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As a full time Wynn Casino Floor Supervisor (since 2006) that sits box regularly, I can say the info on this channel is correct.
Dice setting is like bowling. You can have the perfect back swing, throw, spin, hit it right in the pocket and still leave a solid seven pin still standing.
@@mikegee8875 - Happens to me all the time, and I'm a lefty.
@@skinovtheperineum1208 I'm a left too. I find I can hit the numbers I'm setting for with my left, when I want the 7 I change to my right and let it bounce and I often get the 7.
@@Liminalplace1 - Do me this one small favor then...if you DO find that the dice can be influenced to the point where the result conflicts with the math, keep that info to yourself, and spread the gospel that such things are nonsense. Remember when the Blackjack card counters had the keys to the vault and the casinos were clueless? Well, I do. Now look.
@@skinovtheperineum1208 oh they can be influenced... its just A LOT harder to learn than the math behind card counting. Plus even when you get good at it, like the bowling guy said sometimes that damn 7 pin stays standin
A quick thing about dice setting, the number you see on top of the dice plus the number on the bottom will always equal 7. So if a die is showing a 5 you know that on the bottom is a 2. Helps you find your number faster when setting.
This is so helpful. I'm a setter i like 6 up and 3 facing me. and Somehow instinctively know how to find it quick to help the game move, but I've never had this correlation. Thank you
I once attended a craps tutorial/demo in the Excalibur and at the part where the dealer was explaining dice handling, he put the dice into both hands and closed them up while saying, "if you do this, the box man will go ballistic on you."
I’ve never had a problem setting the dice in Co. but then again I don’t take forever doing it either. Practice rollers drive me crazy!
Last weekend, at the table I was at, a newer player grabbed the dice and brought them back past the rail a little, and the box man yelled "CALL THE POLICE!!!". Was pretty damn funny.
I came up short of the far wall once, said “sorry” to the stick man. He smiled at me and said “no worries as long as you try”
This is one of the most awesome collaborations I've seen on TH-cam. 2 of my favorite channels.
I am going to be in Vegas in May, I might stop by and say Hi, maybe roll a little on the tables while I am there. Thank you for the informative videos and "insiders view"
I went to AC this past weekend and we had a high shooter who was asked to keep it lower. The dealer said it's because they don't want to take their eyes away from the table and the bets to focus on dice that're in the air.
In Arkansas oaklawn casino I was told that they have personally seen people chip teeth on dice and that's what originally set the rule but people always called bs so they say other things
My top two rolls where picking them up and chunking them low. I've made great money on a couple of excellent dice setters!
Be a generous tipper with the dealers !!! On good wins throw them a little something. If I'm having a good roll, I'll match my pass line bet with a dealer bet and even add odds. Now the dealers are in the game. All of a sudden, dice setting and that back wall aren't as big of a deal. Now they want you to win. I've even had several stick men flip the dice to whatever set I'm using when they push me the dice, not because I set slow, but as a courtesy. Money talks.
Lol, I will say, we had a guy years ago who set the dice VERY slowly with a showboat routine, but he rolled for 3 hrs 8 mins! He was in his zone no doubt and management let it go, he won $5,200 that night with $5 on fire bet hitting 7-out on the 6th fire point! A $100,000 potential once in a lifetime roll lol
Love the channel. I'm learning alot.
A casino in Reno, nv, the Nugget only allow you 5 seconds to throw the dice. If you tip them they are more lenient with that time.
The eye level rule is for game protection. If the dealer looks up, they can't see the money on the game any more and it's easier to do something illegal at that point. You don't always have a full crew.
Don't always have a full crew? lol I was at the Seneca Allegany Casino once and it was early morning, empty, and one half of the Craps table was closed, a dealer only at the one end with 2 customers. It looked funny and I'd never seen it before or since.
@@skinovtheperineum1208 our casino has a half-table insert we can use to cut the length in half and also allow 1 dealer to run the whole game.
Like the video and information just laughed when you said casino like to keep the game fair. I guess fair from they point of view.
My whole thing with dice setting and sharp shooting / advantage shooting is - rooted in being an athlete (d1 rassling & jits) - is kind of like golfing / teeing off or hitting the perfect double leg. Since throwing the dice via a dice set is an athletic-type motion, that if you were able to control your motion in a replicate-able, practice toss, you COULD in THEORY control the dice. It will take hella practice, just like driving off tee to shoot straight shot - the slightest error in grip can slice / hook (golf) // off-axis spin... you can in theory hit the gators at right enough to pass the rule and to AVOID throwing the sev.
I know its like super unlikely you'll hit holes in 1, but it doesn't stop you from practicing at the driving range AND its the only place that athletics plays a factor in the casino. Which I like.
Good luck!
I know this is picky but I would not call that athletics but rather having repeatable mechanics. I refuse to call them, 250 pound old men smoking their Camel cigarettes and staring at the cocktail waitresses like a creep, athletes.
another great, informative segment.
Thank you David and Jeremy. So sticking the bottom of the wall is not considered hitting the back wall? I try to get my dice to land, or roll up to, and touch the lower rubber strip not the pyramids. So I will get called out for that? Thanks, Scott
I passed the dice from one hand to another once and I thought security was going to walk me out.
😂😂😂.
keep em below 20,000 feet sir
Very Interesting, Thanks. I have switched tables so many times cause a guy would false roll and false roll waiting for a certain number to come up before he would throw. So aggravating. On my best roll ever, they stopped and switched the dice on me. Apparently that's not fair. The bastards ;) Didn't matter, I still had my best night ever!
And after all those false rolls I bet they blasted them bones cross table. I do false rolls when I get the dice at the beginning. Meaning from the five I have to choose from. Never again afterward. I do it to see how bouncy the table is and to make sure all hands are up. You know that last minute better. Also during my turn I make sure to be the last one to make a bet. Again just to be sure that all hands are up. As far as setting the dice goes(timing) I’m quick to do. Just saying I cannot stand hands in the play zone. I’ve even barked “Dice Out” just to get hands up.
Great series
I played in Blackhawk Colorado a lot and I set the dice every time. I had never heard of not being able to set the dice in Colorado. I also won a good amount many times from those casinos. They never said anything to me.
This is a great tutorial!
Great info but... The biggest question so needs to be asked, what about the leaner on the wall? That seems to vary by dealer and if it's a seven?
I am a lefty and once when I was new to craps, I tried to experiment with rolling a different way and one of the die flipped up into the air and hit a guy square in the face. He didn’t get hurt but he was plainly shocked for a good long moment… like WTH just happened??? I apologized profusely and offered to buy him a drink of course.
For the rest my time at that table when it would come back to me the staff would call out “new shooter… cover your face” or “coming out…, protect your eyes!”, etc. It lightened up the mood a lot and
Thankfully I brought a ton of luck to the table with some great long runs so people didn’t hate me.
That's good stuff. I have a dislike for the folks that have their hands all over the table, usually the field, all late when the dice are out. I like throwing the dice at their faces when their hands are in the way.
I love these ... for the content
Best craps channel ever....Be their soon...
We also had a crew of professional dice sliders cleaned our casino for $18,000…70 rolls where both dice didn’t hit the wall, one slid, I wasn’t working that night lol
Very interesting and helpful 👍.
Setting dice...make a practice rig (half sheet of plywood,felt,and for $49 ordered 4ft of alligator rubber from Vegas gambling supply store.... so every day for 5 years,practice, practice, practice...
Setting in under 3 seconds,controlled throw,same arc,same landing location...press and regress system...have not worked a real job for 20 years now...just throwing dice.for a living..Always long rolls but still PSO on some nites...
You are full of crap. You can't play craps for a living
I saw a dealer call a roll when a die landed on the house chips. It was a 7 and they called it a roll. This was at horseshoe in Shreveport
Great information.
Dice setters are the most annoying people to play with by far and I hate when the dealers don't call them out on it. First of all, 99% of dice setting doesn't work. All it does is slow the game down. Even worse is when someone spends a full minute rubbing the table and setting the dice and then just hucks them at the far wall without even trying to do a controlled spin. Like, at that point you're just as random as everyone else but you wasted all our time.
Funniest thing is when they set them, then pick them up and shake them before tossing...WTF?....I set but am very fast at it as I set for the point.
Ad a new craps player I noticed a settor taking forever and made a comment to the guy next to me about how it seems silly because I will see a 60 second ritual pre throw and then watch a 7 out. When the dice got to him he proceeded to be the worst settor I've ever seen and took longer than anyone. He didn't speak to me the rest of the game it wad pretty awkward😂
In Cherokee a few box dealers are so fast people ca my even make bets. I always set dice wipe my hand then throw
I was at Horseshoe in Tunica, MS today and there were two guys who bought in, at the $15 table, for $2,000 each and in less than an hour, colored up for $25,000 and $27,000. I was talking to a floor guy, and he said, "Yeah. Those guys come in every week and do that. The most they've colored up was for around $50,000 each." I said, "I'm surprised they haven't been banned. He said, "As long as they aren't doing anything illegal or harassing my staff, they're fine. Plus, I make 10 times that on people who THINK they can do what those guys are doing, so they start betting big but, have no idea how to set the dice."
Is the Shooter or any other player able to request All dice be changed? Great Job Guys ?
can you bring a set of electronic scales and weight the dice to determine which two you want to throw
The casino already weighs the all the dice before they get to your hands
I have seen a dealer slap the dice in mid air and interfere with the roll. A 7 come up and everyone at the table was pissed. I left the table and so did a lot of other players. Paris casino 2007.
Thanks
I'm curious what the dealers perspective is on folks maybe intentionally, but not entirely obviously, throwing the dice at a player across the table? I tend to aim for the faces of people with their hands in the field when the dice are out and in my hand.
I’m not a dice setter. But I can tell you dice setting does not delay pace of play nearly as much as craps dealers that let betters take forever making their bets between rolls. The player that spends a lifetime putting three $1 bets on the table. Need to see a menu to make bets between rolls. So annoying.
Best line I've heard when you didn't hit the back wall,'(table full of men)....'What are you...a lady..pull up your skirt and hit the back wall''
Casinos aren't worried about dice controllers because MOST people are terrible at it. And even people who are the best at it will still eventually roll a 7.
I would love to meet that T-Rex guy he sounds totally awesome
Can u answer why there are 5-6 dice to choose from? Is there better/ worse dice?
Nope just for choices and have to replace the dice less
I was on a hot streak in Reno a long while back. I was setting the dice and hitting the numbers. Stickman got the hint from boxman I couldn't set anymore. I left after I crapped out after not being able to set the dice. Walked away with a few hundred. A few years later, I did the same thing in Vegas but Vegas never said anything about setting the dice. Happy dealers cause my group tipped them well. Maybe that was the difference because I had just started playing craps in Reno.
They cared at the Freemont when I hit 7 points in one roll and called me a cheater.
Crapped out? It’s called Sevened Out.
Crapped out is when you roll a 2,3, or 12 on the Come Out Roll.
@@mrvapor4791 So casino workers just started acusing you of cheating mid roll? How did that play out? Details
@@brizzlex1919 The dealer just looked at his pit boss and said the word.. "cheater". But they already were hip to me at that point. They usually just switched my dealer out with a cooler or Asian bitch or some other asshole.
What does that mean.. well not making any hard ways bets for one thing because they will "forget" to pay them to try and piss you off.
@@mrvapor4791 🤣 that's messed up its hard to imagine them doing that and being serious
9 sec in harrington, Delaware, till thy know ya, n depending on shift!!
I am only 5' 10" and have average length arms. I've only been to one casino that anyone said anything to me about it but, I was at SL1 and when I would throw the dice, righthanded, the stick woman would yell, "Don't Cross my body!" How can you stand at that position and not come near the stick man?
I had the same thing happen, my response was colour up then, and walked away!
I think I have a pretty flashy roll. I shake them head level level, then give them a very smooth toss, one dice shoots straight forward, and the other die elegantly arcs over it, with both landing flat, next to one another, right under the spikes.
Are there anything about people wearing latex gloves while shooting now?
Once I had latex finger covers on and I was not allowed to shoot unless I used my opposite hand.
The stacked dice rule doesn't quite make sense to me, his logic is if you were to pull the bottom one out the top one could roll to something else. Why isn't that the case if it lands on a stack of chips or the button? Seems a little inconsistent.
Quick tip that I found works is I bring my own dice
I would love a craps shot clock lol
One case you didn't cover. I've seen the stickman tap the dice in the air during a throw. It was more than once and they allowed the rolls. This was at the Sands back in the 90s
I have hit the Dice in the air to make it a no roll when I saw "shenanigans" by the shooter. The Dunes was a special place and Dealers there were given LOTS of liberties that you don't see today. I am sure Horseshoe dealers were in the same category back in the days of Teddy. Today, any intervention by the Stick would be considered a "no roll". - David
@@CasinoQuest - FYI, played a quarter game at Linq a couple of weeks ago, and a woman was on a serious heater, working on her sixth or seventh point. The stick (completely inadvertently) hit the shooter's roll and -- naturally -- it sevened out. Roll was called good. Now I'm the world's least superstitious craps player, so I believe that roll, like every roll, was random. But man oh man was most of the table pissed. So it's certainly not consistent.
Stick man hit my dice in the air at the MGM. I was so mad and I crapped out! That was in the late 90's.
I know you have to hit the back wall, but can the dice land on the table first then bounce on the back wall or hit the back wall first then the end of the table?
they can land on the table first
@@piranf thanks
Either or
Table then wall...
I have been told a couple times that they must hit the table first when the guy next to me was basically pitching them to the back wall first
i find it funny how some casinos claim they are not worried about dice influencers, yet they set up the most obstacles in order to randomize your roll and/or dictate how you throw the dice lol!
Every time I see the $25 min tables I'm definitely gonna play $30 pass/$25 don't from now on to make it $5 game for me.
At our casino we have a rule for no clicking the dice or rubbing them on the layout
For me if I roll backwards, it's because I saw a 7 on the front of the dice when they send them to me. I'm looking to get a 7. I feel it gets the 7 out of the dice.
But it does nothing to the dice in reality. As long as we are aware of that.....
@@brizzlex1919 Yup! 100% aware 😅
at time mark 21:05 you say something about being illegal. I could not make out what you said. Can someone tell me what was said.
When you make a contract bet like the PassLine Bet, you cannot remove that bet once the puck in ON.
Some casinos actually won't let you be a shooter if you have the same amount on the pass and don't pass.
Any tips for dark side players on this topic?
Yeah when you walk up to the table ask who’s hot from another player. Yes is all by chance. But I watch for the blaster guy’s to bet dark side. They are more likely to pso than other’s
Watch you're money after the roll, I've had chips come up missing... Know where you're chips are placed and watch them, if they come up missing the house won't replace rhem... Also you need to know how much you won, just because they slap a couple chips down doesn't mean that's correct, be aware of what you won...
At Mohegan Sun (Connecticut) I once saw a pit boss get on a player for blowing on the dice, claiming that the player was spitting on the dice. This was nonsense, the guy was a jerk, but it really turned into a scene when other players came to the shooter’s defense. Only in the northeast.
At Mohegan last year i went to toss the dice and the dealer on the end next to me stuck her arm out and interfered with my throw, one die dropped straight down the other one dribbled in front of the pit boss it was a 7 i protested claiming the dealer interfered obviously everyone saw it, i then said both dice never hit the back wall they said when the dice leave your hand it is on....... I scooped up my chips and left they care less,
Thats is crazy always a skirmish at Mohegan Sun craps tables,, one time i was playing at the end of the table went into my motion to throw the dice and the dealer who was to my right reached out for some reason our arms collided one die fell straight down and the other came to rest near the boxman 7 out !!! I protested and said the dealer hit my arm they shrugged and said the die advanced far enough to count WTF ??? What happened to the dice had to hit the back wall ???
Great segment and series. Semi-unrelated question: I was just in Vegas and it was very strict everywhere... why are you guys not wearing masks?
Because they have 2 brain cells to rub together and are in a huge open room with just the 2 of them.
In Jackpot, they let you adjusted 1 die 1 roll, stupid. Can you just request that the dealer give it to you on a set you want? Like ask them to give it to you on Hard 8?
As a shooter/ player can we ask for new dice, meaning different color dice? Even if the whole table is asking for new dice, can we get them?
If they say u can no longer be shooter for whatever reason, can u pull down your pass line bet?
You can't remove a Pass line bet after the point is established.
No that is a contract bet
What?? At 22minutes, he says your the shooter and you go to the bathroom?? You can't take your bet with you. WTF,,I always thought if your shooting you have to 7 out to leave.
Can you roll one die at a time?
No, both dice have to be thrown at the same time
If you can't do your set in less than eight seconds, then you shouldn't be setting.
"The opposite sides add to seven." I was maybe second or third grade when we learned this in school.
i’d like to hear from a dice setter. thx.
Hello I set my dice. So now you’ve heard from a dice setter. 😜 if you’re wanting to learn, it’s nothing more than practice. Let’s say you don’t have a table to practice on. No problem. Go to Michael or hobby lobby and get you a piece of foam called egg crate. Cut it to fit inside a 3-4 inch tall cardboard box. Box should be about the size of a shoe box. Line the long inside with the foam. That gives you the random chance witch we really don’t care about at this time. Set box on kitchen table and hopefully up against the wall. Toss from other end of table into the box. It’s practice at this point. Try to toss the dice to die quickly inside the box and keeping in mind the box bottom is the target. When done a few hundred times were the dice just bounce hit foam and die, your ready to try it again at the casino. Softness is key with little to no rotation of the dice in the air when tossed. Trust me you’re going to know when the dice leave your hand if it’s going to be good or not.
@@robertlukacs1762 and adding to what Robert has advised, it is also very important to focus on one spot on the table (landing spot) and also keep your fingers straight to the wall, as soon as you spread your fingers, you create a random throw where the dice will not go straight into the wall and back out. As Robert has said, practice, practice, practice!
I've been setting for 20 years, and I have practice both setting and random. What I believe happens is you build so much faith and confidence in your setting, that you truly believe you
can hit what ever your going after. It takes time and after time you will see what works.
@@robertlukacs1762 You don't know if it's good any better than a random shooter. You wasted hours of time practicing something you can't do.
@@brizzlex1919 you’re right there is no guarantees. But it builds confidence and control. And if that’s what it takes to get you to play then where is the harm. Knocking chips around with the dice, as fun as that can be, slows down the game and pisses players off.
Colorado: 8 seconds to roll? Who is keeping time?
Wendover, NV absolutely will not let you set. They used to not that long ago. Try it now and see what happens, sheesh. As an aside, you guys are the Mega Powers of dice. You guys figure out who will be Hulk Hogan and The Macho Man.
I absolutely hate the practice rolls with a passion. I don’t mind once but the players who do it over and over.
Tonight one player did it 10 times and I was wishing the box man would have said something.
Is a come bet a contract bet?
And if you pulled your don't would they let you shoot with only a come?
Yes a come bet is a contract bet. And yes you can pick up the don't but only after the first roll.
@@jimeronimo You would never want to pick up your don't aince you are at the advantage after the come out roll
I used to go to the casino locally seven days a week after learned how to set the dice and would leave with $50 before I went to work on second shift and would leave when I made $100 on the weekends. I would bring $600 to win $50 and then leave for work and bring $1,000 to win $100 and leave the casino on the weekends. I would win 30 days a month doing this and setting the dice. One day a high roller was on the table that I was setting the dice on and I rolled six points. I rolled for 56 minutes on a packed table. The very next time I came to the same casino and tried to set my dice and with the same high roller at this crap table I was then told that I couldn't set my dice.
Muscle Memory is what makes professional athletes and others. Someone working an assembly line develops muscle memory over time with repetition. Look at David on these videos dealing chips. I cannot even get my M&M's out of the bag without dropping them and this guy is throwing cheques around like an Olympian. Someone who sets the dice to mitigate the potential random is (in my opinion) wasting their time. Sure for short bursts you may win (or lose) but long term the game evens up to a nice 50/50. Well 55/45 with the house edge!
Some people hate that the Casino has an advantage and want to take it away to fair up the game. Well it's gambling, hence you lay more to win less. If the casino was "Fair" it would be closed as it wouldn't make any more or at the very least break even. I'm sure in the past there was shady stuff going on. Gambling was a con job, but with legal regulations to protect both sides these "Mafia" places are long gone.
It does not even up the game to 50/50
If you can alter the odds of a 7 appearing from 1 in 6 to just 1 in 7 then you suddenly topple the whole house edge
I played craps with a blind shooter, they gave the guy a break.
They just want you to pick the dice up fast as possible and 7 out! Lol My roll my money ! I set my dice I hit the back wall & I win money ! If you winning they will try to find a way to piss you off one way or the other! They will hold the dice to long when you're hot but when you're losing you can't even get your bets placed before they're shoving the dice back in your face lol! If you're not hitting the back wall and you're losing they won't say Jack !If a dealer is acting this way he don't get no Tips from me period! I'll take my money elsewhere! 90 percent of them are A..holes
"from the casino's point of view they just want the game to be fair"...... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH no.
I'm sorry but no, you can't have anyone that's not playing shoot the dice for you, at least not in the State of Nevada!
Let me guess there are players who have won 100s of thousands in the comments from shooting dice and pit bosses , supervisors etc 🤣🤣🤣 ALWAYS going to be a nobody that has to be somebody
Dice setting is stupid, it doesn't do anything but slow the game down. Just throw the effing dice!!!!