Danke Nils. Die Tipps sind wirklich sehr gut erklärt. Ich bin gerade in einem Umbruch wo ich fast überall meine Zeiten verbessere, einfach aufgrund der Erfahrung und Zeit die ich im rig verbracht habe. Im Training für ein 12h rennen habe ich das erste Mal eine 2:18:198 geschafft, aber pouhon war zum Beispiel immer eine der Kurven wo ich teilweise 2-3 zehntel wieder verliere über die Runde. Ich werde direkt Mal testen ob ich die Technik direkt übertragen kann. Machst nen super Job, danke dir.
I think this was very well explained. I'm a beginner and I think I got it (do it is another thing of course). The short shift I have actually used quite much when driving cars with no TC. I did not think this was a 'thing' but rather that I 'cheated' and was actually losing time. Though this is probably true in many cases it IS good to know it is a viable technique that can actually be perfected and not only used because I'm not smooth enough on the throttle.
as a novice i apply the first and last tip because 'it feels better'. I have big problems with stability of the cars and am a complete noob regarding to setups. The only driveable car for me is the Lexus LOL. I don't have the ability to see motec data because I am on PS4 (indeed the weakest link LOL). But this shows that sometimes 'guttfeeling' can be accurate. Nevertheless again a great vid and great content. keep up the good work and the good (sim)racing. Greetz.
great vid. i'm amazed that sim software has the physics and detailed brake/suspension/downforce modelling to be able to replicate real world technique in this subtle way. 👍🏼
Have you ever made a "How to master the BMW M6 GT3" video? I love the BMW, but still missing like 3 seconds on most tracks compared to the aliens out there. Would love to learn more about the BMW, like what should/shouldn't you do and how to make the most out of it
@@SimracingPopometer Haha it IS not car specific. In terms of driving skills i am lacking quite a lot. While people are doing 2.16s at Spa the best I ever got to was a mid 2.18. But see, the thing is I'm interested in hearing the ins and outs about the BMW from someone who drives it always and gets great results with it. But yeah, video idea maybe?
Richtig genial! Danke für diesen Aufwand und deine Leidenschaft :) zur AC beta vor über 7 Jahren habe ich mir als Student ein gebrauchtes G27 „gegönnt“ ..Seit 3 Monaten probiere ich mich an ACC und auch dank deiner anderen Vids baue ich soviel Freude daran auf den Asphalt unter mir an der Grenze zu spüren, dass in 2 Wochen das CSL DD kommt. Man ist ja schließlich kein Student mehr ;)) Wird sicher schwer später mal ein Rig vor meiner Frau geheim zu halten. :‘D Ich freue mich über weiteren Content
there is a third technique you can use at pouhon. use the throttle to balance the rake and induce the oversteer and understeer in a very controlled manner.
that doesn't make a lot of sense imo. the throttle doesn't control rake (of course a little but in the opposite direction and also neglectable in comparison to how much the brake affects it). it affects the differential. but if you do that you reduce turning capacity. it's a workaround when people are uncomfortable into a corner, but it's a driving error costing laptime (= not a technique) if you use throttle before actually accelerating. (leave the Porsche aside for a second)
Looks just like a shibe though! :o I have a question mate? So I was racing on Monza last night, well actually I was just hot lapping but nevertheless, anyway when I brought tyres up to pressures 27.5ish the outsides, left front and rear were starting to go slightly yellow with overheating even though the pressures weren't peaking over the recommended psi's. Have you ever experienced this before, whats more important my temps or pressures, are my temps increasing because I've literally lowered my pressures too much or am I just scrubbing away at my tyres as I'm a noob lol. Tyres don't ever seem to reach outright yellow or red for temps it's just on the verge from going nice n bright green to green/yellow only on the lefts though, rights are fine. Hope doggo is doing well lol :)
monza typically has warm weather and that will impact tyre temps as well. the standard way to address it would be to open the brake ducts a bit (which then also leads to pressure adjustments). I'd aim for an average of 27.8 around the lap more or less. Other than that the tyres are quite temperature tolerant in terms of grip. so nothing to worry i assume! yes, doggo fine :)
Excellent mate great reply i had the ducts slightly more closed than normal so they could hold there temperature better along the straights but I guess its a compromise you either keep your brakes warm and cook your tyres or deal with slightly cold rear brakes coming into the likes of parabollica and the first chicane :(
no, definitely not. the trail braking first and foremost is necessary to get the car to turn in under braking by freeing up grip on the front. roughly: the slower the corner the more unlikely you'll use that technique
Yo Nils, i never learned any techniques except trail braking, i know you don't have a lot of time, but if you would watch one of my latest videos maybe i am aplying the right techniques without knowing it:D? btw gonna look up that "Scandinavian flick technique" 🤔
Hi. I study after watching your video. I'm always thankful. If you don't mind, I want to ride with you where I am. If you give me an answer, I'll let you know. Wiersma is also enjoying it together.
@@SimracingPopometer ah..i have lap time page. Everyone can see it..I just wanted to invite you as a fan. I'm sorry I'm not good at using English. I wanted to see the lap times of famous people in one place. always thank you for your videos!
Great tips! One question about the last one - that would not be perfect for longer runs, since you're basically scrubbing the front tyres, causing understeer right? So you would eat through the tyres quicker this way?
im showing it a bit more extreme here than you would apply it during the race. also its mostly just one or two corners where you really need it and then most cars have more rear tyre wear anyway, especially when setting them up rather loose - so you could even equalize the front and rear wear with this a bit
😅 i ran out of time and the "flick" isnt that important afterall in gt3's. If anything you'd use it in the gt4's because of the inertia and lazy weight transfers.
@@SimracingPopometer I found using a Scandinavian flick at a couple of turns at Paul Ricard is helpful in GT3, especially the final turn onto the start-finish. Have you done a video on driving techniques for GT4s before?
I knew about the short shifting and the throwing techniques, just haven’t mastered yet. Especially in places like Sliverstone that promote that type of driving. The other two I had no clue about and if I’ve seen it in action before I never knew the name of the technique. Appreciate you breaking each of them down to see the differences in when you use it and when you don’t. That’s probably only 4 of like 40 lol
Hi Nils. Great video, thanks. About no. 3 - I get the induced oversteer bit, but from the data I see a lower mid-corner speed (~3820m) but earlier throttle application. Can't see whether the latter makes up for the former though. Is it dependent on the length of straight that follows?
don't take this data as the best data there could be. I've done this video all in a single attempt without any practice. So its not the ideal A vs. B scenario. The idea was to show the technique itself, not the particular gain.
About the "throw the car" techinque, is it about how fast you turn the steering wheel, how much, or both? In other words, is it all about load transfer ?
Excellent explanations, backed up by telemetry. Learning when each technique is applied will be tricky, but hopefully going through the same corners as your examples will help
Wow! I did not believe that I have actually use all of these techniques without realizing all the details. This is great explanation with motec. It clearly shows your point. Now, when do you use "throw the car" vs. "pitch induced oversteer" vs. "induced understeer"? My understanding from your video is that: 1. Throw the car: Good for HIGH SPEED corner where you are TURNING while ACCELERATING. How: Turn faster (not more) with some throttle on. 2. Pitched induced oversteer: Good for HIGH SPEED corner where you are TURNING while SLOWING DOWN. How: Trail braking with counter steering. 3. Induced understeer: good for MEDIUM SPEED corner where you are ACCELERATING. How: Turn more than limit allows. Am I understanding correctly?
just the 3rd part: you are decelerating into turn 2 nurburgring. you use it to scrub a bit excess speed, but enter a bit too quick (all margins are TINY here)
I’ve run Brans hatch a 1000 times and I can’t get any faster than 1:27-1:29. I cannot see making up 5-7sec. It seems impossible. I’m running a dedicated cockpit and direct drive wheel. What am I doing wrong? th-cam.com/video/c0k6GMc2OFA/w-d-xo.html
you're leaving a lot on the table by not using the track width fully for example - both on entry and exit. most of the time both pedals are pressed through a corner - why? you either want to accelerate or decelerate, not both. the car won't rotate with that much throttle applied. but there's plenty more. really do try to compare on popometer.io with any car really as your issue are of general nature, not car specific
@@SimracingPopometer Thank you, it looks hefty, I was surprised to see it is 300mm. I'm using 305mm, which means I am losing at least 1 second per lap. 😂
Which time gap is still good to compete on high level on ACC… Is 1-1.5s slower then the absolute fastest on ACC good enough to still compete ? Because even in Real Life I see grid where there is a gap of 1-1.5s and they can still compete very well, especially in endurance races where consistenly high pace is key….
Hi Coach, thanks for your video I find them so helpful. I am at a bottleneck in sim racing and don't know what to do, this video opened up a lot to me. As for throwing, this is exactly what I am missing in my way of driving and I was trying to avoid things like throwing because it's counterintuitive for me. So is throwing a technique for every car? or just the GT3s
I never had the skills before where much of what you are talking about made any sense. But thanks to coaching (thanks again Suellio and Mark!) it all now makes sense. I'm also now starting a deep dive into Motec, and I know you have wonderful videos for me to learn from. Thanks for your expert tutorials!
Happy to help! we also have our own telemetry platform now with loads of comparison data, which should make it a lot easier to see the errors: popometer.io
1) Short-shifting 00:17
2) Throwing 10:50
3) Pitch-induced oversteer (high-speed trailbraking) 18:27
4) False understeer 26:06
You're welcome ;)
thank you!
Danke Nils. Die Tipps sind wirklich sehr gut erklärt. Ich bin gerade in einem Umbruch wo ich fast überall meine Zeiten verbessere, einfach aufgrund der Erfahrung und Zeit die ich im rig verbracht habe. Im Training für ein 12h rennen habe ich das erste Mal eine 2:18:198 geschafft, aber pouhon war zum Beispiel immer eine der Kurven wo ich teilweise 2-3 zehntel wieder verliere über die Runde. Ich werde direkt Mal testen ob ich die Technik direkt übertragen kann.
Machst nen super Job, danke dir.
I think this was very well explained. I'm a beginner and I think I got it (do it is another thing of course). The short shift I have actually used quite much when driving cars with no TC. I did not think this was a 'thing' but rather that I 'cheated' and was actually losing time. Though this is probably true in many cases it IS good to know it is a viable technique that can actually be perfected and not only used because I'm not smooth enough on the throttle.
as a novice i apply the first and last tip because 'it feels better'. I have big problems with stability of the cars and am a complete noob regarding to setups. The only driveable car for me is the Lexus LOL. I don't have the ability to see motec data because I am on PS4 (indeed the weakest link LOL). But this shows that sometimes 'guttfeeling' can be accurate. Nevertheless again a great vid and great content. keep up the good work and the good (sim)racing. Greetz.
This is the kind of tutorial I don't see enough of. Explaining advanced techniques clearly.
Would be interesting to watch also the techniques for the H-pattern for example for old f1 cars, but It requires another sim
great vid.
i'm amazed that sim software has the physics and detailed brake/suspension/downforce modelling to be able to replicate real world technique in this subtle way.
👍🏼
Thanks for the tips!
Fantastic video. These are a few of the techniques I need to gain that last 1 second of lap time (consistently).
Have you ever made a "How to master the BMW M6 GT3" video? I love the BMW, but still missing like 3 seconds on most tracks compared to the aliens out there. Would love to learn more about the BMW, like what should/shouldn't you do and how to make the most out of it
not yet, but 3s behind sounds probably not car specific?
@@SimracingPopometer Haha it IS not car specific. In terms of driving skills i am lacking quite a lot. While people are doing 2.16s at Spa the best I ever got to was a mid 2.18. But see, the thing is I'm interested in hearing the ins and outs about the BMW from someone who drives it always and gets great results with it. But yeah, video idea maybe?
@@alexbui1385 for sure, just have to wait for the end of the season
@@SimracingPopometer thank you 😅
Richtig genial! Danke für diesen Aufwand und deine Leidenschaft :)
zur AC beta vor über 7 Jahren habe ich mir als Student ein gebrauchtes G27 „gegönnt“
..Seit 3 Monaten probiere ich mich an ACC und auch dank deiner anderen Vids baue ich soviel Freude daran auf den Asphalt unter mir an der Grenze zu spüren, dass in 2 Wochen das CSL DD kommt. Man ist ja schließlich kein Student mehr ;))
Wird sicher schwer später mal ein Rig vor meiner Frau geheim zu halten. :‘D
Ich freue mich über weiteren Content
wenn's einen einmal packt, geht es nur noch um das "wie", nicht mehr das "ob" :))
there is a third technique you can use at pouhon. use the throttle to balance the rake and induce the oversteer and understeer in a very controlled manner.
that doesn't make a lot of sense imo. the throttle doesn't control rake (of course a little but in the opposite direction and also neglectable in comparison to how much the brake affects it). it affects the differential. but if you do that you reduce turning capacity. it's a workaround when people are uncomfortable into a corner, but it's a driving error costing laptime (= not a technique) if you use throttle before actually accelerating. (leave the Porsche aside for a second)
Master class like always. Thanks!!
Brilliant thanks 👍
Subbed for the Shibe but stayed for the Sim racing advice. ;)
it's a podenco mix though :p
Looks just like a shibe though! :o I have a question mate? So I was racing on Monza last night, well actually I was just hot lapping but nevertheless, anyway when I brought tyres up to pressures 27.5ish the outsides, left front and rear were starting to go slightly yellow with overheating even though the pressures weren't peaking over the recommended psi's. Have you ever experienced this before, whats more important my temps or pressures, are my temps increasing because I've literally lowered my pressures too much or am I just scrubbing away at my tyres as I'm a noob lol. Tyres don't ever seem to reach outright yellow or red for temps it's just on the verge from going nice n bright green to green/yellow only on the lefts though, rights are fine. Hope doggo is doing well lol :)
monza typically has warm weather and that will impact tyre temps as well. the standard way to address it would be to open the brake ducts a bit (which then also leads to pressure adjustments). I'd aim for an average of 27.8 around the lap more or less. Other than that the tyres are quite temperature tolerant in terms of grip. so nothing to worry i assume!
yes, doggo fine :)
Excellent mate great reply i had the ducts slightly more closed than normal so they could hold there temperature better along the straights but I guess its a compromise you either keep your brakes warm and cook your tyres or deal with slightly cold rear brakes coming into the likes of parabollica and the first chicane :(
@@aidanmochan306 pretty much, yeah
I thought all corners/cars used Pitch Induced Oversteer to rotate the car? Isn't that the whole point of trail braking? Thanks, good video.
no, definitely not. the trail braking first and foremost is necessary to get the car to turn in under braking by freeing up grip on the front. roughly: the slower the corner the more unlikely you'll use that technique
@@SimracingPopometer Thanks, and funny I always thought the faster the corner the less you used it.
@@jogb9515 clear misunderstanding here. He means you won't use PIO in a slow corner. I believe you're talking about trail braking in your reply lol
Yo Nils, i never learned any techniques except trail braking, i know you don't have a lot of time, but if you would watch one of my latest videos maybe i am aplying the right techniques without knowing it:D? btw gonna look up that "Scandinavian flick technique" 🤔
you are probably fine already or getting there no matter what
Thank you for the video. Is there exist some corners on some tracks where we should apply several (combination) techniques at the same time?
you'll definitely see forced understeer followed by a short shift
I see he’s breaking with throttle on. Can some explain that technique please?
you surely mean the throttle blips on downshift? the game does that automatically. dont use the throttle when you want to slow down :)
am i going crazy or is there a bit of a high pitched sound coming in regular intervals on this video
Hi. I study after watching your video.
I'm always thankful. If you don't mind, I want to ride with you where I am. If you give me an answer, I'll let you know.
Wiersma is also enjoying it together.
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unlikely to work for me mate
@@SimracingPopometer ah..i have lap time page. Everyone can see it..I just wanted to invite you as a fan. I'm sorry I'm not good at using English. I wanted to see the lap times of famous people in one place. always thank you for your videos!
@@finallap_official4054 no worries man! maybe I'll find the time at some point to stop by
@@SimracingPopometer Thank you so much for your reply.
If you come to bsrk and run, it will be a great honor. you are a really cool guy!
4:23 actually let's not ignore the trail breaking attempt ☺️😉🙃
what happend there? Nervous foot? 🤭 anyway, great video;👍
just not warmed up :p
I'm braking more with the leg rather than the foot and it needs a bit more warmup when switching around cars and tracks :D
@@SimracingPopometer Hell, that's the video I need.😅 Every day it feels like I have to relearn some if the finer points of the brake pedal
Great tips! One question about the last one - that would not be perfect for longer runs, since you're basically scrubbing the front tyres, causing understeer right? So you would eat through the tyres quicker this way?
im showing it a bit more extreme here than you would apply it during the race. also its mostly just one or two corners where you really need it and then most cars have more rear tyre wear anyway, especially when setting them up rather loose - so you could even equalize the front and rear wear with this a bit
Thanks nils great to see you helping us novices get better .😀👍
4 instead of 5??? Ok, he knows some secret technic he doesn't want to share! 😆
😅 i ran out of time and the "flick" isnt that important afterall in gt3's. If anything you'd use it in the gt4's because of the inertia and lazy weight transfers.
@@SimracingPopometer I found using a Scandinavian flick at a couple of turns at Paul Ricard is helpful in GT3, especially the final turn onto the start-finish. Have you done a video on driving techniques for GT4s before?
@@MarkWendland not yet, no. they're rarely driven sadly :/
@@MarkWendland LMAO you will literally never do a scandinavian flick in a gt3. That ridiculous.
Nice video
Thank you
I knew about the short shifting and the throwing techniques, just haven’t mastered yet. Especially in places like Sliverstone that promote that type of driving. The other two I had no clue about and if I’ve seen it in action before I never knew the name of the technique. Appreciate you breaking each of them down to see the differences in when you use it and when you don’t. That’s probably only 4 of like 40 lol
Hi Nils. Great video, thanks. About no. 3 - I get the induced oversteer bit, but from the data I see a lower mid-corner speed (~3820m) but earlier throttle application. Can't see whether the latter makes up for the former though. Is it dependent on the length of straight that follows?
don't take this data as the best data there could be. I've done this video all in a single attempt without any practice. So its not the ideal A vs. B scenario. The idea was to show the technique itself, not the particular gain.
Thanks for making this video Nils and chapters look cool.
Incredibly helpful video! Thank You! As soon as I am able to I will do the coaching with you guys!
About the "throw the car" techinque, is it about how fast you turn the steering wheel, how much, or both? In other words, is it all about load transfer ?
mostly about the speed of steering as that will not give the rear end enough time to build the grip and thus it steps out a bit
Excellent explanations, backed up by telemetry. Learning when each technique is applied will be tricky, but hopefully going through the same corners as your examples will help
Wow! I did not believe that I have actually use all of these techniques without realizing all the details. This is great explanation with motec. It clearly shows your point. Now, when do you use "throw the car" vs. "pitch induced oversteer" vs. "induced understeer"? My understanding from your video is that:
1. Throw the car: Good for HIGH SPEED corner where you are TURNING while ACCELERATING. How: Turn faster (not more) with some throttle on.
2. Pitched induced oversteer: Good for HIGH SPEED corner where you are TURNING while SLOWING DOWN. How: Trail braking with counter steering.
3. Induced understeer: good for MEDIUM SPEED corner where you are ACCELERATING. How: Turn more than limit allows.
Am I understanding correctly?
just the 3rd part: you are decelerating into turn 2 nurburgring. you use it to scrub a bit excess speed, but enter a bit too quick (all margins are TINY here)
Could you then go into turn 5 with Gear2 then? Great Pro tips thanks.
this probably also works, but first gear helps rotate the car during the slow down phase
Amazing video…. Lengend
I’ve run Brans hatch a 1000 times and I can’t get any faster than 1:27-1:29. I cannot see making up 5-7sec. It seems impossible. I’m running a dedicated cockpit and direct drive wheel. What am I doing wrong? th-cam.com/video/c0k6GMc2OFA/w-d-xo.html
you're leaving a lot on the table by not using the track width fully for example - both on entry and exit. most of the time both pedals are pressed through a corner - why? you either want to accelerate or decelerate, not both. the car won't rotate with that much throttle applied.
but there's plenty more. really do try to compare on popometer.io with any car really as your issue are of general nature, not car specific
@@SimracingPopometer thanks for your reply and analysis. I’ll try to take your advice and see if I can make up some time
Just dropped a 1000th like, well deserved.
Should have done pitch induced overteer in the porsche haha #rogersteer
i only give useful advice :p
@@SimracingPopometer haha I think you should try it tbf - setups would be provided ;)
yeah i did make a porsche set on PR, too. i know the feeling :D
@@SimracingPopometer hahaha is that on rst :O
@@jordangrant-smith1248 don't think so, was just for a BoP test
Super Video. Sehr wertvoll diese Techniken die man vllt teilweise unterbewusst macht jetzt auch datenseitig zu verstehen! Vielen Dank
Great video, thank you. What actual wheel rim are you using here?
its a "sportline competition" - one of the recommended rims to use with the ascher button box
@@SimracingPopometer Thank you, it looks hefty, I was surprised to see it is 300mm. I'm using 305mm, which means I am losing at least 1 second per lap. 😂
@@notdreadyet33 thats a bus wheel rim if i've seen any :D
Which time gap is still good to compete on high level on ACC…
Is 1-1.5s slower then the absolute fastest on ACC good enough to still compete ? Because even in Real Life I see grid where there is a gap of 1-1.5s and they can still compete very well, especially in endurance races where consistenly high pace is key….
I mean, you'd just be in a lower tier with people of your pace, so you'd be competitive there.
Hi Coach, thanks for your video I find them so helpful. I am at a bottleneck in sim racing and don't know what to do, this video opened up a lot to me. As for throwing, this is exactly what I am missing in my way of driving and I was trying to avoid things like throwing because it's counterintuitive for me. So is throwing a technique for every car? or just the GT3s
the best answer is: depends. the more downforce a car has, the less likely you'll need it. the heavier a car, the more likely
I never had the skills before where much of what you are talking about made any sense. But thanks to coaching (thanks again Suellio and Mark!) it all now makes sense. I'm also now starting a deep dive into Motec, and I know you have wonderful videos for me to learn from. Thanks for your expert tutorials!
Happy to help! we also have our own telemetry platform now with loads of comparison data, which should make it a lot easier to see the errors: popometer.io
What a legend subbed
This is great
Great content!
Should I use the throwing in the Raidillon going to Eau Rouge?
Throwing in that corner means something different. Already a tiny input is enough for a severe change of direction
@@SimracingPopometer ok, thanks
Great Video, really made alot of sense