar panels go up and how the are fixed to the roof via the fixing channels. Ppl us the battery back up and associated costs. Looking lovely may I add. What cladding is going up ?
Next video Grant!!
Mr Clevett I am a pro carpenter and I just love it when I hear ppl say (even our fellow carpenters who seem to not be to advanced) anyone can do this! I direct them to your videos and don’t hear from them again.
Understanding all aspects of building a house makes me as a cabinet builder/finish carpenter better!
I can help my customer identify a problem and direct them to the right pro!
What a laugh “anyone can do this”?
If that’s was true why is my phone ringing with customers asking for help?? Often to fix their mistakes👊
Thanks for your great comment mate, I totally agree!! Some people think that it's easy and there is nothing to what a professional carpenter or builder can produce!! This is one of my main reasons for doing the channel to try to highlight what really happens and what is involved, I get slated by some people who reckon they could build faster and cheaper etc but that is happening less and less as the channel unfolds!! Have a great day mate!!!
Robin your a master of your trade. As a scaffolder that scaffold isn’t up to British standard. It’s an unsafe structure with the sheeting and corrugated sheets on the roof. There is better options that will be safer for the money
I tried several scaffold firms locally to the project most where too busy to even price the job, the prices I did get where all very similar I chose the guy that could actually book me in and get it done!! It may not be text book standard but it was very sturdy and withstood all the storms we had during the build, I'm sure that you could find better but that's the building trade in general...
British standard isn't that high believe it or not it's only when you work in other countries that you can compare but you and I know everyone thinks all tradesmen are of the same quality probably the same with scaffolders and CHEAPEST QUOTE WINS 🤦♂️🔨
A project doesn't only lose workdays etc to weather - it loses momentum which can often be more expensive.
Is it just me or does it look smaller? Absolute no brainer having a scaff roof on a job like this. Top work as ever Rob 👍
It's 60 percent bigger in volume
@@ukconstruction no sorry since the scaffs come down, I know how much you've added to the property I've been watching since you started on the shed 👍 it's going to be s dream home when it's done ✅
The lofts I did years ago with tarps was bad for my health.
Laying in bed, hearing the wind & rain waiting for “that call” 😂
Love this video Rob because it does explain how much time we lose without a tin lid can’t wait to do the next roof hurry up and Pitch another one soon all the best mate I’m still in Liverpool you take care mate catch up soon 👌👌👍
Well done Andy, people are loving our roofing video part 2 coming soon bro
When you add close to £1M worth of value to a property, the odd £10-20 is insignificant.
Great to see, it's very unusual to see these up north where I live. I bet I have seen less than 5 in the last 10 years.
From watching your guys videos it seems common practice down south where you guys are.
probably because the money is there for it. It's easier to swallow the cost of this scaffolding when it is a smaller percentage of total cost.
I’ve started to see loads around Sheffield these days.
To me it's a necessity on such a big build, 🇬🇧 weather is so unpredictable and frankly bloody miserable, owners of property in that price bracket won't generally take issue with cost, it simply adds to the value or maintains its value, underneath that lovely roof is a plethora or valuable fixtures and fittings, protect it the best you can, and I've seen some damage over my 50 + years, and for the record, Andy has done a cracking job 👏 👍
Thanks Mark a true compliment from an established professional such as you!
It's a really nice house and it will have a good looking roof after you have finished. But you should not cover it in solar panels, there's plenty of land available for a free standing solar array or even put them on top of the outer buildings and run cable/conduit to the house
Hello Robin,
Informative video.
Soon I will need to hire scaffolding company about to start a project.
I am a homeowner doing project by myself in early summer this year.
Best wishes from Leicester, ENGLAND.
Ahmed
I’m doing a self build house refurb & extension up north. I’ve had two quotes for scaffolding like this, one is twice the price of the other!
Was there insurance involved or a guarantee of a scaffolder coming back every time it needed adjusting
@@tomsmith9048 the guy has been spot on so far, first two lifts up & he is going to do the lid when I’m ready, plus I’ve not paid him a penny so far, & he only wants 75% when the job is complete & the last 25% when it comes down.
At that price of $16,000 US Dollars for rental temporary roof, I would consider buying a setup, especially in our wet areas like the North West United States. It would pay for itself over time and it wouldn’t be necessary to shift as much cost to the client. Seems like a win-win to me. Of course, you have the problem of storage and setup but I don’t think it’s a deal breaker. Depreciating asset with favorable tax implications as well.
You made a good job of that 👍
Useful video. Seems like temporary roof is a good way to go. What about a smaller project though, say a bungalow roof about 8x10m where you're putting attic trusses in? Is it possible to get the trusses up and weatherproof the building in a few days or is that unrealistic?
Honestly mate, it makes very little difference being a bungalow or multi storey house, time taken to strip a roof and cut a new one in would be similar, it's taking the risk of being caught with your pants down, it can pay off but but you would feel pretty stupid if your house got smashed with a heavy storm.
We used to put a tin lid on our builds if doing a complete roof off refurb. Luckily SGB had a yard 4 miles from where I lived. Smaller ones we did ourselves they just dropped off what you needed and picked up at the end. Bigger ones they put up. Tube and fit great stuff. Never seen it done in Oz where I am in Qld. It would certainly be useful. We can get 100s of mm of rain in an hour. Instant flash flooding and road closures. We don't get proper scaffold here only the knock and bash modular crap guaranteed to be at any height bar the one you want. Total rubbish. Your scaffold is still dirt cheap. The build I am currently on is 7.2 M to the ridge but only 105 sqM. It would have cost approx $28000 just to put a working scaffold around it no roof. Outside now all done using mostly a tower scaffold. A scissor lift and hanging scaffold for the fascia gutter and roof iron. If you could put a scaffold round that big thing for 3 thousand pounds say 2 thousand for mine. That is only 4 thousand dollars as opposed to 28 thousand. Hence no scaffold. Most domestic house builds here no scaffold. Just too dear.
Maybe I missed it but did he mentioned the cost ?
Looks amazing top job
How does scaffolding pricing work? Do they charge a flat fee £xx for nn weeks? or is it a weekly/daily price?
They look at you and see how much they can get out of you before pricing it Lool
I’ve never understood the mentality of guys not wanting to roof it - as you say no lost time
Thanks Robin very informative as usual.
I have been following the series as someone who is looking to a build in a couple of years.
Everything you said to do with putting the lid on makes sense. Time back, through not having to cover uncover and lost days and or damage.
I have to say it is more expensive than I would have guessed. Twice the price I could see that, 2.5 okay. 3 or 4 seems quite a margin for the scaffolding company
It would be interesting to get an understanding of why the massive difference from around to lid?
Cheers
Well if we have had just a scaffold it was all mainly a single lift with another at the gable positions, if you look at the finished scaffold we have about 4 lifts and the roof structure, scaffolders will factor in how much material they have on your site, how long you need it (hire) and also if they need to buy the sheeting for around the sides etc as this does not get used again, so this is why there is a 75%+ uplift on a normal exposed scaffold
The added cost comes from the 2 or more extra lifts to take the job above the ridge then the fun part of the beam work which involves working along the beams which are 450mm deep and 48.3mm wide it takes time and is graft not to mention handballing the 160 or so tin sheets up to the top it’s Great fun should try it some time
i still make this mistake i will tin lid in the future
It strikes me that the finished product will look (or, more accurately, “looks”) like it’s always been there.
I could honestly see you presenting shows like nick Noles do. You would be good at it 👍
Thats kind Wayne, maybe the TV for me one day!!
Hope Storm Eunice didn't undo all that hard work!
Can shrink wrap it instead of using mono flex and roofing tins
Yes, I like the shrink wrap type, I had so much trouble finding a scaffolder for this job at the time!!! I got what I was given!!
£10-12k - you're welcome.
Why do you call it the big build? How much was the entire project?
Is the scaffolding Alltask? Looks like their colours
You mentioned in the video that you will be putting solar panels on. Obviously this will be seen in a later video. Will the panels be installed on top of the roof tiles or embedded so that the face of the solar panels and the roof tiles are flush? This is something I have seen in new build developments near me and it looks much neater than solar panels on top of tiles as you get with older properties.
Coming soon!!
Master carpenter/ joiner you are mate not many like you in the uk
Nice
You more likely saved the client more money than they were billed for you get more site time more work hours in meaning at the end of the day a quicker build time and being able to get to a new client faster as well by the end of it.
Ouch !
12k is probably less than 8% of the total budget of this job and completely worth the investment
You know your stuff mate!!
Do you actually charge the customer a lower amount of hours/money for having a tin roof or does the builder just benefit from the obvious time savings.
Well we are able to cost the job more accurately because we don't have to worry about downtime etc, we still earn the same rate per hour, or day, but we work on a price basis regardless of how long a job takes
If the temporary roof cost £12,000 then the scaffold firm very likely didn’t have a design drawing. Plus was there any kentalidge/ties?
HSE would have a field day with it. Plus the scaffolders on the roof without harnesses on or a handrail.
I know it may not be all things to all men but I tried several local firms, few quoted!! And this was the only firm that could commit to our time frame, it stood up to all that nature threw at it and I'm sure that it may not have been to the book but this is the building trade in the UK we are reactive not pro active! I was happy with what they did, I personally checked every aspect of the structure and yes you could spend thousands more on every eventually and maybe HSE would find issues but market forces will always dictate, I do see scaffolds like you are talking of mainly on public works or insurance works where a punter is not footing the bill but this is how it is in the domestic market of the UK Construction Industry, I would be happy to debate this whole issue and I do a weekly radio show and would be happy to do this debate on air, give me a call if you fancy it?
Quick question Robin: I need a survey tool to measure the deflection of concrete roof planks to the internal areas in lots of rooms and to 20 or more properties. I need to take spot measures at 250mm from bearing ends and at the mid-span point. So need a laser tool to take quick but accurate measurements to record the deflection stat of the concrete planks. Have you used any survey lasers or scanners that would be accurate but quick to use to record the spot measurements/ offsets and be repeatable in the future. Was thinking of a 360° rotary cross line laser but I don't think the tolerance accuracy will be sufficient. Any suggestions ?
A decent self levelling laser will be great set it up against a wall and use the cross line and a tape to measure the deflection, happy to let you try one of mine
Robin’s suggestion is good but some of the Leica Disto’s can do P2P (point to point) measurements from a tripod which I feel would be better for the brief you gave.
@@ukconstruction Sounds good. I was also told by a consultant engineer there may be a way of using something similar to a theodolite that takes a measurement with the press of a button in each location you want a deflection measurement. Going to have to take hundreds of spot measurements, so a quick method but accurate with little tolerance will be needed. Would you be able to post? I'm based in North East. Do you have an email to correspond privately?
@@TheBigSugs Yeah I have a Leica Disto but not suitable. Cant take dimensions from the floor slab to the soffit as the inaccurate level of the floor may give inaccurate readings of the true actual deflection of the concrete roof planks. The solution has to be some form of self leveling laser/ radar scanner, with minimal +/- tolerance and quick to set up, whilst also being able to be repeatable in the future in order to monitor any progressive deflections.
Set a datum up at 1 metre and lazer it through you'll have to keep moving your lazer but take notes on a pad plus or minis it'll be within 2 millimeters the thickness of a lazer line
A penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure !
Great saying!!
@@ukconstruction + applies to many things in life
Storm Eunice coming.
Thank god my scaffold is gone too!!!
Money Printing from Central Banks impacting Construction Again 2008 is nothing to what is about to happen. Good Luck everyone
Why not demolish and rebuild to new spec and save vat
Because the planning rules mean you may end up with less allowanle floor area than a simple extension, it's all about where the property is etc so in this case it would have been a bad move
I’ve always found scaffolds to be rather moody!
There is no picture just audio
Restart your TH-cam app. It’s a common bug lately.
The high prices is all thanks to brexit!
No tray Dpc under the soldiers?
The Brickwork ended just above the windows so there was no chance of any ingress of water from above like in a two storey building
What about driving rain there is three or four courses of brickwork exposed to the weather there should be a tray Dpc with weep holes.
Man I know you're doing a job right but seems so so so slow man think I'd jump before the end of the job
It's published like months behind!! We have built this job way quicker than even smaller ones we pass on the way!!
I’ve done lofts for about 10 year never needed a tin lid waste of time
We do lots of roof conversions without but this job was far to complex and involved to take a chance
Were there is a will there is away and u can save 10k
Done a few jobs as big as this and got round it with out having to use a tin lid
Do think so just given my view on the subject waste of money in my eyes